This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/yhB.2ACI/266 Message Board Post: Could someone do a marriage lookup to see if you have a Pleasant E Bowman and Sarah Raser/Rajer c. 1825? Thanks so much. valerie boman

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BROWN/PITTMAN/MOORE/HUDSON/KANNESTER/LILLARD Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/yhB.2ACI/265.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello. My great grandmother was Lou "Lula" Ellen Pittman b. Nov 27, 1879 from Marion County TN who married Omer Houston Brown of Polk County, TN. Her parents were George Pittman and Sarah Basham. I understand they moved from Big Spring, TX when my great grandmother was a baby. Lula had these siblings that I know of: Mary P. Pittman Frances Pittman (female) John Pittman Do any of these names fit in with your research? Please write me back and let's share info if they do. Thank you very much. Clarice Sandidge Brackett

Bill has added an unknown picture sent in by Tony Anderson to our web page of unknowns -- thanks to both Tony and Bill Betty

My Dad, James L. Nelson, went to Red Hill School in 1929. He was six years old and in first grade. He walked about a mile from where he lived to the school. Lots of the kids had to walk a lot farther than that. Every day on the way to and from school, James and a friend of his, a boy with the last name of Moore, would have to go by the graveyard to get to school. The Moore boy would have to stop and pray at a certain tombstone every day on the way there and on the way home. James would wait for him to finish and then they would continue walking down that dirt road home. James wondered what he was praying about. Red Hill School was a one room school. It was a big room, about 24x32, wood frame, with a potbelly stove in the middle of it. There was only one teacher for all grades. There was six to eight kids for each grade. The teacher would have the other kids in the other grades to study while she was teaching one grade. This was amazing to James that just that one teacher could teach all those grades and keep everybody in line. Red Hill School was on the left side of the road when going toward Whitwell from Red Hill. There were no graves around the school but the graveyard was on the other side of the road. There now is a big graveyard on the same side as the school was on years ago. There was a pump outside with a handle on it that was called a pitcher pump. There was a well in the ground there. You brought your own drinking cup, to get a drink of water out you had to push that handle up and down to get the water to come out. You also had to bring your own lunch. James had a biscuit wrapped in newspaper. The kids who were a little better off had light bread. James would go swimming in a creek just down the road from where the Privetts lived. He would go swimming with his cousin, James Thompson. The water was just about knee deep but it felt good on those hot summer days. They would catch bull frogs in the culvert that wasn't far from the school. James Thompson would dress them and cook them. He'd have to keep the lid on to keep them from jumping out of the pan. They were supposed to be on their way to get milk in a glass jug but they made stops on the way. They also liked to catch crawfish. James's daddy, Dennis Nelson, was helping build the road from Whitwell to Palmer. This was why they were living at Red Hill. They lived one winter on Whitwell mountain in a tent. Cold ain't no name for that mountain in the wintertime! That tent was pretty warm though. One day, James and a Rollins boy were sent to the saw mill to get wood in the wagon that James's daddy had got him. He had bought James a billy goat to pull the wagon. The billy goat was pulling James, the Rollins boy and the wood in the wagon down that steep hill. They didn't have a brake on the wagon. That billy goat had to go in a fast run to keep the wagon from running over him coming down that hill. They were taking the wood to the tent. They had a little turn to make and that wagon turned over on top of them. The goat went one way, James and the Rollins boy went the other way, and the wood went another way! They got skint up a little bit but nothing too serious! James remembers a pretty girl at Red Hill School who was on crutches. She had lost a leg in an accident and couldn't go out and play with the other kids at school because of this. He felt bad for her. The Depression hit during this time and the work on the road was stopped. The road was shut down and James and his family moved to So. Pittsburg during this time because his daddy lost his job when the road work was stopped. They moved to Billy Goat Hill in So. Pittsburg and lived in a tent on the mountainside. All they owned was a green Model T Ford truck, some pots and pans, a stove, a lamp and that tent. James's daddy couldn't get work so his Mama, Pearl Nichols Nelson, worked whenever she could at the Hosiery Mill. James started going to Richard Hardy School but the other kids made fun of him because he was the new kid and because he lived in a tent. The other kids had houses. They were living in houses on company land that belonged to the cement company. They lived there because their Dads were working for the cement company. James's daddy would find ways to make a little money. He would walk up the mountain to the apple orchard on So. Pitts. mountain and pick two bushels of apples, carry them on his back in a sack, walk back down the mountain and walk to town to try and sell them for whatever he could get out of them. James would be right there with his daddy to help in any way he could. Dennis, James's daddy, could climb like a monkey too. One time at the Iron place that was in town, he bet a guy that got paid to work on the furnace pipes that he could climb up those pipes faster than he could. The guy took him up on the bet and when they said "go", Dennis took off up that pipe. When he got about half-way up the pipe, he looked down and saw the other guy walking off. He knew he had been beat so he didn't even try to race him. Those pipes were hundreds of feet in the air but this didn't faze him. He was described as "much man" and was strong as an ox. He worked for every dollar he made. He took care of his family and made them strong-willed like him. James Nelson went to Richard Hardy from the second grade up thru the eighth grade. This was from 1930-1938. He graduated from Richard Hardy in 1938. He has been described as the class clown by some of his classmates. He was his own person, though. He was not a follower of the crowd. This caused quite a few fights after school! In the Springtime, you could hear the drills from the cement plant going "chug, chug, chug". After hearing these all day, James would get so sleepy he would fall asleep and soon became known as "sleepy". These drills were old timey drills. They had a rope and bit on them and the drills churned in the ground. Over sixty years later James can still hear those drills going "chug-chug-chug". Richard Hardy was a school that was kept up inside and out. In those days, you didn't walk on the front lawn. You would be in trouble if you did. They wanted the lawn kept up nicely! They also had tennis courts. And all that marble inside is prettier than I can describe! James's teachers for sixth, seventh, and eighth grades were Juanita Dodson and Reba Kennedy. Mrs. Kennedy was a little woman but she was big on paddling! She didn't have a lot of patience and so she didn't care to paddle you! But, she was a good teacher. Mrs. Dodson had just got out of college when she was a teacher at Richard Hardy. She was a good teacher and she cared for the kids. She cried when she would have to paddle you so the kids tried to be good so they wouldn't get a paddling. They felt sorry for her when they made her have to paddle them. They didn't like to make her cry. On graduation day, James was the only one wearing overalls so he didn't want his picture made but the teacher told him to get in the picture. James says even though it has been over sixty years he still remembers how he felt about this. That is what made him a survivor, though, and a very strong person. It taught him to know how to be able to get through anything. Experiences like these can't be bought and James is a rich man by having these memories and using them to help others learn how to survive in this old world.

I also went to Kimball school - the first through 5th grade. One of our big recess activities was playing "annie over" behind the school and "over" the coal shed. We also played a lot of dodge ball and "breakup". Some of you will know what those games were. My mother felt like I needed to be acclimated to the big city before I hit high school so I was sent to South Pittsburg Elementary for the 6th grade. There were two 6th grade classes A and B(smart and dumb). In reality the two classes were A for the white collar and well to do families of South Pitt and B for the poorer kids and the country kids. There was very little political correctness in those days. I was in B and Mrs. Nation was by teacher. She was the sister of Galen(sp?) Story who was later my math teacher in high school and my favorite teacher of all time. Mrs. Hewgley taught A and in later times she and her family became close friends with my family. Her husband was Bill Hewgley who was my science teacher in High School. Shelia wrote: > Pauline Roberts Nelson, my Mama, went to Kimball school in 1937. She was > born the year of the depression, 1929. Times were tough then. She came > from a big family. Everyone had to help just to survive. She went to > school whenever she could but when the crops came in they had to help in > the fields. There wasn't time to go to school if there was more pressing > things to do. She did good in school, though, when she got to go. She > had A's, B's and a few C's. She would say that during those times you > wore what you had. You didn't have to have the latest styles. You wore > whatever would fit. And if it didn't fit you any more, it probably fit > your younger sister. If you had a sweater that had a hole in the sleeve, > you just folded that sweater in a way that the hole didn't show! One > time after a Christmas party at school, the teacher gave their family > the tree to take home with them so they could have a tree for Christmas. > And they were happy to get a nice, shiny red apple and maybe an orange > for Christmas. Her Dad would buy one of those big peppermint sticks and > break off chunks of it for them to eat. Pauline > loved the reading class when she went to school. She loved it because > she could get lost in another world when she would read. Recess was a > lot of fun too. You could skip rope, play hop scotch, play jacks, shoot > marbles or play the game "rolling a scotch". Rolling a scotch was when > you took a piece of wire with a u-shaped hook on the end and pushed a > wheel around with it. You would try to keep the wheel going as long as > you could. You would use a wood wagon wheel about twelve inches big if > you had it. Also, another fun thing to do would be to take the lid off > the lard can and use it for what is known as "frisbee" today. Lard came > in an eight pound bucket and the lid was metal so this was perfect to > throw. When you came in from school, you changed to your play > clothes. You kept your best clothes for school. Pauline and her sisters > and brothers had a very talented mother who could sew anything! All she > had to do was look at something in the Sears catalog and she could make > it. Flour sacks made some good dresses and shirts. She could write > really pretty, too. Her name was Bertha Lillian Chaudoin. She went to > school at the Sam Houston Academy. Her teacher in the sixth grade was > J.N. Sadler. This was in Dec. 1912. She later married John W. Roberts. > She wrote deeds for a family member who was in the courthouse. Her > sister, Eunice Chaudoin, who married a Graham, was a teacher. She was > first a student and later a teacher at Sam Houston Academy. Yes, > times were tough then, but it made people who were strong-willed and > smart in a way that no book can teach you. > > > > > > > > ==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== > *********************************************************************** > PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, > requests for help, and other genealogical related information > that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a > possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no > soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. > Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . > Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ > *********************************************************************** > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

Pauline Roberts Nelson, my Mama, went to Kimball school in 1937. She was born the year of the depression, 1929. Times were tough then. She came from a big family. Everyone had to help just to survive. She went to school whenever she could but when the crops came in they had to help in the fields. There wasn't time to go to school if there was more pressing things to do. She did good in school, though, when she got to go. She had A's, B's and a few C's. She would say that during those times you wore what you had. You didn't have to have the latest styles. You wore whatever would fit. And if it didn't fit you any more, it probably fit your younger sister. If you had a sweater that had a hole in the sleeve, you just folded that sweater in a way that the hole didn't show! One time after a Christmas party at school, the teacher gave their family the tree to take home with them so they could have a tree for Christmas. And they were happy to get a nice, shiny red apple and maybe an orange for Christmas. Her Dad would buy one of those big peppermint sticks and break off chunks of it for them to eat. Pauline loved the reading class when she went to school. She loved it because she could get lost in another world when she would read. Recess was a lot of fun too. You could skip rope, play hop scotch, play jacks, shoot marbles or play the game "rolling a scotch". Rolling a scotch was when you took a piece of wire with a u-shaped hook on the end and pushed a wheel around with it. You would try to keep the wheel going as long as you could. You would use a wood wagon wheel about twelve inches big if you had it. Also, another fun thing to do would be to take the lid off the lard can and use it for what is known as "frisbee" today. Lard came in an eight pound bucket and the lid was metal so this was perfect to throw. When you came in from school, you changed to your play clothes. You kept your best clothes for school. Pauline and her sisters and brothers had a very talented mother who could sew anything! All she had to do was look at something in the Sears catalog and she could make it. Flour sacks made some good dresses and shirts. She could write really pretty, too. Her name was Bertha Lillian Chaudoin. She went to school at the Sam Houston Academy. Her teacher in the sixth grade was J.N. Sadler. This was in Dec. 1912. She later married John W. Roberts. She wrote deeds for a family member who was in the courthouse. Her sister, Eunice Chaudoin, who married a Graham, was a teacher. She was first a student and later a teacher at Sam Houston Academy. Yes, times were tough then, but it made people who were strong-willed and smart in a way that no book can teach you.

Bonnie Tucker sent this and although I do believe she is a subscriber, it did show up as a nonsubscriber -- I am not sure that it showed up on the list , so I am posting it here for her to make sure it does go through . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I remember the coat,but I thought it was to keep you warm. I didn't know it was for a school play! I remember how pretty you looked in it.Seems like we have a picture of it don't we? Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelia" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:30 AM Subject: [TNMARION] another of my school memories

Hi Donna!!!! u were just trying to help!!!!!!!! the fact is that these tombstones need to taken care of properly and if u dont know what you're doing just leave them alone!!! hope this finds u & ur family well & happy God Bless ur cuz, Carol this is the last word on this from me Betty, keep up the good work!!!!! Donna OBrien <[email protected]> wrote: Out of respect for my fellow list-members, I won't dignify this with a response here -- we'll take it off the list. Donna Brock Way wrote: --- Donna OBrien wrote: > My husband is a chemist and he says it's actually > the oils in shaving cream that are harmful to the > older, porous stones because it gets into those > pores and can't be removed. Nonsense. Shaving cream is an emulsion which has water as its primary constituent. The pores in the stone have no bearing on the issue because regardless of their size, water ALWAYS has a smaller molecular diameter than any oil that is in shaving cream. Therefore, if the oil can get in the pore, then the water can get in there even easier. > If you'd really like > to see the effects of this, take some shaving cream > and try it on your sidewalk or garage floor. I don't think anybody ever said that shaving cream was not harmful to anything. It is similarly harmful to car paint. But it harming car paint is not an indication of its harmfulness on some other surface - this is a logical fallacy. Sure...don't put shaving cream on the tombstone if it is made from car paint, I'll concede that one. > I think the best advice is that which was given > earlier (sorry I don't remember who). Go and check > with the local funeral home or monument co. They > are very knowledgeable about the stones and can tell > you the best way to care for the stones which are > usually from a local quarry. Hmmm. Somehow I would think that someone who has experience in chemical weathering of stones would be better suited to give advice on the topic of chemical weathering of stones, seeing as how this is their professional training. If someone wants advice on chemical weathering of stones, why would they go anywhere OTHER than to a person whose profession is studying chemical weathering of stones?...I don't get it. > Let's face it, headstones are a part of our history > that we'd like to preserve the best way we can. So > many graves went unmarked, so if the family took the > time and hard-earned money to place a marker, we > should respect that. I agree. And I would point out that this preservation of headstones is not enhanced by believing old wives tales. Brock Way ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== *********************************************************************** PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ *********************************************************************** ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx ==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== *********************************************************************** PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee.There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ *********************************************************************** ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx One Nation Under God like it or lump it

GOOD GOING BETTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! macbetty <[email protected]> wrote:Please lets drop this subject and I agree it needs to be taken care of off the list -- so NO FURTHER communication of agreement or disagreement on the list -- this has been dealt with off the list Betty McBee list administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna OBrien" To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [TNMARION] shaving cream on tombstones | Out of respect for my fellow list-members, I won't dignify this with a response here -- we'll take it off the list. | | Donna | | Brock Way wrote: | --- Donna OBrien wrote: | | > My husband is a chemist and he says it's actually | > the oils in shaving cream that are harmful to the | > older, porous stones because it gets into those | > pores and can't be removed. | | Nonsense. Shaving cream is an emulsion which has water | as its primary constituent. The pores in the stone | have no bearing on the issue because regardless of | their size, water ALWAYS has a smaller molecular | diameter than any oil that is in shaving cream. | Therefore, if the oil can get in the pore, then the | water can get in there even easier. | | > If you'd really like | > to see the effects of this, take some shaving cream | > and try it on your sidewalk or garage floor. | | I don't think anybody ever said that shaving cream was | not harmful to anything. It is similarly harmful to | car paint. But it harming car paint is not an | indication of its harmfulness on some other surface - | this is a logical fallacy. Sure...don't put shaving | cream on the tombstone if it is made from car paint, | I'll concede that one. | | > I think the best advice is that which was given | > earlier (sorry I don't remember who). Go and check | > with the local funeral home or monument co. They | > are very knowledgeable about the stones and can tell | > you the best way to care for the stones which are | > usually from a local quarry. | | Hmmm. Somehow I would think that someone who has | experience in chemical weathering of stones would be | better suited to give advice on the topic of chemical | weathering of stones, seeing as how this is their | professional training. If someone wants advice on | chemical weathering of stones, why would they go | anywhere OTHER than to a person whose profession is | studying chemical weathering of stones?...I don't get | it. | | > Let's face it, headstones are a part of our history | > that we'd like to preserve the best way we can. So | > many graves went unmarked, so if the family took the | > time and hard-earned money to place a marker, we | > should respect that. | | I agree. 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Please lets drop this subject and I agree it needs to be taken care of off the list -- so NO FURTHER communication of agreement or disagreement on the list -- this has been dealt with off the list Betty McBee list administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna OBrien" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [TNMARION] shaving cream on tombstones | Out of respect for my fellow list-members, I won't dignify this with a response here -- we'll take it off the list. | | Donna | | Brock Way <[email protected]> wrote: | --- Donna OBrien wrote: | | > My husband is a chemist and he says it's actually | > the oils in shaving cream that are harmful to the | > older, porous stones because it gets into those | > pores and can't be removed. | | Nonsense. Shaving cream is an emulsion which has water | as its primary constituent. The pores in the stone | have no bearing on the issue because regardless of | their size, water ALWAYS has a smaller molecular | diameter than any oil that is in shaving cream. | Therefore, if the oil can get in the pore, then the | water can get in there even easier. | | > If you'd really like | > to see the effects of this, take some shaving cream | > and try it on your sidewalk or garage floor. | | I don't think anybody ever said that shaving cream was | not harmful to anything. It is similarly harmful to | car paint. But it harming car paint is not an | indication of its harmfulness on some other surface - | this is a logical fallacy. Sure...don't put shaving | cream on the tombstone if it is made from car paint, | I'll concede that one. | | > I think the best advice is that which was given | > earlier (sorry I don't remember who). Go and check | > with the local funeral home or monument co. They | > are very knowledgeable about the stones and can tell | > you the best way to care for the stones which are | > usually from a local quarry. | | Hmmm. Somehow I would think that someone who has | experience in chemical weathering of stones would be | better suited to give advice on the topic of chemical | weathering of stones, seeing as how this is their | professional training. If someone wants advice on | chemical weathering of stones, why would they go | anywhere OTHER than to a person whose profession is | studying chemical weathering of stones?...I don't get | it. | | > Let's face it, headstones are a part of our history | > that we'd like to preserve the best way we can. So | > many graves went unmarked, so if the family took the | > time and hard-earned money to place a marker, we | > should respect that. | | I agree. And I would point out that this preservation | of headstones is not enhanced by believing old wives | tales. | | Brock Way | | | | | ____________________________________________________ | Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page | http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs | | | | ==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== | *********************************************************************** | PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, | requests for help, and other genealogical related information | that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a | possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no | soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. | Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . | Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ | *********************************************************************** | | ============================== | Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the | areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. | Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx | | | | ==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== | *********************************************************************** | PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, | requests for help, and other genealogical related information | that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a | possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee.There is no | soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. | Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . | Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ | *********************************************************************** | | ============================== | View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find | marriage announcements and more. Learn more: | http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx | | |

Out of respect for my fellow list-members, I won't dignify this with a response here -- we'll take it off the list. Donna Brock Way <[email protected]> wrote: --- Donna OBrien wrote: > My husband is a chemist and he says it's actually > the oils in shaving cream that are harmful to the > older, porous stones because it gets into those > pores and can't be removed. Nonsense. Shaving cream is an emulsion which has water as its primary constituent. The pores in the stone have no bearing on the issue because regardless of their size, water ALWAYS has a smaller molecular diameter than any oil that is in shaving cream. Therefore, if the oil can get in the pore, then the water can get in there even easier. > If you'd really like > to see the effects of this, take some shaving cream > and try it on your sidewalk or garage floor. I don't think anybody ever said that shaving cream was not harmful to anything. It is similarly harmful to car paint. But it harming car paint is not an indication of its harmfulness on some other surface - this is a logical fallacy. Sure...don't put shaving cream on the tombstone if it is made from car paint, I'll concede that one. > I think the best advice is that which was given > earlier (sorry I don't remember who). Go and check > with the local funeral home or monument co. They > are very knowledgeable about the stones and can tell > you the best way to care for the stones which are > usually from a local quarry. Hmmm. Somehow I would think that someone who has experience in chemical weathering of stones would be better suited to give advice on the topic of chemical weathering of stones, seeing as how this is their professional training. If someone wants advice on chemical weathering of stones, why would they go anywhere OTHER than to a person whose profession is studying chemical weathering of stones?...I don't get it. > Let's face it, headstones are a part of our history > that we'd like to preserve the best way we can. So > many graves went unmarked, so if the family took the > time and hard-earned money to place a marker, we > should respect that. I agree. And I would point out that this preservation of headstones is not enhanced by believing old wives tales. Brock Way ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== *********************************************************************** PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ *********************************************************************** ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

--- Donna OBrien <[email protected]> wrote: > My husband is a chemist and he says it's actually > the oils in shaving cream that are harmful to the > older, porous stones because it gets into those > pores and can't be removed. Nonsense. Shaving cream is an emulsion which has water as its primary constituent. The pores in the stone have no bearing on the issue because regardless of their size, water ALWAYS has a smaller molecular diameter than any oil that is in shaving cream. Therefore, if the oil can get in the pore, then the water can get in there even easier. > If you'd really like > to see the effects of this, take some shaving cream > and try it on your sidewalk or garage floor. I don't think anybody ever said that shaving cream was not harmful to anything. It is similarly harmful to car paint. But it harming car paint is not an indication of its harmfulness on some other surface - this is a logical fallacy. Sure...don't put shaving cream on the tombstone if it is made from car paint, I'll concede that one. > I think the best advice is that which was given > earlier (sorry I don't remember who). Go and check > with the local funeral home or monument co. They > are very knowledgeable about the stones and can tell > you the best way to care for the stones which are > usually from a local quarry. Hmmm. Somehow I would think that someone who has experience in chemical weathering of stones would be better suited to give advice on the topic of chemical weathering of stones, seeing as how this is their professional training. If someone wants advice on chemical weathering of stones, why would they go anywhere OTHER than to a person whose profession is studying chemical weathering of stones?...I don't get it. > Let's face it, headstones are a part of our history > that we'd like to preserve the best way we can. So > many graves went unmarked, so if the family took the > time and hard-earned money to place a marker, we > should respect that. I agree. And I would point out that this preservation of headstones is not enhanced by believing old wives tales. Brock Way ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

My husband is a chemist and he says it's actually the oils in shaving cream that are harmful to the older, porous stones because it gets into those pores and can't be removed. This can eventually discolor the stones that are white sandstone. I wouldn't try it on any of the sandstone markers that are so prevalent in Tennessee. If you'd really like to see the effects of this, take some shaving cream and try it on your sidewalk or garage floor. It leaves a noticeable discoloration after only a few minutes. The longer it's there, the more it collects dirt, etc. and gets darker with time. I think the best advice is that which was given earlier (sorry I don't remember who). Go and check with the local funeral home or monument co. They are very knowledgeable about the stones and can tell you the best way to care for the stones which are usually from a local quarry. Let's face it, headstones are a part of our history that we'd like to preserve the best way we can. So many graves went unmarked, so if the family took the time and hard-earned money to place a marker, we should respect that. And as a cautionary point, in some states it's illegal to take rubbings or put anything on older stones. Donna Brock Way <[email protected]> wrote: The information on shaving cream from the savinggraves site is nothing more than pseudoscientific babble. It is the fully paranoid fears of some folks who have clearly never studied either organic chemistry or geology. Their analysis of the actions of stearic acid (for example) is fundamentally flawed both in terms of simple logic and from a chemistry point-of-view. For example, the site equates hydrochloric acid (a mineral acid that is one of the strongest acids on the planet) with stearic acid (an organic acid the strength of which is so weak that it cannot even be measured in aqueous solution, but has to be approximated by interpolation from its acid series) - this is a fallacy. Furthermore, it ignores the fact that the stearic acid is pH balanced with the addition of a base. Etc., etc. Did you ever wonder why NOBODY has ever shown even the slightest shred of *scientific* evidence to support the notion that shaving cream harms tombstones? It is because there ISN'T ANY! Please, ignore the stories about how a friend of someone's aunt Edna put shaving cream on a tombstone and it exploded, and let's leave the scientific analysis of chemical weathering of stone monuments to the scientists, and not to those who clearly have no professional training, but who have only unfounded fears. Brock Way From: "macbetty" Subject: reading tombstones I have received two different sights , both saying pretty much the same thing thank you Nelda and Delbert the only safe way is to use reflected sun light. (USE A MIRROR) Never apply anything to a stone. Sometimes a video shows the writing better then a normal camera. Cemetery Conservation and Tombstone Care http://www.progenealogists.com/tombstonecare.htm Good article on why not to use shaving cream (or really any other substance) http://www.savinggraves.org/education/bookshelf/shavingcream.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== *********************************************************************** PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, requests for help, and other genealogical related information that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ *********************************************************************** ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

Here is another story I remember about school. It's also about my Mama, Pauline Roberts Nelson............"The Little Fur Coat"..........When I was in about the first grade, I was in a school play. Some of the part that I had to play was to sit on this park bench where it was supposed to be wintertime with snow all around. I had on this beautiful fur coat and everyone, including all the teachers, told me how beautiful my fur coat was. I told them that my Mama had made it. I also told them "thank you" because that was how I was raised--to always say thank you when given a compliment. No one could believe that my Mama had made this coat for me though. It didn't look like it was hand-made. It was too beautiful. But yes, she did. She had made it. She stayed up late at night to finish sewing my coat so it would be ready in time for the play. It was a creme colored coat with matching hat and hand warmer. I was very proud of that coat. I was also proud of Mama. She was a person of many talents--some often hidden. She could sew and sing and anything else she put her mind to. She was a woman of many talents and all of them as beautiful as she was...and as beautiful as that fur coat that she had made for me that year for the school play.

In a message dated 8/3/2005 11:29:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: The Association for Gravestone Studies - FAQ OOPs! I fogot the URL http://www.gravestonestudies.org/faq.htm#Some%20Gravestone%20Rubbings%20Dos%20 and%20Don'ts

The information on shaving cream from the savinggraves site is nothing more than pseudoscientific babble. It is the fully paranoid fears of some folks who have clearly never studied either organic chemistry or geology. Their analysis of the actions of stearic acid (for example) is fundamentally flawed both in terms of simple logic and from a chemistry point-of-view. For example, the site equates hydrochloric acid (a mineral acid that is one of the strongest acids on the planet) with stearic acid (an organic acid the strength of which is so weak that it cannot even be measured in aqueous solution, but has to be approximated by interpolation from its acid series) - this is a fallacy. Furthermore, it ignores the fact that the stearic acid is pH balanced with the addition of a base. Etc., etc. Did you ever wonder why NOBODY has ever shown even the slightest shred of *scientific* evidence to support the notion that shaving cream harms tombstones? It is because there ISN'T ANY! Please, ignore the stories about how a friend of someone's aunt Edna put shaving cream on a tombstone and it exploded, and let's leave the scientific analysis of chemical weathering of stone monuments to the scientists, and not to those who clearly have no professional training, but who have only unfounded fears. Brock Way From: "macbetty" <[email protected]> Subject: reading tombstones I have received two different sights , both saying pretty much the same thing thank you Nelda and Delbert the only safe way is to use reflected sun light. (USE A MIRROR) Never apply anything to a stone. Sometimes a video shows the writing better then a normal camera. Cemetery Conservation and Tombstone Care http://www.progenealogists.com/tombstonecare.htm Good article on why not to use shaving cream (or really any other substance) http://www.savinggraves.org/education/bookshelf/shavingcream.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

re; send in school memories--ok, here is one from me. To keep from making anybody mad, (ha ha) I will put only the initial of my teacher. It's a funny story though so hope u enjoy it! ..........."FALLing Leaves" ........ As the leaves start changing color and falling to the ground, it takes me back to a time when I was in school...Our class assignment was to bring in different leaves and tell the names of them. I had one leaf that little did I know was going to bring me lots of grief! Miss B. was one of those "know it all" teachers and couldn't wait to find a way to correct anyone she came in contact with. On that fateful day, she decided to pick me..thrill....So, she picks up one of the leaves I had brought in and shows it to the class. Then she asks me the name of it. I said "shoemake". She laughed and said "No, you are wrong". I said "No, that's what my Mama said it was and she does not lie". Miss B. got that gleam in her eye (like the wicked witch from "The Wizard of Oz") and I knew she was up to her old bag of tricks. I could just hear her saying "Don't be afraid, my pre-e-e-e-ty", (just like in the movie--but this wasn't a movie....it was real life aka school and she had found a new carcass to pick the bones of...and it was me! So, as she keeps the gleam in her eye for the whole class to see, she picks up the dictionary and says "Nelson, I want you to find this "shoemake" in the dictionary". Little did I know that it was not to be found....no leaf in there by the name of shoemake! So, after I hunt and hunt, she says "Aha! You didn't find it, DID you? And the REASON you didn't find it? Because there IS NO TREE by the name of shoemake so there IS NO LEAF from a shoemake....it is SUMAC!" So, when I got home I was so mad because she had tried to make a liar out of me (or so it seemed to me!). I couldn't wait to tell Mama what she had done! I figured Mama would be as mad as I was but to my surprise she laughed! She said "Yes, we always called it shoemake but sumac is the proper name". (Our family never was worried too much about proper anyway...we were just down to earth people.) So, since Mama wasn't mad, I didn't figure I had a reason to be mad anymore. She always remembered this story though and got a good laugh out of it. I think really she was just proud that I stood up to that teacher--even if I was wrong in the process!

Oh how funny , that does remind me of one about our oldest daughter -- She started to school in another state, but had made numerous trips to Tn to visit the relatives. While in Kindergarten for her first week of school, her teacher asked if any of the children spoke a different language. She raised her hand and said she could speak Tennessean. Needless to say we got a phone call from a very hysterically laughing kindergarten teacher. Now where she came up with this we have no idea and never figured it out, but now she has graduated from college with her third degree, (we call her our professional student) we keep asking her what she used for her foreign language requirement-- LOL -- She still turns red. I better not tell the tales I know about her Daddy's school day adventures though :-) Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelia" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [TNMARION] school days | re; send in school memories--ok, here is one from me. To keep from | making anybody mad, (ha ha) I will put only the initial of my teacher. | It's a funny story though so hope u enjoy it! ..........."FALLing | Leaves" ........ As the leaves start changing color and falling to the | ground, it takes me back to a time when I was in school...Our class | assignment was to bring in different leaves and tell the names of them. | I had one leaf that little did I know was going to bring me lots of | grief! Miss B. was one of those "know it all" teachers and couldn't wait | to find a way to correct anyone she came in contact with. On that | fateful day, she decided to pick me..thrill....So, she picks up one of | the leaves I had brought in and shows it to the class. Then she asks me | the name of it. I said "shoemake". She laughed and said "No, you are | wrong". I said "No, that's what my Mama said it was and she does not | lie". Miss B. got that gleam in her eye (like the wicked witch from "The | Wizard of Oz") and I knew she was up to her old bag of tricks. I could | just hear her saying "Don't be afraid, my pre-e-e-e-ty", (just like in | the movie--but this wasn't a movie....it was real life aka school and | she had found a new carcass to pick the bones of...and it was me! So, as | she keeps the gleam in her eye for the whole class to see, she picks up | the dictionary and says "Nelson, I want you to find this "shoemake" in | the dictionary". Little did I know that it was not to be found....no | leaf in there by the name of shoemake! So, after I hunt and hunt, she | says "Aha! You didn't find it, DID you? And the REASON you didn't find | it? Because there IS NO TREE by the name of shoemake so there IS NO LEAF | from a shoemake....it is SUMAC!" So, when I got home I was so mad | because she had tried to make a liar out of me (or so it seemed to me!). | I couldn't wait to tell Mama what she had done! I figured Mama would be | as mad as I was but to my surprise she laughed! She said "Yes, we always | called it shoemake but sumac is the proper name". (Our family never was | worried too much about proper anyway...we were just down to earth | people.) So, since Mama wasn't mad, I didn't figure I had a reason to be | mad anymore. She always remembered this story though and got a good | laugh out of it. I think really she was just proud that I stood up to | that teacher--even if I was wrong in the process! | | | | | | | | | | ==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== | *********************************************************************** | PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and replies, comments, | requests for help, and other genealogical related information | that is of interest to researchers having a connection or a | possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. There is no | soliciting or advertising of any item or service for sale allowed. | Betty McBee - list administrator-- [email protected] . | Marion County Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ | *********************************************************************** | | ============================== | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx | |

My daughter had the same experience, except we had just moved to Tennessee from California. She couldn't understand the accent, so she thought they were speaking a foreign language. They didn't understand her either. She actually got spanked her very first day of school. We moved to Guild a couple of weeks after school had started. The other children had learned not to talk during learning time, but she hadn't been to school yet, so she was pretty excited. The teacher met with a very "excited" mother the next morning when she arrived at school, too. In California the teachers do not spank children. I wouldn't have been so upset, but I didn't think it was fair on her very first day. Didn't get her started too well, she didn't want to go back. 8-( --- macbetty <[email protected]> wrote: > Oh how funny , that does remind me of one > about our oldest > daughter -- She started to school in another > state, but had made > numerous trips to Tn to visit the relatives. > While in Kindergarten for her first week of > school, her teacher > asked if any of the children spoke a different > language. She raised > her hand and said she could speak Tennessean. > Needless to say we > got a phone call from a very hysterically > laughing kindergarten > teacher. Now where she came up with this we > have no idea and never > figured it out, but now she has graduated from > college with her third > degree, (we call her our professional student) we > keep asking her what > she used for her foreign language requirement-- > LOL -- She still turns > red. > I better not tell the tales I know about her > Daddy's school day > adventures though :-) > Betty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shelia" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:48 PM > Subject: Re: [TNMARION] school days > > > | re; send in school memories--ok, here is one from > me. To keep from > | making anybody mad, (ha ha) I will put only the > initial of my teacher. > | It's a funny story though so hope u enjoy it! > ..........."FALLing > | Leaves" ........ As the leaves start changing > color and falling to the > | ground, it takes me back to a time when I was in > school...Our class > | assignment was to bring in different leaves and > tell the names of them. > | I had one leaf that little did I know was going to > bring me lots of > | grief! Miss B. was one of those "know it all" > teachers and couldn't wait > | to find a way to correct anyone she came in > contact with. On that > | fateful day, she decided to pick me..thrill....So, > she picks up one of > | the leaves I had brought in and shows it to the > class. Then she asks me > | the name of it. I said "shoemake". She laughed and > said "No, you are > | wrong". I said "No, that's what my Mama said it > was and she does not > | lie". Miss B. got that gleam in her eye (like the > wicked witch from "The > | Wizard of Oz") and I knew she was up to her old > bag of tricks. I could > | just hear her saying "Don't be afraid, my > pre-e-e-e-ty", (just like in > | the movie--but this wasn't a movie....it was real > life aka school and > | she had found a new carcass to pick the bones > of...and it was me! So, as > | she keeps the gleam in her eye for the whole class > to see, she picks up > | the dictionary and says "Nelson, I want you to > find this "shoemake" in > | the dictionary". Little did I know that it was not > to be found....no > | leaf in there by the name of shoemake! So, after I > hunt and hunt, she > | says "Aha! You didn't find it, DID you? And the > REASON you didn't find > | it? Because there IS NO TREE by the name of > shoemake so there IS NO LEAF > | from a shoemake....it is SUMAC!" So, when I got > home I was so mad > | because she had tried to make a liar out of me (or > so it seemed to me!). > | I couldn't wait to tell Mama what she had done! I > figured Mama would be > | as mad as I was but to my surprise she laughed! > She said "Yes, we always > | called it shoemake but sumac is the proper name". > (Our family never was > | worried too much about proper anyway...we were > just down to earth > | people.) So, since Mama wasn't mad, I didn't > figure I had a reason to be > | mad anymore. She always remembered this story > though and got a good > | laugh out of it. I think really she was just proud > that I stood up to > | that teacher--even if I was wrong in the process! > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | ==== TNMARION Mailing List ==== > | > *********************************************************************** > | PLEASE NOTE: This list is for queries and > replies, comments, > | requests for help, and other genealogical related > information > | that is of interest to researchers having a > connection or a > | possible connection to Marion County, Tennessee. > There is no > | soliciting or advertising of any item or service > for sale allowed. > | Betty McBee - list administrator-- > [email protected] . > | Marion County Web Site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmario2/ > | > *********************************************************************** > | > | ============================== > | Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million > records added in the > | last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > world. 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Since its almost time for back to school, I was wondering if anyone had any school memories they would like to share--that is, if its ok with Miss Betty.