Hi Bev, - The notion of him being born in TN is as good as anything else. - The fact that he was living out his live in the [settled] Northport area leads me to believe that his parents could have very well 'emmigrated' out of TN and 'immigrated' into the AL / Tusc / Fayette / Marion / areas in the 1817-1822 timeframe or so. My ancestors and allied families came from Lincoln County, TN [LCT], and had 'allied' ties to the CLEMENTS. There were one (Benjamin) or more CLEMENTS in LCT, at least one of which will ring LOUD bells in Tuscaloosa County. Known Alabama CLEMENTS include Hardy CLEMENTS, and Benjamin CLEMENTS, and possibly Reuben CLEMENTS -- A question is: who were John C. CLEMENTS' parents? -- Also, what counties were the 1870 and earlier census? All Tuscaloosa? -- What was the wife's name? -- What were the childrens' full names - My ancestors went from LCT to Marion to Fayette (or were in the same area while Marion / Fayette / Tuscaloosa evolved in their county boundaries), and I know there was a Northport general store or two, at least one of which was run by allied family McCONNELL, and the stores included accounts with allied families HARKINS, STEWART, McCONNELL, and perhaps (I don't remember and don't have the data handy) CLEMENTS. - A birth of 1812, if I compare to my ancestors, would have his dad as born possibly in the late 1780s to mid-1790s, depending on his order of birth among his brothers/sisters. That would put his dad as a potential candidate to be considered as probable pioneers of a TN county such as LCT. Without singling out LCT as the only possibly county, many of the pioneers of lower TN counties and upper AL counties, were indeed in more northern or eastern TN counties just prior to 'moving on'. All that said, then his dad could very well have hailed from NC, SC, GA, VA. - Since 1812 was generally a war year (or pre-war depending on where his dad was), I would postulate that his parents would have just arrived in __(pick one)___ county, (TN) the year or two before (if they were in the migration/pioneering mode), as part of the 'arriving pioneers' and the 'departing indians' scenario. - However, having duly noted that you said that the prominent state figuring in the various census info you have is AL, I would have to really ask a question of 'which' AL in 1812, since AL per se didn't exist as a state at that time. So we're talking District of Nathez, District/Territory of Mississippi, (up to ____18xx) or Territiory of AL up thru about 1817, no? If one takes the 'AL' statement as valid at face value, then there's only a very few areas of [territory] of Alabama that he could have been born in, and of course probably zero records available on that. I would, I guess, be thinking in term of Mobile, or the Tombigbee settlement, or one or two of the US army forts back in that 1812 time. According to one reading, the Mississippi county of Washington in 1810 included what eventually became Alabama. Mississippi became a state in 1817, Alabama a Territory in 1817, and Alabama a state in 1819. - There are a number of counties with minute docket / probation records back in the, say, 1795 - 1812 times wherein various CLEMENTS might have been landowners or otherwise mentioned in the civil records. That might help narrow down the candidate TN counties. - Finally, there is, I suppose, a small chance that the 1820 AL census would show his dad?, and the counties in AL with CLEMENTS in 1820 probably shouldn't be that many. - If I read correctly, he would have been in AL during the civil war? Does he show up in any of the civil war records? - What are the middle names of his children? Allied families could be evident in some of them, although not always. (Supposedly my ancestor Sarah C. [HOGAN/HOGINS] Stewart [wife of Solomon STEWART) had a middle name of CLEMENT.) The parents of my Solomon Stewart m Sarah Hogan/Hogins are said to be: Charles STEWART mar. Elizabeth CLEMONS/CLEMENTS. - If he owned land in Northport, the transactions, if any, should be in the Tuscaloosa courthouse? - The Index to Wills 1808-1870 shows James CLEMENS, Jeremiah CLEMENS, Joseph CLEMENT, Elizabeth CLEMENTS, Hardy CLEMENTS, Israel CLEMENTS, Jacob CLEMENTS, Nancy CLEMENTS, Reuben CLEMENTS, Henry CLEMONS, and Henry CLEMONS, encompassing Madison, Mobile, Tuscaloosa, Chambers, Lauderdale, and Montgomery counties. - The book Tennessee Cousins, page 751, shows the following as ancestors of Gibson Co. Families who came from North Carolina: - William CLEMENT father of Dr. B. W. CLEMENT who m. Elizabeth LOCKE - John C. CLEMENTS m. Cynthis UTLEY, of Wake County, N. C. (this may or may not be related to your research, but this CLEMENTS / UTLEY and Wake County, NC, for example, rings all kinds of bells for my STEWART line. One example: the brother to my Solomon's dad Charles, was a George STEWART mar. Rebecca UTLEY. Within all of this Charles / George STEWART lineage is a John McConnell STEWART b. 1853 Fayette Co, AL; who had a daughter Mable Clements STEWART b 1881 Fayette Co., AL.) - One last offering to check the ownership history of his land in Northport (Range/Township/Section history). Sometimes the seller and the purchasers were allied, sometimes not;... sometimes vaguely connected (perhaps in the militia together - he would have been old enough to be in the 1836 Seminole problem set). Did his dad belong to the Tuscaloosa Militia Regiment? (Alabama ADAH in Montgomery, militia cards)? Hope I haven't bored you. These are data points that may help speed up in your quest to discern. Looking forward to the answers to the questions above :-) Dick Stewart 01 August 2006 -=-==-=-=- Hi... His birth year appears to be 1812. Thanks, Bev W. =-=-=-==- when do you estimate his birth year? Dick Stewart =--=-== Hi... Does anyone on the list connect to the family of John C. Clements? I understand that he had a fairly large property in or near Northport. There is a little confusion in the census records. Most state that he was born in Alabama, but the 1870 census seems to state that his birthplace was Tenn. I would like to know for sure or if there is a family tie in Tenn. Thanks, Bev W.

This is not my line and I have not proven this material. It was found on Ancestry.com. 1870 Census, Prec. 10, Northport, Tuscaloosa HH 193-181 John C. Clements [b 1 Dec 1810] 58 b TN farmer [died 12 Feb 1865 Tuscaloosa, AL] Jane 48 b AL [ Jane Norris b 16 Dec, 1821 AL, died 27 Nov 1882 AL, Tuscaloosa.] Rufus 26 Lucius 24 Thomas 18 Evelina 16 William 14 Sydney 12 Samuel 10 Belle 6 [All ch. born AL] *********************************** John Connolly Clements and Jane Norris married 12 Jan 1842 Tuscaloosa, AL. Children; John Rufus b 7 Oct 1842 Tuscaloosa AL Lucius b 1846 " Jacob Hilliard b 18 May 1847 " Catherine b ca 1848 " Ophelia Ann b 27 May, 1849 " Thomas Coleman b 4 May 1851 " Evelena Frances b 24 Sept 1853 " William Mannon b 19 July 1855 " Sydney Owens b 29 Aug 1857 " Virginia Belle b 15 Sept 1864 " *** John Connally was son of: Jacob Clements b ca 1775 NC, d 2 July 1846 Tuscaloosa, AL. Md Frances Sims b 1776 Culpepper, VA, d 3 Feb 1856 Laurens, SC. Md ca 1797 Laurens, SC. CH. 1. Sarah b ca 1800 Laurens, SC Mannin Emanuel b 20 Nov 1800 " Amey b 1803 Rebecca b 22 Mar 1805 Tuscaloosa, AL James L. b 1807. TN John Connelly b 1 Dec 1810 TN Lidia b 1814 TN Thomas b 1815 TN Wade Hampton b ca 1818 AL [Above places of birth give you a good idea of when and where this family lived] *** Jacob Clements was son of: Reuben Clements b ca 1754 Craven, MC. d ca 1825 Tuscaloosa, AL. Md Elizabeth Stewart b ca 1752 Fayette, O C, AL. d ca 1826 Tuscaloosa AL. md ca 1776 NC. Ch.; Jacob b ca 1775 NC Benjamin b 30 Dec 1776 NC Susannah b 1778 NC Hannah b 10 Apr 1781 SC Hardy b 16 Oct 1783 SC Elijah b 1786 SC Israel b 7 Mar 1790 NC Charles b 6 Feb 1794 NC Bedith female b 1799 SC Elizabeth b 1800 SC [Check carefully to be sure of above places of birth. Too mixed up] ** Elizabeth Stewart was dau. of; Charles Stewart and Johanna Kirk Charles Stewart was son of: James Stewart b ca 1673 Clunie, Perth, Scotland, d 1735 Wake, NC. md Elizabeth Campbell b ca 1690, d ca 1760. Ch. James b ca 1712 Clunie, Scotland Patrick b ca 1716 Kilbrandon, Argylshire, Scotland John b ca 1717 Charles b ca 1724 Surry, VA *** James Stewart was son of: Alexander Stewart 24 June 1639 Wester, Cline, Perth, Scotland, d ca 1700 Scotland. md Catherine Isabella Stewart b 1643 Wester, Clunie, Perth, Scotland. md ca 1663 Scotland. Ch. Only one listed; James b ca 1673 Clunie, Perth, Scotland. Catherine Isabella Stewart was dau. of James Stewart and Barbara Menzies. ******* Alexander Stewart was son of; William Stewart b 1600 Laird, Ledcreich, Balquhidder, Scotland, d 31 July, Ledcreich, Balquhidder, Perth, Scotland. Married Mary McGregor b 1627 Ledcreich, Perth, Scotland. Md ca 1630 Scotland. CH. Patrick b 1635 Laird, Scotland Alexander b 24 June 1639 Wester, Scotland Walter b 1647 Campbelltown. Argylshire, Scotland. ***** William was son of: Patrick Stewart b ca 1585 Glenagle, Scotland md Christian Drummond b 16 Sept 1809 [ This wife or date of birth is either a typo or error. Check it out] Ch. William b 1600 Laird, Scotland Jennet b ca 1615 ** Patrick was son of; Andrew Stewart b ca 1560 Wester, Clunie, Perth, Scotland, md ___ Stewart. Only one child listed here. Patrick b ca 1585 Glenagle, Scotland. *** Andrew was son of: Duncan Stewart b 1530 Glenagle, Scotland, md ___ Maclaren b ca 1530 Glenbucky, Scotland. No children listed for this marriage. Duncan md 2nd. ____ Buchanan One child listed; Andrew b ca 1560 Wester, Scotland *** Duncan was son of; John Stewart b 1503 Ester, Scotland, md ____ Buchnan. b ca 1505 Glenbucky, Scotland. Ch. Duncan b 1530 Glenagle Patrick b ca 1532 " Robert b 2 Nov 1747 [obviously a typo or error in date} **** John was son of: William Stewart b ca 1536 Baldorran, Scotland, md Mariota Helen Campbell b ca 1430 [another bad date error]. Ch. Andrew Walter b 1499 John b 1503 Wester, Clunie, Scotland ** William was son of: James Beg Stuart b 1416, Ardourlie, Scotland, d Annabel Buchanan b 11418 Ardourlie, Scotland, Ch; William b ca 1435 Balrorran, *** James was son of; James Stewart and Lady MacDonald *** James was son of; Murdock Stewart and Isabel Lennox b ca 1376 Clarcinch, Buchanan, Stirlingshire, Scotland. md 17 Feb 1391 Inchmurrin, Dunbrtonshire, Scotland. Ch Robert b ca 1393 Buchanan, Scotland Walter b ca 1395 Lennox, Dunbartonshire, Scotland Alexander b ca 1397 Fifeshire, Scotland Isabel b ca 1403 Buchanan, Scotland James b ca 1411 Stirling, Scotland [Close to where my Abernathy's lived] [Murdock may have md 2nd Joan Douglas b ca 1365 Douglas Castle, Douglas, Lanarkshire, Scotland.] ****************************************** Remember, this is NOT GOSPEL. Please use it to prove any of it t[hat may be fact.] It appears to be a good working angle. I did look up the first family in 1870 census and it seems to match well. There are wonderful research libraries that are helpful and reasonable in Scotland. Send off some generic letters to see what response you get. Look on the internet for addresses, names. ·:*¨¨*:·.~* Ginny *~.·:*¨¨*:·.