Nancy I am one big dufus...I apologize. The genealogy info mailed to you was for the transcription project in McMinn Co, & Monroe Co., TN. Please transcribe the list of names into your computer's word processor and email back to me. escc@vol.com or jreece@icx.net Thank you Joyce G. Reece, Director/Site Coordinator Etowah Senior Center

Someone with the initials B. C. sent a lookup request, but the return address is not complete, so when I answered, the message returned. If B. C. is on this list, please send me a complet address. Below is what I received. Barbara >From: "abcrain" <abcrain@> >To: <jb.dooley@verizon.net> >Subject: census 1840 >Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:03:00 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > >Swinford on pages 119,1120 in McMinn county Tenn. >for year 1840. >Than you, B.C. >

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Hi, I am beginning to get much of the transcribed documents back concerning the McMinn and Monroe Deed projects. Are you willing to proof read the documents and make corrections. Mostly typographical errors. I can email the documents to you "portioned" so as to not have a big download or I can "Zip" from Winzip and send. Let me know please. Thanks Joyce G. Reece, Director/Site Coordinator Etowah Senior Center ----- Original Message ----- From: <MVJW58A@aol.com> To: <TNMCMINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:16 AM Subject: [MCMINN] Re: TNMCMINN-D Digest V02 #65 > mvjw58a@aol.com > > my wife and I are retired and can devote considerable time to transcribing > the material. I have Word, but I prefer to use in Works. > > Let me know which you would prefer. > > My wife and I are both retired printers and are familiar with proofing and > transcribing. > > > > > > ==== TNMCMINN Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Discovery of a possible Civil War era cemetery on a hill behind Wal mart could have an impact on the retailer's proposal for a new center behind the current one. The possible cemetery was discovered by WalMart employee Dennis Stewart as he walked the property once owned by the Layman family of Athens According to tax records the property on Layman Rd. is now listed in the name of First Mortagage Co of naples Fl c/a a GA McHale of Ft. Myers. The WalMart Corp has not as yet acquired the property. A firsthand look at the site shows at least one square uncut sandstone rock that bears the resemblance of a headstone set in a sunken area. Additional scattered uncut rocks could also have been attempts at marking burial spots. "I found the cemetery as I was walking the site", Stewart said. "As a cemetery preservationist, I recognized the plot of ground as a burial site by instinct because graves sink in and always point east to west. Some of these are sunken and at one time there may have been many field stones set at the site." According to McMinn County Historical and Heritage Society President Rex Moses, the property was once owned by a Steve Reeder who died in 1861 and the land continued to pass through the hands of other owners, including the Layman family. "We knew there was a Sivels-Vestal Cemetery in the area and it was last located in WPA records around 1939. However, when we attempted to add it to our Cemetery Book records, we couldn't find it. We believe this location is that cemetery," Moses sid. Stewart said he immediately began research after he found the first graves and he has also come to believe the site is the old Sivels-Vestal Cemetery recorded in the 1930's WPZ survey. The location matches that survery, Stewart said. Stewart provided a copy from the "McMinn County, Tennessee Tombstone Inscriptions Vol. 2, 1939 List". The record describes the Sivels or Vestal Farm Cemetery on page 210 "This cemetery was started during the war of 1861-1865 when several soldiers, who were stationed nearby, died with small pox and were buried on the farm owned by Steve Reeder,"stated the 1939 record.heree are no markers but there are about 25 graves. The location is on Decatur Pike three miles west of Athens on the farm of John Vestal. The following names and information were secured by Mrs. Sarah Edgmon, who is 90 ears old and lives nearby." The record further notes the names of two sisters who died of small pox in 1863 and are buried in the cemetery. These are Margaret Sivels, age 40 and Polly sivels Pike, age 38. A note in the record also indicates that the parents of the Sivels sisters died about the same time in 1863, also of small pox, at about 60 years of age. Stewart said the former fenced area may contain as many as 33 to 50 graves. He has spoken with David Robinette, the president of Site, Inc. of Knoxville, whose civil engineering firm has worked for WalMart and investigated the site. According to Stewart, "His (Robinette's) people also did a deed search and found the cemetery recorded on the Reeder property" in the 1930's WPA survey. That record was the last time it was found, Stewart said. "The graves may be those of the Civil War soldiers who died of smallpox, but we're not sure if they were Union or Confederate soldiers. Some of the older graves may be civilians, including children. But if these are soldiers buried at that site, there could be federal implications," Stewart suggested. State Archaeologist Nick Fielder has shown interest in the cemetery and has plans to visit Athens in the next few weeks and appraise the authenticity of the site. "I have spoken with Wal mart's Real Estate Division and their position is that they are not sure the cemetery is actually there. I'll make a trip to Athens to determine if this is a cemetery and I'll also check the deeds. The state has had some limited success with ground penetrating radar in making determinations," Fielder said. A Call to Wal Marts district office in Hamilton County had not been returned by press time this morning. WalMart has not yet purchased the property, but if a purchase were made by any commercial developer the verification of it as a cemetery site would only allow the purchaser the following options, according to Fielder. Because destroying the cemetery would be illegal, according to state law, a developer could work around the graves, perhaps enclosing the site within a shopping center as has occurred with a cemetery in the Brainerd area of Chattanooga. A second option would be for the developer to petition the Chancery Court that a cemetery was not in alignment with his purpose for the land and request permission at his own espense, to disinter and reinter the remains of the graves into other grave sites. The only third option would be to leave the site intact and choose another property for development, Fielder said. Joyce G. Reece, Director/Site Coordinator Etowah Senior Center

Joyce, You can include me as a volunteer for your next project on McMinn Co Census Records, esp. since I'm not working at this time. Or other projects that may be pending or ongoing. Bernice Raymond NOW FOR THE BIG NEWS. I have been given copies of the microfilche of the 1900, 1910 and 1930 census records for McMinn County. The plans are to index the head of household and post them on a website. Once posted we will send a copy of the census to lookup volunteers. Researchers will be sent to that site for a request of info. These CD images are fairly easy to see but can, at times, be terrible, It will take a bit of work to get each CD indexed. I will send a CD to the people who volunteer for the project. Each volunteer will index off that and email info to me for posting. This one is likely to take a good amount of work. >Do we have any takers? > > >Joyce G. Reece, Director/Site Coordinator >Etowah Senior Center

Sharon THat is wonderful news. I didn't know that since I haven't visited the Mcminn Web page recently. Thanks Joyce Gaston Reece Rootsweb Mail Administer for: Meigs Co, TN, South East TN, North East TN, Raper, Gilbreath, Galbreath,Hemby, Hembree, Knuckles Message Board Administrator for: Gaston, Shields, Reece, Raper, Gilbreath, Galbreath, Hemby Hembree, Knuckles, Daugherty & Polk Co., TN ----- Original Message ----- From: <sharonmc2002@aol.com> To: <TNMCMINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:19 PM Subject: [MCMINN] 1900 McMinn Co TN Census Index > > > the 1900 McMinn Co Census is indexed online. > > > > http://www.geocities.com/sharon_mccormack/1900McMinnCensusIndex.html > > > > And it has a link to the images online as well. > > Sharon > > > > > ==== TNMCMINN Mailing List ==== > If you wish to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the McMinn Co., TN list, use > TNMCMINN-l-request@rootsweb.com or TNMCMINN-d-request@rootsweb.com if > you are on the Digest list. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

> the 1900 McMinn Co Census is indexed online. > > http://www.geocities.com/sharon_mccormack/1900McMinnCensusIndex.html > > And it has a link to the images online as well. > Sharon

McMinn Deed Abstracts: Most of this is back to me. Am waiting on some pages to get here so this can be completed Monroe County Deed Abstracts is still out for the most part Monroe Deed Abstracts have gone out to Sherry Young, Becky Brunner, Jackie Smith, Steve Robinson, Cathy Brown, Ann Chory, Mitzi Bame. Some of you have confirmed that you have rec'd the package of papers. If you have received them please let me know. These of you receive the only copy I had of Mrs. Lynn McConkeys work. She has handwritten the records with no one to transcribe them. That is our job. So, please, if you cannot trans. them for some reason please see that they are returned to us asap. NOW FOR THE BIG NEWS. I have been given copies of the microfilche of the 1900, 1910 and 1930 census records for McMinn County. The plans are to index the head of household and post them on a website. Once posted we will send a copy of the census to lookup volunteers. Researchers will be sent to that site for a request of info. These CD images are fairly easy to see but can, at times, be terrible, It will take a bit of work to get each CD indexed. I will send a CD to the people who volunteer for the project. Each volunteer will index off that and email info to me for posting. This one is likely to take a good amount of work. Do we have any takers? Joyce G. Reece, Director/Site Coordinator Etowah Senior Center

Searching for information regarding Elisha VINZANT b. Unknown in Tennessee (county unknown) and d. 1844 in Newton County, Missouri. He married Ellender LEE, b June 24, 1810 in Tennessee (county unknown); d February 17, 1884 in Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana. They had the following children: David Marion Vinzant, b. 1837, Tennessee (county unknown); m. Sarah Matilda MAY, December 27, 1860, Monroe County, Indiana; d. March 21, 1892, Pickering, Nodaway County, Missouri. Ellen Vinzant, b. Tennessee (?) no other information. It is said that she married an unknown BROWN. William Everment Vinzant, b. June 17, 1844, Neosho, Newton County, Missouri; m. Rebecca East, February 17, 1867 in Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana; d. October 19, 1935, Decatur, Macon County, Illinois. In 1900 census, David shows father being born in Tennessee. Brother indicates father born in France. Could this be because France claimed a section of Tennessee when Elisha was born? So many questions and unfortunately, so few answers. Elisha and Ellender are very evasive. I have been searching 30 plus years and have found nothing. Any help is appreciated! Possible spellings Vansant, Vanzant, Vanzandt....... Earline Wasser "Don't judge each day by the harvest your reap, but by the seeds you plant. Robert Louis Stevenson Researching WASSER, GOAR, JOURNEY, HAMM, VINZANT, McNEAL, MATHIESON

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Sharon There may be one in the historical society office. I am forwarding the email to them. He will be in touch asap. Joyce Gaston Reece Rootsweb Mail Administer for: Meigs Co, TN, South East TN, North East TN, Raper, Gilbreath, Galbreath,Hemby, Hembree, Knuckles Message Board Administrator for: Gaston, Shields, Reece, Raper, Gilbreath, Galbreath, Hemby Hembree, Knuckles, Daugherty & Polk Co., TN ----- Original Message ----- From: <sharonmc2002@aol.com> To: <TNMCMINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 6:51 AM Subject: [MCMINN] Pleasant Grove School > My mother went to Pleasant Grove School out from Etowah in the 1930's. As > anyone who went there knows it was across the road a little ways from the > church. My mom has been wondering if anyone had a picture of the old school? > It's no longer there but she would love to see it again. CAn anyone help? > Sharon > > > ==== TNMCMINN Mailing List ==== > If you wish to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the McMinn Co., TN list, use > TNMCMINN-l-request@rootsweb.com or TNMCMINN-d-request@rootsweb.com if > you are on the Digest list. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

My mother went to Pleasant Grove School out from Etowah in the 1930's. As anyone who went there knows it was across the road a little ways from the church. My mom has been wondering if anyone had a picture of the old school? It's no longer there but she would love to see it again. CAn anyone help? Sharon

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yes i'm willing. Bernice Raymond At 03:00 PM 7/25/2002 -0400, you wrote: >For everyone who has volnteered for the transcription projects Please read > >In no particular order (we just used the address that we got first). > > >You have been sent pages from McMinn County Deed and other items: > >Dawn Todhunter >Judy Dewberry >Barbara Cantrell >Sharee C. Shermer >Larry Wilson >Paul Bosch >Nancy Skidmore >Sharon Romanek >Sharon Clement >Brenda Hartman >Martha Barker > > > > >YOu folks have been sent pages from the Monroe Co Books: > >Keith Lowery >Diane Ricks >Pam Smith >Millie Blanton >Sharon McCormack >James D. Wooten >Kay Presley >Jill Watters Rains > > > > >AS FOR THE OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE VOLUNTEERED....we have other projects that >need doing...probate court records, circuit court records...etc. I am in >the process of contacting Lynn McConkey in Monroe Co to see if she will >loan us her hand written records....long enough to photocopy. She wants >her work put out to the public but I have yet to talk to her about it. If >she is willing to let us use the documents will you folks still help with >getting them printed/transcribed? > >Joy Locke is coordinator for Monroe County's Tennessee Genealogy Web page, >she has already agreed to post everything possible in their records pages > > > >Joyce G. Reece, Director/Site Coordinator >Etowah Senior Center > > >==== TNMCMINN Mailing List ==== >If you wish to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the McMinn Co., TN list, use >TNMCMINN-l-request@rootsweb.com or TNMCMINN-d-request@rootsweb.com if >you are on the Digest list. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Sign me up. Vernon Williams in Fulton Co, AR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernice Gayle & Anson Raymond" <raymond@desoto.net> To: <TNMCMINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [MCMINN] Volunteers > yes i'm willing. > Bernice Raymond > > At 03:00 PM 7/25/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >For everyone who has volnteered for the transcription projects Please read > > > >In no particular order (we just used the address that we got first). > > > > > >You have been sent pages from McMinn County Deed and other items: > > > >Dawn Todhunter > >Judy Dewberry > >Barbara Cantrell > >Sharee C. Shermer > >Larry Wilson > >Paul Bosch > >Nancy Skidmore > >Sharon Romanek > >Sharon Clement > >Brenda Hartman > >Martha Barker > > > > > > > > > >YOu folks have been sent pages from the Monroe Co Books: > > > >Keith Lowery > >Diane Ricks > >Pam Smith > >Millie Blanton > >Sharon McCormack > >James D. Wooten > >Kay Presley > >Jill Watters Rains > > > > > > > > > >AS FOR THE OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE VOLUNTEERED....we have other projects that > >need doing...probate court records, circuit court records...etc. I am in > >the process of contacting Lynn McConkey in Monroe Co to see if she will > >loan us her hand written records....long enough to photocopy. She wants > >her work put out to the public but I have yet to talk to her about it. If > >she is willing to let us use the documents will you folks still help with > >getting them printed/transcribed? > > > >Joy Locke is coordinator for Monroe County's Tennessee Genealogy Web page, > >she has already agreed to post everything possible in their records pages > > > > > > > >Joyce G. Reece, Director/Site Coordinator > >Etowah Senior Center > > > > > >==== TNMCMINN Mailing List ==== > >If you wish to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the McMinn Co., TN list, use > >TNMCMINN-l-request@rootsweb.com or TNMCMINN-d-request@rootsweb.com if > >you are on the Digest list. > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== TNMCMINN Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

For everyone who has volnteered for the transcription projects Please read In no particular order (we just used the address that we got first). You have been sent pages from McMinn County Deed and other items: Dawn Todhunter Judy Dewberry Barbara Cantrell Sharee C. Shermer Larry Wilson Paul Bosch Nancy Skidmore Sharon Romanek Sharon Clement Brenda Hartman Martha Barker YOu folks have been sent pages from the Monroe Co Books: Keith Lowery Diane Ricks Pam Smith Millie Blanton Sharon McCormack James D. Wooten Kay Presley Jill Watters Rains AS FOR THE OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE VOLUNTEERED....we have other projects that need doing...probate court records, circuit court records...etc. I am in the process of contacting Lynn McConkey in Monroe Co to see if she will loan us her hand written records....long enough to photocopy. She wants her work put out to the public but I have yet to talk to her about it. If she is willing to let us use the documents will you folks still help with getting them printed/transcribed? Joy Locke is coordinator for Monroe County's Tennessee Genealogy Web page, she has already agreed to post everything possible in their records pages Joyce G. Reece, Director/Site Coordinator Etowah Senior Center

Let me hel! >From: "Joyce Reece" <escc435@vol.com> >Reply-To: TNMCMINN-L@rootsweb.com >To: TNMCMINN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MCMINN] Need Volunteers >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:52:22 -0400 > >Oh > >For anyone who will do 15 pages or more I will send them a copy of the book >on CD and everyone who volunteers will receive credit for their work....as >in "transcribed by"..... > >Joyce G. Reece, Director/Site Coordinator >Etowah Senior Center >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim Davis" <caroljim@mindspring.com> >To: <escc435@vol.com> >Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:01 PM >Subject: Re: [MCMINN] Need Volunteers > > > > Joyce, > > > > If I can do it from Atlanta, count me in. I have Word 97. > > > > Jim Davis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joyce Reece" <escc435@vol.com> > > To: <TNMCMINN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 10:07 AM > > Subject: [MCMINN] Need Volunteers > > > > > > My cousin and I have taken on an overwhelming project and we need >HELP!!! > > > > McMinn County, Tennessee Deed (and other items) Book is a veritable >treasure > > trove of names and very, very valuable information concerning this >region > > between 1819 and 1883. There is no copywrite on the book and we plan on > > having it posted or linked off several Tennessee Genealogy WEb sites. >The > > McMinn Web page coordinator has agreed to post it for all of us. I >can't > > emphasize how valuable a research aid this will be for anyone who is > > researching in southeast Tennessee. I have transcribed only 15 pages >and > > have already seen dozens of familiar names that I recognize. My cousin >has > > transcribed another 15 pages. > > > > > > WE need help in transcribing the dog-gone thing. There are 180 pages >plus > > the index (which I'm not sure we are going to do yet). It is just a >matter > > of not having enough time to do it. > > > > We'd like volunteers to help. We are working in Microsoft Word but you >can > > use whichever word processing program you have and email the finished > > documents to me. I'll edit and burn onto a CD which I'll then forward >to > > Mr. Sneed. We also plan on seeing that local libaries get a copy also. > > > > If we can get enough volunteers and everyone did just a few pages we >could > > get this done and on line fairly quickly. > > > > Pleae contact me at jreece@icx.net or escc435@vol.com if you will have a >few > > hours over the next few weeks to transcribe a few pages for this >project. > > > > > > Joyce G. Reece, Director/Site Coordinator > > Etowah Senior Center > > > > > > ==== TNMCMINN Mailing List ==== > > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, >political > > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, >flames, > > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for >removal. > > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > > kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, >go > > to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >==== TNMCMINN Mailing List ==== >Checkout the other lists being watched over by your List Mom; >http://mailing_lists.homestead.com/lists.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

mvjw58a@aol.com my wife and I are retired and can devote considerable time to transcribing the material. I have Word, but I prefer to use in Works. Let me know which you would prefer. My wife and I are both retired printers and are familiar with proofing and transcribing.

Joyce, it sounds as if you don't need any more volunteers, unless someone would like to do fewer than 15 pages. Would it help if I took 10 pages (McMinn Co. is what I would like to work on)? That could cut down two other assignments from 15 to 10. Might be faster that way. Barbara Dooley At 10:07 AM 7/23/02 -0400, you wrote: >My cousin and I have taken on an overwhelming project and we need HELP!!! > >