This is so cool! http://www.mtnlaurel.com/ This site was sent in to my RecipesBetweenFriends group by MaBear quite some time ago and I just got around to looking at it. Now please NOTE this is a recipe site but if you look at the top, there is a place to click on "Genealogy". It is a board for people searching in the Blue Ridge. It has board postings back to 1983 before e-mail 1996 and on has email addresses. Again, please NOTE THAT IT IS A RECIPE SITE, so do not get upset when you see it and write me and say, "Conniesue, what does this have to do with genealogy?" <smile>. Conniesue --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 6/16/03

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>From Leanne on my Gen-Tips List: You can receive a 7day free trial without a credit card at ancestry.com if > you download their family tree program. It doesn't let you know that you > have a free trial until download the program, though. Here is the link > http://aft.ancestry.com/. > Leanne tried this and it is true. However, like she states, they only ask you if you want the free trial AFTER you do the download. I did not try it because I already have the family tree program. Conniesue --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/03

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RgB.2ACE/226.1.1.1 Message Board Post: In 1850 Census the Widow of Aden Wimpy had married R.C. Miles and the children living with them are; Miles, R.C. 29, Nancy 37, John 13, Sarah 10, Eli McGuire 24 living in Monroe Co.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RgB.2ACE/227.1.1 Message Board Post: Mary Sue; Thanks so much for your help. With the luck I've had it probably was a misprint. So could you please tell me how to obtain a copy of that marriage record. I will be forever grateful to you. Smith is such a common surname to begin with it is hard to find anything if you don't know much to start with. Do you know of any other records I might look for in Monroe County regarding this couple? I'd like to find more because I'm doing this search for my children to know my family. When in fact, I am learning more about them myself than I knew when I was a child. God Bless You! Sonya Todd

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> Anyone have access to the book "DEARMOND Families of Am" by Roscoe > Carlyle DeArmond? > I am researching the Harvey, John & Robert DEARMOND families that were > in 1840-50 Polk Co, TN with some going on to 1860-70 Benton Co, AR. > Most specifically interested in the Wm DEARMOND b 1830 who m Charity > YOUNG within the yr preceding the 1850 cen of Polk Co, TN. > Would like to know if any of these families are covered by this book. > Thanks for any leads. > Best, Hal McCawley in CA > >

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: WIMPY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RgB.2ACE/226.1.1 Message Board Post: DOES THE 1850 CENSUS SHOW THESE 3 KIDS AND THEIR NAMES? THANKS SO MUCH, ANN

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RgB.2ACE/226.1 Message Board Post: In the Monroe Co. Marriage Records; WIMPY, Adin G. to Nancy Davis , Lic. 9/12/1838. bk. 1, page 27 In 1840 Census Nancy is listed as head of household with 3 children, one son under age 5 and 2 daughters under age 5. Then in the Marriage Records; WIMPY, Nancy to Robert C. Miles 3/13/1842, bk. 1, page 197

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RgB.2ACE/227.1 Message Board Post: In the Monore Co. Marriage Records; there is a Martha Gibson to Henry Hipps 3/15/1918 Book R, page 29 That is the only one listed. This might be a misprint.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RgB.2ACE/227 Message Board Post: looking for help in finding a marriage record for a Henry Smith & Martha Gibson . would have been after 1915 but before 1920. these were my grandparents on my dad's side of the family. They lived in Polk County TN but didn't marry there. They did have 2 sons there however. My father was Donald Lawrence Smith and his brother was Samuel Smith. possibility they may have even divorced in Monroe County.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: WIMPY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RgB.2ACE/226 Message Board Post: IN 1830 IN MONROE CO CENSUS I FOUND ADEN WIMPY. I WAS TRYING TO TIE HIM TO MY ADEN WIMPY IN POLK CO. WHO DIED CA 1840 AND IS BURRIED AT OLD OCOEE BAPTIST CEMETERY ON FOUR MILE CREEK NEAR BENTON, TN. BELIEVE HIS FIRST WIFE WAS ELIZABETH AND SECOND WIFE WAS MORNING LOWE (SHE DIED 1859). THANKS FOR ANY HELP YOU CAN GIVE ME, ANN

Wait til you hear this one. Someplaces the census takers got paid by the person or family. So I have one county in I think its 1880 where lots of the families are listed more than once. So the cenus taker changed some names and scrambled kids ages so they weren't recognised as the same families but when you are researching them and get to no the families pretty well you can see it. Delores Riley

Hi Ray and List, Here's my tale of dates and places... I have one ancestor who was born in KY, OK and TN. I have a BRADY couple who didn't age at all between 1860 and 1870 but their kids aged perfectly 10 years in the same time frame. I have ancestors whose gender is wrong. My grandma's grandma is listed as a male. I have one ancestor who is listed as a mulatto in 1850 and magically was white by 1860. As far as race...I don't care what their race as long as I find them. So far my family looks like a rainbow. As far as I knew growing up, we were "white". I'm a Heinz 57! Back to records, just dig as much as you can and take it all in context. Mistakes can and often are made. Some were by choice to say one thing or another. Who knows? It's still fun trying to find out about them! Lynn, originally from East TN > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Ezell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:49 AM > Subject: [TNMONROE-L] general question to the list > > > > After pouring over various census year pages for a number of my ancestors > over the past several weeks. I have noticed....and I am sure that you have > too in your own situations....that many of my ancestors didnt seem to know > which state they were born in or how old they were from year to year.... > > >

After pouring over various census year pages for a number of my ancestors over the past several weeks. I have noticed....and I am sure that you have too in your own situations....that many of my ancestors didnt seem to know which state they were born in or how old they were from year to year. Many times the same ancestor would switch back and forth between Tennessee, North Carolina, Virginia, and Kentucky as his/her listed birthplace. Most of the time, they listed these different birthplaces when they were well young enough to remember where they had been born, for example, one ancestor in the 1860 census (when he was in his mid twenties) listed his birth in NC, then in the 1870 census listed his birthplace in TN, then in the 1900 census as North Carolina, etc. etc. At first I attributed this to failing memory in old age...but in many cases they couldnt make up their minds when they were obviously young enough to know bettor (or at least should have known better). Rember that this was generally in the early to mid 1800s when state borders were set as they are now and had not changed during the previous 30+ years or more. Also, I am increasingly mistified at how my ancestors didn't apparently know how old they were from year to year. I realize that when the census taker came 'round they probably just estimated as best they could how old they were, but as each census came around (every 10 years) it is not uncommon for some of my kin to age at a rate of 15 years....or even 7 or 8 years at a time??? Surely someone told them that the census was only taken every 10 years and not 12 years then 8 years then 15 years...? Again, this seems to happen when the kinfolk should have been young enough and of sufficiently clear mind to at least give consistent answers to the census man.....? ...do you folks run into these situations...or am I the odd man out.....any thoughts...? Ray Ezell, M.A., RPA Senior Archaeologist Michael Baker Jr., Inc. 5088 West Washington Street Second Floor Charleston, West Virginia 25313 304/769-2112 [email protected]

Ray, I believe we all run into these "discrepancies" within all of our family lines. You mentioned this in your post, but it is important to keep in mind that some states boundaries changed with time.... for example: part of North Carolina was once part of Virginia, part of Tennessee was once part of North Carolina, and so forth..... So, if an ancestor was at first considered being born in, let's say, Virginia, and then boundaries changed to where they were then considered being born in a portion of what is now North Carolina. This could be one cause for the differences. Even after the boundaries changed, they and their descendents might still consider themselves being from the original state. Then 10 years later, change their mind. Also, remember many times census takers would be unable to find the family home when needing to take the census information. Instead of riding his horse back to their home at a later time, he would either ask neighbors or they would "guess-timate" ages, spelling of names, number of children, places of birth, etc.... Many families were simply illiterate. They simply did not keep track of their accurate ages or places of birth. Many times, family members had no idea where their mother and father were born and would simply make something up or say something like "Well, let's see, I think Pa said he was born in Virginia, but I ain't real shore." Ok, Virginia it is, according to the census taker! There are many, many reasons why there are so many discrepancies. Makes our work fun, doesn't it? Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Ezell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:49 AM Subject: [TNMONROE-L] general question to the list > After pouring over various census year pages for a number of my ancestors over the past several weeks. I have noticed....and I am sure that you have too in your own situations....that many of my ancestors didnt seem to know which state they were born in or how old they were from year to year. > > Many times the same ancestor would switch back and forth between Tennessee, North Carolina, Virginia, and Kentucky as his/her listed birthplace. Most of the time, they listed these different birthplaces when they were well young enough to remember where they had been born, for example, one ancestor in the 1860 census (when he was in his mid twenties) listed his birth in NC, then in the 1870 census listed his birthplace in TN, then in the 1900 census as North Carolina, etc. etc. At first I attributed this to failing memory in old age...but in many cases they couldnt make up their minds when they were obviously young enough to know bettor (or at least should have known better). Rember that this was generally in the early to mid 1800s when state borders were set as they are now and had not changed during the previous 30+ years or more. > > Also, I am increasingly mistified at how my ancestors didn't apparently know how old they were from year to year. I realize that when the census taker came 'round they probably just estimated as best they could how old they were, but as each census came around (every 10 years) it is not uncommon for some of my kin to age at a rate of 15 years....or even 7 or 8 years at a time??? Surely someone told them that the census was only taken every 10 years and not 12 years then 8 years then 15 years...? Again, this seems to happen when the kinfolk should have been young enough and of sufficiently clear mind to at least give consistent answers to the census man.....? > > ...do you folks run into these situations...or am I the odd man out.....any thoughts...? > > > > Ray Ezell, M.A., RPA > Senior Archaeologist > Michael Baker Jr., Inc. > 5088 West Washington Street > Second Floor > Charleston, West Virginia 25313 > 304/769-2112 > [email protected] > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

> Many families were simply illiterate. They simply did not keep track of > their accurate ages or places of birth. Many times, family members had no > idea where their mother and father were born and would simply make something > up or say something like "Well, let's see, I think Pa said he was born in > Virginia, but I ain't real shore." Ok, Virginia it is, according to the > census taker! I have an ancestor who was pretty close with his age and place of birth except one year. He was born in North Carolina and his wife in Tennessee. In 1860, I think his oldest child, a daughter of 11 answered the questions because every child had the right age and place of birth...the parents ages were ludicrous and I think she answered the their place of birth with something like, "Pa's people were from Virginia" and "Ma's people were from Georgia"...she answered the question as if she were talking about her grandparents. Then their are the relatives of a friend I am doing gen. for. One of her great great uncles had a lot of children and I'm sure the neighbors must have given the information. All the kids names were in mixed up order from their real order but the unusual names were all there...the ages were completely screwy...and this was in 1910. All the toddlers were also the wrong sex. EdrieAnne

Ray- My thought on this is that possibly the individual themselves did not answer the census taker's questions. Maybe a family member or neighbor answered? I can honestly say this-I am 50 years of age, and I have only once personally answered a census taker's queries, for the 1980 census. I was living with my parents for the 1960 census, on my own as a teen in 1970, answered the long form personally in 1980, and don't know what happened to 1990 and 2000. Maybe similar things happened to your ancestors? I have not been able to locate my gg-grandparents AT ALL in the 1880 census-he (Pinkney Burton Gentry) was born in Monroe County in 1842, but was in Nebraska by the early 1870s, where he married Elizabeth Scott in 1873. They had at least 4 children by 1880, and were in NE in 1881 (when their son Clyde, my g-grandfather, was born in Thayer County) but I cannot find them in ANY census, in ANY state. Anyway, those are my thoughts! Meg Gentry Bookout Ray Ezell wrote: > After pouring over various census year pages for a number of my ancestors over the past several weeks. I have noticed....and I am sure that you have too in your own situations....that many of my ancestors didnt seem to know which state they were born in or how old they were from year to year. > > Many times the same ancestor would switch back and forth between Tennessee, North Carolina, Virginia, and Kentucky as his/her listed birthplace. Most of the time, they listed these different birthplaces when they were well young enough to remember where they had been born, for example, one ancestor in the 1860 census (when he was in his mid twenties) listed his birth in NC, then in the 1870 census listed his birthplace in TN, then in the 1900 census as North Carolina, etc. etc. At first I attributed this to failing memory in old age...but in many cases they couldnt make up their minds when they were obviously young enough to know bettor (or at least should have known better). Rember that this was generally in the early to mid 1800s when state borders were set as they are now and had not changed during the previous 30+ years or more. > > Also, I am increasingly mistified at how my ancestors didn't apparently know how old they were from year to year. I realize that when the census taker came 'round they probably just estimated as best they could how old they were, but as each census came around (every 10 years) it is not uncommon for some of my kin to age at a rate of 15 years....or even 7 or 8 years at a time??? Surely someone told them that the census was only taken every 10 years and not 12 years then 8 years then 15 years...? Again, this seems to happen when the kinfolk should have been young enough and of sufficiently clear mind to at least give consistent answers to the census man.....? > > ...do you folks run into these situations...or am I the odd man out.....any thoughts...? > > > > Ray Ezell, M.A., RPA > Senior Archaeologist > Michael Baker Jr., Inc. > 5088 West Washington Street > Second Floor > Charleston, West Virginia 25313 > 304/769-2112 > [email protected] > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >