Sonya, Hey, come on out and join the fun! I'm not down on anyone who works in the trenches. It is a hard job and all you get is an Attagirl or Attaboy. No one can blame you or any other transcriber because if I didn't know the family I would have put down Brown. That is the reason I say anyone who wants to be sure they must search the documents. I look at a transcribed census and locate who I am looking for and record all the census information like page, line, district and so on. When I "roll the film" I go to that location and look at everyone in the district. I found my great grandfather in Montague County, Texas in 1900 by using this technique. I was looking for someone else. Two cousins and myself work on this family and none of us had any ideal he had been there in that timeframe. I have a four volume set of Parker County, Texas cemetery books and will be happy to do lookups for anyone. I can't blame the census take for his writing. What he had to work from considering that many people in 1850 could barely write their names. They didn't have the media exposure we have today. I was raised on a cotton farm in the edge of the Texas Panhandle in the late 1930's and 1940's. We didn't get the REA there until 1953. I went in the Army in 1953 and I didn't know how to make a telephone call. I wasn't stupid, we just didn't have a telephone. I have a telephone book from that time and when the phone numbers start with "!" and go to "98" you say , Wow. I know the people in 1850 didn't do the things that we take for granted. I'm sure there were a lot of areas in McNairy County that didn't have electricity in 1953. The census taker had to pull the information out of the people. I'm sure the 1850 population were lucky to know the year, more less the month and day. Business owners didn't give calendars back them. What do you have on the Jackson's/Plunk's/Sewell's and Brewer's? I would like everyone on this site get fired up and put volumes of information out. Are we having fun yet? John Wayne Sonya Tilley wrote: > Hey, John. I've been lurking in the background to see what you and Johnita > finally decided about the Brown/Brewer issue. I'm the one who transcribed > the 1850 McNairy County, TN census that's online. I can understand how the > two names could be confused, especially with that particular census taker. > You could certainly tell from reading the microfilm when he was getting > tired. I don't remember being in a quandary about this family, but I am > willing to take another look at the microfilm I have as soon as I get the > chance. I should be able to get to it by this weekend. I will post my > "interpretation" (heheheheh) as soon as possible. Frankly, if Johnita Malone > thinks there's a possibility that it's Brewer, and not Brown, that is enough > for me to take another look. > > Sonya Sipes Tilley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Brewer" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 9:02 AM > Subject: Re: [TNMCNAIR] Jackson > > > K. Dell > > > > Thank you for your input. You didn't butt in, the list is for everyone to > put their > > genealogical data out and see what others have to say. If Johnita or > myself didn't > > want everyone to see it, we would communicate to our private address. > Later census, > > starting in 1900 take that into account by listing the relationship to the > head of > > household. So many times records are not available or legible and all we > can do is > > examine what facts we have and work from them. Your statement supports my > position > > that you cannot go by what has been transcribed as solid fact. Anyone not > knowing > > the family would not have known that Tennessee Barnett and Tennessee > Hughes were in > > fact the same person. Find it in a transcribed document then look at the > orginal > > document or microfilm. Transcribed censeses are useful to speed the > location of the > > data in the actual film. > > > > In a transcribed census, 1910 Stepehns County, Oklahoma I pointed out > mistakes to a > > transcriber that were in my immediate family. My father and uncles who I > had lived > > with for many years, names were not correct as well as the ages. I showed > her in the > > census film where it was correct, and was informed that she didn't > interput it that > > way. I blew my stack and told her to read, not interput. > > > > That is why I like to look at the orginal documents. Any mistake is mine > not someone > > who dosen't know the family I am working on. I would like to come to > Tennessee and > > see the actual marriage records or at least the microfilm. In the case > of family > > 1250 in the 1850 census, the entry appears to be Brown. After close > examination and > > comparisons of other examples of his handwriting, reverse imiaging and > some other > > known facts, I decided that this could be William Brewer. What are the > chances of > > having two Lucy's married to a William, and two Nancy's as the daughter > of a > > William and both Lucy's come from N.C. and both Nancy' are the same age, 3 > YOA. As > > well as living in the same civil district. Those are mighty big "odds". > > > > I'll bet I have wore out a hundred shovels digging roots. > > > > John Wayne Brewer > > Killeen, Bell County, Texas > > > > k dell wrote: > > > > > Sorry to butt in but, your surmises of the surname may not be correct. > I have > > > Tennessee Hughes b. 1867, dau. of William C. Hughes and Susan Barnett > (nee > > > Davis). Both were widowed during the war. Many documents give her name > as > > > Tennessee Barnett. I don't know why this happened, but it did. > > > > > > The younger siblings always used Hughes. Tennessee looked like WC too. > > > > > > As to parentage, in the cases of children born out of wedlock, what I > have mostly > > > seen during that era (at least in Hardn Co.) is a simple incorporation > into the > > > g-parents family and reporting that family's surname whether living with > the > > > mother's or with the father's family. Who the other parent was is just > a matter > > > of family story & speculation. > > > > > > k > > > > > > "Johnita P. Malone" wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, I think so. She was his daughter Penelope and often young > married > > > > couples lived for a time with either his or her parents. > > > > > > > > What's even more interesting that it appears that Penelope is the long > > > > lost mother of Chestina E. Jackson for whom I've been looking and > could > > > > not find. Had I not been trying to help you I would never have found > her > > > > ever. I just can't figure why she was Chestina Jackson and Chestina > > > > Barnes. I think for sure, though, that this is my girl, age 1, in > 1870, > > > > and 11 in 1880. Now who in the world could her father be? I have to > > > > think it wasn't M. B. Barnes, otherwise, she would have used the > surname > > > > Barnes. > > > > > > > > Johnita > > > > > > > > John Brewer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Johnita, > > > > > > > > > > The census for 1860 shows; > > > > > > > > > > dwelling 1417 family 1431 Wm. Jackson > > > > > 1432 M.B. Barnes 19 > > > > > Penelope Barns 17 > > > > > John W. 3/12 > > > > > > > > > > I assume M.B. Barnes married Penelope and and lived with Wm. > Jackson. The > > > > > census does not have anything for the dwelling for M.B. Barnes. > > > > > > > > > > John Wayne. > > > > > > > > > > "Johnita P. Malone" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It's interesting to note that William Jackson's census records for > 1850 > > > > > > and 1860 are as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1850 Census > > > > > > McNairy Co., TN. > > > > > > District 8, household 1279 > > > > > > William Jackson/29/M/W/TN/farmer > > > > > > Nancy/28/F/W/TN > > > > > > John/10/M/W/TN > > > > > > Sarah/8/F/W/TN > > > > > > Penelope/6/F/W/TN > > > > > > Mary/4/F/W/TN > > > > > > Martha/2/F/W/TN > > > > > > > > > > > > 1860 Census > > > > > > McNairy Co., TN. > > > > > > District 8, household 1417 > > > > > > William Jackson/42/M/W/TN/farmer > > > > > > Nancy/39/F/W/TN > > > > > > John H./20/M/W/TN/farm labor > > > > > > Sarah E./18/F/W/TN > > > > > > Mary E./14/F/W/TN > > > > > > Martha A./12/F/W/TN > > > > > > James P./10/M/W/TN > > > > > > William A./6/M/W/TN > > > > > > Celia J./4/F/W/TN > > > > > > M. B. Barns/19/M/W/TN/day labor/married this year > > > > > > Penelipe/17/F/W/TN/married this year > > > > > > John W./3 mos/M/W/TN > > > > > > (Penelope Jackson then married a Barns.) > > > > > > > > > > > > The Brewers did live close by in 1860 at household 1420. The > Plunks > > > > > > lived a little further away at household 1372. > > > > > > > > > > > > Johnita > > > > > > > > > > > > John Brewer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barbara & Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The McNairy County 1860 census list; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > William Jackson 42 TN > > > > > > > Nancy 39 TN > > > > > > > John B. 20 TN > > > > > > > Sarah E. 18 TN > > > > > > > Mary E. 14 TN > > > > > > > Martha A. 12 TN > > > > > > > James P. 10 TN > > > > > > > William 6 TN > > > > > > > Celia J. 4 TN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could Celia J. be our Sleeta Jane Jackson, wife of Oliver Perry > > > > > > > Sewell? My 1870 CD is bad and I should have another in about a > week and > > > > > > > maybe I can find her there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep Diggin' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Wayne > >