I have been trying every way I can think of to connect Martha E. Gray of TN, who married James Nathaniel Davis in Cape Girardeau County, MO, 1861, with the Martha E. Gray, dau. of Burgess & Elizabeth Gray of LCT. Both Marthas were born in 1841. I am puzzled by the names of Martha Gray Davis' six children - not one has a name I recognize from those of the Burgess & Elizabeth line. Is this an indication that they are not the same person? One or two children I could understand, if the remaining 4 had names I recognize, but they don't. Can someone tell me if they have found this to be true in their line; maybe it's more common than I thought. In researching the Grays from back in NC and even VA, I find brothers who all have children with the same names, making it difficult to determine who belongs to who (there should be a "whom" in there I'm sure). Thanks for any advice you have. Martha

What are the names? Could they be from the husbands family names? Eventually, the naming of children after family members did stop. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: <gypsy97@bellsouth.net> To: <TNLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 1:45 PM Subject: [LCT] Naming Traditions > I have been trying every way I can think of to connect Martha E. Gray of TN, > who married James Nathaniel Davis in Cape Girardeau County, MO, 1861, with > the Martha E. Gray, dau. of Burgess & Elizabeth Gray of LCT. Both Marthas > were born in 1841. > > I am puzzled by the names of Martha Gray Davis' six children - not one has a > name I recognize from those of the Burgess & Elizabeth line. Is this an > indication that they are not the same person? One or two children I could > understand, if the remaining 4 had names I recognize, but they don't. Can > someone tell me if they have found this to be true in their line; maybe it's > more common than I thought. In researching the Grays from back in NC and > even VA, I find brothers who all have children with the same names, making > it difficult to determine who belongs to who (there should be a "whom" in > there I'm sure). > > Thanks for any advice you have. > > Martha > > > ==== TNLINCOL Mailing List ==== > Register your first lines in LCT: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnlincol/family.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

From the Burgess Gray line, there are (m) Thomas, Hugh, James, Robert; (f) Elizabeth, Nancy, Ellen, Mary A. Polly, Isabelle(a). From the MO line: (m) Edwin Franklin; Ralph; (f) Clara Josephine, Mary Emma, Avee Ann, Ida, and so on. The only match I've ever know (outside Elizabeth which is pretty common to all lines), is that my ggrandmother is Clara Jo, and her dau., my aunt, is Clara Isabelle. Maybe it's not a such a big thing, but the only connection between Martha Elizabeth Gray Davis in MO and Martha E. Gray in LCT, is the year of birth, 1841, and the state of TN. Other M. E. Grays in TN for the 1850/1860 census years have a different birth date. Also, the parents of both Martha E.'s are born in NC. On the one hand I want to accept that these are the same person. On the other, I am getting engrossed into researching the LCT connection and back into NC and VA, but I don't want to expend further effort (to say nothing about getting attached to these people) until I can be nearly sure I am researching my own family line. Martha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Miller" <hlm@qtm.net> To: <TNLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [LCT] Naming Traditions > What are the names? Could they be from the husbands family names? > > Eventually, the naming of children after family members did stop. > > Mary > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <gypsy97@bellsouth.net> > To: <TNLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 1:45 PM > Subject: [LCT] Naming Traditions > > >> I have been trying every way I can think of to connect Martha E. Gray of > TN, >> who married James Nathaniel Davis in Cape Girardeau County, MO, 1861, >> with >> the Martha E. Gray, dau. of Burgess & Elizabeth Gray of LCT. Both >> Marthas >> were born in 1841. >> >> I am puzzled by the names of Martha Gray Davis' six children - not one >> has > a >> name I recognize from those of the Burgess & Elizabeth line. Is this an >> indication that they are not the same person? One or two children I >> could >> understand, if the remaining 4 had names I recognize, but they don't. >> Can >> someone tell me if they have found this to be true in their line; maybe > it's >> more common than I thought. In researching the Grays from back in NC and >> even VA, I find brothers who all have children with the same names, >> making >> it difficult to determine who belongs to who (there should be a "whom" in >> there I'm sure). >> >> Thanks for any advice you have. >> >> Martha >> >> >> ==== TNLINCOL Mailing List ==== >> Register your first lines in LCT: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnlincol/family.htm >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> >> > > > > ==== TNLINCOL Mailing List ==== > The best index to Internet Genealogy is Cyndi's list > http://www.cyndislist.com/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Most of my family lines (Protestants) from NC had, by ca 1830's, stopped naming most of their children after relatives. I've completed extensive lines on most of my families and find that the naming patterns that so many people think to be prevalent in some families just weren't applicable to most of my southern family lines. In my family lines if there were 7-9 kids in a family, only one or two of them might be named after a relative. Ruth

Well I hope you're right because I've grown attached to Burgess and his line. I'm the oldest of 8, and we are all named for at least one relative, although my mother would insist she named us after the saint and not the relative! Martha ----- Original Message ----- From: <delins1@earthlink.net> To: <TNLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:54 PM Subject: RE: [LCT] Naming Traditions > Most of my family lines (Protestants) from NC had, by ca 1830's, stopped > naming most of their children after relatives. I've completed extensive > lines on most of my families and find that the naming patterns that so > many > people think to be prevalent in some families just weren't applicable to > most of my southern family lines. In my family lines if there were 7-9 > kids > in a family, only one or two of them might be named after a relative. > > Ruth > > > > > ==== TNLINCOL Mailing List ==== > To search the list archives: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl then enter TNLINCOL > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Martha, this is not really a answer to what you asked but might open a new door? I am not related and found this on Ancestry.com Dist 14, Cape Girardeau, MO 1850 census HH 587 Edward Hubbard 40 physician b NC Sarah W. 42 b NC wife James Davis 20 farmer b NC John P. Davis 17 b NC Nancy Brevard 12 b MO Robert Brevard 9 MO Ann Smith age 38 b NC ** 1880 Randol Twp. Cape Girardeau MO. HH 167-169 James Davis 50 b NC Martha E. 39 b TN Mary E. 13 b MO Clary? J. 16 dau. Avie? A. 13 dau. Frank 10 James R. 8 Nancy C. Brevard 40 b MP, half sister. Remember Nancy and his brother Robert in above HH with James- all living with Dr and wife. Wonder if there is a relationship with the Hubbard family too? [If Nancy Brevard and Robert Brevard were half siblings to James or Martha E. there was another marriage to a Brevard to look for. ] HH 2026-986 1860 George's Store, Lin Co TN census. B.P. Gray 37 TN Elizabeth 30 TN Note, James and Martha had a son John P. Davis 17 NC in 1850 census. Wonder about a couple of P. middle initials.? Ginny 1850 LCT Subd 2, census HH 192 Burgess Gray 44 b NC [ born 20 May 2805 Iredell Co NC, died 4 Feb 1868 LCT] Elizabeth 38 [Ancestry.com says her maiden name was Cunningham, b 8 Oct 1811 Rowan Co NC, md 23 Jan 1835 Lin Co TN.] One submitter on Ancestry post said Burgess was son of Thomas Gray b 1 Feb 1786 Rowan Co NC and Jane McGahee b NC. a second submitter said Burgess Gray's father was John Gray and wife Kisseah-sic Genealogy.com query states I am looking ofr info on John E. Gray of Lin Co TN, born ca 1790 TN, married Kesiah/ Children were; 1. Mary Gray b ca 1833 md 1st John Bass, md 2nd Philip Reeder. She md in Shelby Co TN in 1844 to one of them. Looks like John? 2. Burgess b ca 1806 3. Thomas b ca 1808 4. Lowery b ca 1814 5. James b ca 1815 6. David L. born 1818 7. Robert b 1823 8. L. born 1837. Submitter K. Poole June 2003, E Mail then was; glhsmom@yahoo.com if still good?