Thanks, Donnie. I can especially considered the Y test because I have male cousins who are sons of sons of sons and so on, strictly male descendants in a direct line. Others of us are daughters of fathers in that line, but there are not straight male descendancy. For instance my great grandfather was a direct male from the Swaner progenitor, but it then goes to my grandmother(female) to my dad to me(female) and I have one son who has one daughter. It is every other one in my direct line. Sooo, I chose to ask a cousin who has the same great grandfather but there are only males back for at least 4 more generations. Where the results should get interesting is when the same lines merge about 2-3 generations down from the progenitor. My great grandparents were cousins but from different generations. The Swaner progenitor's eldest son's grandaughter(Callie) married the progenitor's youngest son's middle son(Jerry). Not sure how may times they are "removed". But both greats carry some of the very same genes with the exception that hers will reflect more of her father's (Weaver) than from her Swaner mother. Confused yet? This is why I am testing the Y only. The Beavers line is very short and very direct. Thank goodness. I did some reading on the FTDNA site last nite to aquaint myself a little with the background and process. Hardly a simple process. The more I read on different tests the more confusing it became so I backed off and confimred the Y is still the best way to go. I did notice that FTDNA offered those who signed on with other testing organizations to upgrade and have thier info analyzed. > From: scotsman@cafes.net > To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 14:56:09 -0500 > Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question > > Donna, > > > > The Y DNA is strictly passed along from father to son, MOSTLY unchanged > (except for the occasional single-marker mutation), generation after > generation. The mother plays no part at all in the yDNA and none of her > genes are represented in any Y comparison - that's why the person having the > test must be a male direct descendant for this to work. Any male having the > yDNA test will be testing only the Y chromosome. > > > > Children, both male and female, inherit all of their mitochondrial DNA (or > mtDNA) from their mother. All of a mother's sons will bear only her mtDNA > and, because they are biologically incapable of passing that along to their > offspring, male OR female, it dies with them. Biologically, the male can > pass on nothing but yDNA. > > > > The genetic test for Indian ancestry is indeed a separate test. > > > > Now I'll leave the Indian ancestry question to others on the list, BUT - I > would THINK that any positive test for Indian ancestry in the yDNA would > mean that the progenitor of that particular male line was a full blood > Indian. Again I would THINK that any other Indian genetic influence in any > direct male European, Asian, or African line would be the result of mtDNA of > the maternal ancestry a particular generation. > > > > I'd like to hear more from someone on the LCT list who's actually had a > genetic test for Indian ancestry, or who's explored it and knows more about > it. I have some Indian ancestry myself but it is in my grandfather's > maternal line and I wouldn't THINK it would show up in me at all. > > > > ?????????????? > > > Now I promise to be quiet this time! > > Donnie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Hanlon" <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> > To: "LCT list" <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question > > > > When different markers appear in the Y comparisons, is that maybe a dominant > gene from possibly a mother? When you are testing Y DNA, most of the markers > will appear the same for each generation, right? Bascially this proves that > the person you tested will display the same markers as the generations > preceding him. any variations from that would be possibly a dominent or > recessive gene picked up along the way or possibly doubled or negated at > some point? Clear as mud, huh? > > > > Since my tree does not branch much, I may have some interesting results. My > great grandparents had in common the same ancestor, about 2 generations > apart. But, thankfully, I don't have 6 webbed toes per foot. > > > > I really appreciate you all taking the time to answer my questions. Many > thanks. Donna > > > > Will be getting back to you more in the future, as it seems I am related to > half of Lincoln ct. by blood or marriage. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/

Bill Trott wrote: > Donnie, > Yes, I checked census records and there is no shortage of John Porters, > however these is the only mention of a John Porter in my data. > > > *Excuse my previous grammer ----- 'these _are_ the only'* > Bill Trott Pasadena, TX

Bill, The Forked Deer River could have extended into Stewart CO., TN. Stewart CO was established in 1803 however Rev War Vets where taking up land grants as early as 1780. I have not been able, so far, to find a map of Stewart CO., TN in1803 to see just how the lines have changed over the many years. Here are some more sites that may be of help. http://tennesseeencyclopedia.net/imagegallery.php?EntryID=M107 http://www.mytennesseegenealogy.com/tn-county-stewart.html ---- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Trott" <WTROTT@comcast.net> To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Childress - Porter > Julia, > No, the grant does not have Dyer County. I almost looks like 'Stewart". > I cannot send an attachment in roots-web. Note that the survey, in ?? > county is dated 1821, two years before Dyer County was formed. On a road > map I see the Middle Fork of the Forked River to be in several counties > in the western part and then flowing east. I also have a note that > indicates they also had land in Madison County (western TN) > > Donnie, > Yes, I checked census records and there is no shortage of John Porters, > however these is the only mention of a John Porter in my data. > > Reps did have land west of Fayetteville and south of highway 64. That > would be the Swan Creek area, I think. > > Bill Trott > Pasadena, TX > > Julia Molitz wrote: >> When in in question always Google. Forked Deer River is in Dyer CO., TN >> which was formed in 1823 from Indian land. >> >> http://www.topix.com/album/detail/dyersburg-tn/JN7GU1CAHJPNO64O >> >> http://tn-roots.com/tndyer/ >> >> >From the book "Founding of the Cumberland Settlements" "The First Atlas >> 1779-1804" >> Benjamin heirs, John heirs,Charles, John, and William Porter had land >> grants >> in Middle TN. Also Henry Childress had a land grant as well. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill Trott" <WTROTT@comcast.net> >> To: <TNLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:28 PM >> Subject: [TNLINCOL] Childress - Porter >> >> >> >>> I hae a photo copy of land grant -- >>> >>> ".... certificate no 1893 dated the 19th day of october 1820 isued by >>> the board of fommissioners for West Tennessee to Childers & Porter for >>> 5451/2 acres and entered on the 18th day of December 1820 ???180 >>> ........" >>> >>> ".... the said Reps O Childress & John Porter and their heirs ........ >>> survey bearing date the 31st day of May 1821 lying in the Thirteenth >>> District in ?????? County in the first section and fourth Range on the >>> Waters of the Middlefork of Forked Deer River and bounded as follows to >>> wit ............" >>> >>> The last part is the finalization of the grant "........ Reps O >>> Childress & Jno Porter and their heirs forever. In witness whereof, >>> William arroll Governor of the stte of Tennessee, hath hereunto set his >>> hand, and caused the great seal of the state to be affixed , at >>> Murfreesborough (sic) on the 16th day of February in the year of our >>> Lord one thousand eight hundred and twenty five ...." >>> >>> My questions ---- what county is this? (Stewart???) I see the Middle >>> Fork of the Forked Deer River over in Western TN. I don't have a map of >>> the sections and Ranges. >>> >>> Who was John Porter and what was his connection to Reps. >>> >>> I am a descendant of Reps Osborn Childress and have considerable >>> information on him and his descendants. >>> >>> Thanks for any information. >>> >>> >>> Bill Trott >>> Pasadena, TX >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Julia, No, the grant does not have Dyer County. I almost looks like 'Stewart". I cannot send an attachment in roots-web. Note that the survey, in ?? county is dated 1821, two years before Dyer County was formed. On a road map I see the Middle Fork of the Forked River to be in several counties in the western part and then flowing east. I also have a note that indicates they also had land in Madison County (western TN) Donnie, Yes, I checked census records and there is no shortage of John Porters, however these is the only mention of a John Porter in my data. Reps did have land west of Fayetteville and south of highway 64. That would be the Swan Creek area, I think. Bill Trott Pasadena, TX Julia Molitz wrote: > When in in question always Google. Forked Deer River is in Dyer CO., TN > which was formed in 1823 from Indian land. > > http://www.topix.com/album/detail/dyersburg-tn/JN7GU1CAHJPNO64O > > http://tn-roots.com/tndyer/ > > >From the book "Founding of the Cumberland Settlements" "The First Atlas > 1779-1804" > Benjamin heirs, John heirs,Charles, John, and William Porter had land grants > in Middle TN. Also Henry Childress had a land grant as well. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Trott" <WTROTT@comcast.net> > To: <TNLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:28 PM > Subject: [TNLINCOL] Childress - Porter > > > >> I hae a photo copy of land grant -- >> >> ".... certificate no 1893 dated the 19th day of october 1820 isued by >> the board of fommissioners for West Tennessee to Childers & Porter for >> 5451/2 acres and entered on the 18th day of December 1820 ???180 >> ........" >> >> ".... the said Reps O Childress & John Porter and their heirs ........ >> survey bearing date the 31st day of May 1821 lying in the Thirteenth >> District in ?????? County in the first section and fourth Range on the >> Waters of the Middlefork of Forked Deer River and bounded as follows to >> wit ............" >> >> The last part is the finalization of the grant "........ Reps O >> Childress & Jno Porter and their heirs forever. In witness whereof, >> William arroll Governor of the stte of Tennessee, hath hereunto set his >> hand, and caused the great seal of the state to be affixed , at >> Murfreesborough (sic) on the 16th day of February in the year of our >> Lord one thousand eight hundred and twenty five ...." >> >> My questions ---- what county is this? (Stewart???) I see the Middle >> Fork of the Forked Deer River over in Western TN. I don't have a map of >> the sections and Ranges. >> >> Who was John Porter and what was his connection to Reps. >> >> I am a descendant of Reps Osborn Childress and have considerable >> information on him and his descendants. >> >> Thanks for any information. >> >> >> Bill Trott >> Pasadena, TX >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Joy, A human being has 23 chromosome pairs which contain 3,000,000,000 nucleotide pairs / markers. 22 of the chromosomes pairs are made up of autosomal DNA. The 23rd chromosome pair determines the sex of the individual and in normal circumstances is either either 2 x chromosomes (female), or an x and a y chromosomes (male). There are other possible combinations that are extremely rare, which I won't discuss here. Haplogroup describes the branch of the human family tree to which an individual belongs. There is a genetic family tree for yDNA (men) and a genetic family tree for mtDNA (men and women). The trees have branches based on the mutations that have occurred in human beings over the last 200,000 years. You can see the yDNA phylogenetic tree at www.ISSOG.org and the mtDNA phylogenetic tree at http://www.phylotree.org. In genetic genealogy, for yDNA testing, up to 67 markers are the basic test to determine genetic or biological relationships. These markers have been very carefully selected, so that a match in these markers conclusively proves a family relationship within the last 500 years, a period for which written records exist. yDNA is passed from a father to his sons, generation after generation, almost, but not entirely without change. In some families there are almost no mutations. In other families there are more mutations. In other words, some matches can be 67 / 67 and in others 63 /67, it just depends on the stability of the yDNA within a family. In cases where the matches are more separated, say 60 / 67, the common ancestor is considered to be so far in the past that the relationship cannot be supported with documentation. Because yDNA passes from generation to generation with few mutations, it can be used to track a surname. mtDNA is not chromosomal like yDNA. mtDNA is a component of each persons cells. mtDNA is passed from a woman to all of her children both sons and daughters, but only the daughters pass it on to the next generation. mtDNA seems to mutate much slower than yDNA, therefore over the generations it is much more consistent. Unfortunately, since the surname changes each generation, it is much more difficult to trace for genealogical purposes. It is also the case that only doing the Full Genetic Sequence will give you enough genetic information to confirm a family match. Testing Hyper Variable Region I and II only tell you your haplogroup, and is in my opinion equivalent to a 12 or a 25 marker yDNA test. The important genetic information seems to be in the Control Region. Autosomal DNA is what makes up the other 22 chromosomes in a human being. Up to now, it has been little used for genealogical purposes. There are now companies like 23andMe which are attempting to extract genealogical information from autosomal DNA. As I said in my last message, how much autosomal DNA an individual inherits from one or the other of his or her parents can range theoretically from fifty to 100%. Autosomal DNA is the largest genetic component in a human being and is just beginning to be explored. A man does not inherit his mother's markers. Markers are components of yDNA which he gets from his father. A man gets an x chromosome from his mother, but that is more complex and is not currently being tested that I know of. A man does inherit his mother's mtDNA, which she inherited from her mother, who inherited it from her mother, all the way back to Eve. Any words in either of my messages which you did not understand should be googled for a definition, or a more complete explanation. Believe me, my explanations are about as simplified as it gets. I do, however, understand why the whole subject can be overwhelming. I am not a scientist. I have been managing yDNA projects at FTDNA for the last four years. The above is my understanding from what I have read and learned from attending the FTDNA conferences for project managers each year. In general the above explanation is I believe correct, but please be tolerant if I erred somewhere. Marleen Van Horne

Bill, It would be hard to nail down this John Porter without more information, but there was no shortage of John Porters in Davidson, Lincoln, Marshall, and Maury counties in Middle TN. Your document would have rightly been signed and dated at Murfreesboro(ugh) TN that year because, for just a brief spell, Murfreesboro was the state capitol of TN. Like you, I have no info on districts or ranges along the Forked Deer but other folks on the LCT list may be able to direct you to "help." If you come up with further info to isolate and pen down John Porter, let me know and I might be able to help you determine exactly which "John" you are dealing with. Donnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Trott" <WTROTT@comcast.net> To: <TNLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 11:28 PM Subject: [TNLINCOL] Childress - Porter >I hae a photo copy of land grant -- > > ".... certificate no 1893 dated the 19th day of october 1820 isued by > the board of fommissioners for West Tennessee to Childers & Porter for > 5451/2 acres and entered on the 18th day of December 1820 ???180 > ........" > > ".... the said Reps O Childress & John Porter and their heirs ........ > survey bearing date the 31st day of May 1821 lying in the Thirteenth > District in ?????? County in the first section and fourth Range on the > Waters of the Middlefork of Forked Deer River and bounded as follows to > wit ............" > > The last part is the finalization of the grant "........ Reps O > Childress & Jno Porter and their heirs forever. In witness whereof, > William arroll Governor of the stte of Tennessee, hath hereunto set his > hand, and caused the great seal of the state to be affixed , at > Murfreesborough (sic) on the 16th day of February in the year of our > Lord one thousand eight hundred and twenty five ...." > > My questions ---- what county is this? (Stewart???) I see the Middle > Fork of the Forked Deer River over in Western TN. I don't have a map of > the sections and Ranges. > > Who was John Porter and what was his connection to Reps. > > I am a descendant of Reps Osborn Childress and have considerable > information on him and his descendants. > > Thanks for any information. > > > Bill Trott > Pasadena, TX > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I hae a photo copy of land grant -- ".... certificate no 1893 dated the 19th day of october 1820 isued by the board of fommissioners for West Tennessee to Childers & Porter for 5451/2 acres and entered on the 18th day of December 1820 ???180 ........" ".... the said Reps O Childress & John Porter and their heirs ........ survey bearing date the 31st day of May 1821 lying in the Thirteenth District in ?????? County in the first section and fourth Range on the Waters of the Middlefork of Forked Deer River and bounded as follows to wit ............" The last part is the finalization of the grant "........ Reps O Childress & Jno Porter and their heirs forever. In witness whereof, William arroll Governor of the stte of Tennessee, hath hereunto set his hand, and caused the great seal of the state to be affixed , at Murfreesborough (sic) on the 16th day of February in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and twenty five ...." My questions ---- what county is this? (Stewart???) I see the Middle Fork of the Forked Deer River over in Western TN. I don't have a map of the sections and Ranges. Who was John Porter and what was his connection to Reps. I am a descendant of Reps Osborn Childress and have considerable information on him and his descendants. Thanks for any information. Bill Trott Pasadena, TX

In a message dated 10/4/2009 12:56:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, scotsman@cafes.net writes: <All of a mother's sons will bear only her mtDNA and, because they are biologically incapable of passing that along to their offspring, male OR female, it dies with them.> ___________________________________________________________________________ So you are saying that all of the grandchildren from sons carry no inherited characteristics from their grandmother's line? That's sort of a blow.

When in in question always Google. Forked Deer River is in Dyer CO., TN which was formed in 1823 from Indian land. http://www.topix.com/album/detail/dyersburg-tn/JN7GU1CAHJPNO64O http://tn-roots.com/tndyer/ >From the book "Founding of the Cumberland Settlements" "The First Atlas 1779-1804" Benjamin heirs, John heirs,Charles, John, and William Porter had land grants in Middle TN. Also Henry Childress had a land grant as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Trott" <WTROTT@comcast.net> To: <TNLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: [TNLINCOL] Childress - Porter >I hae a photo copy of land grant -- > > ".... certificate no 1893 dated the 19th day of october 1820 isued by > the board of fommissioners for West Tennessee to Childers & Porter for > 5451/2 acres and entered on the 18th day of December 1820 ???180 > ........" > > ".... the said Reps O Childress & John Porter and their heirs ........ > survey bearing date the 31st day of May 1821 lying in the Thirteenth > District in ?????? County in the first section and fourth Range on the > Waters of the Middlefork of Forked Deer River and bounded as follows to > wit ............" > > The last part is the finalization of the grant "........ Reps O > Childress & Jno Porter and their heirs forever. In witness whereof, > William arroll Governor of the stte of Tennessee, hath hereunto set his > hand, and caused the great seal of the state to be affixed , at > Murfreesborough (sic) on the 16th day of February in the year of our > Lord one thousand eight hundred and twenty five ...." > > My questions ---- what county is this? (Stewart???) I see the Middle > Fork of the Forked Deer River over in Western TN. I don't have a map of > the sections and Ranges. > > Who was John Porter and what was his connection to Reps. > > I am a descendant of Reps Osborn Childress and have considerable > information on him and his descendants. > > Thanks for any information. > > > Bill Trott > Pasadena, TX > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Marlene   I would really like to understand what you are saying. Can you please put it in layman's terms for those of us who do not understand the lingo. In other words state it as simple as possible.   In addition to yDNA (men) and mtDNA (men and women) there is autosomal DNA.  What is autosomal DNA?   Father's and sons do share the same DNA makeup. That's why we have surname projects.   Also, isn't it true that a man has his mothers DNA markers.  Or he could have his mother's grandmother's DNA markers. That's why mtDNA is so hard to figure out on the maternal side. Not impossible but it can be difficult. Because the man does not now which maternal grandmother's markers he received from his mother or how many generations back those mtDNA markers are.   Thank you.   Joy   --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> wrote: From: Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question + mtDNA To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 9:05 PM A woman's grandchildren from her sons do not inherit any of her mtDNA. mtDNA passes from a woman to all her children.  It dead ends in her sons and is only passed on by the daughters to all their children. In addition to yDNA (men) and mtDNA (men and women) there is autosomal DNA.  This is all DNA which isn't either y, x or mt, in other words all the rest of chromosomes. The way autosomal DNA is pass out is not a one from mother, one from dad.  It is theoretically possibly for a child to get all his or her autosomal DNA from one parent or the other, but usually there is some sort of division between fifty and one hundred percent. If a woman has a son, she is less related to his son, than she is to his daughter.  The daughter has one of her x chromosomes and some of her autosomal DNA.  The son only has some of her autosomal DNA. A woman is more closely genetically related to her daughters children. the daughter's son have their grandmother's mtDNA and autosomal DNA. The daughter's daughters have their grandmother's mtDNA, some of her autosomal DNA and may have all or part of one of her x chromosomes. Marleen Van Horne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A woman's grandchildren from her sons do not inherit any of her mtDNA. mtDNA passes from a woman to all her children. It dead ends in her sons and is only passed on by the daughters to all their children. In addition to yDNA (men) and mtDNA (men and women) there is autosomal DNA. This is all DNA which isn't either y, x or mt, in other words all the rest of chromosomes. The way autosomal DNA is pass out is not a one from mother, one from dad. It is theoretically possibly for a child to get all his or her autosomal DNA from one parent or the other, but usually there is some sort of division between fifty and one hundred percent. If a woman has a son, she is less related to his son, than she is to his daughter. The daughter has one of her x chromosomes and some of her autosomal DNA. The son only has some of her autosomal DNA. A woman is more closely genetically related to her daughters children. the daughter's son have their grandmother's mtDNA and autosomal DNA. The daughter's daughters have their grandmother's mtDNA, some of her autosomal DNA and may have all or part of one of her x chromosomes. Marleen Van Horne

Randy, You are for the most part correct, with the caveat that matches at 37 markers have been know to disappear when 67 marker test were done. In most cases markers 38 to 67 remove all doubt about a match, sometimes however they disprove the match. It all depends on how much confidence you want in the match. There are many people who think they have proved a family relationship, with a 12 or 25 marker match with another person who has done the 37 or 67 marker test---not so, all they have proved is that they are in the same haplogroup. While it is necessary to be in the same haplogroup to have a match, that does not prove you are related within genealogical time, the last 500 years. People in the same haplogroup are related, but it could be as much as 40,000 years ago. The purpose of genetic testing for genealogical purposes is to find matches within a realistic time frame. Marleen Van Horne

Donna, The four basic tests are 12, 25, 37 and 67 markers. In addition to that there are a bunch of other tests you can do, but whether you should do them depends on what happens with your initial results. If you want, do the 67 or the 37 marker test, then write to me and I will give you an analysis of your results, and point you to where you can go for more information. Marleen

Donna, The Y DNA is strictly passed along from father to son, MOSTLY unchanged (except for the occasional single-marker mutation), generation after generation. The mother plays no part at all in the yDNA and none of her genes are represented in any Y comparison - that's why the person having the test must be a male direct descendant for this to work. Any male having the yDNA test will be testing only the Y chromosome. Children, both male and female, inherit all of their mitochondrial DNA (or mtDNA) from their mother. All of a mother's sons will bear only her mtDNA and, because they are biologically incapable of passing that along to their offspring, male OR female, it dies with them. Biologically, the male can pass on nothing but yDNA. The genetic test for Indian ancestry is indeed a separate test. Now I'll leave the Indian ancestry question to others on the list, BUT - I would THINK that any positive test for Indian ancestry in the yDNA would mean that the progenitor of that particular male line was a full blood Indian. Again I would THINK that any other Indian genetic influence in any direct male European, Asian, or African line would be the result of mtDNA of the maternal ancestry a particular generation. I'd like to hear more from someone on the LCT list who's actually had a genetic test for Indian ancestry, or who's explored it and knows more about it. I have some Indian ancestry myself but it is in my grandfather's maternal line and I wouldn't THINK it would show up in me at all. ?????????????? Now I promise to be quiet this time! Donnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Hanlon" <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> To: "LCT list" <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question When different markers appear in the Y comparisons, is that maybe a dominant gene from possibly a mother? When you are testing Y DNA, most of the markers will appear the same for each generation, right? Bascially this proves that the person you tested will display the same markers as the generations preceding him. any variations from that would be possibly a dominent or recessive gene picked up along the way or possibly doubled or negated at some point? Clear as mud, huh? Since my tree does not branch much, I may have some interesting results. My great grandparents had in common the same ancestor, about 2 generations apart. But, thankfully, I don't have 6 webbed toes per foot. I really appreciate you all taking the time to answer my questions. Many thanks. Donna Will be getting back to you more in the future, as it seems I am related to half of Lincoln ct. by blood or marriage.

Hi All,   I have been following the discussions on DNA with interest.  I agree with Donnie Porter's comments and would like to share my personal DNA experience with the group.    I am the moderator for the Rootsweb Tallman List and we had subscribed to DNA testing with FTDNA, both Y and mtDNA. I can't fault FTDNA for their work, but I do have reservations of how people apply the information to their genealogical data.  If you read the fine print, identical matches are not a 100% guarentee that the individuals are related, but rather a high probability.  If that's OK with you, fine.  I consider it a guide for further research. I prefer the dusty and moldy old records.   I also did mtDNA search for my native American line.  My Dad told me that his Grandmother  was a Cherokee Princess.  I used that comment at Cherokee Web site and was laughed at.  Seems an Indian Princess is not a complimentory term.  Regarding the mtDNA, one needs an uninterupted female line, which I had.  I was advised that all I could expect was a NO or a MAYBE.  So, I'm still at "MAYBE" and stonewalled.   I'll join Donnie and keep my mouth shut.   Bob Tallman       Sun, 10/4/09, Donnie F. Porter <scotsman@cafes.net> wrote: From: Donnie F. Porter <scotsman@cafes.net> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 3:56 PM Donna, The Y DNA is strictly passed along from father to son, MOSTLY unchanged (except for the occasional single-marker mutation), generation after generation. The mother plays no part at all in the yDNA and none of her genes are represented in any Y comparison - that's why the person having the test must be a male direct descendant for this to work. Any male having the yDNA test will be testing only the Y chromosome. Children, both male and female, inherit all of their mitochondrial DNA (or mtDNA) from their mother. All of a mother's sons will bear only her mtDNA and, because they are biologically incapable of passing that along to their offspring, male OR female, it dies with them. Biologically, the male can pass on nothing but yDNA. The genetic test for Indian ancestry is indeed a separate test. Now I'll leave the Indian ancestry question to others on the list, BUT - I would THINK that any positive test for Indian ancestry in the yDNA would mean that the progenitor of that particular male line was a full blood Indian. Again I would THINK that any other Indian genetic influence in any direct male European, Asian, or African line would be the result of mtDNA of the maternal ancestry a particular generation. I'd like to hear more from someone on the LCT list who's actually had a genetic test for Indian ancestry, or who's explored it and knows more about it. I have some Indian ancestry myself but it is in my grandfather's maternal line and I wouldn't THINK it would show up in me at all. ?????????????? Now I promise to be quiet this time! Donnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Hanlon" <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> To: "LCT list" <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question When different markers appear in the Y comparisons, is that maybe a dominant gene from possibly a mother? When you are testing Y DNA, most of the markers will appear the same for each generation, right? Bascially this proves that the person you tested will display the same markers as the generations preceding him.  any variations from that would be possibly a dominent or recessive gene picked up along the way or possibly doubled or negated at some point? Clear as mud, huh? Since my tree does not branch much, I may have some interesting results. My great grandparents had in common the same ancestor, about 2 generations apart. But, thankfully, I don't have 6 webbed toes per foot. I really appreciate you all taking the time to answer my questions. Many thanks. Donna Will be getting back to you more in the future, as it seems I am related to half of Lincoln ct. by blood or marriage. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I say Family Tree DNA hands down! They have been around the longest and they are focused on the genealogical aspect! At 10:56 PM 10/3/2009, you wrote: >Today's Topics: > > 1. DNA question (Donna Hanlon) > 2. Re: DNA question (Bob McAlister) > 3. Re: DNA question (randy stewart) > 4. Re: DNA question (Sam Jobe) > 5. Re: DNA question (Marleen Van Horne) > 6. Re: DNA question (Donnie F. Porter) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:00:31 -0500 >From: Donna Hanlon <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> >Subject: [TNLINCOL] DNA question >To: Lincoln ct TN List <tnlincol-l@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <BLU109-W11A18A83144CC00F96417C7D10@phx.gbl> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >I would like to check my Swaner DNA. I have located a direct line of >males(father to son) from my generation directly back to our first >known Swaner born 1790's. > > > >I have also found a Swanner line supposedly linked with ours that is >also a direct male line back to its first known ancestor born 1850 LCT. > > > >Also have found the direct Y line for my Beavers family dating back >to 1840 AL. > > > >All these would be a straight back male link or Y chromosome strain >(no females break the line). > > > >My question is, since there are so many companies offering this >research, who is the best and most affordably priced? AND who is >most reliable and easy to read? I am also interested in checking for >the Native American strain in both Beavers and Swaner lines. > > > >Your opinion matters very much to me. Thank you. Donna Hanlon > >_________________________________________________________________ >Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. >http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:57:18 -0400 >From: Bob McAlister <bob_mcalister@compuserve.com> >Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question >To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <8CC129C5F94CF4C-1194-23@angweb-usm013.sysops.aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >I have joined the McAlister Project on Family Tree DNA website. I >checked their website and there is a Swaner >project.(https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Swaner?) > You may have to log onto: http://www.familytreedna.com and >navigate to the correct page. If you work through the >"administrator" from the project, you can get a break on the price. > > > >Bob Mc > > > >In God We Trust > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Donna Hanlon <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> >To: Lincoln ct TN List <tnlincol-l@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:00 pm >Subject: [TNLINCOL] DNA question > > > > >I would like to check my Swaner DNA. I have located a direct line of >males(father to son) from my generation directly back to our first >known Swaner >born 1790's. > > > >I have also found a Swanner line supposedly linked with ours that is also a >direct male line back to its first known ancestor born 1850 LCT. > > > >Also have found the direct Y line for my Beavers family dating back >to 1840 AL. > > > >All these would be a straight back male link or Y chromosome strain >(no females >break the line). > > > >My question is, since there are so many companies offering this >research, who is >the best and most affordably priced? AND who is most reliable and >easy to read? >I am also interested in checking for the Native American strain in >both Beavers >and Swaner lines. > > > >Your opinion matters very much to me. Thank you. Donna Hanlon > >_________________________________________________________________ >Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. >http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/ > 177141665/direct/01/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:38:17 -0700 (PDT) >From: randy stewart <hiplainsdrifter4229@yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question >To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <381008.63604.qm@web52702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > >--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Donna Hanlon <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >From: Donna Hanlon <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> >Subject: [TNLINCOL] DNA question >To: "Lincoln ct TN List" <tnlincol-l@rootsweb.com> >Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 6:00 PM > > > >I would like to check my Swaner DNA. I have located a direct line of >males(father to son) from my generation directly back to our first >known Swaner born 1790's. > > > >I have also found a Swanner line supposedly linked with ours that is >also a direct male line back to its first known ancestor born 1850 LCT. > > > >Also have found the direct Y line for my Beavers family dating back >to 1840 AL. > > > >All these would be a straight back male link or Y chromosome strain >(no females break the line). > > > >My question is, since there are so many companies offering this >research, who is the best and most affordably priced? AND who is >most reliable and easy to read? I am also interested in checking for >the Native American strain in both Beavers and Swaner lines. > > > >Your opinion matters very much to me. Thank you. Donna Hanlon >??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? >???? I agree with the other reader about FamilyTreeDNA. They are >probably the oldest and most used program of this type. You might do >well to check out their website. I am going to use them in the next >few months myself to do a YDNA37 mtDNAplus?level check with male and >female lines. I think it is $299 to do it.? A12 chromosomal test >isn't enough really to help you, and statistically I there?very >little?more that you can find with a 67 chromosome test that you can >with a 37. The 67 costs $399.There are 5,600 family?surname >projects?listed with FamilyTreeDNA. >_________________________________________________________________ >Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. >http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:52:19 -0500 >From: "Sam Jobe" <SamsRoots@bellsouth.net> >Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question >To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <004a01ca448c$ed5807c0$c8081740$@Net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >You might want to compare the Ancestry.com/DNA program. It is cheaper and >has joined the group >To standardize the results. >Good Luck, >Sam > > >-----Original Message----- >From: tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com] >On Behalf Of randy stewart >Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 7:38 PM >To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question > > > >--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Donna Hanlon <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >From: Donna Hanlon <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> >Subject: [TNLINCOL] DNA question >To: "Lincoln ct TN List" <tnlincol-l@rootsweb.com> >Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 6:00 PM > > > >I would like to check my Swaner DNA. I have located a direct line of >males(father to son) from my generation directly back to our first known >Swaner born 1790's. > > > >I have also found a Swanner line supposedly linked with ours that is also a >direct male line back to its first known ancestor born 1850 LCT. > > > >Also have found the direct Y line for my Beavers family dating back to 1840 >AL. > > > >All these would be a straight back male link or Y chromosome strain (no >females break the line). > > > >My question is, since there are so many companies offering this research, >who is the best and most affordably priced? AND who is most reliable and >easy to read? I am also interested in checking for the Native American >strain in both Beavers and Swaner lines. > > > >Your opinion matters very much to me. Thank you. Donna Hanlon >??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? >???? I agree with the other reader about FamilyTreeDNA. They are probably >the oldest and most used program of this type. You might do well to check >out their website. I am going to use them in the next few months myself to >do a YDNA37 mtDNAplus?level check with male and female lines. I think it is >$299 to do it.? A12 chromosomal test isn't enough really to help you, and >statistically I there?very little?more that you can find with a 67 >chromosome test that you can with a 37. The 67 costs $399.There are 5,600 >family?surname projects?listed with FamilyTreeDNA. >_________________________________________________________________ >Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. >http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 18:50:46 -0700 >From: Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> >Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question >To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <4AC7FF76.4030704@jps.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Don't get too excited about Ancestry.com joining the standardization >group, Family Tree DNA has been working with the NIST for some time, it >is not just a matter of standardizing the marker names and values, there >are all the SNPs that need to be standardized to. > >Ancestry is definately cheaper, but there is alot more to genetic >testing for genealogical purposes, than the price, and Ancestry looses >in all other categories in my opinion. > >Marleen Van Horne > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 21:56:20 -0500 >From: "Donnie F. Porter" <scotsman@cafes.net> >Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question >To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <C77BF7C792674EDA88B01E60312CA17E@PorterPC> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Donna, > > > >My money (literally) is on FamilyTreeDNA..... > > > >In three years of yDNA comparison, even with Oxford University - the home of >Bryan Sykes, the "father" of this stuff - FamilyTreeDNA wins hands down in >my book. It's a bit more expensive but, in the quality and the utility of >the product, they stand head and shoulders above other genetic test >facilities. In my comparisons and explorations with people who have used >other facilities, (just ME now) their process and product seems >"rinky-dink." I'm not saying it isn't legitimate, I'm just saying there are >sometimes "issues" because each company is trying to establish something >that is unique about their testing which might, at some point, give them an >advantage in garnering more of the market share. Good for them - maybe not >so good for the consumer. > > > >PLUS - if you go on FTDNA's website and join a surname project BEFORE you >buy the test, you get an appreciable discount on the prices by purchasing >your test from the project website. AND - don't forget - around the >holidays, etc, they do run special sale prices on testing. > > > >I started out with a 37 marker yDNA test with FamilyTree, that was about >three years ago this last month. The thing about a 37 marker test is that if >there is a match and the person matching you has done a 67 marker test, you >IMMEDIATELY start to wonder just how close the match would be if YOU had the >67 marker test too! > > > >That's what happened to me exactly. I had a genetic distance of 2 with my >match and I couldn't rest until I got the upgrade to 67 markers. What I >learned from that upgrade was that, out of the additional 30 markers, we >only had 1 more marker that had mutated - at 67 markers we had a genetic >distance of 3......that's important when you start trying to connect common >ancestors generationally. > > > >Please listen to everyone who gives you input on who does the best job. I'm >sure you can see that I am well won over by FTDNA, but don't let that be >your sole guiding light - some folks like Fords, some Chevrolets, but some >folks like Buicks and Cadillacs. So listen to it all, weigh what you hear, >and make your best selection. It's a lot of money for most of us and you >don't want to regret your choice after that kind of outlay. > > > >Good luck! > >Donnie > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donna Hanlon" <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> >To: "Lincoln ct TN List" <tnlincol-l@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:00 PM >Subject: [TNLINCOL] DNA question > > > > > > I would like to check my Swaner DNA. I have located a direct line of > > males(father to son) from my generation directly back to our first known > > Swaner born 1790's. > > > > > > > > I have also found a Swanner line supposedly linked with ours that is also > > a direct male line back to its first known ancestor born 1850 LCT. > > > > > > > > Also have found the direct Y line for my Beavers family dating back to > > 1840 AL. > > > > > > > > All these would be a straight back male link or Y chromosome strain (no > > females break the line). > > > > > > > > My question is, since there are so many companies offering this research, > > who is the best and most affordably priced? AND who is most reliable and > > easy to read? I am also interested in checking for the Native American > > strain in both Beavers and Swaner lines. > > > > > > > > Your opinion matters very much to me. Thank you. 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When different markers appear in the Y comparisons, is that maybe a dominant gene from possibly a mother? When you are testing Y DNA, most of the markers will appear the same for each generation, right? Bascially this proves that the person you tested will display the same markers as the generations preceding him. any variations from that would be possibly a dominent or recessive gene picked up along the way or possibly doubled or negated at some point? Clear as mud, huh? Since my tree does not branch much, I may have some interesting results. My great grandparents had in common the same ancestor, about 2 generations apart. But, thankfully, I don't have 6 webbed toes per foot. I really appreciate you all taking the time to answer my questions. Many thanks. Donna Will be getting back to you more in the future, as it seems I am related to half of Lincoln ct. by blood or marriage. > From: scotsman@cafes.net > To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 21:56:20 -0500 > Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question > > Donna, > > > > My money (literally) is on FamilyTreeDNA..... > > > > In three years of yDNA comparison, even with Oxford University - the home of > Bryan Sykes, the "father" of this stuff - FamilyTreeDNA wins hands down in > my book. It's a bit more expensive but, in the quality and the utility of > the product, they stand head and shoulders above other genetic test > facilities. In my comparisons and explorations with people who have used > other facilities, (just ME now) their process and product seems > "rinky-dink." I'm not saying it isn't legitimate, I'm just saying there are > sometimes "issues" because each company is trying to establish something > that is unique about their testing which might, at some point, give them an > advantage in garnering more of the market share. Good for them - maybe not > so good for the consumer. > > > > PLUS - if you go on FTDNA's website and join a surname project BEFORE you > buy the test, you get an appreciable discount on the prices by purchasing > your test from the project website. AND - don't forget - around the > holidays, etc, they do run special sale prices on testing. > > > > I started out with a 37 marker yDNA test with FamilyTree, that was about > three years ago this last month. The thing about a 37 marker test is that if > there is a match and the person matching you has done a 67 marker test, you > IMMEDIATELY start to wonder just how close the match would be if YOU had the > 67 marker test too! > > > > That's what happened to me exactly. I had a genetic distance of 2 with my > match and I couldn't rest until I got the upgrade to 67 markers. What I > learned from that upgrade was that, out of the additional 30 markers, we > only had 1 more marker that had mutated - at 67 markers we had a genetic > distance of 3......that's important when you start trying to connect common > ancestors generationally. > > > > Please listen to everyone who gives you input on who does the best job. I'm > sure you can see that I am well won over by FTDNA, but don't let that be > your sole guiding light - some folks like Fords, some Chevrolets, but some > folks like Buicks and Cadillacs. So listen to it all, weigh what you hear, > and make your best selection. It's a lot of money for most of us and you > don't want to regret your choice after that kind of outlay. > > > > Good luck! > > Donnie > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Hanlon" <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> > To: "Lincoln ct TN List" <tnlincol-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:00 PM > Subject: [TNLINCOL] DNA question > > > > > > I would like to check my Swaner DNA. I have located a direct line of > > males(father to son) from my generation directly back to our first known > > Swaner born 1790's. > > > > > > > > I have also found a Swanner line supposedly linked with ours that is also > > a direct male line back to its first known ancestor born 1850 LCT. > > > > > > > > Also have found the direct Y line for my Beavers family dating back to > > 1840 AL. > > > > > > > > All these would be a straight back male link or Y chromosome strain (no > > females break the line). > > > > > > > > My question is, since there are so many companies offering this research, > > who is the best and most affordably priced? AND who is most reliable and > > easy to read? I am also interested in checking for the Native American > > strain in both Beavers and Swaner lines. > > > > > > > > Your opinion matters very much to me. Thank you. Donna Hanlon > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/

I believe I know the Swaner line you are referring to. I correspond often to one in that line. I will check the site you mention and check that out too. Thank you very much. > To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:57:18 -0400 > From: bob_mcalister@compuserve.com > Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question > > > I have joined the McAlister Project on Family Tree DNA website. I checked their website and there is a Swaner project.(https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Swaner?) You may have to log onto: http://www.familytreedna.com and navigate to the correct page. If you work through the "administrator" from the project, you can get a break on the price. > > > > Bob Mc > > > > In God We Trust > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna Hanlon <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> > To: Lincoln ct TN List <tnlincol-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Oct 3, 2009 7:00 pm > Subject: [TNLINCOL] DNA question > > > > > I would like to check my Swaner DNA. I have located a direct line of > males(father to son) from my generation directly back to our first known Swaner > born 1790's. > > > > I have also found a Swanner line supposedly linked with ours that is also a > direct male line back to its first known ancestor born 1850 LCT. > > > > Also have found the direct Y line for my Beavers family dating back to 1840 AL. > > > > All these would be a straight back male link or Y chromosome strain (no females > break the line). > > > > My question is, since there are so many companies offering this research, who is > the best and most affordably priced? AND who is most reliable and easy to read? > I am also interested in checking for the Native American strain in both Beavers > and Swaner lines. > > > > Your opinion matters very much to me. Thank you. Donna Hanlon > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/ > 177141665/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/

I'd love to be able to check out my mom's ancestry, but it is JOHNSON and that ranks somewhere around 6 in most common, I understand. I'd better stick with the Y lines I can prove in a direct line for now. Thanks to all of you for your input. I was so lost as to where to place my faith in the testing. So many offer to do this, but the proof is in the pudding, I guess. Of the responses I have gotten, it seems FTDNA wins an overwhelming response. > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:38:17 -0700 > From: hiplainsdrifter4229@yahoo.com > To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Donna Hanlon <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Donna Hanlon <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> > Subject: [TNLINCOL] DNA question > To: "Lincoln ct TN List" <tnlincol-l@rootsweb.com> > Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 6:00 PM > > > > I would like to check my Swaner DNA. I have located a direct line of males(father to son) from my generation directly back to our first known Swaner born 1790's. > > > > I have also found a Swanner line supposedly linked with ours that is also a direct male line back to its first known ancestor born 1850 LCT. > > > > Also have found the direct Y line for my Beavers family dating back to 1840 AL. > > > > All these would be a straight back male link or Y chromosome strain (no females break the line). > > > > My question is, since there are so many companies offering this research, who is the best and most affordably priced? AND who is most reliable and easy to read? I am also interested in checking for the Native American strain in both Beavers and Swaner lines. > > > > Your opinion matters very much to me. Thank you. Donna Hanlon > > I agree with the other reader about FamilyTreeDNA. They are probably the oldest and most used program of this type. You might do well to check out their website. I am going to use them in the next few months myself to do a YDNA37 mtDNAplus level check with male and female lines. I think it is $299 to do it. A12 chromosomal test isn't enough really to help you, and statistically I there very little more that you can find with a 67 chromosome test that you can with a 37. The 67 costs $399.There are 5,600 family surname projects listed with FamilyTreeDNA. > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/

You are exactly right. I only have so much money to spend on this and want to get the most bang for my buck. Especailly when there are 3 lines I'd like to test. The Beavers line needs to be done pretty soon as the last male of that line is no longer a young man and has only daughters. Sounds like this group is pretty sold on FTDNA from experience. I have found for many years that the LCT group is always up on the latest in everything and I can rely on their judgement and guidance. Thank you, donnie, for your input. Donna > From: scotsman@cafes.net > To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 21:56:20 -0500 > Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] DNA question > > Donna, > > > > My money (literally) is on FamilyTreeDNA..... > > > > In three years of yDNA comparison, even with Oxford University - the home of > Bryan Sykes, the "father" of this stuff - FamilyTreeDNA wins hands down in > my book. It's a bit more expensive but, in the quality and the utility of > the product, they stand head and shoulders above other genetic test > facilities. In my comparisons and explorations with people who have used > other facilities, (just ME now) their process and product seems > "rinky-dink." I'm not saying it isn't legitimate, I'm just saying there are > sometimes "issues" because each company is trying to establish something > that is unique about their testing which might, at some point, give them an > advantage in garnering more of the market share. Good for them - maybe not > so good for the consumer. > > > > PLUS - if you go on FTDNA's website and join a surname project BEFORE you > buy the test, you get an appreciable discount on the prices by purchasing > your test from the project website. AND - don't forget - around the > holidays, etc, they do run special sale prices on testing. > > > > I started out with a 37 marker yDNA test with FamilyTree, that was about > three years ago this last month. The thing about a 37 marker test is that if > there is a match and the person matching you has done a 67 marker test, you > IMMEDIATELY start to wonder just how close the match would be if YOU had the > 67 marker test too! > > > > That's what happened to me exactly. I had a genetic distance of 2 with my > match and I couldn't rest until I got the upgrade to 67 markers. What I > learned from that upgrade was that, out of the additional 30 markers, we > only had 1 more marker that had mutated - at 67 markers we had a genetic > distance of 3......that's important when you start trying to connect common > ancestors generationally. > > > > Please listen to everyone who gives you input on who does the best job. I'm > sure you can see that I am well won over by FTDNA, but don't let that be > your sole guiding light - some folks like Fords, some Chevrolets, but some > folks like Buicks and Cadillacs. So listen to it all, weigh what you hear, > and make your best selection. It's a lot of money for most of us and you > don't want to regret your choice after that kind of outlay. > > > > Good luck! > > Donnie > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Hanlon" <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> > To: "Lincoln ct TN List" <tnlincol-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:00 PM > Subject: [TNLINCOL] DNA question > > > > > > I would like to check my Swaner DNA. I have located a direct line of > > males(father to son) from my generation directly back to our first known > > Swaner born 1790's. > > > > > > > > I have also found a Swanner line supposedly linked with ours that is also > > a direct male line back to its first known ancestor born 1850 LCT. > > > > > > > > Also have found the direct Y line for my Beavers family dating back to > > 1840 AL. > > > > > > > > All these would be a straight back male link or Y chromosome strain (no > > females break the line). > > > > > > > > My question is, since there are so many companies offering this research, > > who is the best and most affordably priced? AND who is most reliable and > > easy to read? I am also interested in checking for the Native American > > strain in both Beavers and Swaner lines. > > > > > > > > Your opinion matters very much to me. Thank you. Donna Hanlon > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/