David, Thank you for the fascinating website on Christmas customs! Genevieve Scott Bell

http://www.uttyl.edu/vbetts/christmas.htm Christmas Articles from Civil War Newspapers I think it was on this list late last year that someone has asked what Christmas would have been like about 1850. The item above is interesting reading and not far off in time. As I expected, there is not a mention of a Christmas tree anywhere. That was a late nineteenth century addition to Christmas in the United States. A drwaing in one paper showed Santa wearing "striped knee britches with three buttons, striped stockings." The red-suited Santa we all love was the creation of mass market Coca Cola advertisements. One thing which did strike me is that in 1860 the commercialization of Christmas was already well underway. David

Was wondering if the person looking for Bowling/Boling /Bollings has any connections to the ones in Fayette Co,Tn or Marshal Co,Ms through the Alexander Bowling line or Tandy Bowling line have other names as well. Tela

I have Polly May ( Probably Polly was a MARY) married to WADE USSERY. I have not dates for these folks, as the info was found on various pages of un-sourced genealogical info of my grandmother's. I also have a DEMPSEY USSERY married to EMILY JOHNSON, a dau of OBEDIAH JOHNSON. Married 3 Mar 1852. SOURCE:Marriage Record Book Madison Co.Tn. 1838-1871 I don;t know if these Usserys are related although it's my guess that they are. I have EMily Johnson Ussery's place of death as Missouri, no date. She was born ca 1834, which I calculated from her age at time of 1850 census. I have no dates on Dempsey. Don't know if that helps at all. Nancy In a message dated 2/28/04 10:17:18 PM, ihunt4kin@hotmail.com writes: << House #978 Wade URSERY 49 m NC Mary 40 f NC Robert 9 m MS Thomas 11 m MS Mary A 7 f MS Nancy 5 f MS Zachary T 3 m MS And this is strange but on page 361 there is the following family which appears to be the same one as above: p361, Dist 17, 15 Nov 1850, Image 293 House #3 Wade URSERY 37 m Far NC Mary 30 f NC William T 10 m MS Robert D 8 m MS: Mary A 6 f MS Nancy C 4 f MS Zachary T 2 m MS It appears that the census taker may have visited the Wade USSERY household twice and had two different results. It was only a day later, so one would think he would have remembered. The same censustaker was listed on both pages. _____

Any USSERY reserachers out there? Does anyone recognize these in the 1850 Madison Co, TN, census? p337A, Dist 13 ,30 Oct 1850, Ancestry Image # 246 House #670 George URSERY 40 m Far NC Lucy 35 f TN Eliza 10 f TN John 8 m TN Henry C 6 m TN Daniel 4 m TN Elizabeth 3 f TN Sally EASTWOOD 50 f NC Nearby: House # 677 Aisy Jordan 43 m far 250 GA Jane 25 f NC (Jane USSERY) Zachariah 7 m TN Mahala 4 f TN Abigail 2 f TN Neighbors: TAYLOR, TEMPLE, WINFREY, CRENSHAW, Jordan MOON, SHARP Living nearby in same district is his brother: Jackson Jordan 36 m farmer 800 TN Martha 33 f NC (Also an USSERY) Martha J 15 f TN Mary A 12 f TN Tabitha A 10 f TN Sarah B 8 f TN Eliza A 7 f TN Fanny 6 f TN Andrew J 4 m TN William T H 2 m TN Milas F 1 m TN David Vinson 17 m TN Neighbors: YATES, DICKERSON, TURNER, HILL, SMITH Dist 17 p359, 14 Nov 1850 House # 971 Tillman URSERY 34 m Far NC Nancy 26 f NC Warren J? 10 m TN John M 9 m TN Amanda 7 f TN James D 4 m TN Mary 2 f TN Judith Bell 7/12 TN House # 976 James URSERY m Far 200 NC Nancy 60 NC Lucy 28 f NC James 3 f TN Mary 1 f TN House #978 Wade URSERY 49 m NC Mary 40 f NC Robert 9 m MS Thomas 11 m MS Mary A 7 f MS Nancy 5 f MS Zachary T 3 m MS And this is strange but on page 361 there is the following family which appears to be the same one as above: p361, Dist 17, 15 Nov 1850, Image 293 House #3 Wade URSERY 37 m Far NC Mary 30 f NC William T 10 m MS Robert D 8 m MS: Mary A 6 f MS Nancy C 4 f MS Zachary T 2 m MS It appears that the census taker may have visited the Wade USSERY household twice and had two different results. It was only a day later, so one would think he would have remembered. The same censustaker was listed on both pages. _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx

I ordered a death certificate from this site and received a very timely reply and am awaiting my certificate the first of next week. Lisa Ing Jackson, TN ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Donahue" <ddonahue@netease.net> To: <TNMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: [TNMADISO] Death Certificate Message is Commercial Advertisement > The message about Tennessee Death Certificates seems to be a commercial > advertisement, not a list member being helpful. I guess it is not really > span since it is not being done aurtomatically and in mass, but the > poster is working his way through every Tennessee County one by one. > > David > > > > ==== TNMADISO Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hey all, I was concerned about this company as you all were so I did a little looking into it. I wrote to the person and this was his reply: Thanks for your inquiry. We launched our business after retiring about 6 months ago and purchased copies of all the microfilm for available Tennessee death certificates at that time. We had previously offered the same services and more when we lived in Tennessee prior to 1996 but had to walk away from it when the company transferred us to South Carolina. The BBB here does not offer membership until you have been in business one full year. Apparently a lady in Texas that has used our service and was much frustrated with the Tennessee Archives has been posted positive feedback about us on many forums and the last few days have seen a nice boost in business for us. If you're interested in checking us out but want to proceed with caution, you could place a very small or single order to test the waters and come to your own conclusion about our service. Where did you hear about us? Thanks again for enquiring. Phillip Gowan ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Donahue" <ddonahue@netease.net> To: <TNMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: [TNMADISO] Death Certificate Message is Commercial Advertisement > The message about Tennessee Death Certificates seems to be a commercial > advertisement, not a list member being helpful. I guess it is not really > span since it is not being done aurtomatically and in mass, but the > poster is working his way through every Tennessee County one by one. > > David > > > > ==== TNMADISO Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Please do not continue to give her support by talking about it on the list. Just delete the messages. My usual reaction of warning and then removal does not help with this spammer because you already have the message. Kathleen Burnett List Mom

UNCLE WILLIAM DICKERSON WAS NOT FOUND DEAD OUT IN HARTS BRIDGE COMMUNITY. I FOUND OUT YESTERDAY THAT UNCLE BILL AND FAMILY LIVED ON HIGHLAND AVE. HERE IN JACKSON SO WE NOW KNOW HE WAS KILLED IN JACKSON OR WAS KILLED AND BROUGHT TO JACKSON AND PUT ON RR TRACKS. HE HAD BEEN OUT AT THE HARTSBRIDGE COMMUNITY CENTER AND NEVER GOT HOME. SURE WOULD LOVE TO SOLVE THIS MYSTERY. WAS HE MURDERED AS HIS FAMILY THOUGHT AND AS HIS DAUGHTER STILL BELEIVES HE WAS OR NOT? HE WAS MARRIED TO ESTELLE HALL MY GREAT AUNT. THEY HAD FOUR CHILDREN. AS I SAID I AM INTERESTED IN HIS PARENTS AND SIBLINGS AS WELL AS HIS CAUSE OF DEATH. WHY MY AUNT DID NOT INSIST ON AN INVESTIGATION WE WILL NEVER KNOW SINCE SHE IS NOW DEAD ALSO.I HAD NEVER KNOWN ANY OF THIS UNTIL RECENTLY. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEA WHO WAS ON POLICE DEPT. BACK THEN? (1937 0R 38)COULD'NT HAVE BEEN A VERY LARGE POLICE BACK THEN,COULD IT? SORRY,DID NOT MEAN TO KEEP RAMBLING ON BUT I AM JUST TRYING TO FIGURE THIS ALL OUT. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. BESSIE

The message is from a lady that is spamming all the Tennessee counties and Tennessee Cemetery lists. Her messages have been taken off of the message boards, but her messages came through on the mailing list. She is probably going to a library that has the death certificates on microfilm, making copies for a quarter and then selling them for $4.00 and up. > [Original Message] > From: David Donahue <ddonahue@netease.net> > To: <TNMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 2/27/2004 8:35:43 PM > Subject: [TNMADISO] Death Certificate Message is Commercial Advertisement > > The message about Tennessee Death Certificates seems to be a commercial > advertisement, not a list member being helpful. I guess it is not really > span since it is not being done aurtomatically and in mass, but the > poster is working his way through every Tennessee County one by one. > > David > > > > ==== TNMADISO Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I checked the site out and decided to have nothing to do with it. Prices are cheap but no information about the company or organization...who are they? I have gotten the same advertisement from several lists I am subscribed to. I hate to say it but it didn't pass the smell test. R. Barnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Donahue" <ddonahue@netease.net> To: <TNMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: [TNMADISO] Death Certificate Message is Commercial Advertisement > The message about Tennessee Death Certificates seems to be a commercial > advertisement, not a list member being helpful. I guess it is not really > span since it is not being done aurtomatically and in mass, but the > poster is working his way through every Tennessee County one by one. > > David > > > > ==== TNMADISO Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for > removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

There was a message a a few days ago about a man murdered in the 1930s. He and his brother are supposed to be buried at Liberty Grove in unmarked graves. I meant to save this message but accidentally erased it. If anyone still has it cound you forward a copy to me. Thanks. David ddonahue@netease.net

The message about Tennessee Death Certificates seems to be a commercial advertisement, not a list member being helpful. I guess it is not really span since it is not being done aurtomatically and in mass, but the poster is working his way through every Tennessee County one by one. David

Following reply was meant to be in answer to: TNMADISO-D Digest V04 #32  Ref: #2 Re: [TNMADISO] SCOTT, HALTOM, DEBE   [SNOOK99@aol.com] A hasty reply to tell you that I am delighted that you have got in touch with me.  I assume that you are familiar the Haltom mailing list, which is where I have obtained most information on Hester Ann Haltom.  Where do you fit in?  I am most interested.  Only I do not have time just now to discuss further.  What I have is mainly Scott and Haltom but my cousin and I have been finding other family connections. Regards, Genevieve Scott Bell

A hasty reply to tell you that I am delighted that you have got in touch with me. I assume that you are familiar the Haltom mailing list, which is where I have obtained most information on Hester Ann Haltom. Where do you fit in? I am most interested. Only I do not have time just now to discuss further. What I have is mainly Scott and Haltom but my cousin and I have been finding other family connections. Regards, Genevieve Scott Bell

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JgB.2ACE/1052 Message Board Post: If any body needs death certificates for Madison County, try this website: www.tndeathcertificates.com I've been ordering from them for over a month and they have a really fast turnaround and offer several services not available through the Tennessee State archives.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JgB.2ACE/1051 Message Board Post: If you need copies of Tennessee death certificates for Madison County, check out this website: www.tndeathcertificates.com I've been using them for over a month and get very prompt turnaround compared to the TN State Archives and they offer several services not available through the archives

Thanks much for sending this information. I'll be using it for sure. The genealogical community gets gold stars for sharing! Appreciated. Lynne -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com [mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of tbowling@airmail.net Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:27 PM To: TNMADISO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TNMADISO] Tennessee Death Certificates/Tennessee Death Records This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JgB.2ACE/1050 Message Board Post: I've been using a really good online service to get Tennessee death certificates and they are fast, much faster than the Tennessee State Archives, and offer a bunch of different services that nobody else seems to have. And besides they;re cheaper. I've put in several orders and gotten them all in about a week and it takes over a month if I order them from Nashville. The website is: www.tndeathcertificates.com ==== TNMADISO Mailing List ==== If you wish to unsubscribe from the Madison Co., TN list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to TNMADISO-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the Digest List to TNMADISO-d-request@rootsweb.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Does anyone who lives in Madison or an adjacent county own or have access to a scanner that can handle 11 x 17 originals? I really would like to use one for maybe three hours to complete the scanning of James Hanna's "Maps of Madison County, Tennessee Historical and Genealogical." http://www.tngenweb.org/madison/history/map-01.htm David

I am connected to this family line as well, but I don't have the info you need. I would love to compare notes and perhaps fill in some blanks. My connection is mostly through the Haltom line. You can e-mail me directly. Thanks! Sheri