Dear Mary, Many thanks for the information on the TURNEY and HAYS families. I browsed through several online databases and see that several have that Elizabeth Turney (m. James D. Hays & James Hancock) has a sister Permelia Ann Turney. It is interesting that the James D. Hays (1815-1895) and Rebecca Hays (1821-1894) have a daughter Permelia Ann Hays! Additional research is necessary to prove it, but my guess is that this James D. Hays might possibly be the son of James D. Hays and Elizabeth Turney. (NOTE: If only the younger James D. Hays had had a son named Jacob Turney Hays!) Jim