:o) That's "trees" not "tires" Some of my firewood burns like tires. -----Original Message----- From: wmcconne <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [TNMARION] survey >I haven't seen the survey and I agree with some of your comments and >respectfully disagee on others. I know that Betty and I also disagree on >this. When you pay for genealogy material, it's not the material you're >really paying for. It's the effort to accumulate the info and present it in >such a way that it can be easily searched for. The alternative for many of >us would be to travel to many different libraries and courthouses all over >the US. Some of the material on ancestry.com came from books and databases >of others that they have to pay to put on their website. Yes the census info >is public record if you want to travel all over the place and use the ornery >microfilm machines. And the family tree info is free because of just what >you said - it was provided by others for free. The family tree info at >ancestry is exactly the same as the family tree info at rootsweb - they are >mirror sites and paid for by ancestry.com. But as you noted, anything free >may not be reliable. > >I don't understand why some feel so passionate about this. Have you ever >bought a bottle of water? How much of the price is for the water? What about >load of firewood -do you think the seller had to buy a bunch of tires. >You're paying for his labor. Ever bought a box of cereal - the cost of the >grain (what the farmer gets) is miniscule compared to what you pay for the >box. > >Bill Mc > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:30 PM >Subject: Re: [TNMARION] survey > > >>Betty, I got one of these surveys yesterday and filled it out. >> >>The problem is, some questions are unanswerable because of the way they >were >>stated. Too bad. >> >>Some questions should not have been asked.......such as income, etc. That >>is none of their business and I checked "do not choose to answer" when I >>wanted to shout...."None of your #[email protected]%#$ business!!" >> >>It still makes me angry that one has to pay [if one chooses] for >information >>that was given freely by people seeking their ancestors. The problem is >>that a lot of that information is hearsay, therefore not credible. >>I have seen a lot of misinformation about my family line on the internet >and >>when I have written, phoned, and tried to correct it, I have, in essence, >>told by the person responsible for posting that misinformation, to 'butt >>out'. That is wrong, and the main reason so much of the information >>available is a hodge-podge of truth and outright lies. >> >>I willingly share my family information to those who ask, but I will never >>post it online to be sold. >> >>ginny >> >> >>==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== >>*********************************************************************** >> PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, >> requests for help, and other genealogical related information >> that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a >> possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no >>soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. >>Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . >> Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ >>*********************************************************************** >> >>============================== >>New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors >at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&t a >rgetid=5429 >> >> > > >==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== >*********************************************************************** > PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, > requests for help, and other genealogical related information > that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a > possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no >soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. >Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . > Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ >*********************************************************************** > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Bill, yeah, some firewood does smell like old tires! I meant that I resent paying for what was given freely. I don't resent paying for other stuff that has been made available like censuses, etc. Yes, I realize that it costs to have a website, and databases, etc. but it is the way in which they present it. I know that none of you will understand what I am trying to say, but it all comes down to false advertising but no one ever calls them on it. You're told it's available to search but when you go there, you have to join, which costs money that some cannot afford. That in itself can make a newbie searcher with no funds get discouraged about searching further. ginny

You make some very valid points, Bill. The census alone costs quite a bit to buy complete and Ancestry has hired people to do nothing but transcribe this so we have searchable indexes. I, for one, willl pay for that because it has been a great verifiable source of information in the past. In some ways, you can look at it like a software license. Yes it's information, but it's useless without the means to access it (i.e. CD, executable file, etc.). Just remember that anything you get from TN Archives or your State Dept. of Health comes with a hefty fee for each copy, so even that information isn't free. I agree that some things should never be charged for and as long as we're all willing to share what we can through sources like the Marion Co. website, so much the better. You never know what little tidbit just might break down the brick wall for someone else! Merry Christmas to everyone and good luck with your research... Donna wmcconne <[email protected]> wrote: :o) That's "trees" not "tires" Some of my firewood burns like tires. -----Original Message----- From: wmcconne To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [TNMARION] survey >I haven't seen the survey and I agree with some of your comments and >respectfully disagee on others. I know that Betty and I also disagree on >this. When you pay for genealogy material, it's not the material you're >really paying for. It's the effort to accumulate the info and present it in >such a way that it can be easily searched for. The alternative for many of >us would be to travel to many different libraries and courthouses all over >the US. Some of the material on ancestry.com came from books and databases >of others that they have to pay to put on their website. Yes the census info >is public record if you want to travel all over the place and use the ornery >microfilm machines. And the family tree info is free because of just what >you said - it was provided by others for free. The family tree info at >ancestry is exactly the same as the family tree info at rootsweb - they are >mirror sites and paid for by ancestry.com. But as you noted, anything free >may not be reliable. > >I don't understand why some feel so passionate about this. Have you ever >bought a bottle of water? How much of the price is for the water? What about >load of firewood -do you think the seller had to buy a bunch of tires. >You're paying for his labor. Ever bought a box of cereal - the cost of the >grain (what the farmer gets) is miniscule compared to what you pay for the >box. > >Bill Mc > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:30 PM >Subject: Re: [TNMARION] survey > > >>Betty, I got one of these surveys yesterday and filled it out. >> >>The problem is, some questions are unanswerable because of the way they >were >>stated. Too bad. >> >>Some questions should not have been asked.......such as income, etc. That >>is none of their business and I checked "do not choose to answer" when I >>wanted to shout...."None of your #[email protected]%#$ business!!" >> >>It still makes me angry that one has to pay [if one chooses] for >information >>that was given freely by people seeking their ancestors. The problem is >>that a lot of that information is hearsay, therefore not credible. >>I have seen a lot of misinformation about my family line on the internet >and >>when I have written, phoned, and tried to correct it, I have, in essence, >>told by the person responsible for posting that misinformation, to 'butt >>out'. That is wrong, and the main reason so much of the information >>available is a hodge-podge of truth and outright lies. >> >>I willingly share my family information to those who ask, but I will never >>post it online to be sold. >> >>ginny >> >> >>==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== >>*********************************************************************** >> PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, >> requests for help, and other genealogical related information >> that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a >> possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no >>soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. >>Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . >> Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ >>*********************************************************************** >> >>============================== >>New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors >at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&t a >rgetid=5429 >> >> > > >==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== >*********************************************************************** > PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, > requests for help, and other genealogical related information > that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a > possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no >soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. >Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . > Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ >*********************************************************************** > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > ==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== *********************************************************************** PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . 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I need to remind every one that our web page as well as this list is provided free of charge for all of us by rootsweb Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "wmcconne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [TNMARION] survey | :o) That's "trees" not "tires" Some of my firewood burns like tires. | | | -----Original Message----- | From: wmcconne <[email protected]> | To: [email protected] <[email protected]> | Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 2:57 PM | Subject: Re: [TNMARION] survey | | | >I haven't seen the survey and I agree with some of your comments and | >respectfully disagee on others. I know that Betty and I also disagree on | >this. When you pay for genealogy material, it's not the material you're | >really paying for. It's the effort to accumulate the info and present it in | >such a way that it can be easily searched for. The alternative for many of | >us would be to travel to many different libraries and courthouses all over | >the US. Some of the material on ancestry.com came from books and databases | >of others that they have to pay to put on their website. Yes the census | info | >is public record if you want to travel all over the place and use the | ornery | >microfilm machines. And the family tree info is free because of just what | >you said - it was provided by others for free. The family tree info at | >ancestry is exactly the same as the family tree info at rootsweb - they are | >mirror sites and paid for by ancestry.com. But as you noted, anything free | >may not be reliable. | > | >I don't understand why some feel so passionate about this. Have you ever | >bought a bottle of water? How much of the price is for the water? What | about | >load of firewood -do you think the seller had to buy a bunch of tires. | >You're paying for his labor. Ever bought a box of cereal - the cost of the | >grain (what the farmer gets) is miniscule compared to what you pay for the | >box. | > | >Bill Mc | > | > | > | >-----Original Message----- | >From: [email protected] <[email protected]> | >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> | >Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:30 PM | >Subject: Re: [TNMARION] survey | > | > | >>Betty, I got one of these surveys yesterday and filled it out. | >> | >>The problem is, some questions are unanswerable because of the way they | >were | >>stated. Too bad. | >> | >>Some questions should not have been asked.......such as income, etc. That | >>is none of their business and I checked "do not choose to answer" when I | >>wanted to shout...."None of your #[email protected]%#$ business!!" | >> | >>It still makes me angry that one has to pay [if one chooses] for | >information | >>that was given freely by people seeking their ancestors. The problem is | >>that a lot of that information is hearsay, therefore not credible. | >>I have seen a lot of misinformation about my family line on the internet | >and | >>when I have written, phoned, and tried to correct it, I have, in essence, | >>told by the person responsible for posting that misinformation, to 'butt | >>out'. That is wrong, and the main reason so much of the information | >>available is a hodge-podge of truth and outright lies. | >> | >>I willingly share my family information to those who ask, but I will never | >>post it online to be sold. | >> | >>ginny | >> | >> | >>==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== | >>*********************************************************************** | >> PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, | >> requests for help, and other genealogical related information | >> that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a | >> possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no | >>soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. | >>Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . | >> Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ | >>*********************************************************************** | >> | >>============================== | >>New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors | >at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: | >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&t | a | >rgetid=5429 | >> | >> | > | > | >==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== | >*********************************************************************** | > PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, | > requests for help, and other genealogical related information | > that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a | > possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no | >soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. | >Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . | > Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ | >*********************************************************************** | > | >============================== | >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. | >New content added every business day. Learn more: | >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx | > | | | ==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== | *********************************************************************** | PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, | requests for help, and other genealogical related information | that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a | possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. 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