you are so right Donna -- we didn't then nor do we now all fit in the same peg hole. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike & Donna OBrien To: tnmarion@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [TNMARION] messages Just putting in my 2 cents here on migration, etc. We have some stories that were handed down from one of my Grundy Co. relatives. She talks about her life growing up before and during the Civil War years. One of the things she mentioned was that "town" was a place full of sinful, worldly things. The women rarely went to town -- it was usually the men who went and bought the things they needed. She talks about one of the few times she ever went to town when the new railroad came through there. She mentions that the menfolk would go off for months at a time getting work and the family would stay behind because it cost too much to move them all. Especially the men that were loggers -- they moved about quite a bit looking for work. I really believed that the migration patterns followed a certain pattern like Bill suggested, but I also think there were lots of various individual reasons for moving from one place to another too. One of the stories that my ancestor related was how her cousins moved out west with the intention of getting to Texas. By the time they reached western Missouri, they had lost a baby and an older child to some illness. When her husband said it was time to move on, the wife said she was staying put and wouldn't move anymore. They are buried in Missouri and never made it to Texas. I guess my point is that, while there were "norms" of migration, you can never assume anything in your research. The documents will tell you where they went, but the "why" is not always apparent. Like Bill said, those trial transcripts are a wonderful tool because they give us an insight into how the society thought at the time. Donna macbetty2@peoplepc.com wrote: Mac and I were discussing this and he stated also a lot them came south because Chattanooga was the only industrial city for that time. He was saying that a lot , even in the 40's and 50's lived in a boarding house in Chattanooga during the week and came home to Marion and Franklin counties on the weekend . I asked why not just move the whole family to Chattanooga-- He was telling me how dirty the air was in Chattanooga was one reason ,and I assume that they owned property in the other counties as well, but just couldn't make a living from farming, logging or moonshining. Oh yes I am positive none of our ancestors would have ever been moonshiners LOL yea right --LOL It seems a long way to travel by the means available to them in those days for a short stay though. Was there a railroad for passengers that ran from Chattanooga to Marion and Franklin counties? It just seems odd that so many would come from the northern counties down to the most southern. As I know in the 1830's and 1840's era there were a lot that went to Ill. from Al and Tn because of the free land-- then it seems to have reversed it's self. I am aware the Civil War was part of the reason . The social aspect is indeed very interesting, especially when a lot of them were so remote. Odd, but what we conceive to be true is what we saw in the movies when we were kids too and this is definately not necessarily so. Such movies as the infamous Scarlet O'Hara is one example. A lot of them were very clannish type and wanted to be left alone, as you stated too. The country they came from had dictatorship type rulers and they were not all that happy with the Government that was formed here either-- trust was a big factor . I know the winters are a lot colder the further north you go and the growing season is not nearly as long either. The water in the west was another reason it was undeveloped any where but along the streams and rivers. For that matter it was a factor for anywhere. Sorry if this was rambling but was also doing a lot of thinking out loud too. uhmm????? Any one else have an opinion or facts to contribute? ----- Original Message ----- From: bill To: tnmarion@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 11:00 AM Subject: [TNMARION] messages Betty, I seem to be back to receiving only some of the messages posted to the list so if I don't respond you'll know why. I didn't get the one where you asked about migration. About 90% or more migration in the US for the first 200-300 years was from north to south and east to west. Very rarely will you find someone moving the other direction. I have always assumed that people were migrating towards lesser populated areas and therefor more readily available land. Over 90% of the people were farmers back then and were always looking for good cheap(and sometimes free) land. Also it seems that many people back then had an aversion to highly populated areas for whatever reason - just wanted to be left alone I guess. There were several aspects of that trial testimony that were very interesting I thought. One of them was the social "rules" that they lived by. I noticed that a couple of times it was mentioned that whites and blacks socialized much more before the civil war than afterwards when it became practically illegal partly due to the Jim Crow laws. So in that one aspect the war set the country backward in a social sense. I also picked up on something that I had seen before doing genealogy research and that was that many of the former slaves were still living on the property owned by the former "master" and now were tenant farmers. Wonder if their lives were really much different? I knew tenant farmers of both races when I was a child and although they were all technically free, practically speaking they weren't as their choices in life were severally limited. Also it was interesting how people's memories of someone, how they looked and what they did could vary so much. Probably tells you more about the witness than it does about the person they were describing. Bill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. 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That would be after the civil war that you are referring to then? My Great Great Grandparents moved from Tn and Al before then though ( 1830's to 1840's era) as my Great Grandmother was born in Ill along with several of her siblings. I have been told it was for free land??? Then My Grandfather disappeared from the census in late 1840's . Not sure if he died or abandoned them-- as next census she shows up with a new husband and child by him. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Bloss To: tnmarion@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: [TNMARION] Migration == while many moved for cheaper land, others moved for free land. Then some moved for jobs The African American family, the Osbournes, moved from mid TN to South Pittsburg for jobs at the cement plant and/or other plants My grandfather came to SP for a job at the cement plant, I think in the later half of the 1800's moving to find jobs started. Dick Bloss ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- macbetty2@peoplepc.com Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNMARION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A relative of Mac's explained it quite well when he said he had to make moonshine to survive and he considered it less evil than stealing and cheating -- which is a fact. The add is very interesting . You could be a jack of all trades if you bought that place -LOL From: Iley To: tnmarion@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [TNMARION] messages well betty maybe the following ad from 1831 might help you deside about the moonshining. FARM AND GOLD MINE FOR SALE. The subscriber offers to sell his farm, containing 88 acres, situated on the waters of Alston's creek, which empties into Green River. On said farm is a gold mine which as far as has been tested has proved to be rich and valuable. The same will be sold at private sale, for cash; and the purchaser may secure a bargain by examining and purchasing it. Also for sale, two new stills; one set of mill-stones. HAMPTON THOMPSON, White Oak, Rutherford Co., Sept. 3, 1831 Hampton was on the 1836 taxroll,had a place at the "Pot" over on the river ----- Original Message ----- From: <macbetty2@peoplepc.com> To: <tnmarion@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [TNMARION] messages > Mac and I were discussing this and he stated also a lot them came > south because Chattanooga was the only industrial city for that time. > He was saying that a lot , even in the 40's and 50's lived in a > boarding house in Chattanooga during the week and came home to Marion > and Franklin counties on the weekend . I asked why not just move the > whole family to Chattanooga-- He was telling me how dirty the air > was in Chattanooga was one reason ,and I assume that they owned property > in the other counties as well, but just couldn't make a living from > farming, logging or moonshining. Oh yes I am positive none of our > ancestors would have ever been moonshiners LOL yea right --LOL > It seems a long way to travel by the means available to them in those > days for a short stay though. Was there a railroad for passengers that > ran from Chattanooga to Marion and Franklin counties? > It just seems odd that so many would come from the northern counties > down to the most southern. As I know in the 1830's and 1840's era > there were a lot that went to Ill. from Al and Tn because of the free > land-- then it seems to have reversed it's self. I am aware the Civil > War was part of the reason . > The social aspect is indeed very interesting, especially when a lot of > them were so remote. Odd, but what we conceive to be true is what > we saw in the movies when we were kids too and this is definately not > necessarily so. Such movies as the infamous Scarlet O'Hara is one > example. > A lot of them were very clannish type and wanted to be left alone, as > you stated too. The country they came from had dictatorship type > rulers and they were not all that happy with the Government that was > formed here either-- trust was a big factor . > I know the winters are a lot colder the further north you go and the > growing season is not nearly as long either. The water in the west was > another reason it was undeveloped any where but along the streams and > rivers. For that matter it was a factor for anywhere. > Sorry if this was rambling but was also doing a lot of thinking out > loud too. uhmm????? > Any one else have an opinion or facts to contribute? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bill > To: tnmarion@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 11:00 AM > Subject: [TNMARION] messages > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- macbetty2@peoplepc.com Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNMARION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Betty, I seem to be back to receiving only some of the messages posted to the list so if I don't respond you'll know why. I didn't get the one where you asked about migration. About 90% or more migration in the US for the first 200-300 years was from north to south and east to west. Very rarely will you find someone moving the other direction. I have always assumed that people were migrating towards lesser populated areas and therefor more readily available land. Over 90% of the people were farmers back then and were always looking for good cheap(and sometimes free) land. Also it seems that many people back then had an aversion to highly populated areas for whatever reason - just wanted to be left alone I guess. There were several aspects of that trial testimony that were very interesting I thought. One of them was the social "rules" that they lived by. I noticed that a couple of times it was mentioned that whites and blacks socialized much more before the civil war than afterwards when it became practically illegal partly due to the Jim Crow laws. So in that one aspect the war set the country backward in a social sense. I also picked up on something that I had seen before doing genealogy research and that was that many of the former slaves were still living on the property owned by the former "master" and now were tenant farmers. Wonder if their lives were really much different? I knew tenant farmers of both races when I was a child and although they were all technically free, practically speaking they weren't as their choices in life were severally limited. Also it was interesting how people's memories of someone, how they looked and what they did could vary so much. Probably tells you more about the witness than it does about the person they were describing. Bill

Just putting in my 2 cents here on migration, etc. We have some stories that were handed down from one of my Grundy Co. relatives. She talks about her life growing up before and during the Civil War years. One of the things she mentioned was that "town" was a place full of sinful, worldly things. The women rarely went to town -- it was usually the men who went and bought the things they needed. She talks about one of the few times she ever went to town when the new railroad came through there. She mentions that the menfolk would go off for months at a time getting work and the family would stay behind because it cost too much to move them all. Especially the men that were loggers -- they moved about quite a bit looking for work. I really believed that the migration patterns followed a certain pattern like Bill suggested, but I also think there were lots of various individual reasons for moving from one place to another too. One of the stories that my ancestor related was how her cousins moved out west with the intention of getting to Texas. By the time they reached western Missouri, they had lost a baby and an older child to some illness. When her husband said it was time to move on, the wife said she was staying put and wouldn't move anymore. They are buried in Missouri and never made it to Texas. I guess my point is that, while there were "norms" of migration, you can never assume anything in your research. The documents will tell you where they went, but the "why" is not always apparent. Like Bill said, those trial transcripts are a wonderful tool because they give us an insight into how the society thought at the time. Donna macbetty2@peoplepc.com wrote: Mac and I were discussing this and he stated also a lot them came south because Chattanooga was the only industrial city for that time. He was saying that a lot , even in the 40's and 50's lived in a boarding house in Chattanooga during the week and came home to Marion and Franklin counties on the weekend . I asked why not just move the whole family to Chattanooga-- He was telling me how dirty the air was in Chattanooga was one reason ,and I assume that they owned property in the other counties as well, but just couldn't make a living from farming, logging or moonshining. Oh yes I am positive none of our ancestors would have ever been moonshiners LOL yea right --LOL It seems a long way to travel by the means available to them in those days for a short stay though. Was there a railroad for passengers that ran from Chattanooga to Marion and Franklin counties? It just seems odd that so many would come from the northern counties down to the most southern. As I know in the 1830's and 1840's era there were a lot that went to Ill. from Al and Tn because of the free land-- then it seems to have reversed it's self. I am aware the Civil War was part of the reason . The social aspect is indeed very interesting, especially when a lot of them were so remote. Odd, but what we conceive to be true is what we saw in the movies when we were kids too and this is definately not necessarily so. Such movies as the infamous Scarlet O'Hara is one example. A lot of them were very clannish type and wanted to be left alone, as you stated too. The country they came from had dictatorship type rulers and they were not all that happy with the Government that was formed here either-- trust was a big factor . I know the winters are a lot colder the further north you go and the growing season is not nearly as long either. The water in the west was another reason it was undeveloped any where but along the streams and rivers. For that matter it was a factor for anywhere. Sorry if this was rambling but was also doing a lot of thinking out loud too. uhmm????? Any one else have an opinion or facts to contribute? ----- Original Message ----- From: bill To: tnmarion@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 11:00 AM Subject: [TNMARION] messages Betty, I seem to be back to receiving only some of the messages posted to the list so if I don't respond you'll know why. I didn't get the one where you asked about migration. About 90% or more migration in the US for the first 200-300 years was from north to south and east to west. Very rarely will you find someone moving the other direction. I have always assumed that people were migrating towards lesser populated areas and therefor more readily available land. Over 90% of the people were farmers back then and were always looking for good cheap(and sometimes free) land. Also it seems that many people back then had an aversion to highly populated areas for whatever reason - just wanted to be left alone I guess. There were several aspects of that trial testimony that were very interesting I thought. One of them was the social "rules" that they lived by. I noticed that a couple of times it was mentioned that whites and blacks socialized much more before the civil war than afterwards when it became practically illegal partly due to the Jim Crow laws. So in that one aspect the war set the country backward in a social sense. I also picked up on something that I had seen before doing genealogy research and that was that many of the former slaves were still living on the property owned by the former "master" and now were tenant farmers. Wonder if their lives were really much different? I knew tenant farmers of both races when I was a child and although they were all technically free, practically speaking they weren't as their choices in life were severally limited. Also it was interesting how people's memories of someone, how they looked and what they did could vary so much. Probably tells you more about the witness than it does about the person they were describing. Bill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- macbetty2@peoplepc.com Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNMARION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. 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Mac and I were discussing this and he stated also a lot them came south because Chattanooga was the only industrial city for that time. He was saying that a lot , even in the 40's and 50's lived in a boarding house in Chattanooga during the week and came home to Marion and Franklin counties on the weekend . I asked why not just move the whole family to Chattanooga-- He was telling me how dirty the air was in Chattanooga was one reason ,and I assume that they owned property in the other counties as well, but just couldn't make a living from farming, logging or moonshining. Oh yes I am positive none of our ancestors would have ever been moonshiners LOL yea right --LOL It seems a long way to travel by the means available to them in those days for a short stay though. Was there a railroad for passengers that ran from Chattanooga to Marion and Franklin counties? It just seems odd that so many would come from the northern counties down to the most southern. As I know in the 1830's and 1840's era there were a lot that went to Ill. from Al and Tn because of the free land-- then it seems to have reversed it's self. I am aware the Civil War was part of the reason . The social aspect is indeed very interesting, especially when a lot of them were so remote. Odd, but what we conceive to be true is what we saw in the movies when we were kids too and this is definately not necessarily so. Such movies as the infamous Scarlet O'Hara is one example. A lot of them were very clannish type and wanted to be left alone, as you stated too. The country they came from had dictatorship type rulers and they were not all that happy with the Government that was formed here either-- trust was a big factor . I know the winters are a lot colder the further north you go and the growing season is not nearly as long either. The water in the west was another reason it was undeveloped any where but along the streams and rivers. For that matter it was a factor for anywhere. Sorry if this was rambling but was also doing a lot of thinking out loud too. uhmm????? Any one else have an opinion or facts to contribute? ----- Original Message ----- From: bill To: tnmarion@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 11:00 AM Subject: [TNMARION] messages Betty, I seem to be back to receiving only some of the messages posted to the list so if I don't respond you'll know why. I didn't get the one where you asked about migration. About 90% or more migration in the US for the first 200-300 years was from north to south and east to west. Very rarely will you find someone moving the other direction. I have always assumed that people were migrating towards lesser populated areas and therefor more readily available land. Over 90% of the people were farmers back then and were always looking for good cheap(and sometimes free) land. Also it seems that many people back then had an aversion to highly populated areas for whatever reason - just wanted to be left alone I guess. There were several aspects of that trial testimony that were very interesting I thought. One of them was the social "rules" that they lived by. I noticed that a couple of times it was mentioned that whites and blacks socialized much more before the civil war than afterwards when it became practically illegal partly due to the Jim Crow laws. So in that one aspect the war set the country backward in a social sense. I also picked up on something that I had seen before doing genealogy research and that was that many of the former slaves were still living on the property owned by the former "master" and now were tenant farmers. Wonder if their lives were really much different? I knew tenant farmers of both races when I was a child and although they were all technically free, practically speaking they weren't as their choices in life were severally limited. Also it was interesting how people's memories of someone, how they looked and what they did could vary so much. Probably tells you more about the witness than it does about the person they were describing. Bill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- macbetty2@peoplepc.com Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNMARION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

while many moved for cheaper land, others moved for free land. Then some moved for jobs The African American family, the Osbournes, moved from mid TN to South Pittsburg for jobs at the cement plant and/or other plants My grandfather came to SP for a job at the cement plant, I think in the later half of the 1800's moving to find jobs started. Dick Bloss ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Bill that is extremely interesting and as usual raises more questions than answers. One question I have is what is the connection to Hamilton, Marion Grundy etc. and the further north counties of Hawkins and Hancock? It seems that in more than one case they migrated from the northern counties to the southern counties. Why that particular direction? Any guess or facts as to reasoning on this migration? ----- Original Message ----- From: bill To: tnmarion@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 12:29 PM Subject: [TNMARION] Historical Trial Marilyn Garner was sent the following info by a Melungeon researcher. I find it fascinating in several respects. If you have researched Marion & Hamilton counties you will recognize some of the witnesses names and read their testimony about where they lived at various times, relationships, etc. This is the link to the website: http://jgoins.com/Hamilton_case.htm The info that was sent to Marilyn (the trial transcript) is the last link on the page "Notes/Shepherd Trial" I would suggest reading the info at the link "Lewis Shepherd ("Romance of the Melungeons')" first so that you will better understand what the trial is about. Bill Mc ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- macbetty2@peoplepc.com Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNMARION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very interesting stories and info .. thanks for sharing... deb In a message dated 5/9/2008 2:27:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wmcconne@bellsouth.net writes: Marilyn Garner was sent the following info by a Melungeon researcher. I find it fascinating in several respects. If you have researched Marion & Hamilton counties you will recognize some of the witnesses names and read their testimony about where they lived at various times, relationships, etc. This is the link to the website: http://jgoins.com/Hamilton_case.htm The info that was sent to Marilyn (the trial transcript) is the last link on the page "Notes/Shepherd Trial" I would suggest reading the info at the link "Lewis Shepherd ("Romance of the Melungeons')" first so that you will better understand what the trial is about. Bill Mc ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- macbetty2@peoplepc.com Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNMARION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

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Marilyn Garner was sent the following info by a Melungeon researcher. I find it fascinating in several respects. If you have researched Marion & Hamilton counties you will recognize some of the witnesses names and read their testimony about where they lived at various times, relationships, etc. This is the link to the website: http://jgoins.com/Hamilton_case.htm The info that was sent to Marilyn (the trial transcript) is the last link on the page "Notes/Shepherd Trial" I would suggest reading the info at the link "Lewis Shepherd ("Romance of the Melungeons')" first so that you will better understand what the trial is about. Bill Mc

Wow! Thanks for the info. Bill. This is great news. I will be happy to do look-ups for anyone on the list that would like me to; you just have to be patient as my schedule is jam-packed these days. Donna P.S. -- good luck with those old girlfriends Bill! LOL! bill <wmcconne@bellsouth.net> wrote: First a disclaimer. I am not promoting any paid service. I just want researchers to know what's available. In this case it's ancestry.com which many local libraries have access to and is free for you to use at the library. Ancestry.com has added a database called Tennessee State Marriages 1765-2002. As far as I can tell there are no Marion county marriages included in this database before 1880. There are 1,656 marriages listed for Marion in the 1880's and then no more until 1919. Fortunately Euline's books cover this "blank" period. For the 1880's marriage records, the index will take you to an actual image of the marriage book(s). Now the wow! part. Beginning about 1919 and through 2002 , it appears that any marriage that was recorded in Marion is in the database. The index will take you to an image of the marriage bond, marriage certificate or marriage certificate application with the return stub which the minister signs depending on which year you are searching in. These applications sometimes include one or more parents signatures. For example, I found my daughter's marriage application in 1993 including the minister's signature. Same for my sister who was married in 1967 and same for my parents who were married in 1941(this one also included the marriage bond). Also found the marriage bond and marriage certificate for my grandparents who were married in 1904 in White county. I did look up some old girl friends to see who they married but I have not fully explored this resource yet. Some points to remember: The dates I have given above for data availability apply only to Marion county - some counties have more of the older info. The data from the 4 largest counties is not included - same as is the case for most TN vital records online. There are numerious transcription errors in the index but I have not found that to be a problem in locating a marriage and then you can look at the actual record to see for yourself what it says. Bill Mc ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- macbetty2@peoplepc.com Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNMARION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

First a disclaimer. I am not promoting any paid service. I just want researchers to know what's available. In this case it's ancestry.com which many local libraries have access to and is free for you to use at the library. Ancestry.com has added a database called Tennessee State Marriages 1765-2002. As far as I can tell there are no Marion county marriages included in this database before 1880. There are 1,656 marriages listed for Marion in the 1880's and then no more until 1919. Fortunately Euline's books cover this "blank" period. For the 1880's marriage records, the index will take you to an actual image of the marriage book(s). Now the wow! part. Beginning about 1919 and through 2002 , it appears that any marriage that was recorded in Marion is in the database. The index will take you to an image of the marriage bond, marriage certificate or marriage certificate application with the return stub which the minister signs depending on which year you are searching in. These applications sometimes include one or more parents signatures. For example, I found my daughter's marriage application in 1993 including the minister's signature. Same for my sister who was married in 1967 and same for my parents who were married in 1941(this one also included the marriage bond). Also found the marriage bond and marriage certificate for my grandparents who were married in 1904 in White county. I did look up some old girl friends to see who they married but I have not fully explored this resource yet. Some points to remember: The dates I have given above for data availability apply only to Marion county - some counties have more of the older info. The data from the 4 largest counties is not included - same as is the case for most TN vital records online. There are numerious transcription errors in the index but I have not found that to be a problem in locating a marriage and then you can look at the actual record to see for yourself what it says. Bill Mc

Wow! Thanks for the info. Bill. This is great news. I will be happy to do look-ups for anyone on the list that would like me to; you just have to be patient as my schedule is jam-packed these days. Donna P.S. -- good luck with those old girlfriends Bill! LOL! bill <wmcconne@bellsouth.net> wrote: First a disclaimer. I am not promoting any paid service. I just want researchers to know what's available. In this case it's ancestry.com which many local libraries have access to and is free for you to use at the library. Ancestry.com has added a database called Tennessee State Marriages 1765-2002. As far as I can tell there are no Marion county marriages included in this database before 1880. There are 1,656 marriages listed for Marion in the 1880's and then no more until 1919. Fortunately Euline's books cover this "blank" period. For the 1880's marriage records, the index will take you to an actual image of the marriage book(s). Now the wow! part. Beginning about 1919 and through 2002 , it appears that any marriage that was recorded in Marion is in the database. The index will take you to an image of the marriage bond, marriage certificate or marriage certificate application with the return stub which the minister signs depending on which year you are searching in. These applications sometimes include one or more parents signatures. For example, I found my daughter's marriage application in 1993 including the minister's signature. Same for my sister who was married in 1967 and same for my parents who were married in 1941(this one also included the marriage bond). Also found the marriage bond and marriage certificate for my grandparents who were married in 1904 in White county. I did look up some old girl friends to see who they married but I have not fully explored this resource yet. Some points to remember: The dates I have given above for data availability apply only to Marion county - some counties have more of the older info. The data from the 4 largest counties is not included - same as is the case for most TN vital records online. There are numerious transcription errors in the index but I have not found that to be a problem in locating a marriage and then you can look at the actual record to see for yourself what it says. Bill Mc ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- macbetty2@peoplepc.com Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNMARION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for finding and steering us towards this important piece of information Bill. We all appreciate it. Jim. --- On Fri, 5/9/08, bill <wmcconne@bellsouth.net> wrote: > From: bill <wmcconne@bellsouth.net> > Subject: [TNMARION] New marriage info > To: tnmarion@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 7:20 AM > First a disclaimer. I am not promoting any paid service. I > just want > researchers to know what's available. In this case > it's ancestry.com which > many local libraries have access to and is free for you to > use at the > library. > > Ancestry.com has added a database called Tennessee State > Marriages > 1765-2002. As far as I can tell there are no Marion county > marriages > included in this database before 1880. There are 1,656 > marriages listed for > Marion in the 1880's and then no more until 1919. > Fortunately Euline's books > cover this "blank" period. For the 1880's > marriage records, the index will > take you to an actual image of the marriage book(s). > > Now the wow! part. Beginning about 1919 and through 2002 , > it appears that > any marriage that was recorded in Marion is in the > database. The index will > take you to an image of the marriage bond, marriage > certificate or marriage > certificate application with the return stub which the > minister signs > depending on which year you are searching in. These > applications sometimes > include one or more parents signatures. > > For example, I found my daughter's marriage application > in 1993 including > the minister's signature. Same for my sister who was > married in 1967 and > same for my parents who were married in 1941(this one also > included the > marriage bond). Also found the marriage bond and marriage > certificate for my > grandparents who were married in 1904 in White county. > > I did look up some old girl friends to see who they married > but I have not > fully explored this resource yet. > > Some points to remember: > > The dates I have given above for data availability apply > only to Marion > county - some counties have more of the older info. > > The data from the 4 largest counties is not included - same > as is the case > for most TN vital records online. > > There are numerious transcription errors in the index but I > have not found > that to be a problem in locating a marriage and then you > can look at the > actual record to see for yourself what it says. > > Bill Mc > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, > comments, > requests for help, and other genealogical related > information > that is of interest to researchers having a connection or > a > possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is > no > soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale > allowed. > Betty McBee - list administrator-- macbetty2@peoplepc.com > Marion County Web Site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNMARION-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

I meant to say she was the grandaughter of Lydia Anderson Cleveland, not daughter, sorry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannon Smith" <sdsmith@otelco.net> To: <tnmarion@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [TNMARION] 2008 Gizzard Reunion >I will try to come w/my grandmother Josephine Coffelt who is the daughter >of > John Cleveland and Lydia Anderson Cleveland from Orme. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anderson, Robert A." <andersonra@ornl.gov> > To: <tnmarion@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:01 PM > Subject: [TNMARION] 2008 Gizzard Reunion > > >> The date for the next Gizzard Reunion is Saturday, September 27th 2008 >> at the Foster Falls Campground Pavilion. Please note the location change >> this year. Foster Falls is located between Tracy City and Jasper on >> Highway 150/US41 (~ 5 miles southeast of Tracy City). If possible, bring >> a covered dish, dessert or drinks and also any old >> photos/genealogy/gossip items of interest for sharing. We will plan on >> eating at Noon CST but the pavilion is reserved all day long so come >> early and stay late if so inclined. Please call or write any >> kinfolk/friends that may be interested in attending but do not have >> access to email and web sites. For more info contact Barbara Myers @ >> 931-592-5480 or Tony Anderson @ 865-693-1763 or email ANR@ORNL.GOV . >> Hope to see you there on 9/27/2008! >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, >> requests for help, and other genealogical related information >> that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a >> possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no >> soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. >> Betty McBee - list administrator-- macbetty2@peoplepc.com >> Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNMARION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1415 - Release Date: 5/5/2008 >> 6:01 AM >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, > requests for help, and other genealogical related information > that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a > possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no > soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. > Betty McBee - list administrator-- macbetty2@peoplepc.com > Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNMARION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1415 - Release Date: 5/5/2008 > 6:01 AM >

I will try to come w/my grandmother Josephine Coffelt who is the daughter of John Cleveland and Lydia Anderson Cleveland from Orme. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anderson, Robert A." <andersonra@ornl.gov> To: <tnmarion@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: [TNMARION] 2008 Gizzard Reunion > The date for the next Gizzard Reunion is Saturday, September 27th 2008 > at the Foster Falls Campground Pavilion. Please note the location change > this year. Foster Falls is located between Tracy City and Jasper on > Highway 150/US41 (~ 5 miles southeast of Tracy City). If possible, bring > a covered dish, dessert or drinks and also any old > photos/genealogy/gossip items of interest for sharing. We will plan on > eating at Noon CST but the pavilion is reserved all day long so come > early and stay late if so inclined. Please call or write any > kinfolk/friends that may be interested in attending but do not have > access to email and web sites. For more info contact Barbara Myers @ > 931-592-5480 or Tony Anderson @ 865-693-1763 or email ANR@ORNL.GOV . > Hope to see you there on 9/27/2008! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, > requests for help, and other genealogical related information > that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a > possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no > soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. > Betty McBee - list administrator-- macbetty2@peoplepc.com > Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNMARION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1415 - Release Date: 5/5/2008 > 6:01 AM >

I will send a reminder in late summer or very early fall. Maybe gas will be under $1.00/gallon by then! Thanks, Tony -----Original Message----- From: tnmarion-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnmarion-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of macbetty2@peoplepc.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:27 PM To: tnmarion@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNMARION] 2008 Gizzard Reunion Tony thank you for letting us know this far ahead, as some of us really need to make plans way ahead, especially if you have to fly or save our pennies up for gas, if we drive. :-) Please remind all of us again closer to the date too. thanks Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: Anderson, Robert A. To: tnmarion@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: [TNMARION] 2008 Gizzard Reunion The date for the next Gizzard Reunion is Saturday, September 27th 2008 at the Foster Falls Campground Pavilion. Please note the location change this year. Foster Falls is located between Tracy City and Jasper on Highway 150/US41 (~ 5 miles southeast of Tracy City). If possible, bring a covered dish, dessert or drinks and also any old photos/genealogy/gossip items of interest for sharing. We will plan on eating at Noon CST but the pavilion is reserved all day long so come early and stay late if so inclined. Please call or write any kinfolk/friends that may be interested in attending but do not have access to email and web sites. For more info contact Barbara Myers @ 931-592-5480 or Tony Anderson @ 865-693-1763 or email ANR@ORNL.GOV . Hope to see you there on 9/27/2008! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- macbetty2@peoplepc.com Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNMARION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- macbetty2@peoplepc.com Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNMARION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The date for the next Gizzard Reunion is Saturday, September 27th 2008 at the Foster Falls Campground Pavilion. Please note the location change this year. Foster Falls is located between Tracy City and Jasper on Highway 150/US41 (~ 5 miles southeast of Tracy City). If possible, bring a covered dish, dessert or drinks and also any old photos/genealogy/gossip items of interest for sharing. We will plan on eating at Noon CST but the pavilion is reserved all day long so come early and stay late if so inclined. Please call or write any kinfolk/friends that may be interested in attending but do not have access to email and web sites. For more info contact Barbara Myers @ 931-592-5480 or Tony Anderson @ 865-693-1763 or email ANR@ORNL.GOV . Hope to see you there on 9/27/2008!

think positive and keep dreaming!! LOL :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Anderson, Robert A. To: tnmarion@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [TNMARION] 2008 Gizzard Reunion I will send a reminder in late summer or very early fall. Maybe gas will be under $1.00/gallon by then! Thanks, Tony -----Original Message----- From: tnmarion-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnmarion-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of macbetty2@peoplepc.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:27 PM To: tnmarion@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNMARION] 2008 Gizzard Reunion Tony thank you for letting us know this far ahead, as some of us really need to make plans way ahead, especially if you have to fly or save our pennies up for gas, if we drive. :-) Please remind all of us again closer to the date too. thanks Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: Anderson, Robert A. To: tnmarion@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: [TNMARION] 2008 Gizzard Reunion The date for the next Gizzard Reunion is Saturday, September 27th 2008 at the Foster Falls Campground Pavilion. Please note the location change this year. Foster Falls is located between Tracy City and Jasper on Highway 150/US41 (~ 5 miles southeast of Tracy City). If possible, bring a covered dish, dessert or drinks and also any old photos/genealogy/gossip items of interest for sharing. We will plan on eating at Noon CST but the pavilion is reserved all day long so come early and stay late if so inclined. Please call or write any kinfolk/friends that may be interested in attending but do not have access to email and web sites. For more info contact Barbara Myers @ 931-592-5480 or Tony Anderson @ 865-693-1763 or email ANR@ORNL.GOV . Hope to see you there on 9/27/2008! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- macbetty2@peoplepc.com Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNMARION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- macbetty2@peoplepc.com Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNMARION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- macbetty2@peoplepc.com Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNMARION-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message