The 10:00pm news on channel 4, Nashville, identifies the Huntsville AL victim as another male member of the Hall family, the killer's in-laws. ----- Original Message ----- From: <LaVBelle@aol.com> To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Fayetteville Tragedy > I just received this "breaking news" bulletin from NBC Nashville Channel > 4. I copied and pasted it with the up to the moment information on the > tragedy in Fayetteville. > > NASHVILLE -- The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation has identified the five > victims who were found slain in two homes in southern Tennessee Saturday, > some of whom were related. > According to a release issued on Sunday, 38-year-old Traci Shaffer, 38, her > son, 16-year-old Devin Brooks, were found dead in her home at 34B South > Lincoln Road. Brooks' 16-year-old friend and neighbor, Robert Berber, was > also killed. > Traci Shaffer's father, 57-year-old Billy Hall, and her brother, > 34-year-old Chris Hall, were also found dead in their home at 31 South Lincoln Road. > The Medical Examiner's Office is currently completing autopsies, and will > release cause of death upon completion. > A sixth person was found dead at a Huntsville, Ala., business, but that > victim has not yet been identified. The Huntsville Police Department is > handling the case surrounding that victim. > Jacob Shaffer has been charged with 5 counts of criminal homicide in > connection with the slayings and remains in the Lincoln County Jail without bond. > > > **************Can love help you live longer? Find out now. > (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relations hips/?ncid=emlweu > slove00000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just received this "breaking news" bulletin from NBC Nashville Channel 4. I copied and pasted it with the up to the moment information on the tragedy in Fayetteville. NASHVILLE -- The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation has identified the five victims who were found slain in two homes in southern Tennessee Saturday, some of whom were related. According to a release issued on Sunday, 38-year-old Traci Shaffer, 38, her son, 16-year-old Devin Brooks, were found dead in her home at 34B South Lincoln Road. Brooks' 16-year-old friend and neighbor, Robert Berber, was also killed. Traci Shaffer's father, 57-year-old Billy Hall, and her brother, 34-year-old Chris Hall, were also found dead in their home at 31 South Lincoln Road. The Medical Examiner's Office is currently completing autopsies, and will release cause of death upon completion. A sixth person was found dead at a Huntsville, Ala., business, but that victim has not yet been identified. The Huntsville Police Department is handling the case surrounding that victim. Jacob Shaffer has been charged with 5 counts of criminal homicide in connection with the slayings and remains in the Lincoln County Jail without bond. **************Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove00000001)

It is true that Nancy Crawford was his first wife. The 1850 census was taken on Oct 25, 1850 and she died Aug 5 1850. I looked at the census copy and her age is 39. When compared with Pleasants age of 38 the "3's" are the same. I wonder if they added her on when they found out she lived more than 6 months of the year or was alive when the census was supposed to be taken. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diane Casey Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:12 AM To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Nancy L. Halbert Hi- Had a few responses stating that this Nancy Halbert was his first wife. If this is true then can anyone explain the following: * If she was born in 1810, her age on the census should be 39 or 40. It is 29. I'd have to see the original census to see if this was misread. * Why isn't she listed directly after Pleasant like most wives? She is listed way towards the bottom after his children. I believe at this point Nancy is dead (although I was told she died Aug 1850). * Who is the Mary Smith age 68 listed in the household. I was thinking she is related to his mother? * Could Nancy Halbert be his niece? Diane From: Diane Casey [mailto:iluvaz@cox.net] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:14 PM To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com Subject: Nancy L. Halbert Anyone know who the Nancy L. Halbert (b. 1821) is on the 1850 Lincoln Co., TN census in household of Pleasant Halbert? Household 774 (page 296 of the annotated 1850 census). I had assumed she was his sister but I just read that he had one sister, Martha, who died young. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 7/19/2009 1:27:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, graciepmarvel@bellsouth.net writes: The paper did not give that information. The following was in the Nashville Tennessean (_www.tennessean.com_ (http://www.tennessean.com) ) today. It is certainly in the news in Nashville, TN. A very sad happening. The people in that community are obviously upset. I copied and pasted this from the online newspaper. FAYETTEVILLE, Tenn. — A 30-year-old man was charged with homicide Saturday in the slayings of six people, most believed to be from the same family, in two communities about 30 miles apart in Tennessee and Alabama. Investigators said the victims were four adults and two juveniles, but their names and ages were not being released until they are identified and next of kin are notified. Five people were found dead in two neighboring rural homes near Fayetteville in southern Tennessee Saturday, and a sixth body was discovered at a business in Huntsville, Ala., authorities said. Jacob Shaffer of Fayetteville, who officers found sitting on the front porch of one of the homes, was taken into custody and charged with homicide. He was jailed without bond in Lincoln County, which borders Alabama. Tennessee Bureau of Investigation spokeswoman Kristin Helm said in an e-mail that Shaffer was charged with five counts of homicide for the Tennessee deaths and faced an additional count in Alabama. "Most of the victims are suspected to be related. The motive of the killings is domestic," Helm said. Lincoln County Sheriff Murray Blackwelder said at a news conference that his department is investigating three crime scenes, though he did not elaborate. He did not release the victims' names and would not confirm the causes of death. He also did not release a motive in what he called "horrendous" killings and "one of the worst crimes Lincoln County has seen." Helm said the Tennessee victims were killed Friday night or early Saturday. Huntsville police Sgt. Mickey Allen, who works for the city's major crimes unit, told TV station WAFF that based on the suspect's information, police found a body at Hall Cultured Marble Granite late Saturday morning. Authorities have not said how the slayings in the two communities are linked. While authorities have not released the victims' ages, Karon Weatherman, who lives about a half-mile away from the Tennessee homes, said she saw children as young as 4 and 5 running back and forth between the houses across the road from each other. One of the Tennessee homes was once a skating rink that was converted into a duplex, said Weatherman. She did not know the family but said they moved in earlier this year. "I wouldn't expect nothing like this to happen," she said. All phone numbers listed in Huntsville under Jacob Shaffer's name had been disconnected. Fayetteville is a town of 7,000 people about 90 miles south of Nashville near the Tennessee-Alabama border. Huntsville, about 30 miles south, is the largest city in northern Alabama with more than 170,000 people. **************Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove00000001)

My prayers go out to the families also. Its so sad. Michaele ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marleen Van Horne" <msvnhrn@jps.net> To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 12:08:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [TNLINCOL] Fayetteville Tragedy To those of you who live in or near Lincoln County, please tell us if any of our friends from the list were involved. To the families of the victims, my greatest sympathy. Marleen Van Horne   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I looked at the 1850 census, and the 1850 mortality census. I think Kathy has done the correct analysis of the entry. If I am not mistaken, the mortality census only includes people who died in the year PRECEDING the OFFICIAL census date, 1 June 1850. Since Nancy died in 5 August 1850, she does not appear in the 1850 mortality census. I checked both Halbert and Holbert. I only found a small child, Elizabeth. Since this family was actually enumerated in October, that would explain why she is out of order, and was, perhaps, added as an after thought, when the enumerator asked about deaths in the family in the last year. She did not qualify for the mortality census, but should have definitely been in the population census. Marleen Van Horne

I don't know the location nor the names. The paper did not give that information. Have seen nothing on TV. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marleen Van Horne" <msvnhrn@jps.net> To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:08 PM Subject: [TNLINCOL] Fayetteville Tragedy > To those of you who live in or near Lincoln County, please tell us if > any of our friends from the list were involved. > > To the families of the victims, my greatest sympathy. > > Marleen Van Horne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Earnest, It was nice to meet you and your wife that day. I am glad that your trip was productive. The LCGS is a good place to do research. Thanks for sharing the picture with Turk and with me. Your picture put a face to a person that I had heard my dad and uncle talk about many times. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Leatherman" <eleatherman@ma-apple.com> To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:01 AM Subject: [TNLINCOL] Recent Visit >I recently spent a day in Fayetteville, TN doing genealogical research. >With > the help of Jim McNeal and his wife Jane I was able to find exactly the > information I was searching for. Jim opened up the LCGS office and made > all > resources available for my search. He assisted me by following leads as I > research other leads. His wife made telephone calls to help locate a > certain > school. With their assistance a two day digging through books and papers > was > reduces to two hours and my questions and one roadblock were answered. > Again > thanks to the McNeals for their help. > > I also traveled to Petersburg, TN that day and visited the Morgan School. > My > father had gone to school there in 1939-1940. I also had the opportunity > to > meet and talk with an own schoolmate of his. Turk Warren still lives in > Petersburg and had numerous stories to tell me of the school and my > father. > Peggy Coleman was visiting with Turk when I arrived and she shared some > more > stories of the area today. Sad to say that controversy has enveloped the > school and its use. Hopefully it can be resolved and the memories saved. > > Again thanks to each and every person in Lincoln County that assisted me > and > made me and my wife welcome. > > Ernest Leatherman > eleatherman@ma-apple.com > RAOGK Volunteer > Find-A-Grave Volunteer > Researching Leatherman, Grant, Partee, Wilson, Adams, Owens > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Some of them are cousins of husband's.  Hall's is all I know. So sad . Cindy --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Peggy Coleman <graciepmarvel@bellsouth.net> wrote: From: Peggy Coleman <graciepmarvel@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Fayetteville Tragedy To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 1:26 PM I don't know the location nor the names.  The paper did not give that information.  Have seen nothing on TV. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marleen Van Horne" <msvnhrn@jps.net> To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:08 PM Subject: [TNLINCOL] Fayetteville Tragedy > To those of you who live in or near Lincoln County, please tell us if > any of our friends from the list were involved. > > To the families of the victims, my greatest sympathy. > > Marleen Van Horne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi- Had a few responses stating that this Nancy Halbert was his first wife. If this is true then can anyone explain the following: * If she was born in 1810, her age on the census should be 39 or 40. It is 29. I'd have to see the original census to see if this was misread. * Why isn't she listed directly after Pleasant like most wives? She is listed way towards the bottom after his children. I believe at this point Nancy is dead (although I was told she died Aug 1850). * Who is the Mary Smith age 68 listed in the household. I was thinking she is related to his mother? * Could Nancy Halbert be his niece? Diane From: Diane Casey [mailto:iluvaz@cox.net] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:14 PM To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com Subject: Nancy L. Halbert Anyone know who the Nancy L. Halbert (b. 1821) is on the 1850 Lincoln Co., TN census in household of Pleasant Halbert? Household 774 (page 296 of the annotated 1850 census). I had assumed she was his sister but I just read that he had one sister, Martha, who died young.

To those of you who live in or near Lincoln County, please tell us if any of our friends from the list were involved. To the families of the victims, my greatest sympathy. Marleen Van Horne

My grandmother, Martha Virginia (Jennie) Mullins had a sister named Maude.  Maybe if I saw the picture I would know if they are the same person.  I would be glad to try to help if I can.  In the meantime, I will do some "digging" and see what her married name was.   Leanne Forrester --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Maxine Odle <maxseen@bellsouth.net> wrote: From: Maxine Odle <maxseen@bellsouth.net> Subject: [TNLINCOL] Mullins and Pylant To: TNBEDFOR-L@rootsweb.com, TNMOORE-L@rootsweb.com, tnlincol@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 10:27 AM I have 2 pictures of people and I want to find where they fit in my line. One is "Maude Mullins" and the other is of 2 people, a lady and boy, and the names are "Vergie Pylant and Mack." The "Maude Mullins" might have been the lady who married a "Laster" or "Lassiter." I will send e-mail copies these pictures to anyone who contacts me and wants to see them. Maxine Odle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have Nancy as his second wife who died in 5 August 1850. She was born in 16 Nov 1810 and her maiden name was Nancy Crawford. They married Oct 8 1833. The age on the Census is 39. Pleasant Holbert 38 Martha J Holbert 16 Margret E Holbert 14 James C Holbert 12 Mary J Holbert 10 John S Holbert 8 Pleaent W Holbert 6 Emily N Holbert 4 William H Holbert 2 Nancy S Holbert 39 Mary Smith Holbert 68 Levi Shands 42 Rachael Shands 33 John R Shands 9 Mary E Shands 7 William Shands 5 Jones Shands 1 Charles Chaney 15 -----Original Message----- From: tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diane Casey Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:14 AM To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com Subject: [TNLINCOL] Nancy L. Halbert Anyone know who the Nancy L. Halbert (b. 1821) is on the 1850 Lincoln Co., TN census in household of Pleasant Halbert? Household 774 (page 296 of the annotated 1850 census). I had assumed she was his sister but I just read that he had one sister, Martha, who died young. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have 2 pictures of people and I want to find where they fit in my line. One is "Maude Mullins" and the other is of 2 people, a lady and boy, and the names are "Vergie Pylant and Mack." The "Maude Mullins" might have been the lady who married a "Laster" or "Lassiter." I will send e-mail copies these pictures to anyone who contacts me and wants to see them. Maxine Odle

I'm looking for information on 3rd great-Grandparents William Watkins and Matilda Mason. They are in the 1850 Bedford census, 1860 Marion, Arkansas census and eventually moved to Douglas county Missouri. I found a William Wadkins in Lincoln County, Tennessee that matches perfectly. In the 1880 census, William's parents were born in VA and Matilda's father was born in GA. Does anyone have access to TN marriage records to see if there is one for Matilda and William? It looks like Martha Ann did not make it to Arkansas. Was also wondering if anyone had access to cemetery records for Bedford to see if she is there? 1840 Lincoln: William Wadkins Males <5 5-9 10-14 15-19 20-29 1 - (William Watkins) Females <5 2 (Mary & Nancy) 5-9 10-14 15-19 20-29 1 - (Matilda Mason Watkins) Federal Census - Bedford, Tennessee Civil District 18 Nov 29th, 1850 163, 163 William Watkins 38 m Laborer 350 TN CNR CNW Matilida 38 f TN CNR CNW Mary 13 f TN AS Nancy F 10 f TN AS Sarah E 8 f TN AS Irazella 6 f TN AS Panilla 3 f TN Martha Ann 3/12 f TN Federal Census - Marion, Arkansas Blythe Township June 21, 1860 379,1 William Watkins 47 m Farmer 385 AR Matilda 47 f TN Nancy F 23 f TN Sarah 19 f TN Parasada 17 f TN Parrilla 15 f TN Matilda 8 f TN Thank you for any help, Teresa Konoski WATKINS-WADKINS-MASON-RIPPEE

Anyone know who the Nancy L. Halbert (b. 1821) is on the 1850 Lincoln Co., TN census in household of Pleasant Halbert? Household 774 (page 296 of the annotated 1850 census). I had assumed she was his sister but I just read that he had one sister, Martha, who died young.

I recently spent a day in Fayetteville, TN doing genealogical research. With the help of Jim McNeal and his wife Jane I was able to find exactly the information I was searching for. Jim opened up the LCGS office and made all resources available for my search. He assisted me by following leads as I research other leads. His wife made telephone calls to help locate a certain school. With their assistance a two day digging through books and papers was reduces to two hours and my questions and one roadblock were answered. Again thanks to the McNeals for their help. I also traveled to Petersburg, TN that day and visited the Morgan School. My father had gone to school there in 1939-1940. I also had the opportunity to meet and talk with an own schoolmate of his. Turk Warren still lives in Petersburg and had numerous stories to tell me of the school and my father. Peggy Coleman was visiting with Turk when I arrived and she shared some more stories of the area today. Sad to say that controversy has enveloped the school and its use. Hopefully it can be resolved and the memories saved. Again thanks to each and every person in Lincoln County that assisted me and made me and my wife welcome. Ernest Leatherman eleatherman@ma-apple.com RAOGK Volunteer Find-A-Grave Volunteer Researching Leatherman, Grant, Partee, Wilson, Adams, Owens

James A couple of notes that I have in my records might be of interest to you.  First Parenthia Parks Isom is the daughter of William Parks and  Mary C Thurston.  My records show the Isom marriage as her only marriage (no Tuckers as far as I can see).  Her daughter Tranquilla did marry John Tucker who lived two door down from her family during the 1880 census. I have some documents that use the name "Melia" for "Amelia" in other Isom relatives so I suppose that could be the case here.  I also have an unknown "Crabtree" married to Amelia Valentine Isom's sister Sarah (Sallie) but that is from genealogy sheets I received from Billy Isom so it is not my original research.  If Sarah did marry a Crabtree it would have been after 1900 and there is a better chance of finding a marriage license in that time period.  The Kerr Genealogy worksheets from the Fayetteville, TN library show Charlie C. Crabtree born 1895 as son of  George W. Crabtree and Amelia V. Isom.  Again, not my original work but someone from closer to the actual site than I am. Hope that helps. Jean Isom ________________________________ From: "tnlincol-request@rootsweb.com" <tnlincol-request@rootsweb.com> To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 2:01:53 AM Subject: TNLINCOL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 104 Today's Topics:   1. George W. Crabtree & Arnealy "Nellie" Isom (James L. Danley)   2. Opps!  Saffir Isom (James L. Danley)   3. Re: Opps!  Saffir Isom (Julia Molitz)   4. George W. Crabtree & Arnealy "Nellie" Isom (James L. Danley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:29:47 -0700 From: "James L. Danley" <jldanley@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [TNLINCOL] George W. Crabtree & Arnealy "Nellie" Isom To: "TNLINCOL" <TNLINCOL@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B3EE670381F14CEB8615FB4F4BDF60FF@Danley> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1" Dear List, The obituary of Charles C. Crabtree is published in the "Lincoln County News," issue dated Jun 10, 1937 (thanks to Dwight Winsett's posting to the following website:  http://www.usgwarchives.org/tn/lincoln/obits.html ). "Crabtree     "Funeral services for Charles Crabtree, 41, who died Tuesday of a skull fracture when a lever used in stretching fence wire flew back and hit him in the head, were conducted by Rev. R. S. Brown.     Mr. Crabtree, a farmer, who lived near Petersburg, was constructing some new fences on his farm when the accident occurred.     He is survived by his wife, Mrs. Lorene Irwin Crabtree; four daughters, Virginia, Robbie, Dorothy and Myra Crabtree; a son, Thomas Crabtree, and his mother, Mrs. Arnealy Crabtree.     Mr. Crabtree was a school bus driver in addition to his farming activities.     He was a World War veteran, a member of the American Legion and a member of the Petersburg Presbyterian Church." The 1900 LCT census (11th Civil District) has the following household: HH 94-94 Crabtree, G. W., Junr.                        Feb 1853  47  TN  NC  TN M. V.                                Wife            Mar 1858  42  TN  GA TN  (married 13 yrs) Charly C.                        Son            Aug 1895    4  TN  TN  TN Isom, Saffir (?)              S-in-law      May 1857  43  TN  GA  TN I believe this couple to be George W. Crabtree (b. 1853; d. 17 Jun 1926) and Nellie Isom who married on 13 Jan 1887 in LCT.  And their son, Charly C. Crabtree, to be the subject of the above obituary. However, I am trying to reconcile Charles C. Crabtree's mother's name.  The LCT marriage record has George W. Crabtree's wife as "Nelie Isom."  The 1900 LCT census has her as "M. V."  The obituary has her as "Mrs. Arnealy Crabtree." I can see Nellie being a nickname for Arnealy.  But where does the "M. V." come in?  Or is the "M" another nickname, "Melia?" Now then the 1900 LCT census record identifies Saffir Isom as George W. Crabtree's "SON-in-law."  I believe that to be an error and that he might really be a brother-in-law OR possibly a stepson (more later). I have tried locating Arnealy "Nellie" (M. V.) Isom and/or possible brother, Saffir Isom, in the 1860, 1870 or 1880 census records.  The closest I find for her is Amelia V. Isom, the daughter of Clayborne H. Isom/Isham and Parthenia S. Parkes (married previously to a TURKER or TUCKER).  In 1860 she is listed as "Amelia" (age 3) and in 1870 she is listed as "A. V" (age 14). The fact that she has the middle initial "V." is encouraging.  HOWEVER, there is no brother, Saffir Isom, in either census: 1860 LCT Census (11th Civil District) HH 1190-1106 C. H. Isams    40  TN Parthena        39  TN William          16  TN James            15  TN Martha            13  TN Mary              11  TN Tranquilla        9  TN Malinda            7  TN Sarah              5  TN Amelia            3  TN 1870 LCT Census (11th Civil District) HH 101-101 Isom, C. H.    52  TN Parthenia      50  TN James A.      24  TN Martha C.      21  TN Mary F.          19  TN Malinda        17  TN Tranquilla      18  TN Sarah            16  TN A. V.              14  TN Could it be that Saffir Isom is neither a brother-in-law or son-in-law of George W. Crabtree, but rather a stepson?  Could Arnealy "Nellie" (M. V.) have been married previously to an ISOM? Any information that might confirm that Charles C. Crabtree is, in fact, the son of George W. Crabtree; that "Arnealy," "Nellie," and "M. V." are the same person would be greatly appreciated. And any information that confirms Arnealy "Nellie" (M. V.) parents and Saffir Isom's parents would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! James L. Danley Vista, CA jldanley@sbcglobal.net ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:08:42 -0700 From: "James L. Danley" <jldanley@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [TNLINCOL] Opps!  Saffir Isom To: "TNLINCOL" <TNLINCOL@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <FFB6695A47314004B3A2FD9D78E08B0B@Danley> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1" Dear List, That's what I get for rushing.  Saffir Isom is actually a female.  So the S-in-law is for SISTER-in-law.  However, there is still no sister, Saffir Isom, for Amelia V. Isom.  Unless what looks like "Saffir" is really supposed to be "Sarah." James L. Danley Vista, CA jldanley@sbcglobal.net ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:46:13 -0700 From: "Julia Molitz" <jmolitz@cox.net> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Opps!  Saffir Isom To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1916CEA013A84B6B963F71F8260D840B@Julia> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original Jim, Ancestry has in their index Saffire but as I look at the microfilm on Ancestry there are notations written over part of the name, take them away and it looks like Sallie to me.. Julia ----- Original Message ----- From: "James L. Danley" <jldanley@sbcglobal.net> To: "TNLINCOL" <TNLINCOL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:08 AM Subject: [TNLINCOL] Opps! Saffir Isom > Dear List, > > That's what I get for rushing.  Saffir Isom is actually a female.  So the > S-in-law is for SISTER-in-law.  However, there is still no sister, Saffir > Isom, for Amelia V. Isom.  Unless what looks like "Saffir" is really > supposed to be "Sarah." > > James L. Danley > Vista, CA > jldanley@sbcglobal.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:37:34 -0700 From: "James L. Danley" <jldanley@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [TNLINCOL] George W. Crabtree & Arnealy "Nellie" Isom To: "TNLINCOL" <TNLINCOL@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <C2A4997F6F804A90A8BEE9F96CF82C02@Danley> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1" Dear List, For Saffir Isom to be a stepson of George W. Crabtree, his age would have to be much younger.  Of course it won't work with him being 1 year older than Arnealy "Nellie" (M. V.) Isom. James L. 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Dear Julia, Thanks so much for the observation. Upon closer review, it is the enumerators notation that makes the L's look like F's. It clearly is "Sallie." Since Clayborne H. Isom & Parthenia S. Parkes do have a daughter, Sarah, who is a year older than Arnealy (Amelia) V. "Nellie" Isom, it certainly fits that George W. Crabtree is the son-in-law of Clayborne H. Isom. Now then, for those of you who don't have access to the original census record (1900 LCT census, 11th Civil District, HH 94-94), there are notations made, apparently, by the enumerator next to each head of household. Some of these notations are right over some of the names. The notation next to G. H. Crabtree's name is "4-1" above a handwritten line, and "Rf-4" below the line. The next head of household (S. M. Ridner) has the same notation: "4-1" over "Rf-4." However the next head of household (H. F. Crabtree--actually, Henry Lafayette Crabtree, George W. Crabtree's brother) has "7-1" over "Rf-7." Would anyone have any idea as to what these notations mean? James L. Danley Vista, CA jldanley@sbcglobal.net

Jim, Ancestry has in their index Saffire but as I look at the microfilm on Ancestry there are notations written over part of the name, take them away and it looks like Sallie to me.. Julia ----- Original Message ----- From: "James L. Danley" <jldanley@sbcglobal.net> To: "TNLINCOL" <TNLINCOL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:08 AM Subject: [TNLINCOL] Opps! Saffir Isom > Dear List, > > That's what I get for rushing. Saffir Isom is actually a female. So the > S-in-law is for SISTER-in-law. However, there is still no sister, Saffir > Isom, for Amelia V. Isom. Unless what looks like "Saffir" is really > supposed to be "Sarah." > > James L. Danley > Vista, CA > jldanley@sbcglobal.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >