Don't count on it! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Family Tracker" <familytracker@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 2:34 PM To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] TNLINCOL Digest, Vol 5, Issue 21 > Please don't confuse "information" with "media". The old census data > (information) was preserved and archived on paper (media). I am sure that > the 2010 census data (information) will be also be preserved....only this > time on computer discs (media). And I'm sure, some time after most of us > have passed, it will all be available to future generations on line. Heck, > I'll even bet iPhones will have an "app" for that! > > Relax > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <tnlincol-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 2:56 PM > Subject: TNLINCOL Digest, Vol 5, Issue 21 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Re 2010 census blog (Donna Hanlon) >> 2. Re: Re 2010 census blog (Marleen Van Horne) >> 3. Re: Re 2010 census blog (Donna Hanlon) >> 4. 1890,1930 & 2010 Census (Julia Molitz) >> 5. Re: 1890,1930 & 2010 Census (Sam Jobe) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:21:08 -0600 >> From: Donna Hanlon <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Re 2010 census blog >> To: LCT list <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <SNT139-w5338371DA873F02CCB8909C73C0@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Makes you wonder the reasoning behind destroying a very important >> document >> like this one when they supposedly still have the partially destroyed >> 1930 >> in storage. If it is too big to keep, that is understandable, but >> microfilm copies don't take much room.... Should there be an uprising of >> public sentiment to preserve the documents. A few years ago, wasn't there >> some kind of similar situation about the 1930? >> >>> From: Quickcrunch@aol.com >>> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:07:08 -0500 >>> To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [TNLINCOL] Re 2010 census blog >>> >>> The below link, as given by Leatherman, will take you there. I was just >>> there without any problem. Perhaps if the link as posted by Rootsweb has >>> an >>> extra character before the first h and another at the end you will need >>> to >>> copy between them or delete them before a copy and paste into your ISP >>> line, >>> or before hitting it within the post as a link... >>> >>> Yes, censuses are important down the line. My grandmother was trying to >>> obtain a delayed birth certificate as she needed to prove her birth was >>> in >>> 1878; she had two of the criteria and needed one more. She did not >>> realize >>> she was on the 1880 census where her age/birth year matched up with her >>> other >>> criteria. We did not discover this until after she had passed on. >>> Aileen >>> >>> _http://blog.capecodgensoc.org/2010/02/save-2010-census-no-images-to-be.html >>> _ >>> (http://blog.capecodgensoc.org/2010/02/save-2010-census-no-images-to-be.html) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 07:34:12 -0800 >> From: Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> >> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Re 2010 census blog >> To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <4B8BDE74.2070101@jps.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> My understanding is that the 1930 census, was first water damaged when >> the water used to put out a fire in the Department of Commerce building >> flowed into the basement where the census was stored. A number of years >> later some dim bulb in the government, sent the mess to the dump, about >> 1938. Only a few fragmented counties remain, and they are available if >> you are so lucky to have ancestors who lived in those places. >> >> As to the 2010 census, again my understanding is that only a sampling of >> households will be sent the full form with the type of questions, the >> answers to which are useful to genealogists. The rest of us will get >> short forms that only address the statistics they are looking for. >> >> I personally think this is a great rip off of the American people by >> more dim bulb bureaucrats. My inclination is not to respond. If people >> who object to the shoddy job that is planned, boycott the census, they >> may have to rethink what they are doing. >> >> Marleen Van Horne >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:50:53 -0600 >> From: Donna Hanlon <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Re 2010 census blog >> To: LCT list <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <SNT139-w56F34F81724F159315E29EC73C0@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> I totally agree about the level of IQ involved in the handling of the >> census and it value when not everyone will receive the same level of >> questions. How can this be a fair assessment of our population, vital >> statistics and diversity? However, since it is a government mandated info >> collection, I wonder if we have the right to refuse to answer the >> questions. By the same token, they(govt) relies on our honesty in filling >> out the blanks with the truth and nothing but the truth. I can see some >> real flaws in the system. Now they have you on GPS, so if you fail to >> return the form, I guess they hunt you down. Just my humble opinion. >> >> We filled them out in1990, 2000. Don't remember even getting one in the >> years prior. We lived in the same house from 1967-1991. Looking forward >> to >> the 1940 being released. Not sure when it will be available to us tho. >> >>> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:34:12 -0800 >>> From: msvnhrn@jps.net >>> To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Re 2010 census blog >>> >>> My understanding is that the 1930 census, was first water damaged when >>> the water used to put out a fire in the Department of Commerce building >>> flowed into the basement where the census was stored. A number of years >>> later some dim bulb in the government, sent the mess to the dump, about >>> 1938. Only a few fragmented counties remain, and they are available if >>> you are so lucky to have ancestors who lived in those places. >>> >>> As to the 2010 census, again my understanding is that only a sampling of >>> households will be sent the full form with the type of questions, the >>> answers to which are useful to genealogists. The rest of us will get >>> short forms that only address the statistics they are looking for. >>> >>> I personally think this is a great rip off of the American people by >>> more dim bulb bureaucrats. My inclination is not to respond. If people >>> who object to the shoddy job that is planned, boycott the census, they >>> may have to rethink what they are doing. >>> >>> Marleen Van Horne >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:59:07 -0800 >> From: "Julia Molitz" <jmolitz@cox.net> >> Subject: [TNLINCOL] 1890,1930 & 2010 Census >> To: "TNLINCOL" <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <CEAB420998DB422DA9F55BA760527302@Julia> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> List members, >> >> Let us not forget what the census is for. It is not for genealogy or >> knowing how many TV's or bathrooms one has. It is to determine the >> district lines for Congressmen to represent that district or how many >> Congressmen a state must have. There are districts that change in 10 >> years. There may be more or less people living in an individual district >> therefore lines may be redrawn. Or there may be more or less people in a >> state, so the state may lose or gain a Congressman. By not answering the >> 2010 census could throw off the count and one may not wish for their >> district to be incorporated with another or lose a Congressman. >> >> This is the reason I believe that the 2010 census should be kept on micro >> film. It would be a paper trail that would show if fraud was used to >> over >> count or under count. Using the census for genealogy is like icing on a >> cake. A wonderful side benefit for us. >> >> Census records are released to the public ever 12 years. The 1930 census >> is complete & on line at several genealogy sites for a cost. The 1890 >> census is the one that is incomplete. The 1900 & 1910 census are damaged >> on some pages. >> >> The way to try to get the 2010 census on microfilm is to contact your >> Senator and Congressman using genealogy only as a side talking point. If >> you do not fill out the form & mail it in a census worker will come to >> your house. I am going to make a copy of my filled out & signed census >> form for a paper trail. I may be the only one :-( >> >> One thing may happen. The Mormon Church may step in to microfilm the >> census, if they can. If they pay to do so I am sure there will be more >> than one Congressman who will be happy to get in on that deal. >> >> Julia >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:49:49 -0600 >> From: "Sam Jobe" <SamsRoots@bellsouth.net> >> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] 1890,1930 & 2010 Census >> To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <007a01cab978$5aab4bb0$1001e310$@net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> List Members, >> Hopefully with all the interest in Genealogy lately, like the two series >> on >> TV >> Will attract more folks to research their heritage and strengthening our >> voice on issues >> Like this. Just my opinion. >> Thanks for listening, >> Sam Jobe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Julia Molitz >> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:59 PM >> To: TNLINCOL >> Subject: [TNLINCOL] 1890,1930 & 2010 Census >> >> List members, >> >> Let us not forget what the census is for. It is not for genealogy or >> knowing how many TV's or bathrooms one has. It is to determine the >> district >> lines for Congressmen to represent that district or how many Congressmen >> a >> state must have. There are districts that change in 10 years. There may >> be >> more or less people living in an individual district therefore lines may >> be >> redrawn. Or there may be more or less people in a state, so the state >> may >> lose or gain a Congressman. By not answering the 2010 census could throw >> off the count and one may not wish for their district to be incorporated >> with another or lose a Congressman. >> >> This is the reason I believe that the 2010 census should be kept on micro >> film. It would be a paper trail that would show if fraud was used to >> over >> count or under count. Using the census for genealogy is like icing on a >> cake. A wonderful side benefit for us. >> >> Census records are released to the public ever 12 years. The 1930 census >> is >> complete & on line at several genealogy sites for a cost. The 1890 >> census >> is the one that is incomplete. The 1900 & 1910 census are damaged on >> some >> pages. >> >> The way to try to get the 2010 census on microfilm is to contact your >> Senator and Congressman using genealogy only as a side talking point. If >> you do not fill out the form & mail it in a census worker will come to >> your >> house. I am going to make a copy of my filled out & signed census form >> for >> a paper trail. I may be the only one :-( >> >> One thing may happen. The Mormon Church may step in to microfilm the >> census, if they can. If they pay to do so I am sure there will be more >> than >> one Congressman who will be happy to get in on that deal. >> >> Julia >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the TNLINCOL list administrator, send an email to >> TNLINCOL-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the TNLINCOL mailing list, send an email to >> TNLINCOL@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of TNLINCOL Digest, Vol 5, Issue 21 >> *************************************** >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message