Mary K, - here's another related email from the Moore's. - also, does anyone have an answer to the Moore's question? - the original Julia Molitz email is pasted below. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwin and Cornelia Moore" <fenenga@connpoint.net> To: <ALTUSCAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 2:20 AM Subject: [ALTUSCAL] buying back personal belongings > how many states had "crying sales" and which states were they? > I have a regular intestate (husband died a few years after his wife) that > also gives this information as it lists what was sold at auction, whom to > and for how much. it doesn't make alot of sense to me in that the horses, a > certainly valuable comodity, were auctioned of for a pitance. but the stuff > they list gives me a fascinating peephole on my ancestors life. this was a > bit north, up in Missouri....in 1840. > > > ================================ > > Understand this. Even back then you could not die without paying the tax > > man will or no. Your property was sold off and your widow had to buy back > > even her own cooking utensils if there was no will. They had "crying > > sales". These sells are great for it will tell you what kind of property > > your ancestor had if there were book, stills, farm equipment or tools from > > other trades as well as to who bought this stuff and who was in charge of > > selling it and when it was sold. If there was any land, and sometimes > there > > was not, many farmers rented their land from others. > > ================================ > ==== ALTUSCAL Mailing List ==== > Tuscaloosa, Alabama AlGenWeb Page > http://www.rootsweb.com/~altuscal > send comments to cgerdau@hotmail.com ============================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julia Molitz" <jmolitz@cox.net> To: <TNLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:58 PM Subject: [LCT] Fannin/Fanning & all Researchers > Below is some info on what will be in probate records as well as what I looked up for those researcher looking for info on Fanning > > This is not my line, just trying to help > > The will for Middleton Fanning that is in the Will book by Marsh is the son of Middleton and Daphnia so I have been told. The son's will was proven April 1861. > > However if you have access to the 1830 and 40 LCT census there is something interesting there. > > 1830 LCT census page 236 > > Fannen, Middleton > 1male 5-10, 1 male 30-40; 1 female 0-5, 1 female 5-10 and 1 female 30-40 > > Is this the father or son?????????? > > 1840 LCT census page 22 > Fannin, Middleton > 1 male under 5, 1 male 15-20; 1 female under 5, 1 female 5-10, 1 female 10-15, 1 female 30-40, 1 female 70-80 > > The 1840 census dates may be wrong but it looks like Daphnia is in LCT by 1840. It could be that Middleton SR. died someplace else before 1840 and Daphnia came to live with her son by 1840. > > However saying this if you will write to see if there are probate records at the Archives in Lincoln CO., TN there may be something there on Middleton SR. > > Understand this. Even back then you could not die without paying the tax man will or no. Your property was sold off and your widow had to buy back even her own cooking utensils if there was no will. They had "crying sales". These sells are great for it will tell you what kind of property your ancestor had if there were book, stills, farm equipment or tools from other trades as well as to who bought this stuff and who was in charge of selling it and when it was sold. If there was any land, and sometimes there was not, many farmers rented their land from others. > > If these records mentioned above survived they would be at the LCT Archives not the court house. Also they would be at the Archives in Nashville but you will pay much more for them. > > This is what I have learned from my great grandfathers will and probate records. He left his farm to his 8 named children although he had 10. This gave me proof of the story I was always told by my father that 2 sons ran off, so they were out of the will. The could sell their 1/8 part but the house belonged to his wife as well as enough stuff so she could live. Because of the will I looked up all the children for land deeds. I found out who bought some of this property and who lived north, south, east and west by deeds at the court house. Now I can place the farm exactly. > > Now what was more interesting was when his wife, REBECCA, died without a will. From her probate records I found out she had a guardian appointed for her 2 years before she died. Her youngest daughter MARY JULIA WRIGHT FOSTER & husband JAMES FOSTER lived with REBECCA WRIGHT and took care of her until her death in 1901 but they were not her guardians. The guardian had to account for every penny he spent of her money. He had to pay off her bill for a rug she bought from Paplanus store in Petersburg. Pay Julia for taken care of her mother. And get this she was on home made medication call "whiskey" for the last two years of her life. All this is in the guardian records which were part of her probate records. I also learned when things were sold off, again part of probate, that my grandfather JAMES FRANKLIN WRIGHT bought items but he was listed as DOCK WRIGHT. What a surprise to my sister and I for we had never heard that he had a nick name. > > So these are just some of the many things you can get for 25 cents a copy. A word of caution. These records can run over many years. Yes, just as today the wheels were slow. So they can consist of 10, 15 or more pages. > > Also it takes $12,000.00 to rebind the books at the LCT Archives. They are very large and heavy. The women that work at the Archives sure have their work cut out for they have to put them on the copy machine and reduce the size before they make a copy. Think about donation a couple of dollars for their time and to help defray the cost of rebinding these books. > > OK I'm done I will get off my soap box. > > Julia > ==== TNLINCOL Mailing List ==== > To contact the list administrator, send email to George@Waller.Org >