In a message dated 12/14/98, 9:15:35 AM, TNMAURY-L@rootsweb.com writes: <<I am always very willing to share my information, because, with many people working on the same or similar lines, more information is found. That I feel, is of importance in doing genealogical research.>> And sometimes one researcher will have access to information that no one else could ever find. This recently happened to me. Having hit what seemed like a dead end on my maternal grandfather's line, I found a descendant of his brother online, the only member of this family I have ever found. I had a sister of my grandfather in my files that she had never heard of. This child has no documentation--no birth certificate, no death certificate, no census record because she was born and died between censuses. I knew about her because my mother's oldest sister is named for her. My sources are not on my Web, but I make it clear that anyone is welcome to e- mail me for sources, and I am scrupulous about documenting where I get information. I also make clear that my information came from many sources and that some of it I have not personally verified. It would be very difficult to put only research that I have personally done into tree format because there would be gaps. If I didn't enter data received from others in my Family Tree Maker, there would not be much point in seeking the data, some of which it is geographically possible for me to personally confirm. Before I post my files on my page, I run them through Gedclean to eliminate personal information about living individuals. I love to share information and will even volunteer to do lookups for people if I don't have the person they are looking for in my data. If I add data to my files that I get from a Web page, I try to e-mail the person and ask their permission. When I first started, I did not know anyone expected me to do that, however. I think it would be ridiculous to go back and remove all that data from my files. It is my impression that most people's pages contain substantial amounts of data that they obtained from other people, and I have never had anyone tell me that I could not use theirs. Most people who post data on the Internet do so in order to share it, I believe. Now, it is one thing to add names, dates, and personal information about ancestors to one's page. Presumably this is public information available to everyone. It is another thing to appropriate more creative uses of this data. I wrote a brief sketch of my fourth great-grandfather for my page and was a little disgruntled to find it posted verbatim and with no source on the page of someone I had shared data with. I pondered what to do and decided, for the sake of good will, to say nothing, particularly since he had put a link to my page on his. And, it's not as though I am going to publish this sketch or win any literary awards for it. I think we need to keep a perspective about why we are doing this research. As someone else said, most of us are doing it for fun; and I know that many of us enjoy finding distant cousins online almost as much as we enjoy finding another piece of our ancestral puzzle. Also, I think that since online genealogy is so new, the rules are still in a state of development and it is not clear to most of us exactly what they are. Sara Binkley Tarpley

My mother-in-law, who was a semi-professional genealogist, refused to share information with any other members of her family. She felt that if they wanted the info, they had to go dig for it. This was in the days when searching involved trips to distant courthouses, and long hours at the large libraries. I can somewhat see her point, since her searches involved a lot of travel, time and expense. But I do not agree with it. I am always very willing to share my information, because, with many people working on the same or similar lines, more information is found. That I feel, is of importance in doing genealogical research. Similarly, when checking out someone's gedcom file online, I am always dismayed when no dates or places are included. How can I tell then if this might be the people I am looking for? Names recur many times down through the generations and among cousins of the same generation. It is a great help if a place and date are given to allow me to narrow my search. Then, if the names fit, I can contact the submitter and share information, double check references, etc. Barbara Stancliff Maury Co names: Love, Johnston, Blake, Goodman, Jernigan, Skipper

May I have little input into this discussion. I do not believe anyone who writes a book on a family can have a lot of sales. They couldn't even start to make a lot of money on any family book. I know because I do sell my famiy books. Only family want to buy them so unless you have an awful big family how much money could anyone make? (If you want them in a Library you donte them.) As I said I do sell my books but I use that money to send out a family newsletter which uses up all the money that I get from the books. I can send out the newsletter and inform more people who do not buy a book about the family. I send out to about 350 family members and all I have ever made on selling my books is enough to send this out three times each year. I can touch more people this way and share more. And I get to tell the great stories handed down thru the family. Just thought you would like to know it has probably cost me 10 to 15 thousand dollars to research for this book. I do love sharing with the family. Family Tree maker is a money making business and they get all their information for free and sell it to you and me. I will never send any information to them. I will not pay them to be able to look at their web site either. Maxine At 08:36 AM 12/14/1998 EST, you wrote: >Hi: > >You know I started with my oldest ancestors lst. I wondered if many people >started with themselves. I guess I thought I knew about my parents and >myself. > >I would gladly give any info I have to cousins or people but I can understand >if someone is writing a book to sell. > >Happy Haunting, > >Marian > > >==== TNMAURY Mailing List ==== >Maury County Historical Society >Contact: Mrs. Alice Algood, President >Address: 804 Athenaeum St., Columbia, TN 38401 >Phone: (931) 388-5373 > >MCHS, founded in 1964, meets every odd month on the third Sunday. A quarterly publication is issued. Membership dues are $10 per year. > >Visit the Maury County Historical Society Web Site at: >http://www.maurywebpages.com/mchs/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Chuck: When FTW asks if you want to submit and you hit yes, you will be asked to put it on disk so in a word, there is a confirmation of which you have control. Changes or corrections can always be sent to FTW on disk just like the original. I am not sure how World Tree works, but I thought or understood corrections or changes could be made. Wanda Losee

Tania Yes! I have noticed this, and it did happen to me. Patti -----Original Message----- From: Allan Patrick <aeptcp@preferred.com> To: TNMAURY-L@rootsweb.com <TNMAURY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 1:07 PM Subject: [TNMAURY-L] Accidental Entry of data to FTM > I have often noticed how easy it would be for information to be submitted >to FTM accidentally. I don't think I have done it yet, but when that >screen comes up after every hundred or so entries that says "would you like >to submit this information now...?" I think," wow !" how easy it would be >for info to be submitted before you intend that it should. Has anyone else >noticed this? .. And if you did accidentally hit "yes" instead of "no" >would there be any further confirmation of what you have done? >Just wondering!?! >Tania > > >==== TNMAURY Mailing List ==== >Researching the following Maury County surnames: BINKLEY - BOOKER - CASKEY - CRAIG - CRAWFORD - CREWS - DABBS - DANIELS - DEMASTUS - DIAL - DILLEHAY - DODSON - DOOLEY - DUGGER - demastus@aol.com > > > > > >

Again,the one I am searching for a death date on is Charles LEWELLYN (sp?) who lived in Maury CO. and probably died 1821-1827 as his widow remarried in 1827.Thanks to those who have responded.The reason I am just searching for him is that his widow married my ggreatgrandfather in 1827 in Maury Co..

Thank you so much

Hi: You know I started with my oldest ancestors lst. I wondered if many people started with themselves. I guess I thought I knew about my parents and myself. I would gladly give any info I have to cousins or people but I can understand if someone is writing a book to sell. Happy Haunting, Marian

Hi: This off top of head. I have an Eleanor Lewallen md. Wm. Garret in TN. 1820's. I have a lot of info on Garrets, but haven't hooked up with her family. Tks Marian

AMEN!!! Carole, Appreciated your input and feel the same. If ones does not share, one could stay in the same spot for twenty years looking for a clue. I use one rule in sharing. If it's misused I don't enter anymore information! In saying that, I mean selling what I've found instead of sharing what I've have found. My most difficult moments have been working with folks who are interested in your information and promise to get back to you with their data. After entering my data, I never hear from them again. I have their names posted to my computer under "looking for info, will not share". I believe one can ascertain the gatherers from the ones who will share. "Thank You" is worth its weight in gold and sharing what they have gives me more information to work with. Pat

To Maury Co. Listers, This same subject has come up on several lists that I am on. If you don't want something online don't give it to anybody. People are different and consider things differently, see things differently. Thank God, or this would be a very boring world. Anything I have is for anyones use. Info I have on living persons is private. I believe in sharing and wish you all would take a few minutes to look at the Combs Family site as the best example of sharing and helping others I have ever seen. Its thier spirit of furthering genealogy that is amazing. Maybe you'll find someone of yours there. http://www.rootsweb.com/~combs/index.html Love ya all' Carole in CA

My problem was that I sent information to a cousin that I thought only wanted the information for his records and I sent dates and information on my children and nieces and nephews who might not like the fact that they can now be found via the Internet. He also sent it to a mailing list and I can say I didn't appreciate it, but figured that it is to late to do anything about it except to learn from it. Ellen Anderson Texas -----Original Message----- From: Janis Gilmore <jgilmore@sccoast.net> To: TNMAURY-L@rootsweb.com <TNMAURY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 11:24 AM Subject: [TNMAURY-L] Loaned data - wrong credit >I, too, have had the experience of sharing data, and finding on someone >else's website. While I first felt somewhat violated (and then worried -- >was all sensitive material taken out before I shared?) -- I later decided >that the more reasonable view was this: > >a) I do this partly for fun -- because it is like working a crossword >puzzle, except more fulfilling, and the game is never over > >and > >b) I do it partly for posterity -- and the more places my research appears, >the more likely it is to survive. Whether or not I get credit is not the >point. > >Bottom line: I would never publish someone else's work on the net or >elsewhere as my own. I would ask permission to include, or something. Or I >would document the secondary source with primary sources, so that it became >my first-hand work and research. It is rude for people to make the >assumption that it is all right to publish someone else's findings. However, >I have decided just to make my own work as good as possibly, and not worry >about who else appropriates it. > >What DOES matter is that this sort of thing means you must be scrupulously >careful about everything that you share, both the accuracy (so that an >innocent mistake will not be perpetuated) and the sensitive material. > >Just my viewpoint. > >My MAURY county names: WALKER, McGILL, BRASEL/BRAZZELL, McMILLAN, ROBERTSON, >CLARK > >Janis Walker Gilmore >jgilmore@sccoast.net >www.elijahwalker.com > > > > > >==== TNMAURY Mailing List ==== >Please remember to include your SURNAMES in the SUBJECT Line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Atta girl Janis! You are right! 100 percent and you have a terrific attitude. Kudos to you Deb in Atlanta -----Original Message----- From: Janis Gilmore <jgilmore@sccoast.net> To: TNMAURY-L@rootsweb.com <TNMAURY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 2:24 PM Subject: [TNMAURY-L] Loaned data - wrong credit >I, too, have had the experience of sharing data, and finding on someone >else's website. While I first felt somewhat violated (and then worried -- >was all sensitive material taken out before I shared?) -- I later decided >that the more reasonable view was this: > >a) I do this partly for fun -- because it is like working a crossword >puzzle, except more fulfilling, and the game is never over > >and > >b) I do it partly for posterity -- and the more places my research appears, >the more likely it is to survive. Whether or not I get credit is not the >point. > >Bottom line: I would never publish someone else's work on the net or >elsewhere as my own. I would ask permission to include, or something. Or I >would document the secondary source with primary sources, so that it became >my first-hand work and research. It is rude for people to make the >assumption that it is all right to publish someone else's findings. However, >I have decided just to make my own work as good as possibly, and not worry >about who else appropriates it. > >What DOES matter is that this sort of thing means you must be scrupulously >careful about everything that you share, both the accuracy (so that an >innocent mistake will not be perpetuated) and the sensitive material. > >Just my viewpoint. > >My MAURY county names: WALKER, McGILL, BRASEL/BRAZZELL, McMILLAN, ROBERTSON, >CLARK > >Janis Walker Gilmore >jgilmore@sccoast.net >www.elijahwalker.com > > > > > >==== TNMAURY Mailing List ==== >Please remember to include your SURNAMES in the SUBJECT Line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Cindy, I don't think anyone is talking about picking up a few bits and pieces here and there from different people. I think we are talking about picking up an entire line, or several generations, and putting them out on the web as your own verified work. This is often done without any sources or attributions. On my own website, even though I have tried to do very careful research, I have a big red box on each page that says "NOTE: While the research presented on this site is accurate to the best of my knowledge, some of it is necessarily speculation or "best guess." Please remember that no research taken from the internet should be accepted as authentic until you have backed it up with your own solid research and documentation." Cindy, I doubt that what you posted to the internet was wrong at all. I certainly didn't mean to be speaking pointedly -- different people have different opinions. Warmly, Janis -----Original Message----- From: Cindy Ford <fordford@midwest.net> To: TNMAURY-L@rootsweb.com <TNMAURY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [TNMAURY-L] Loaned data - wrong credit > > > >>>I, too, have had the experience of sharing data, and finding on someone >>>else's website. > >>>Bottom line: I would never publish someone else's work on the net or >>>elsewhere as my own It is rude for people to make the >>>assumption that it is all right to publish someone else's findings. >>>Janis Walker Gilmore >To Janis and Everyone, > I share anything I can find from my research, and I suppose I am rude >because I have used other's finding's on a web page, However I never thought >of it as stealing it as my own, I thought we were all in it together and >anyone who puts information out there is willing to share unless specified. >I am sure I will be told if I am wrong. Just my viewpoint. :-) >Cindy Ford >fordford@midwest.net > > > >==== TNMAURY Mailing List ==== >Visit the Maury County, Tennessee web site at http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/maury/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>>I, too, have had the experience of sharing data, and finding on someone >>else's website. >>Bottom line: I would never publish someone else's work on the net or >>elsewhere as my own It is rude for people to make the >>assumption that it is all right to publish someone else's findings. >>Janis Walker Gilmore To Janis and Everyone, I share anything I can find from my research, and I suppose I am rude because I have used other's finding's on a web page, However I never thought of it as stealing it as my own, I thought we were all in it together and anyone who puts information out there is willing to share unless specified. I am sure I will be told if I am wrong. Just my viewpoint. :-) Cindy Ford fordford@midwest.net

Dora, Could you tell me if there are Wilks/Wilkes and/or Vick names in the cemetery book....I'm trying to decide whether or not to shell out 45 bucks for it or not!1 Thanks! Doris Moore djmoore@nb.net ---------- > From: Dora Whisenant <whis@cora.net> > To: TNMAURY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNMAURY-L] Maury County, Tennessee Cemeteries > Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 1:34 PM > > I find the following in the Maury County cemetery records: > > Rose Hill Cemetery, page 412. ----- LEWELLEN, 17 May 1901 - 2 Apr 1983. > > Concord Cemetery, page 657. Jane LOWELEN, d. 1 Mar 1869. > > > Dora Gordon Whisenant > > > I am searching for the date of death for Charles Lewellyn(sp?) between 1821 & > >1827 > >He was married to Sarah Pines Herndon 1821. > > > > > > ==== TNMAURY Mailing List ==== > Researching the following Maury County surnames: BINKLEY - BOOKER - CASKEY - CRAIG - CRAWFORD - CREWS - DABBS - DANIELS - DEMASTUS - DIAL - DILLEHAY - DODSON - DOOLEY - DUGGER - demastus@aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I must say, I believe it would be a shame to limit what I tell others to a name -- with no date or place. Genealogy is not a contest. I have had so many generous early-generation genealogists share data with me -- I hope that someone will someday say the same about me -- that I was generous with what I found. (This does NOT indicate that I believe the appropriation of another person's research to be acceptable behavior. It simply means that for me -- I choose sharing over protecting myself against the eventuality of piracy of any sort.) Janis jgilmore@sccoast.net www.elijahwalker.com

I, too, have had the experience of sharing data, and finding on someone else's website. While I first felt somewhat violated (and then worried -- was all sensitive material taken out before I shared?) -- I later decided that the more reasonable view was this: a) I do this partly for fun -- because it is like working a crossword puzzle, except more fulfilling, and the game is never over and b) I do it partly for posterity -- and the more places my research appears, the more likely it is to survive. Whether or not I get credit is not the point. Bottom line: I would never publish someone else's work on the net or elsewhere as my own. I would ask permission to include, or something. Or I would document the secondary source with primary sources, so that it became my first-hand work and research. It is rude for people to make the assumption that it is all right to publish someone else's findings. However, I have decided just to make my own work as good as possibly, and not worry about who else appropriates it. What DOES matter is that this sort of thing means you must be scrupulously careful about everything that you share, both the accuracy (so that an innocent mistake will not be perpetuated) and the sensitive material. Just my viewpoint. My MAURY county names: WALKER, McGILL, BRASEL/BRAZZELL, McMILLAN, ROBERTSON, CLARK Janis Walker Gilmore jgilmore@sccoast.net www.elijahwalker.com

Hi, Just click "no." Gene ATKIN <genea2@juno.com> Forty Surnames, etc.: <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/t/k/Eugene-L-Atkin> On Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:21:19 EST LenFThomsn@aol.com writes: >YES !!! I have often wondered the same thing. What happens if you >dont want >to submit info. then or ever ?? Len in ca. > > >==== TNMAURY Mailing List ==== >MAURY CO, TN CEMETERIES covers the 450 cemeteries in the >county, plus a lot of biographical and genealogical tidbits that many >have found useful. The price is $45.00, including postage. You can >order it, if you wish, from Fred L. Hawkins, 509 Pawnee Trail, >Columbia, >TN. 38401. > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]