When different markers appear in the Y comparisons, is that maybe a dominant gene from possibly a mother? When you are testing Y DNA, most of the markers will appear the same for each generation, right? Bascially this proves that the person you tested will display the same markers as the generations preceding him. any variations from that would be possibly a dominent or recessive gene picked up along the way or possibly doubled or negated at some point? Clear as mud, huh? Since my tree does not branch much, I may have some interesting results. My great grandparents had in common the same ancestor, about 2 generations apart. But, thankfully, I don't have 6 webbed toes per foot. I really appreciate you all taking the time to answer my questions. Many thanks. Donna Will be getting back to you more in the future, as it seems I am related to half of Lincoln ct. by blood or marriage. > From: scotsman@cafes.net > To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 21:56:20 -0500 > Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question > > Donna, > > > > My money (literally) is on FamilyTreeDNA..... > > > > In three years of yDNA comparison, even with Oxford University - the home of > Bryan Sykes, the "father" of this stuff - FamilyTreeDNA wins hands down in > my book. It's a bit more expensive but, in the quality and the utility of > the product, they stand head and shoulders above other genetic test > facilities. In my comparisons and explorations with people who have used > other facilities, (just ME now) their process and product seems > "rinky-dink." I'm not saying it isn't legitimate, I'm just saying there are > sometimes "issues" because each company is trying to establish something > that is unique about their testing which might, at some point, give them an > advantage in garnering more of the market share. Good for them - maybe not > so good for the consumer. > > > > PLUS - if you go on FTDNA's website and join a surname project BEFORE you > buy the test, you get an appreciable discount on the prices by purchasing > your test from the project website. AND - don't forget - around the > holidays, etc, they do run special sale prices on testing. > > > > I started out with a 37 marker yDNA test with FamilyTree, that was about > three years ago this last month. The thing about a 37 marker test is that if > there is a match and the person matching you has done a 67 marker test, you > IMMEDIATELY start to wonder just how close the match would be if YOU had the > 67 marker test too! > > > > That's what happened to me exactly. I had a genetic distance of 2 with my > match and I couldn't rest until I got the upgrade to 67 markers. What I > learned from that upgrade was that, out of the additional 30 markers, we > only had 1 more marker that had mutated - at 67 markers we had a genetic > distance of 3......that's important when you start trying to connect common > ancestors generationally. > > > > Please listen to everyone who gives you input on who does the best job. I'm > sure you can see that I am well won over by FTDNA, but don't let that be > your sole guiding light - some folks like Fords, some Chevrolets, but some > folks like Buicks and Cadillacs. So listen to it all, weigh what you hear, > and make your best selection. It's a lot of money for most of us and you > don't want to regret your choice after that kind of outlay. > > > > Good luck! > > Donnie > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Hanlon" <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> > To: "Lincoln ct TN List" <tnlincol-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:00 PM > Subject: [TNLINCOL] DNA question > > > > > > I would like to check my Swaner DNA. I have located a direct line of > > males(father to son) from my generation directly back to our first known > > Swaner born 1790's. > > > > > > > > I have also found a Swanner line supposedly linked with ours that is also > > a direct male line back to its first known ancestor born 1850 LCT. > > > > > > > > Also have found the direct Y line for my Beavers family dating back to > > 1840 AL. > > > > > > > > All these would be a straight back male link or Y chromosome strain (no > > females break the line). > > > > > > > > My question is, since there are so many companies offering this research, > > who is the best and most affordably priced? AND who is most reliable and > > easy to read? I am also interested in checking for the Native American > > strain in both Beavers and Swaner lines. > > > > > > > > Your opinion matters very much to me. Thank you. 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Donna, The Y DNA is strictly passed along from father to son, MOSTLY unchanged (except for the occasional single-marker mutation), generation after generation. The mother plays no part at all in the yDNA and none of her genes are represented in any Y comparison - that's why the person having the test must be a male direct descendant for this to work. Any male having the yDNA test will be testing only the Y chromosome. Children, both male and female, inherit all of their mitochondrial DNA (or mtDNA) from their mother. All of a mother's sons will bear only her mtDNA and, because they are biologically incapable of passing that along to their offspring, male OR female, it dies with them. Biologically, the male can pass on nothing but yDNA. The genetic test for Indian ancestry is indeed a separate test. Now I'll leave the Indian ancestry question to others on the list, BUT - I would THINK that any positive test for Indian ancestry in the yDNA would mean that the progenitor of that particular male line was a full blood Indian. Again I would THINK that any other Indian genetic influence in any direct male European, Asian, or African line would be the result of mtDNA of the maternal ancestry a particular generation. I'd like to hear more from someone on the LCT list who's actually had a genetic test for Indian ancestry, or who's explored it and knows more about it. I have some Indian ancestry myself but it is in my grandfather's maternal line and I wouldn't THINK it would show up in me at all. ?????????????? Now I promise to be quiet this time! Donnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Hanlon" <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> To: "LCT list" <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question When different markers appear in the Y comparisons, is that maybe a dominant gene from possibly a mother? When you are testing Y DNA, most of the markers will appear the same for each generation, right? Bascially this proves that the person you tested will display the same markers as the generations preceding him. any variations from that would be possibly a dominent or recessive gene picked up along the way or possibly doubled or negated at some point? Clear as mud, huh? Since my tree does not branch much, I may have some interesting results. My great grandparents had in common the same ancestor, about 2 generations apart. But, thankfully, I don't have 6 webbed toes per foot. I really appreciate you all taking the time to answer my questions. Many thanks. Donna Will be getting back to you more in the future, as it seems I am related to half of Lincoln ct. by blood or marriage.

Hi All,   I have been following the discussions on DNA with interest.  I agree with Donnie Porter's comments and would like to share my personal DNA experience with the group.    I am the moderator for the Rootsweb Tallman List and we had subscribed to DNA testing with FTDNA, both Y and mtDNA. I can't fault FTDNA for their work, but I do have reservations of how people apply the information to their genealogical data.  If you read the fine print, identical matches are not a 100% guarentee that the individuals are related, but rather a high probability.  If that's OK with you, fine.  I consider it a guide for further research. I prefer the dusty and moldy old records.   I also did mtDNA search for my native American line.  My Dad told me that his Grandmother  was a Cherokee Princess.  I used that comment at Cherokee Web site and was laughed at.  Seems an Indian Princess is not a complimentory term.  Regarding the mtDNA, one needs an uninterupted female line, which I had.  I was advised that all I could expect was a NO or a MAYBE.  So, I'm still at "MAYBE" and stonewalled.   I'll join Donnie and keep my mouth shut.   Bob Tallman       Sun, 10/4/09, Donnie F. Porter <scotsman@cafes.net> wrote: From: Donnie F. Porter <scotsman@cafes.net> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 3:56 PM Donna, The Y DNA is strictly passed along from father to son, MOSTLY unchanged (except for the occasional single-marker mutation), generation after generation. The mother plays no part at all in the yDNA and none of her genes are represented in any Y comparison - that's why the person having the test must be a male direct descendant for this to work. Any male having the yDNA test will be testing only the Y chromosome. Children, both male and female, inherit all of their mitochondrial DNA (or mtDNA) from their mother. All of a mother's sons will bear only her mtDNA and, because they are biologically incapable of passing that along to their offspring, male OR female, it dies with them. Biologically, the male can pass on nothing but yDNA. The genetic test for Indian ancestry is indeed a separate test. Now I'll leave the Indian ancestry question to others on the list, BUT - I would THINK that any positive test for Indian ancestry in the yDNA would mean that the progenitor of that particular male line was a full blood Indian. Again I would THINK that any other Indian genetic influence in any direct male European, Asian, or African line would be the result of mtDNA of the maternal ancestry a particular generation. I'd like to hear more from someone on the LCT list who's actually had a genetic test for Indian ancestry, or who's explored it and knows more about it. I have some Indian ancestry myself but it is in my grandfather's maternal line and I wouldn't THINK it would show up in me at all. ?????????????? Now I promise to be quiet this time! Donnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Hanlon" <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> To: "LCT list" <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question When different markers appear in the Y comparisons, is that maybe a dominant gene from possibly a mother? When you are testing Y DNA, most of the markers will appear the same for each generation, right? Bascially this proves that the person you tested will display the same markers as the generations preceding him.  any variations from that would be possibly a dominent or recessive gene picked up along the way or possibly doubled or negated at some point? Clear as mud, huh? Since my tree does not branch much, I may have some interesting results. My great grandparents had in common the same ancestor, about 2 generations apart. But, thankfully, I don't have 6 webbed toes per foot. I really appreciate you all taking the time to answer my questions. Many thanks. Donna Will be getting back to you more in the future, as it seems I am related to half of Lincoln ct. by blood or marriage. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Donnie. I can especially considered the Y test because I have male cousins who are sons of sons of sons and so on, strictly male descendants in a direct line. Others of us are daughters of fathers in that line, but there are not straight male descendancy. For instance my great grandfather was a direct male from the Swaner progenitor, but it then goes to my grandmother(female) to my dad to me(female) and I have one son who has one daughter. It is every other one in my direct line. Sooo, I chose to ask a cousin who has the same great grandfather but there are only males back for at least 4 more generations. Where the results should get interesting is when the same lines merge about 2-3 generations down from the progenitor. My great grandparents were cousins but from different generations. The Swaner progenitor's eldest son's grandaughter(Callie) married the progenitor's youngest son's middle son(Jerry). Not sure how may times they are "removed". But both greats carry some of the very same genes with the exception that hers will reflect more of her father's (Weaver) than from her Swaner mother. Confused yet? This is why I am testing the Y only. The Beavers line is very short and very direct. Thank goodness. I did some reading on the FTDNA site last nite to aquaint myself a little with the background and process. Hardly a simple process. The more I read on different tests the more confusing it became so I backed off and confimred the Y is still the best way to go. I did notice that FTDNA offered those who signed on with other testing organizations to upgrade and have thier info analyzed. > From: scotsman@cafes.net > To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 14:56:09 -0500 > Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question > > Donna, > > > > The Y DNA is strictly passed along from father to son, MOSTLY unchanged > (except for the occasional single-marker mutation), generation after > generation. The mother plays no part at all in the yDNA and none of her > genes are represented in any Y comparison - that's why the person having the > test must be a male direct descendant for this to work. Any male having the > yDNA test will be testing only the Y chromosome. > > > > Children, both male and female, inherit all of their mitochondrial DNA (or > mtDNA) from their mother. All of a mother's sons will bear only her mtDNA > and, because they are biologically incapable of passing that along to their > offspring, male OR female, it dies with them. Biologically, the male can > pass on nothing but yDNA. > > > > The genetic test for Indian ancestry is indeed a separate test. > > > > Now I'll leave the Indian ancestry question to others on the list, BUT - I > would THINK that any positive test for Indian ancestry in the yDNA would > mean that the progenitor of that particular male line was a full blood > Indian. Again I would THINK that any other Indian genetic influence in any > direct male European, Asian, or African line would be the result of mtDNA of > the maternal ancestry a particular generation. > > > > I'd like to hear more from someone on the LCT list who's actually had a > genetic test for Indian ancestry, or who's explored it and knows more about > it. I have some Indian ancestry myself but it is in my grandfather's > maternal line and I wouldn't THINK it would show up in me at all. > > > > ?????????????? > > > Now I promise to be quiet this time! > > Donnie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Hanlon" <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> > To: "LCT list" <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question > > > > When different markers appear in the Y comparisons, is that maybe a dominant > gene from possibly a mother? When you are testing Y DNA, most of the markers > will appear the same for each generation, right? Bascially this proves that > the person you tested will display the same markers as the generations > preceding him. any variations from that would be possibly a dominent or > recessive gene picked up along the way or possibly doubled or negated at > some point? Clear as mud, huh? > > > > Since my tree does not branch much, I may have some interesting results. My > great grandparents had in common the same ancestor, about 2 generations > apart. But, thankfully, I don't have 6 webbed toes per foot. > > > > I really appreciate you all taking the time to answer my questions. Many > thanks. Donna > > > > Will be getting back to you more in the future, as it seems I am related to > half of Lincoln ct. by blood or marriage. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/