Jim- I read your post about the Warren's and I know there are a lot of Warren researchers reading this post, please help out if you can. I was wondering if the missing Martha Warren-White on the 1850 census might be Martha wife of Crawford B. White in HH 715? I know the names are not quite right but maybe? Right next to them are Thomas White in 716 and Lucinda White in 717. In the LCT Pioneers Vol. III, No. 2 page 28 there is an obituary for Mrs. Martha White, wife of C. B. White b. 05/26/1817 m. 02/18/1836 - Methodist - died 02/13/1857. Is this your Martha? Any one out there with Methodist church records ever see Carr White listed as Crawford? What about in the marriage record. Another puzzle I have is the notation the annotated 1850 census that William Warren married Sarah Wilkerson 02/05/1838 which is after his supposed death date and certainly would not make her the mother of the children. Could this be a marriage for another William Warren? However there is a Notley Wilkerson just 2 households over from the Warren household so it would seem they are somewhat related. Diane Casey

Hi Diane and others interested. It has long been my belief that my White/Wilkerson/Warren families from Lincoln Co TN and Giles Co TN are of the lines but I have not been able to connect them to fit everyone's mindset. It seems rare to me that these three families all originated from NC to Lincoln Co TN first and then spread to Giles Co abt the time of the Civil War. Here is my case. Take pot shots at me, everyone. I can take it. Ginny Keefer My LCT connections; My William White Jr appears on Lincoln Co TN census first time in 1820. He was with his 2nd wife, Elizabeth ____, 20 years younger than he. Wm was 58 years old when their first child together was born, Martha White born 1814 Stokes Co NC- that used to be Rowan Co. Martha married Samuel C. Miles Mar 26, 1840 LCT. There were probably other children located around him from his unknown to me , first wife, Mary ___ who died before 1813, probably in Rowan/Stokes Co NC. Edith Chapman White has to be a child of William White Jr and 1st wife, Mary ___. Edith's daughter, Nancy, lived next door to William White Jr's son, James Franklin. Edith married James Tucker. They named a son, William White Tucker. James Tucker and Edith Chapman White's daughter, Nancy Ballentine Tucker born Sept 15, 1820 LCT married Gabriel M. Pylant. They named a son William White Pylant b Jan 26, 1856 MO. William White Jr and Elizabeth ____'s son, Carr Bailey White ,was born Jan 18, 1818, Stokes Co TN per his Giles Co TN obit. He married Feb 18, 1836 LCT to Martha Warren born May 26, 1818 TN, died Feb 13, 1857 LCT, dau. of William R. Warren and Sarah ____. Carr Bailey White md 2nd Oct 16, 1858 LCT to Mary Elizabeth Watson. Children of Carr Bailey White and Martha Warren were; 1. Sanford Monroe b Sept 26, 1837 LCT md 1st June 16, 1857 LCT Sarah Owen, md 2nd Nov 26, 1901 Amanda M. Spencer 2. William Ransom b Oct 25, 1839 LCT md Nov 4, 1861 Elizabeth Harrison [ Not absolutely positive on him] 3. Willis Warren b Dec 7, 1841 LCT, d Oct 17, 1922 Giles Co TN, md Mary [Mag] Morris, md 2nd Oct 11, 1865 Giles Co to Martha J. Bullington 4. Amanda Elizabeth b June 30, 1844 LCT md bef 1868 Rufus Strange, [prob Limestone Co AL?] 5. Sterling Council b May 13, 1847 LCT, died Aug 15, 1852 LCT 6. Philander Franklin Moore born Aug 26, 1849, died Dec 31, 1880 7. Martha Caroline b June 27, 1850 LCT died Sept. 10, 1870 8. Dovey Morier Ioway b Dec 18, 1855 LCT, d Mar 16, 1946 Lawrence Co TN, md my other line, Robert Campbell Abernathy, md 2nd Columbus Lafayette Thomas, both in Giles Co TN My cousin, Attorney, Paul R. White, of Nashville TN descends from Carr Bailey White and has done extensive research on his lineage. He is writing a book that I look forward to completion of. He is still practicing so it is slow going. William and Elizabeth White's son, James Franklin White born Aug 10, 1816 Stokes Co NC, died Aug 2, 1852 LCT, married Martha V. Payne, buried at White Cem. LCT. William and Elizabeth's son, William Clark, born Aug 8, 1820, LCT, their only child born in TN. Married 1st Polly M. Nixon Dec 12, 1839 LCT. Had one dau. Elizabeth who was raised by his 2nd wife, Elizabeth K. Wilkerson md May 20, 1843 LCT. Elizabeth was dau of Lewis Wilkerson born ca 1790 prob Rutherford Co NC, died bef. 1860 census. Lewis married Isabella Eakins born ca 1790 Guildford Co NC, d aft 1860 Giles Co TN. Children of Lewis and Isabella were; 1. Notley b 1813 Calloway Co KY, md June 20, 1826 LCT Margaret [Peggy] Richardson 2. Temperance b Mar 7, 1820 Calloway Co KY, d Feb 17, 1903 LCT md Aug 30, 1842 Robert Warren. 3. Elizabeth K.Wilkerson listed above as 2nd wife of William Clark White [my direct line ancestors] 4. Caroline born ca 1829 TN md July 13, 1848 Newton Austin Eslick 5. Rosanna b ca 1830 md John Y. Jackson. They lived next door to her mother, Isabel in 1860 Giles Co TN census as a widow. William and Elizabeth White's son, Crawford Lafayette White born May 10, 1857 LCT, Dec 23, 1877 Giles Co TN, married M. Elizabeth Williams who died aft 1891, when she was mentioned in her father in law's estate settlement, as living in Adamsville, McNairy Co TN. Children; 1. Martha C. md Frank Moore 2. Willie 3. Crawford Lafayette Jr. md Nov 6, 1883 Giles Co to Mary Haskins. William R. Warren b ca 1797 TN died 1835 LCT, [possible son of John Warren Jr and Anne Nancy Bradford??????] married Sarah Polk b ca 1797 NC. Children; 1. Robert b 1816, died aft 1850 LCT md Aug 30, 1842 Temperance Wilkerson- my other line 2. Martha b May 26, 1818, d Feb 13, 1857 LCT md Feb 18, 1836 Carr Bailey White, my line 3. Peter b 1822 4. Sarah b 1824 md Feb 5, 1838 LCT William Polk. They were living with her mother, Sarah ___ Warren in 1850 LCT census. 5. Samuel b 1827 6. Elizabeth b ca 1828 7. James b ca 1828 8. Mary b ca 1830 9. Nancy b ca 1831 10. William R. Jr. As you can see, I need lots of help with these children. I do not know of a William Warren who married Sarah Wilkerson and would like to know more about this family if true. I would be grateful for any help or clues from LCT researchers. Ginny Keefer nee Virginia Lynn White. Note; William Clark White was my great, great grandfather. His son, James Monroe White who married Amanda Tennessee Warren- [dau of Henry J. Warren- died in Giles Co TN] , was my great grandfather, his son, John Lewis White buried at Minor Hill Cem. in Giles Co TN was my grandfather. My father, Aubrey Elmo White born Mar 7, 1905 Athens, Limestone Co AL is buried at old Florence Cemetery in Lauderdale Co AL where the other White's not buried at Minor Hill Cem, Giles Co TN are buried since 1850.

Diane, It appears that Ginny, all the way in Las Vegas, is an earlier riser than I this morning. I will try to answer some of your questions on the Warren line which she did not cover and offer an exception or two along the way. Early in my research I too wondered if Crawford White in the 1850 LCT census was a misspelling of my Carr Bailey White, however I came to realize that he was a different White. Why C.B. and wife Martha are not listed in the !850 census I do not know. He was a Justice of Peace from about 1854 to 1859 when he moved to north Limestone County Ala. He performed about a dozen marriages as listed in the marriage book for LCT. I have not yet found any proof as to the father of William R Warren. Some say his father was John, others Henry and again Willis. The John who was killed about 1820 does not appear to have children other than those by Courtney Lewis "with whom" as he said in his 12 June 1820 willl, "I have lived for several years." He adds: "Seven children--three boys and four girls which I believe are mine begotten on her body." These were minors and were placed by the court under the guardianship of Henry Warren and Willis Warren. I find no evidence that William R Warren was the son of John Warren and Nancy Ann Bradford, who had a son William B. This son was born in 1813 in Bedford County Tenn. and his family is given by various ones totally different from that of my William R Warren. Henry Warren had a son William born 9 May 1802 but reports of this family do not allow for him to be my William R. Willis Warren died about 1829. Henry Warren made an inventory of his personal property which was recorded 14 Sept. 1829. In this report he wrote concerning his horses: "one of them a grey horse claimed by Wm Warren a son of the dec." This is evidence that Willis had a son named William. This son could have been my William R. The name Willis continued to be used by the descendants of William R. My ggrandparents, Carr Bailey White and Martha Warren, named their third child Willis Warren White. Until I see proof to the contrary, I am proceeding on the hypothesis that the father of William R Warren was Willis Warren. It has been listed that Sarah, the wife of William R Warren, was a Polk. However, I have not been able to discover any evidence at all to support this assumption. William R and Sarah had a daughter Sarah who married William Polk 28 Dec.1843. The 1850 LCT census lists this William Polk and wife Sarah living with Sarah Warren widow of William R. It may be that some one mixed up the two Sarahs and put Sarah wife of William R as a Polk instead of her daughter. I just do not know the maiden name of Sarah Warren. Now as to the marriage of William Warren to Sarah Wilkerson 6 Feb. 1838 you may be correct in thinking that this is the son of William R and Sarah. However, there are three other William Warrens who married in 41,42,43. One who married Elizabeth Burns was the son of Daniel Warren. My grandmother, whom I remember well as she made her home with us until her death in 1946, was the youngest child of Carr Bailey White and Martha Warren. Her mother died when she was very young. Her father married again 16 Oct. 1859. Mammy, as we called my grandmotlher, first married Columbus Lafayette Thomas and second Robert Campbell Abernathy. I trust that this will add light to the issue, not heat. Jim Thomas. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Casey" <ILuvAZ@cox.net> To: <TNLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com>; <jmrbythms@charter.net> Cc: <-D@rootsweb.com>TNLINCOL Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Warren Family > Jim- > I read your post about the Warren's and I know there are a lot of Warren > researchers reading this post, please help out if you can. > > I was wondering if the missing Martha Warren-White on the 1850 census > might be Martha wife of Crawford B. White in HH 715? I know the names are > not quite right but maybe? Right next to them are Thomas White in 716 and > Lucinda White in 717. > > In the LCT Pioneers Vol. III, No. 2 page 28 there is an obituary for Mrs. > Martha White, wife of C. B. White b. 05/26/1817 m. 02/18/1836 - > Methodist - died 02/13/1857. Is this your Martha? Any one out there with > Methodist church records ever see Carr White listed as Crawford? What > about in the marriage record. > > Another puzzle I have is the notation the annotated 1850 census that > William Warren married Sarah Wilkerson 02/05/1838 which is after his > supposed death date and certainly would not make her the mother of the > children. Could this be a marriage for another William Warren? However > there is a Notley Wilkerson just 2 households over from the Warren > household so it would seem they are somewhat related. > > Diane Casey