John, I have done a lot of Plunk work. What part are you interested in? Johnita John Brewer wrote: > > Sonya, > > Hey, come on out and join the fun! I'm not down on anyone who works in the > trenches. It is a hard job and all you get is an Attagirl or Attaboy. No one > can blame you or any other transcriber because if I didn't know the family I > would have put down Brown. That is the reason I say anyone who wants to be sure > they must search the documents. I look at a transcribed census and locate who I > am looking for and record all the census information like page, line, district > and so on. When I "roll the film" I go to that location and look at everyone in > the district. I found my great grandfather in Montague County, Texas in 1900 by > using this technique. I was looking for someone else. Two cousins and myself > work on this family and none of us had any ideal he had been there in that > timeframe. I have a four volume set of Parker County, Texas cemetery books and > will be happy to do lookups for anyone. > > I can't blame the census take for his writing. What he had to work from > considering that many people in 1850 could barely write their names. They > didn't have the media exposure we have today. I was raised on a cotton farm in > the edge of the Texas Panhandle in the late 1930's and 1940's. We didn't get > the REA there until 1953. I went in the Army in 1953 and I didn't know how to > make a telephone call. I wasn't stupid, we just didn't have a telephone. I > have a telephone book from that time and when the phone numbers start with "!" > and go to "98" you say , Wow. I know the people in 1850 didn't do the things > that we take for granted. I'm sure there were a lot of areas in McNairy County > that didn't have electricity in 1953. The census taker had to pull the > information out of the people. I'm sure the 1850 population were lucky to know > the year, more less the month and day. Business owners didn't give calendars > back them. > > What do you have on the Jackson's/Plunk's/Sewell's and Brewer's? I would like > everyone on this site get fired up and put volumes of information out. > > Are we having fun yet? > > John Wayne > > Sonya Tilley wrote: > > > Hey, John. I've been lurking in the background to see what you and Johnita > > finally decided about the Brown/Brewer issue. I'm the one who transcribed > > the 1850 McNairy County, TN census that's online. I can understand how the > > two names could be confused, especially with that particular census taker. > > You could certainly tell from reading the microfilm when he was getting > > tired. I don't remember being in a quandary about this family, but I am > > willing to take another look at the microfilm I have as soon as I get the > > chance. I should be able to get to it by this weekend. I will post my > > "interpretation" (heheheheh) as soon as possible. Frankly, if Johnita Malone > > thinks there's a possibility that it's Brewer, and not Brown, that is enough > > for me to take another look. > > > > Sonya Sipes Tilley > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Brewer" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 9:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [TNMCNAIR] Jackson > > > > > K. Dell > > > > > > Thank you for your input. You didn't butt in, the list is for everyone to > > put their > > > genealogical data out and see what others have to say. If Johnita or > > myself didn't > > > want everyone to see it, we would communicate to our private address. > > Later census, > > > starting in 1900 take that into account by listing the relationship to the > > head of > > > household. So many times records are not available or legible and all we > > can do is > > > examine what facts we have and work from them. Your statement supports my > > position > > > that you cannot go by what has been transcribed as solid fact. Anyone not > > knowing > > > the family would not have known that Tennessee Barnett and Tennessee > > Hughes were in > > > fact the same person. Find it in a transcribed document then look at the > > orginal > > > document or microfilm. Transcribed censeses are useful to speed the > > location of the > > > data in the actual film. > > > > > > In a transcribed census, 1910 Stepehns County, Oklahoma I pointed out > > mistakes to a > > > transcriber that were in my immediate family. My father and uncles who I > > had lived > > > with for many years, names were not correct as well as the ages. I showed > > her in the > > > census film where it was correct, and was informed that she didn't > > interput it that > > > way. I blew my stack and told her to read, not interput. > > > > > > That is why I like to look at the orginal documents. Any mistake is mine > > not someone > > > who dosen't know the family I am working on. I would like to come to > > Tennessee and > > > see the actual marriage records or at least the microfilm. In the case > > of family > > > 1250 in the 1850 census, the entry appears to be Brown. After close > > examination and > > > comparisons of other examples of his handwriting, reverse imiaging and > > some other > > > known facts, I decided that this could be William Brewer. What are the > > chances of > > > having two Lucy's married to a William, and two Nancy's as the daughter > > of a > > > William and both Lucy's come from N.C. and both Nancy' are the same age, 3 > > YOA. As > > > well as living in the same civil district. Those are mighty big "odds". > > > > > > I'll bet I have wore out a hundred shovels digging roots. > > > > > > John Wayne Brewer > > > Killeen, Bell County, Texas > > > > > > k dell wrote: > > > > > > > Sorry to butt in but, your surmises of the surname may not be correct. > > I have > > > > Tennessee Hughes b. 1867, dau. of William C. Hughes and Susan Barnett > > (nee > > > > Davis). Both were widowed during the war. Many documents give her name > > as > > > > Tennessee Barnett. I don't know why this happened, but it did. > > > > > > > > The younger siblings always used Hughes. Tennessee looked like WC too. > > > > > > > > As to parentage, in the cases of children born out of wedlock, what I > > have mostly > > > > seen during that era (at least in Hardn Co.) is a simple incorporation > > into the > > > > g-parents family and reporting that family's surname whether living with > > the > > > > mother's or with the father's family. Who the other parent was is just > > a matter > > > > of family story & speculation. > > > > > > > > k > > > > > > > > "Johnita P. Malone" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes, I think so. She was his daughter Penelope and often young > > married > > > > > couples lived for a time with either his or her parents. > > > > > > > > > > What's even more interesting that it appears that Penelope is the long > > > > > lost mother of Chestina E. Jackson for whom I've been looking and > > could > > > > > not find. Had I not been trying to help you I would never have found > > her > > > > > ever. I just can't figure why she was Chestina Jackson and Chestina > > > > > Barnes. I think for sure, though, that this is my girl, age 1, in > > 1870, > > > > > and 11 in 1880. Now who in the world could her father be? I have to > > > > > think it wasn't M. B. Barnes, otherwise, she would have used the > > surname > > > > > Barnes. > > > > > > > > > > Johnita > > > > > > > > > > John Brewer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Johnita, > > > > > > > > > > > > The census for 1860 shows; > > > > > > > > > > > > dwelling 1417 family 1431 Wm. Jackson > > > > > > 1432 M.B. Barnes 19 > > > > > > Penelope Barns 17 > > > > > > John W. 3/12 > > > > > > > > > > > > I assume M.B. Barnes married Penelope and and lived with Wm. > > Jackson. The > > > > > > census does not have anything for the dwelling for M.B. Barnes. > > > > > > > > > > > > John Wayne. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Johnita P. Malone" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's interesting to note that William Jackson's census records for > > 1850 > > > > > > > and 1860 are as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1850 Census > > > > > > > McNairy Co., TN. > > > > > > > District 8, household 1279 > > > > > > > William Jackson/29/M/W/TN/farmer > > > > > > > Nancy/28/F/W/TN > > > > > > > John/10/M/W/TN > > > > > > > Sarah/8/F/W/TN > > > > > > > Penelope/6/F/W/TN > > > > > > > Mary/4/F/W/TN > > > > > > > Martha/2/F/W/TN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1860 Census > > > > > > > McNairy Co., TN. > > > > > > > District 8, household 1417 > > > > > > > William Jackson/42/M/W/TN/farmer > > > > > > > Nancy/39/F/W/TN > > > > > > > John H./20/M/W/TN/farm labor > > > > > > > Sarah E./18/F/W/TN > > > > > > > Mary E./14/F/W/TN > > > > > > > Martha A./12/F/W/TN > > > > > > > James P./10/M/W/TN > > > > > > > William A./6/M/W/TN > > > > > > > Celia J./4/F/W/TN > > > > > > > M. B. Barns/19/M/W/TN/day labor/married this year > > > > > > > Penelipe/17/F/W/TN/married this year > > > > > > > John W./3 mos/M/W/TN > > > > > > > (Penelope Jackson then married a Barns.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Brewers did live close by in 1860 at household 1420. The > > Plunks > > > > > > > lived a little further away at household 1372. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Johnita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Brewer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barbara & Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The McNairy County 1860 census list; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > William Jackson 42 TN > > > > > > > > Nancy 39 TN > > > > > > > > John B. 20 TN > > > > > > > > Sarah E. 18 TN > > > > > > > > Mary E. 14 TN > > > > > > > > Martha A. 12 TN > > > > > > > > James P. 10 TN > > > > > > > > William 6 TN > > > > > > > > Celia J. 4 TN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could Celia J. be our Sleeta Jane Jackson, wife of Oliver Perry > > > > > > > > Sewell? My 1870 CD is bad and I should have another in about a > > week and > > > > > > > > maybe I can find her there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep Diggin' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Wayne > > >