--- Donna OBrien <[email protected]> wrote: > My husband is a chemist and he says it's actually > the oils in shaving cream that are harmful to the > older, porous stones because it gets into those > pores and can't be removed. Nonsense. Shaving cream is an emulsion which has water as its primary constituent. The pores in the stone have no bearing on the issue because regardless of their size, water ALWAYS has a smaller molecular diameter than any oil that is in shaving cream. Therefore, if the oil can get in the pore, then the water can get in there even easier. > If you'd really like > to see the effects of this, take some shaving cream > and try it on your sidewalk or garage floor. I don't think anybody ever said that shaving cream was not harmful to anything. It is similarly harmful to car paint. But it harming car paint is not an indication of its harmfulness on some other surface - this is a logical fallacy. Sure...don't put shaving cream on the tombstone if it is made from car paint, I'll concede that one. > I think the best advice is that which was given > earlier (sorry I don't remember who). Go and check > with the local funeral home or monument co. They > are very knowledgeable about the stones and can tell > you the best way to care for the stones which are > usually from a local quarry. Hmmm. Somehow I would think that someone who has experience in chemical weathering of stones would be better suited to give advice on the topic of chemical weathering of stones, seeing as how this is their professional training. If someone wants advice on chemical weathering of stones, why would they go anywhere OTHER than to a person whose profession is studying chemical weathering of stones?...I don't get it. > Let's face it, headstones are a part of our history > that we'd like to preserve the best way we can. So > many graves went unmarked, so if the family took the > time and hard-earned money to place a marker, we > should respect that. I agree. And I would point out that this preservation of headstones is not enhanced by believing old wives tales. Brock Way ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Out of respect for my fellow list-members, I won't dignify this with a response here -- we'll take it off the list. Donna Brock Way <[email protected]> wrote: --- Donna OBrien wrote: > My husband is a chemist and he says it's actually > the oils in shaving cream that are harmful to the > older, porous stones because it gets into those > pores and can't be removed. Nonsense. Shaving cream is an emulsion which has water as its primary constituent. The pores in the stone have no bearing on the issue because regardless of their size, water ALWAYS has a smaller molecular diameter than any oil that is in shaving cream. Therefore, if the oil can get in the pore, then the water can get in there even easier. > If you'd really like > to see the effects of this, take some shaving cream > and try it on your sidewalk or garage floor. I don't think anybody ever said that shaving cream was not harmful to anything. It is similarly harmful to car paint. But it harming car paint is not an indication of its harmfulness on some other surface - this is a logical fallacy. Sure...don't put shaving cream on the tombstone if it is made from car paint, I'll concede that one. > I think the best advice is that which was given > earlier (sorry I don't remember who). Go and check > with the local funeral home or monument co. They > are very knowledgeable about the stones and can tell > you the best way to care for the stones which are > usually from a local quarry. Hmmm. Somehow I would think that someone who has experience in chemical weathering of stones would be better suited to give advice on the topic of chemical weathering of stones, seeing as how this is their professional training. If someone wants advice on chemical weathering of stones, why would they go anywhere OTHER than to a person whose profession is studying chemical weathering of stones?...I don't get it. > Let's face it, headstones are a part of our history > that we'd like to preserve the best way we can. So > many graves went unmarked, so if the family took the > time and hard-earned money to place a marker, we > should respect that. I agree. And I would point out that this preservation of headstones is not enhanced by believing old wives tales. Brock Way ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== *********************************************************************** PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ *********************************************************************** ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx
Please lets drop this subject and I agree it needs to be taken care of off the list -- so NO FURTHER communication of agreement or disagreement on the list -- this has been dealt with off the list Betty McBee list administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna OBrien" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [TNMARION] shaving cream on tombstones | Out of respect for my fellow list-members, I won't dignify this with a response here -- we'll take it off the list. | | Donna | | Brock Way <[email protected]> wrote: | --- Donna OBrien wrote: | | > My husband is a chemist and he says it's actually | > the oils in shaving cream that are harmful to the | > older, porous stones because it gets into those | > pores and can't be removed. | | Nonsense. Shaving cream is an emulsion which has water | as its primary constituent. The pores in the stone | have no bearing on the issue because regardless of | their size, water ALWAYS has a smaller molecular | diameter than any oil that is in shaving cream. | Therefore, if the oil can get in the pore, then the | water can get in there even easier. | | > If you'd really like | > to see the effects of this, take some shaving cream | > and try it on your sidewalk or garage floor. | | I don't think anybody ever said that shaving cream was | not harmful to anything. It is similarly harmful to | car paint. But it harming car paint is not an | indication of its harmfulness on some other surface - | this is a logical fallacy. Sure...don't put shaving | cream on the tombstone if it is made from car paint, | I'll concede that one. | | > I think the best advice is that which was given | > earlier (sorry I don't remember who). Go and check | > with the local funeral home or monument co. They | > are very knowledgeable about the stones and can tell | > you the best way to care for the stones which are | > usually from a local quarry. | | Hmmm. Somehow I would think that someone who has | experience in chemical weathering of stones would be | better suited to give advice on the topic of chemical | weathering of stones, seeing as how this is their | professional training. If someone wants advice on | chemical weathering of stones, why would they go | anywhere OTHER than to a person whose profession is | studying chemical weathering of stones?...I don't get | it. | | > Let's face it, headstones are a part of our history | > that we'd like to preserve the best way we can. So | > many graves went unmarked, so if the family took the | > time and hard-earned money to place a marker, we | > should respect that. | | I agree. And I would point out that this preservation | of headstones is not enhanced by believing old wives | tales. | | Brock Way | | | | | ____________________________________________________ | Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page | http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs | | | | ==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== | *********************************************************************** | PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, | requests for help, and other genealogical related information | that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a | possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no | soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. | Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . | Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ | *********************************************************************** | | ============================== | Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the | areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. | Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx | | | | ==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== | *********************************************************************** | PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, | requests for help, and other genealogical related information | that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a | possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee.There is no | soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. | Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . | Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ | *********************************************************************** | | ============================== | View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find | marriage announcements and more. Learn more: | http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx | | |
GOOD GOING BETTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! macbetty <[email protected]> wrote:Please lets drop this subject and I agree it needs to be taken care of off the list -- so NO FURTHER communication of agreement or disagreement on the list -- this has been dealt with off the list Betty McBee list administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna OBrien" To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [TNMARION] shaving cream on tombstones | Out of respect for my fellow list-members, I won't dignify this with a response here -- we'll take it off the list. | | Donna | | Brock Way wrote: | --- Donna OBrien wrote: | | > My husband is a chemist and he says it's actually | > the oils in shaving cream that are harmful to the | > older, porous stones because it gets into those | > pores and can't be removed. | | Nonsense. Shaving cream is an emulsion which has water | as its primary constituent. The pores in the stone | have no bearing on the issue because regardless of | their size, water ALWAYS has a smaller molecular | diameter than any oil that is in shaving cream. | Therefore, if the oil can get in the pore, then the | water can get in there even easier. | | > If you'd really like | > to see the effects of this, take some shaving cream | > and try it on your sidewalk or garage floor. | | I don't think anybody ever said that shaving cream was | not harmful to anything. It is similarly harmful to | car paint. But it harming car paint is not an | indication of its harmfulness on some other surface - | this is a logical fallacy. Sure...don't put shaving | cream on the tombstone if it is made from car paint, | I'll concede that one. | | > I think the best advice is that which was given | > earlier (sorry I don't remember who). Go and check | > with the local funeral home or monument co. They | > are very knowledgeable about the stones and can tell | > you the best way to care for the stones which are | > usually from a local quarry. | | Hmmm. Somehow I would think that someone who has | experience in chemical weathering of stones would be | better suited to give advice on the topic of chemical | weathering of stones, seeing as how this is their | professional training. If someone wants advice on | chemical weathering of stones, why would they go | anywhere OTHER than to a person whose profession is | studying chemical weathering of stones?...I don't get | it. | | > Let's face it, headstones are a part of our history | > that we'd like to preserve the best way we can. So | > many graves went unmarked, so if the family took the | > time and hard-earned money to place a marker, we | > should respect that. | | I agree. And I would point out that this preservation | of headstones is not enhanced by believing old wives | tales. | | Brock Way | | | | | ____________________________________________________ | Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page | http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs | | | | ==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== | *********************************************************************** | PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, | requests for help, and other genealogical related information | that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a | possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. 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Hi Donna!!!! u were just trying to help!!!!!!!! the fact is that these tombstones need to taken care of properly and if u dont know what you're doing just leave them alone!!! hope this finds u & ur family well & happy God Bless ur cuz, Carol this is the last word on this from me Betty, keep up the good work!!!!! Donna OBrien <[email protected]> wrote: Out of respect for my fellow list-members, I won't dignify this with a response here -- we'll take it off the list. Donna Brock Way wrote: --- Donna OBrien wrote: > My husband is a chemist and he says it's actually > the oils in shaving cream that are harmful to the > older, porous stones because it gets into those > pores and can't be removed. Nonsense. Shaving cream is an emulsion which has water as its primary constituent. The pores in the stone have no bearing on the issue because regardless of their size, water ALWAYS has a smaller molecular diameter than any oil that is in shaving cream. Therefore, if the oil can get in the pore, then the water can get in there even easier. > If you'd really like > to see the effects of this, take some shaving cream > and try it on your sidewalk or garage floor. I don't think anybody ever said that shaving cream was not harmful to anything. It is similarly harmful to car paint. But it harming car paint is not an indication of its harmfulness on some other surface - this is a logical fallacy. Sure...don't put shaving cream on the tombstone if it is made from car paint, I'll concede that one. > I think the best advice is that which was given > earlier (sorry I don't remember who). Go and check > with the local funeral home or monument co. They > are very knowledgeable about the stones and can tell > you the best way to care for the stones which are > usually from a local quarry. Hmmm. Somehow I would think that someone who has experience in chemical weathering of stones would be better suited to give advice on the topic of chemical weathering of stones, seeing as how this is their professional training. If someone wants advice on chemical weathering of stones, why would they go anywhere OTHER than to a person whose profession is studying chemical weathering of stones?...I don't get it. > Let's face it, headstones are a part of our history > that we'd like to preserve the best way we can. So > many graves went unmarked, so if the family took the > time and hard-earned money to place a marker, we > should respect that. I agree. And I would point out that this preservation of headstones is not enhanced by believing old wives tales. Brock Way ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== *********************************************************************** PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ *********************************************************************** ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== *********************************************************************** PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee.There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ *********************************************************************** ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx One Nation Under God like it or lump it