Hey, John. I've been lurking in the background to see what you and Johnita finally decided about the Brown/Brewer issue. I'm the one who transcribed the 1850 McNairy County, TN census that's online. I can understand how the two names could be confused, especially with that particular census taker. You could certainly tell from reading the microfilm when he was getting tired. I don't remember being in a quandary about this family, but I am willing to take another look at the microfilm I have as soon as I get the chance. I should be able to get to it by this weekend. I will post my "interpretation" (heheheheh) as soon as possible. Frankly, if Johnita Malone thinks there's a possibility that it's Brewer, and not Brown, that is enough for me to take another look. Sonya Sipes Tilley ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Brewer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [TNMCNAIR] Jackson > K. Dell > > Thank you for your input. You didn't butt in, the list is for everyone to put their > genealogical data out and see what others have to say. If Johnita or myself didn't > want everyone to see it, we would communicate to our private address. Later census, > starting in 1900 take that into account by listing the relationship to the head of > household. So many times records are not available or legible and all we can do is > examine what facts we have and work from them. Your statement supports my position > that you cannot go by what has been transcribed as solid fact. Anyone not knowing > the family would not have known that Tennessee Barnett and Tennessee Hughes were in > fact the same person. Find it in a transcribed document then look at the orginal > document or microfilm. Transcribed censeses are useful to speed the location of the > data in the actual film. > > In a transcribed census, 1910 Stepehns County, Oklahoma I pointed out mistakes to a > transcriber that were in my immediate family. My father and uncles who I had lived > with for many years, names were not correct as well as the ages. I showed her in the > census film where it was correct, and was informed that she didn't interput it that > way. I blew my stack and told her to read, not interput. > > That is why I like to look at the orginal documents. Any mistake is mine not someone > who dosen't know the family I am working on. I would like to come to Tennessee and > see the actual marriage records or at least the microfilm. In the case of family > 1250 in the 1850 census, the entry appears to be Brown. After close examination and > comparisons of other examples of his handwriting, reverse imiaging and some other > known facts, I decided that this could be William Brewer. What are the chances of > having two Lucy's married to a William, and two Nancy's as the daughter of a > William and both Lucy's come from N.C. and both Nancy' are the same age, 3 YOA. As > well as living in the same civil district. Those are mighty big "odds". > > I'll bet I have wore out a hundred shovels digging roots. > > John Wayne Brewer > Killeen, Bell County, Texas > > k dell wrote: > > > Sorry to butt in but, your surmises of the surname may not be correct. I have > > Tennessee Hughes b. 1867, dau. of William C. Hughes and Susan Barnett (nee > > Davis). Both were widowed during the war. Many documents give her name as > > Tennessee Barnett. I don't know why this happened, but it did. > > > > The younger siblings always used Hughes. Tennessee looked like WC too. > > > > As to parentage, in the cases of children born out of wedlock, what I have mostly > > seen during that era (at least in Hardn Co.) is a simple incorporation into the > > g-parents family and reporting that family's surname whether living with the > > mother's or with the father's family. Who the other parent was is just a matter > > of family story & speculation. > > > > k > > > > "Johnita P. Malone" wrote: > > > > > Yes, I think so. She was his daughter Penelope and often young married > > > couples lived for a time with either his or her parents. > > > > > > What's even more interesting that it appears that Penelope is the long > > > lost mother of Chestina E. Jackson for whom I've been looking and could > > > not find. Had I not been trying to help you I would never have found her > > > ever. I just can't figure why she was Chestina Jackson and Chestina > > > Barnes. I think for sure, though, that this is my girl, age 1, in 1870, > > > and 11 in 1880. Now who in the world could her father be? I have to > > > think it wasn't M. B. Barnes, otherwise, she would have used the surname > > > Barnes. > > > > > > Johnita > > > > > > John Brewer wrote: > > > > > > > > Johnita, > > > > > > > > The census for 1860 shows; > > > > > > > > dwelling 1417 family 1431 Wm. Jackson > > > > 1432 M.B. Barnes 19 > > > > Penelope Barns 17 > > > > John W. 3/12 > > > > > > > > I assume M.B. Barnes married Penelope and and lived with Wm. Jackson. The > > > > census does not have anything for the dwelling for M.B. Barnes. > > > > > > > > John Wayne. > > > > > > > > "Johnita P. Malone" wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's interesting to note that William Jackson's census records for 1850 > > > > > and 1860 are as follows: > > > > > > > > > > 1850 Census > > > > > McNairy Co., TN. > > > > > District 8, household 1279 > > > > > William Jackson/29/M/W/TN/farmer > > > > > Nancy/28/F/W/TN > > > > > John/10/M/W/TN > > > > > Sarah/8/F/W/TN > > > > > Penelope/6/F/W/TN > > > > > Mary/4/F/W/TN > > > > > Martha/2/F/W/TN > > > > > > > > > > 1860 Census > > > > > McNairy Co., TN. > > > > > District 8, household 1417 > > > > > William Jackson/42/M/W/TN/farmer > > > > > Nancy/39/F/W/TN > > > > > John H./20/M/W/TN/farm labor > > > > > Sarah E./18/F/W/TN > > > > > Mary E./14/F/W/TN > > > > > Martha A./12/F/W/TN > > > > > James P./10/M/W/TN > > > > > William A./6/M/W/TN > > > > > Celia J./4/F/W/TN > > > > > M. B. Barns/19/M/W/TN/day labor/married this year > > > > > Penelipe/17/F/W/TN/married this year > > > > > John W./3 mos/M/W/TN > > > > > (Penelope Jackson then married a Barns.) > > > > > > > > > > The Brewers did live close by in 1860 at household 1420. The Plunks > > > > > lived a little further away at household 1372. > > > > > > > > > > Johnita > > > > > > > > > > John Brewer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Barbara & Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > The McNairy County 1860 census list; > > > > > > > > > > > > William Jackson 42 TN > > > > > > Nancy 39 TN > > > > > > John B. 20 TN > > > > > > Sarah E. 18 TN > > > > > > Mary E. 14 TN > > > > > > Martha A. 12 TN > > > > > > James P. 10 TN > > > > > > William 6 TN > > > > > > Celia J. 4 TN > > > > > > > > > > > > Could Celia J. be our Sleeta Jane Jackson, wife of Oliver Perry > > > > > > Sewell? My 1870 CD is bad and I should have another in about a week and > > > > > > maybe I can find her there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep Diggin' > > > > > > > > > > > > John Wayne >