Is there a surname list posted somewhere for the Limestone Co. Alabama book before I spend the money? Susan

> > This file was found in the loose Woodruff File papers at Fauquier County > Court House. 1817-003 > > Revolutionary Pensioner > John White > Fauquier County, State and District of Virginia > On this 27th day of February, 1827, personally appeared in open Court of > Record made so by the Laws of this Commonwealth, invested with Common Law > and Chancery Jurisdiction unlimited in amount, keeping a record of its > proceedings and having the powers of fine and imprisonment, John White, > resident in said County, aged seventy four years, who being first duly > sworn according to Law, doth on his oath make the following declaration in > order to obtain the provision made by the Acts of Congress, of the 18th of > March, 1818, and the 1st of May, 1820; > > That he, the said John White, enlisted for the term of five years or > during the war, in the month of May 1775 in Williamsburg in the State of > Virginia, in the Company commanded by Capt. George Nicholas, in the > Regiment commanded by Col. Henry in the line of the State of Virginia, > which was afterwards taken by the United States into the Continental > establishment in 1775 or 1776, that he was at the Battle of the Great > Bridge in 1775. That in the Spring of 1776, he was transferred to the > Second Regiment of North Carolina in Major White's Company commanded by > Col. Howe. That he continued to serve in the said Corps until sometime in > the year 1778 when he was transferred into the First Regiment of South > Carolina in Capt. Edwards Company, commanded by Col's. Cotesworth Pinckney > and Thomas Pinckney under the Command of General Lincoln, where he served > until the 12th day of Mary, 1780 when he was taken prisoner in Charleston, > South Carolina and was exchanged in the Autumn of 1781 in the State of > South Carolina. > > That he hereby relinquishes every claim whatsoever to a pension except the > present; that his name is not on the roll of any state within his > knowledge, and that the following are the reasons for not making an > earlier application for a pension; That shortly after the enactment of the > Law of 1818, he called upon a gentleman to put him in a train by which he > could partake himself to its provisions which he readily undertook but > neglecting afterwards to do it. He was compelled to resort to another who > after having promised to perform the business , delayed it for sometime > and then died. That he was also informed that the law of 1820, had so > modified that by 1818, it was requiring stricter proof that he despaired > of obtaining his application which through the 'remembrance?' of those in > whom he confided, has bever been made until the present time. > > That his poverty and infirmity rendered him incapable of attending to his > business; That he has no other evidence of the time of his enlistment and > his services preformed during the war. HIS > > > John + White > > MARK > > And in pursuance of the Act of the 1st of May, 1820, I do solemnly swear, > that I was a resident Citizen of the United States on the 18th day of > March, 1818, and that I have not since that time, by gift, sale, or in any > manner, disposed of my property, or any part thereof, with the intent > thereby to diminish it as to bring myself within the provisions of an Act > of Congress, entitled " An Act to provide for certain persons engaged in > the land and naval services of the United States in the Revolutionary > War", passed on the 18th day of March, 1818; and that I have not, nor has > any person in trust for me, any property or securities, contracts or debts > due to me; nor have I any income, nor have I had any income for the last > 16 years, other than what is in the schedule hereto annexed, and by me > subscribed; > One hand saw, two drawing knives, six ___? hoops, one iron pot, 2 tin > cups. > I was formerly a cooper but am now incapable to pursue that occupation on > account of my infirmity and that no member of my family is living with me. > > > HIS > > John + White > > Mark > > Sworn to, and declared in open Court on the 27th day of February, 1827. > > Jon: A. WE. Smith, Clerk > > Of Fauquier County Court > > Fauquier County > Appeared in open Court this 27th day of February, 1827, Charles B. Smith, > made oath that he has been acquainted with John White, the above named > Petitioner for a number of years and believe him to be a man of truth, > honesty, and probity, and that he has had this reputation with all who > knew him. > That sometime before the death of Capt. Gideon Johnston, he had a > conversation with the deck's, who declared that he knew the petitioner and > was with him at the Battle of the Great Bridge. Sworn to in open Court. > > Jon A.WE. Smith Calk > > Fauquier County Court > > Fauquier County "Scilicet?" > This 27th day of February, 1827, Joseph Smith appeared in open Court and > made oath that he has been acquainted with John White, the above named > petitioner for a pension, a number of years and believes him to be a > truthful man and that he has always borne that reputation with all who > knew him. > > Sworn to in Open Court > > Jon. A.WE. Smith > > Fauquier County Court Clerk > > Fauquier County "Scilicet?" > > This 27th day of February, 1827 > Telephony? Nickerson appeared in open Court and made the oath that he has > been acquainted with John White, the above named petitioner, for a number > of years and believe him to be a truthful man and that such has been his > general reputation. > > Sworn to in Open Court > > Jno. W.W. Smith, Clerk > > Fauquier County Court > > Virginia > Fauquier County, to wit; > I, John A.W. Smith, Clerk of the County Court of the County aforesaid, do > hereby certify, that it appears to the satisfaction of the Court, that the > said John White did serve in the Revolutionary War as stated in the > preceding declaration, against the Common enemy, for the term of nine > months, under one engagement, on the Continental establishment. I also > certify that he foregoing oath and the schedule thereto annexed, are truly > copies from the records of said Court; and I further certify, that it is > the opinion of the said Court, that the total amount in value of the > property exhibited in the aforesaid schedule is three dollars. > > In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and [officed?] my Seal > of the said Court, on this 27th day of February, 1827 and in the 51st year > of the Commonwealth. > > Jno A.W.Smith, Clk > SEAL Fauquier County Court > > *** > I believe the above John White to be the eldest son of William White born > ca 1730, died before 1804 Haymarket, Prince William County, VA, the part > that became Fauquier County VA in 1759. Other children were; > 1. Elizabeth b ca 1754 Fauquier Co md Feb 28, 1786 James Bailey in Fauq. > Co > 2. Jemima/Mima and md Jan. 10, 1791 George Greene Waddell, Fauq. Co and md > 2nd 1847 Stephen Wade in KY. > 3. John b 1753, Rev War soldier mentioned in his brother, William White's > RW application filed in 1832 from Lincoln Co TN. John married Ann Bailey, > dau of deceased James Bailey and wife Ann ___. When James Bailey died, > William White married his widow Ann Bailey. They had no children together > but both had children from their first marriage. Ann and James Bailey's > dau. Ann was step sister of John White's as her mother was married to his > father. { I would love to know the maiden name of Ann Bailey ,widow of her > 1st marriage to James Bailey and md 2nd William White Sr}. > 4. William White Jr b Jan 10, 1755 Fauq. Co VA, Rev War soldier, died May > 6, 1833 Lincoln Co TN. He had an unknown to me first wife and children > born in VA. He stated that after the RW, he relocated to Rowan Co NC and > lived there for 30 years before moving to Lincoln Co TN just before the > 1820 census. He had md 2nd in NC abt 1812 to Elizabeth ___ b 1775 NC. [I > would love to know her maiden name too]. The first child by William White > Jr and Elizabeth was born when William was aged 58 and all of their > children were still considered minors when he died in 1833.My direct line. > I have joined D.A.R. on this William. At least one of his children [Carr > Bailey White] who died in Giles Co TN, had on his obit that he were born > at Stokes Co NC. I believe Stokes was a part of old Rowan Co so William > probably never relocated from Rowan to Stokes Co NC? > 5. Nancy Ann b 1764 Fauq. md Oct 31, 1786 Fauq. Co md William Waddell Sr. > 6. Hannah b ca 1765 Fauq. md Dec 13, 1787 Fauq Co to Thomas Russell James. > 7, Sarah born ca 1768 Fauq. md Aug 25, 1789 Fauq Co to George Roach. They > lived in Prince William Co VA at least from 1804 to 1824. George was one > an Adm of his father in law estate. Sarah Roach and her brother above, > William White, were the only children not married and living in Mason Co > KY at least at 1804. They all sent authorizations to allow George Roach to > sell their shares of their father's estate to William Hunton, a next door > neighbor to deceased William White. { I wonder if William White Sr > received bounty land in Mason Co KY allowing his children to move there. > He is listed in 1761 Roster of Capt William Edmonds Colonial Soldiers with > Carr Bailey Sr among many others. > 8. Carr born ca 1777 Fauq. Co. md Feb 19, 1795 Fauq Co to Nancy Donaldson, > dau. of John Donaldson. William White Sr had to sign with his X to allow > Carr to marry. Carr was underage. > > If anyone has any connection-- or information- about the above families, I > would be grateful to hear from them. I am trying to find the first family > of William White Jr especially. Too many early William White's. We need to > work together. None of us will recognize the children born after these two > William White's children relocated from any area they lived in for a while > so it will take some effort to be sure these are not your William White's. > Thank you for checking all names carefully. > I have a copy from National Archives of the RW pension > application of William White Jr. He was named as an ancestor to D.A.R. > in November 1973 by Martha Jane Shultz Dietrich of College Park, Maryland- > National Number 383072. She claimed descent through William White Sr's > daughter, Hannah White, who married Thomas Russell James in Fauquier Co > VA. She stated William White Sr's first wife and the mother of all of his > children was named, Mary ___. > > Ginny Keefer nee White > > > ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

The 1840 census recently appeared in a message and available. I am wondering if anyone is familiar with Lucinda and Mary Greer appearing on page 30 text and James Jewell shown on page 89. These names appear only as text . Any information appreciated. Betty

Researchers of Limestone Co AL - know that the Limestone Co AL Heritage Book has been published and for sale NOW. Also; Giles Co TN Heritage Book is ' under construction' with stories and photos still being accepted -as well as orders for a pre paid book to be sure you get a copy when the Giles Co book is on the market. Get behind these societies that are working so hard to preserve our family histories. Submit your family history and book order as soon as possible. Contact the E Mail at the bottom of this page. Your grandchildren will take great pride in their ancestors by reading of them. Ginny Keefer You can still order the Limestone County, AL Book. Send $69.75 to PO Box 658, Athens, AL 35612-0658. All of the Heritage Books published by Walsworth have the same rules. One of them is that only one free article & photo/photo's per household. If the ancestors were there before (in GCT) by 1850 you get the 1000 words and 2 small photo's of 1 double deep or double wide. After 1850 you get 500 words and one photo free. Extra words are 10 cents each and extra photo's are $12.50. You can write as many articles as you want to as long as use different submitters. I have used sisters, brothers, cousins, nieces, nephew, & friends as the submitters for my articles. Please, submit more articles about your people in Giles County TN - if at all possible. Can you help us spread the word about the GCT Book? Thanks. Imogean McDonald The Giles County TN Heritage Book Committee meets the first Tuesday of each month at 6:30 p.m. at the Comfort Inn in Pulaski. Everyone welcome. Ask me about the Giles County TN Heritage Book Click here: http://www.gilescotn.com/brochure.html

Thanks Ginny, I know James Carter who posted this and some of the information posted I provided to him. He was going to get a professional genealogist to try and research John F. Carter. I appreciate your input. Jack in Tucson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Virginia L. (Ginny) Keefer in LasVegas" <ginnykeefer@cox.net> To: <TNLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [LCT] John Carter > James W. Carter posted on Ancestry.com Jan 21, 2005 jwcarter@tea.net > > This is NOT my line and I have not proven any of it. Use as a finding > agent only. Ginny K > > Robert F. [Franklin?] Carter born in England, died in Halifax Co NC, > spouse not known. Children; > 1. John F. [Franklin] Carter born 1786 NC > 2. Thomas James b 1785 NC, > > Thomas James Carter born 1785 NC. > He reportedly was born in NC in 1784. Married and lived in SC for a few > years and then relocated first to AL then to MS. > > John F. [Franklin] Carter born 1786 NC, died 1850 Tippah Co MS. [son of > Robert F. [Franklin?] Carter born in England.*** > John married Catherine ___. Children; > 1. James Shelton b 14 Jan 1837 Lincoln Co TN ** > 2. Jonathan [Jr?] b 1826 , died 1826 LCT, died 1864 in Civil War > 3. Montgomery b 1822 LCT > 4. Henry md L. Wilson. He died in Salisbury, TN > 5. Calvin b 1829 LCT, md Nancy Williams. Calvin served in Civil War.-see > below > 6. William died in Ark > 7. Martha b 1834 LCT > 8. Ann b 1825 LCT > 9. Mary Ann b 1839 LCT > *** > 1840 Lincoln Co TN census > Carters > 21 17 Crofford/Crawford? Carter > 23 29 Eli Carter > 21 17 George Carter > 80 9 John Carter > 25 12 Matthew Carter > ** > > > Calvin Carter b 1829 LCT, > Private, Company C, MS Calvary. Enlisted Aug 1, 1862 by Col. Faulkner near > Orizaba, MS. per Muster Rolls. > The 7th Regmt MS Calvary was organized Aug 1, 1862 as the 1st Regmt, MS > Partisan Rangers and disbanded temporarily Nov 15, 1862, reorganized again > Mar 1, 18--. > Aug 18, 1863 captured near Hernando, MS along with 5 others from his unit > Apr 22, 1863 in the Custody of the Provost Marshall, Memphis TN > Apr 29, 1863 transferred to St Louis then to Alton Military Prison, Alton, > IL. > June 12, 1863. Pvt Calvin Carter released in prisoner exchange at Camp > Lee, near Richmond VA then returned to his unit. > Etc etc > Pvt Calvin Carter was released from Custody in Selma AL at the end of the > war. He walked barefooted, dressed in rags, back to Tippah Co MS. He is > buried alongside his wife Nancy , next to his younger brother, James S. in > New York Cem in Tippah Co MS. > He married Nancy Williams. > > James Shelton Carter *** b 14 Jan 1837 Lincoln Co TN, died 14 June 1903 > Ripley, Tippah Co MS, Buried in New York Cem. there. > James moved from Lincoln Co TN to Corinth , Tishomingo Co MS where his > wife, Mahala Geno , was born. After the Civil War, he moved to Ripley, > Tippah Co MS. He had 14 brothers. His father was Jonathan Carter. > Jonathan's father was Robert S. Carter who came from England and had 11 > brothers.[Note the discreetly in the father's name. This explains why son > Jonathan was a Jr above. You need to check James parent's name to be sure > but I bet he was Jonathan?? It appears to be a typo above and one > generation was skipped leaving out Jonathan above? Ginny] > > James was a private in Company A, 16th MS Regmt of Volunteers. > He enlisted May 26, 1861 by Col. Posey in Corinth, MS per Muster Rolls. > The 16th Regmt was organized in June 1861 of companies which had > previously been in the State Service and were mustered into the > Confederate service for 12 months abt 1862. > > Jan 1862. Regimental Return, James S. Carter, sick in hospital in Corinth > Hospital sine 26 June, 1861. Paid $60.10, however $4.62 withheld due to > clothing overdrawn. Given $55.48 which he signed for. > > Sept 28, 1862, Morning Report, 1st Division, General Hospital, Camp > Winder, Richmond, VA. James S. Carter furloughed 30 days. > > May-Oct 1863, James S. Carter present for duty. > May 3, 1863 Captured at Fredericksburg, VA > May 4, 1863 James S. Carter on roll of Prisoners of War, Office of the > Provost Marshall General of the Potomac > May 13, 1863 Old Capital Prison, Washington, DC, paroled in a prison > exchange along with 89 Confederate prisoners by Capt. Jno E. Mulford, 3rd > Inf. N.Y. V. > Jan-Aug 1864 James S. Carter present for duty > Sept 12, 1864 James S. Carter wounded > Sept 17, 1864. James S. Carter on register of patients, Stuart Hospital, > Richmond VA, disease, Scarlet Fever > Sept 27, 1864 James S. Carter Stuart Hospital furloughed for 30 days > Sept 28, 1864 Stuart Hospital, James S. Carter, receipt for clothing > Sept 28, 1864 James S. Carter, paid $63.13 which he signed for. > > James S. Carter married 1st Mary H. Waleter Kent [ her surname also found > spelled Waters] She married James S. Carter 12 Sept 1861 Tippah Co MS. > Children; > 1. Robert Anderson b 18 Mar 1872 Ripley, Tippah Co MS, d 27 Sept 1949 > Booneville, Wise Co TX, md Martha Caroline Newson 17 Dec 1905 Wise Co TX. > 2. Davis b 1864, d 1920 md Frankie Webb Rowland > 3. James Ed. b 1869=8, d 1954, md Mary Etta [Mollie] Garner b 1870 > 4. Martha Ann b 1870, md Tom Cox > 5. Warren Calvin b 1873, d 1966, md Lillie Garrison > 6. Elijah Morris b 1876, d 1932, md Virginia Fryer 6 Jan 1880 > 7. Ida Jane b 1879, d 1910, md Charlie Williamson > 8. Sarah Liza b 1862, md Tom Hunter > > James S. Carter md 2nd > Savannah Mahala Geno born Tisomngo Co MD, she died 1861 in Tishomingo, > MS.[prob misspelled Co?] > Children; > 1. John F. b 1857, md Mollie McCoy Rowland > 2. William Anderson b 1858 md Virginia Luna > 3. Catherine [Katy] b 1860, md Frank Dunham > > James S. Carter md 3rd > Martha A. [Landers] Cox b 1855, d 14 April,1932 Tippah Co MS. She was a > Black Irish. Married 13 May 1860 Tippah Co MS. Children; > 1. George b 1882 Tippah Co MS, d 1947, md Frances Rowland > 2. Dan b 1886, d 1956, md Willie Mae Womack > 3. Effie b 1887, d 1954, md Wilson Smith > 4. Newton b 1889, md Eula Ham > 5. Albert b 1891, died 6 May, 1931 buried Flatrock Cem. Ripley, MS. md > Nora Maddox. He served in WWI > 6. Henry b 1886,d 1956, md Etta Camburn. > > > ==== TNLINCOL Mailing List ==== > Please capitalize SURNAMES in your posts. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Thanks, Bill for the info !! Do you have an email addres for her? I have tried t locate one, without any sucess. The only thing I have found is a library in Nashville, that requires a $10.00 fee, per item- and, they keep that for the search, if they dont find it. Also, one reqest, per envelope. This is a lttle steep, I think. Are you familiar with the T. Elmer Cox library in Greene co., Tn? Don Miller is just wonderful, and so reasonable. I have used him alot, and, even gotten some records from Giles co., from him. This is the type of libray I am hoping to find for Lincoln co.. Thanks again. Trish

James W. Carter posted on Ancestry.com Jan 21, 2005 jwcarter@tea.net This is NOT my line and I have not proven any of it. Use as a finding agent only. Ginny K Robert F. [Franklin?] Carter born in England, died in Halifax Co NC, spouse not known. Children; 1. John F. [Franklin] Carter born 1786 NC 2. Thomas James b 1785 NC, Thomas James Carter born 1785 NC. He reportedly was born in NC in 1784. Married and lived in SC for a few years and then relocated first to AL then to MS. John F. [Franklin] Carter born 1786 NC, died 1850 Tippah Co MS. [son of Robert F. [Franklin?] Carter born in England.*** John married Catherine ___. Children; 1. James Shelton b 14 Jan 1837 Lincoln Co TN ** 2. Jonathan [Jr?] b 1826 , died 1826 LCT, died 1864 in Civil War 3. Montgomery b 1822 LCT 4. Henry md L. Wilson. He died in Salisbury, TN 5. Calvin b 1829 LCT, md Nancy Williams. Calvin served in Civil War.-see below 6. William died in Ark 7. Martha b 1834 LCT 8. Ann b 1825 LCT 9. Mary Ann b 1839 LCT *** 1840 Lincoln Co TN census Carters 21 17 Crofford/Crawford? Carter 23 29 Eli Carter 21 17 George Carter 80 9 John Carter 25 12 Matthew Carter ** Calvin Carter b 1829 LCT, Private, Company C, MS Calvary. Enlisted Aug 1, 1862 by Col. Faulkner near Orizaba, MS. per Muster Rolls. The 7th Regmt MS Calvary was organized Aug 1, 1862 as the 1st Regmt, MS Partisan Rangers and disbanded temporarily Nov 15, 1862, reorganized again Mar 1, 18--. Aug 18, 1863 captured near Hernando, MS along with 5 others from his unit Apr 22, 1863 in the Custody of the Provost Marshall, Memphis TN Apr 29, 1863 transferred to St Louis then to Alton Military Prison, Alton, IL. June 12, 1863. Pvt Calvin Carter released in prisoner exchange at Camp Lee, near Richmond VA then returned to his unit. Etc etc Pvt Calvin Carter was released from Custody in Selma AL at the end of the war. He walked barefooted, dressed in rags, back to Tippah Co MS. He is buried alongside his wife Nancy , next to his younger brother, James S. in New York Cem in Tippah Co MS. He married Nancy Williams. James Shelton Carter *** b 14 Jan 1837 Lincoln Co TN, died 14 June 1903 Ripley, Tippah Co MS, Buried in New York Cem. there. James moved from Lincoln Co TN to Corinth , Tishomingo Co MS where his wife, Mahala Geno , was born. After the Civil War, he moved to Ripley, Tippah Co MS. He had 14 brothers. His father was Jonathan Carter. Jonathan's father was Robert S. Carter who came from England and had 11 brothers.[Note the discreetly in the father's name. This explains why son Jonathan was a Jr above. You need to check James parent's name to be sure but I bet he was Jonathan?? It appears to be a typo above and one generation was skipped leaving out Jonathan above? Ginny] James was a private in Company A, 16th MS Regmt of Volunteers. He enlisted May 26, 1861 by Col. Posey in Corinth, MS per Muster Rolls. The 16th Regmt was organized in June 1861 of companies which had previously been in the State Service and were mustered into the Confederate service for 12 months abt 1862. Jan 1862. Regimental Return, James S. Carter, sick in hospital in Corinth Hospital sine 26 June, 1861. Paid $60.10, however $4.62 withheld due to clothing overdrawn. Given $55.48 which he signed for. Sept 28, 1862, Morning Report, 1st Division, General Hospital, Camp Winder, Richmond, VA. James S. Carter furloughed 30 days. May-Oct 1863, James S. Carter present for duty. May 3, 1863 Captured at Fredericksburg, VA May 4, 1863 James S. Carter on roll of Prisoners of War, Office of the Provost Marshall General of the Potomac May 13, 1863 Old Capital Prison, Washington, DC, paroled in a prison exchange along with 89 Confederate prisoners by Capt. Jno E. Mulford, 3rd Inf. N.Y. V. Jan-Aug 1864 James S. Carter present for duty Sept 12, 1864 James S. Carter wounded Sept 17, 1864. James S. Carter on register of patients, Stuart Hospital, Richmond VA, disease, Scarlet Fever Sept 27, 1864 James S. Carter Stuart Hospital furloughed for 30 days Sept 28, 1864 Stuart Hospital, James S. Carter, receipt for clothing Sept 28, 1864 James S. Carter, paid $63.13 which he signed for. James S. Carter married 1st Mary H. Waleter Kent [ her surname also found spelled Waters] She married James S. Carter 12 Sept 1861 Tippah Co MS. Children; 1. Robert Anderson b 18 Mar 1872 Ripley, Tippah Co MS, d 27 Sept 1949 Booneville, Wise Co TX, md Martha Caroline Newson 17 Dec 1905 Wise Co TX. 2. Davis b 1864, d 1920 md Frankie Webb Rowland 3. James Ed. b 1869=8, d 1954, md Mary Etta [Mollie] Garner b 1870 4. Martha Ann b 1870, md Tom Cox 5. Warren Calvin b 1873, d 1966, md Lillie Garrison 6. Elijah Morris b 1876, d 1932, md Virginia Fryer 6 Jan 1880 7. Ida Jane b 1879, d 1910, md Charlie Williamson 8. Sarah Liza b 1862, md Tom Hunter James S. Carter md 2nd Savannah Mahala Geno born Tisomngo Co MD, she died 1861 in Tishomingo, MS.[prob misspelled Co?] Children; 1. John F. b 1857, md Mollie McCoy Rowland 2. William Anderson b 1858 md Virginia Luna 3. Catherine [Katy] b 1860, md Frank Dunham James S. Carter md 3rd Martha A. [Landers] Cox b 1855, d 14 April,1932 Tippah Co MS. She was a Black Irish. Married 13 May 1860 Tippah Co MS. Children; 1. George b 1882 Tippah Co MS, d 1947, md Frances Rowland 2. Dan b 1886, d 1956, md Willie Mae Womack 3. Effie b 1887, d 1954, md Wilson Smith 4. Newton b 1889, md Eula Ham 5. Albert b 1891, died 6 May, 1931 buried Flatrock Cem. Ripley, MS. md Nora Maddox. He served in WWI 6. Henry b 1886,d 1956, md Etta Camburn.

Dick is having many of the problems most of us are - records not taken care of and not inventoried and protected. Also, does anyone know why so many of our ancestors left KY about 1810? And why did so many of them end up in LCT? Nita In a message dated 2/4/2005 11:02:30 A.M. Central Standard Time, rmstewart@myexcel.com writes: For all, let's move this to the STEWART list? For Teresa, Lauren, and Gerald, and......., CALLING ALL STEWARTS!!! (for NW-ALABAMA: Joan, just saw your call for queries. here's one if there ever was one! Also includes the old Monroe County 1816; Bibb County 1818 Benjamin Stewart, and Avery family; and Perry County - Solomon Stewart , and Larkin Stewart in Dale County). (for ALFAYETTE: Monya, any thoughts on the Harkins/Johanna Stewart connection from TN to AL? Has anyone ever attempted to confirm / deny the existance of a Charle Stewart / Elizabeth CLEMENTS burial plot north of Fayette? ) (Mark, your comments invited, probably best to move it to the STEWART list. Are there ANY leads left?) (Maggie, if you and Billie are still active, or anyone in the Tuscaloosa Morning Group for that matter, what's your thoughts on this line, especially the Reuben CLEMENTS / Elizabeth STEWART/STUART connection to the Charles Stewart line) (For Lincoln County TN (LCT: This clan of Stewarts were generally operating as land / plantation owners in what I call the "Flint River Basin" south of Fayetteville and on or just north of the TN / AL state line, during the 1810-1820 period. Includes Solomon, Reuben, Charles, Benjamin, William Stewart; as well as Walter Harkins (married Johanna Stewart, the one known sister in the clan). There is tenuous evidence (depends on how one reads the court / minute dockets) that there may be TWO Charles Stewarts, or TWO Reuben Stewarts active, or only ONE of each.) As Gerald Daniel noted in the previous email (not to all), it's a very cold trail. Supposedly Charles (m. Hannah Kirk) is buried in a rooted up cemetary out in NC behind an airfield somewhere, with no stone, etc. DNA would be very helpful here potentially, wouldn't it? But, ..... To further complicate it, my connection to Charles/Hannah, via Solomon, is his supposed dad, Charles (mar Elizabeth Clements). Both are supposedly buried in a certain cemetary between Winfield and Fayette Alabama. Of course, there's no stones, folks have been out there, found nothing, etc. DNA would be potentially helpful here, too, huh? But, ..... Our "documented" connection, for me, and the Charles/Elizabeth daughter Johanna Stewart (mar Harkins), and other brothers (Larkin, Charles III, Reuben, William, Benjamin, and any others we don't know about) is via a mormon lady Francis Mae Baker, who lived in SLC, and was apparently paid by the George Stewart Society (her line was via Charles/Elizabeths brother George Stewart, who while in Tuscaloosa decided to go othe mormon route) to come out and nail all of this down. This was in the 1950s!!!!! In the meantime, I've got family tradition that located my Solomon in the Gray (plantation)/Stewart (plantation) Cemetary ni Leake County. I've been there. All is gone, save about a dozen sunken slots. DNA would be really neat here, huh? But....... There are at least two full boxes of documentation (read: research notes) from Francis Mae Baker. I know, I have seen and touched them. Unfortunately I didn't have time to 'research' them, but then again, I didn't need to. Her notes and connections were based on face-to-face conversations with folks (including Harkins family in Fayette, AL) and included personal interviews with folks in North Carolina, (possibly TN, I don't recall, and possibly VA). She was hosted in NC by some folks in the Stewart lineage. We currently, in our line so to speak, have a person in NC, via the mom I believe (and therefore can't test) and is as close as it gets to nailing it down. Folks, he IS an archivist in the NC state archives, and he has come up empty as well. He and I have talked over the last few months and I indicated a desire to go to VA and get down and dirty and see what's there, as the trail is not only cold, but dying a slow death. He indicated that one could do almost the same thing from one's chair, via the microfilm. That's another story another day. As you know, the microfilm must be read someplace, and for me that's usually the local Mormon Family History Center (10 miles across town). ( I just came back from there last night - researching my wife's family in France. For me, though, it's just not the same. I think one has to blow the dust off of stuff and root through the bones. As a simple example, my wife and I did a round-robin back in 1993 through Tuscaloosa, Perry, Marengo, Fayette Counties of Alabama, Kemper and Leake Counties of Mississippi, and Lincoln County of Tennessee. In the Tuscaloosa courthouse/county clerks place, - I was, after getting a little pushy, able to go to the top floor which has never been protected, sorted, filed, etc. , and found my Solomon 12 times in four different court books dateing around 1823-1828. - My wife, quite by accident, found a land certificate on Solomon in a cabinet downstairs (while I was unstairs), and it also had Benjamin Stewart on it as well. Solomon had bought more land, just north of Tuscaloosa (Northport area), and had sold/transferred it to Benjamin. Nice...., very nice, better than DNA, but...... still no Charles / Elizabeth...... - While in Leake Co, MS, against my better judgement, we stopped in to the Carthage Library (don't blink your eyes when driving by - you'll miss it); and while there, one little teeny tiny book had some Leake Co marriages, and lo, there was my missing item: the marriage of one of Solomon's daughters Jerusha with the next door plantation guy, William Gray. Better than DNA, that made me really feel better about the notion of the existance of a Gray/Stewart Cemetary. - A brief meeting with the Carthage historical societe lady showed that my aunt indeed had received EXACT locational info (I mean degrees and coordinates, etc.) from a lady in Carthage that had long since passed away.). Been there (to the gravesite)... done that..... Wanted urgently to borrow a shovel and start looking for potential DNA samples. (Is that morbin or what?) Since the site is a one-acre residential plot, complete with house, that puts all options back on the shelf. Still no Charles,Elizabeth........ The trail is mighty cold. While I'm more than ever, thanks to the DNA test, convinced that this is evolving to be a relatively true story (The Solomon, Larkin, Reuben, Charles III, William, Johanna, Benjamin portion), I am, more than ever, convinced that a hunting party is about the only way we will ever establish the Solomon - Charles connection and the Charles - Charles connection, is a down and dirty hunting party. Unfortunately, it runs a slimy trail, to include MS, AL, TN, probably GA, probably SC, and then "TN - western NC" (late 1790's or early 1800s) according to my aunt and oral/family tradition, and then NC Wake/Cumberland/Hartnett (and throw in Teresa's points about Surry County, and my notion of the Hogan/Hogins side being possibly in Orange Co. Where to start? The place to start in theory are the "critical nodes" in the lines, where any discovery makes the connection work. Unfortunately, it's more often a "hit and miss" affair, hoping and praying to find anything that might prop up the sagging line. Where to start? For me it's the Charles - Charles connection, and then my Solomon - Charles connection. It's difficult to believe that my nearest Charles (mar Elizabeth) could have 7 to 10 children and not one of them being documented somewhere as being born or married. But, even with Solomon's children, I only have two of them "documented", and neither is a marriage certificate. The Charles - Hannah Kirk connection is so vital, but so very cold as a trail. I know that lots of the research and family tradition show a pointer to either Virginia or directly back to Scotland from NC. While that's all well and good, I am here to tell you that I could just as well believe that they went back even one more generation, possibly back into the "migration" locations, such as Pennsylvania. Where to go from here? Well, unfortunately, I'm leaving Colorado for three months and will be in Washington DC and Alabama, in a work mode, and that's usually not conducive to good research. However, I'm taking the RV, and I will be trying to slip over to Richmond in between job locations and will attempt to get "down and dirty". When I lived near WDC in the 90s I knew most of the routes (NGS, DAR, NARA, NARA-Land, FHCs,etc.,). I think we need a strong lead to follow, and frankly that's what's missing. There is actually a Smith descendant that says our Stewarts were in Livingston and Christian Counties, Kentucky prior to going to TN in/about 1810. But at the same time, roughly, two to four of the Stewart's were in GA playing with the GA Land Lottery 1805 1807 I think. This is all based on a Larkin Stewart / Smith relationship. IN the early 1990s I actually talked with a Smith descendant in Fayette, AL, who is a documented relative via his mom, of Larkin Stewart. (Name is Lynwood Smith..... they owned a merchandise store in Fayette.) Any thoughts on how to find a viable Charles Stewart in NC, TN, SC, GA, AL, possibly VA, KY, or PA? Any idea where the critical nodes are? Any suggestions on where to find a potential DNA sample without digging up someone's back yard? :-) Best Regards from 6600 ft, Dick Stewart PS: Jest FYI, CALLING ALL STEWARTS is a journal I produced in the early 90s, (AKA STEWART FAMILY GENEALOGICAL JOURNAL). Almost three years of research back then was an attempt to "cast a wide net" to see if any trails / leads could be developed. There were ZERO pointers to Solomon - Charles; Charles - Charles; Charles - Rev James, Charles - Hannah, etc.). We need a HOT lead!!!!!!

From the Lincoln County Tennessee Pioneers Volume XVI No. 2 June 1987 by Jane Warren Waller State of Tennessee Lincoln County I Geo.. Steuart hereby certify that the __________ contains a true full and perfect account of the personal property by me Sold as Admr of W. D. Gill Decd, to the best of my Knowledge-information & belief. George Stewart Sworn to & Subscribed before me, June 3d 1872 Jno. Y. Gill, Clerk approved H. C. Cowan, Judge Hope this helps. I have no further information on this entry. Thressa My son hardly ever makes the same mistake twice, but he makes a new one at every opportunity! :-D Karen

I am researching my GGGrandfather John Carter who died in Tippah County, Mississippi in 1850. His wife was Catherine and all leads point to Lincoln County Tennessee as his prior residence prior to moving to Tippah County sometime between 1840 and 1850. John was born in North Carolina. One of his sons was James S. Carter, my GGrandfather who was born in Tennessee in 1837. He died in Tippah County in 1903. The 1820 census has a John Carter in Lincoln County and I suspect he is my GGGrandfather. Any help or suggestions will be appreciated.

Larry, I got your mail and replied but it bounced as before. I highlighted your address and clicked ³new message² The mail Manager tried to deliver but failed so I am bewildered. If you are reading LCT list, contact me again and leave your phone and or snail mail address. Charlie -- Charles & Beverly Schull 1953 Yolanda St. Springfield, OR 97477 Phone: 541-746-4097 E-mail: coschull@comcast.net

I think it is 10.00 for people to order if you don't live in Tenn for death certificates Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michaele Swiderski" <msbs05@comcast.net> To: <TNLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [LCT] Genealogy Library > You can also order the observer and death certificates, etc from the TN > state archive. It's $5.oo for in-state address, not sure for out of state. I > have used them often. Maybe we could do a mail swap. I need to order info > from Chicago on my husband's Polish family! > > Michaele > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Tholaway6@aol.com> > To: <TNLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:07 PM > Subject: [LCT] Genealogy Library > > > > Can someone please tell me, if there is a genealogy library, where I can > > purchase records from?? Mostly from late 1800's and early 1900's. > Marriage > > records, obits, death cert... things of that nature. > > > > Also, there was an old newspaper called "Fayetteville Observer" would like > to > > purchase a few obits from early 1900's. > > > > I live in IL. so this would have to be mail order. > > Any help is appreciated. > > > > Some of my surnames are Metcalf - Scott - McAllister - > Southerland - > > Looney > > would love to hear from some of you > > > > Thanks, Trish Holaway > > > > > > ==== TNLINCOL Mailing List ==== > > Other genealogical mailists and newsgroups: > http://www.CyndisList.com/mailnews.htm > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== TNLINCOL Mailing List ==== > Other genealogical mailists and newsgroups: http://www.CyndisList.com/mailnews.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

compiled by Helen C. & Timothy R. Marsh Southern Historical Press, Inc Greenville, South Carolina 1996 Page 160 Deed Book "D" Page 73--27th November 1813--Deed from WILLIAM H. RAGSDALE of Lincoln County, Tennessee to MOSES BORREN of the same place for 30 acres of land in Lincoln County, Tennessee and adjoining an entry on the name of John Davidson and another entry in the name of John Davidson. Test: Charles Bedingfield and John M. Buchanan. Registered 17th March 1816. Page 162 Deed Book "D" Page 263--4th November 1816--Deed from JAMES BRIGHT of Lincoln County, Tennessee to MIDDLETON BEDINGFIELD of same place for 60 acres of land in Lincoln County and on both sides of Leatherwod Creek on east branch of Bradshaws Creek and adjoining a tract in the name of John McNairy. Said land was granted by the State of Tennessee to said James Bright by Grant No. 8922 and dated 15th March 1816. Registered 15th November 1816. CHARLES BEDINGFIELD is my line. Otherwise not related. Thought this would help someone in their research. Thressa My son hardly ever makes the same mistake twice, but he makes a new one at every opportunity! :-D Karen

Obits from PGSA is $5.00 ea. for members and $7.00 for non-members. Polish Genealogical Society of America www.pgsa.org Are Surnames on the index? Obits will be in polish. >From: "Michaele Swiderski" <msbs05@comcast.net> >Reply-To: TNLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com >To: TNLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [LCT] Genealogy Library >Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:11:51 -0500 > >You can also order the observer and death certificates, etc from the TN >state archive. It's $5.oo for in-state address, not sure for out of state. >I >have used them often. Maybe we could do a mail swap. I need to order info >from Chicago on my husband's Polish family! > >Michaele > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Tholaway6@aol.com> >To: <TNLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:07 PM >Subject: [LCT] Genealogy Library > > > > Can someone please tell me, if there is a genealogy library, where I can > > purchase records from?? Mostly from late 1800's and early 1900's. >Marriage > > records, obits, death cert... things of that nature. > > > > Also, there was an old newspaper called "Fayetteville Observer" would >like >to > > purchase a few obits from early 1900's. > > > > I live in IL. so this would have to be mail order. > > Any help is appreciated. > > > > Some of my surnames are Metcalf - Scott - McAllister - > Southerland - > > Looney > > would love to hear from some of you > > > > Thanks, Trish Holaway > > > > > > ==== TNLINCOL Mailing List ==== > > Other genealogical mailists and newsgroups: >http://www.CyndisList.com/mailnews.htm > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > >==== TNLINCOL Mailing List ==== >Other genealogical mailists and newsgroups: >http://www.CyndisList.com/mailnews.htm > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

You can also order the observer and death certificates, etc from the TN state archive. It's $5.oo for in-state address, not sure for out of state. I have used them often. Maybe we could do a mail swap. I need to order info from Chicago on my husband's Polish family! Michaele ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tholaway6@aol.com> To: <TNLINCOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: [LCT] Genealogy Library > Can someone please tell me, if there is a genealogy library, where I can > purchase records from?? Mostly from late 1800's and early 1900's. Marriage > records, obits, death cert... things of that nature. > > Also, there was an old newspaper called "Fayetteville Observer" would like to > purchase a few obits from early 1900's. > > I live in IL. so this would have to be mail order. > Any help is appreciated. > > Some of my surnames are Metcalf - Scott - McAllister - Southerland - > Looney > would love to hear from some of you > > Thanks, Trish Holaway > > > ==== TNLINCOL Mailing List ==== > Other genealogical mailists and newsgroups: http://www.CyndisList.com/mailnews.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

compiled by Helen C. & Timorthy R. Marsh published by Southern Historical Press, Inc. Greenville, South Carolina 1996. Page 64 Deed Book "H" Page 554--Lincoln County, Tenness, 26th December 1829--Deed from GOOD HOPE THARP of Lincoln County, Tennessee to CHARLES THARP of same place for a tract of land in Lincoln County on Bradshaw Craeek and containing 84 acares adjoining James Baugh's east boundary line and on Cornelius W. McGuire's west boundary line, then wiath Stephen Hightower's line. Wit: Thomas Hightower and M. Bedingfield. Reg: 27th May 1830. Page 68 Deed Book "H" page 584--15th August 1829--Deed from GOOD HOPE THORP of Lincoln County, Tennessee to CHARLES THORP of same place for a tract of land in Lincoln County and being on bothe sides of 'Bradshaw's Creek a branch of Elk River adjoining the south east corner of a tract of 124 acres originally granted by the State of Tennessee to John McNairy, assignee of John Barcoe by Grant No. 93 and by anothaer tract of land of 450 acre tract in the name of said McNairy. Wit: Thomas Hightower and M. Bedingafield. Reg: 7th June 1830. Page 112 Deed Book "I" Page 218--18th of February 1831--Deed from WILLIAM MALONEY to SWAN RAMBO of Lincoln County, Tennessee for a tract of land in Lincoln County on the waters of Bradshaw Creek adjoining John D(illegible)'s corner. Land containing 50 acres. Wit: M. Beddingfield and James Hampton. Reg: 20th April 1832. Not my line. Thought the info might help someone in their genealogy.

Hi again Teresa, Reuben CLEMENTS is generally documented via Maggie Sudduth and the Tuscaloosa Gen. Group. There just isn't any strong evidence to make the connection to Charles jr or sr. Jest FYI, in 1817 Judge Harry Toulmin ('stationed' and living in Mobile at the time) sends a petition in to the gov or to the congress, I forget which, wherein they are attempting to protect the upcoming demarcation between MS and AL. Quite a few signers of the petition out of the few "counties" in the "District of Alabama", including one Solomon STEWART of "Monroe County" which was just about all of Alabama at the time. Remember also he was enumerated in 1816 in same District, so after about 5 or 6 years of living in TN, he and his purported brothers and possibly cousins are appearing to be rooting around, probably in the Black Warrior or Tombigbee River environments. All of these guys were plantation / farming focused and now apparently possibly squatter / land focused, and wound up eventually getting land that was either conducive to farming, unique to the Black Belt of Alabama, or closer to river transportation (i.e. Black Warrior or Tombigbee or Alabama Rivers). In 1818, (the year in which my GG Grandfather was born, and at least one of the census entries says place of birth as "Alabama," I believe), Solomon Stewart spends six months enlisted and at Fort / Camp Montgomery. He doesn't "formally" get into Alabama until 1821 when he and his purported brother Reuben are lined up at the Huntsville Land Office to buy 80 acre parcels, and thence both of them apparently onward to Marion and Fayette Counties to do their thing. (Why they chose that area is a mystery to me). I believe they started off winding up at what's called Moore's Bridge near (not far from Tuscaloosa / Northport, or at least that's the tradition as told by descendants of Reuben and William STEWART (and I believe they cited 1818 / 1819 as the timeline for that!). Best I can figure, Reuben, (William), may have been into AL by 1819; Solomon probably had to wrap up things in Lincoln County, TN (LCT) and got in formally by 1821, and Larkin and Johanna (Walter Harkins) Stewart must have had a similar task: to clean up and clear out of Lincoln County, TN (see Tuscalloosa land grant for Walter Harkins, cited as from Lincoln County, TN). Larkin was operating on the "Barren Fork" of the West Fork of the Flint River, Walter Harkins and Johanna lived on "Stewart's Creek" off of the Elk River, and Reuben, William, Charles, and probably Benjamin lived on the "West Fork" of the Flint River. They appear to have had an interactive thing going, possibly with two goals: 1) getting products to market via the waters available 2) perhaps land speculation in LCT, and 3) perhaps biding time for AL opportunities Almost the same scenario becomes apparent once they are formally into AL. Once again with Larkin at the bottom of the paths (according to some researchers, he eventually buys his own steamboat to transport cotton to Mobile.). And Solomon had eventually made his way from Marion County to Tuscaloosa (I believe Tuscaloosa was the capital at the time), and then by about 1828-1829 to Perry County (part of the rich fertile Black Belt). Benjamin appears to be active in 1818 in Bibb county overseeing road building to Tuscaloosa, and shows up in a land transaction in 1826 in Tuscaloosa with Solomon, and in the Tuscaloosa County census in 1830 (with an 80-yr old female as part of the household). There's another land transaction in Tuscaloosa with Benjamin, with his wife Nancy (W. Pullam) Stewart signing ("X - her mark") Yepper, I feel for me too, Teresa! :-) And for the others who are temprarily bogged down in the mud. My aunt is the one that got me started in all this STEWART stuff, and it's all over me! Now, I'm stuck in the mud and I can't get it off of me! :-) I hate to wait another 5 years until I'm 60 and retired to resolve all of this, but it may come to that. And it will be a wild and wooly RV -based hunting party! CALLING ALL STEWARTS!!!! :-) Cheers from a sunny 6600 ft, Dick Stewart Colorado ======================== (from TS-de-Rios) The original Mississippi Territory created by the U.S. Congress in1798 was a strip of land extending about 100 miles north to south and from the Mississippi River to the Chattahoochee on the Georgia border. The territory was increased in 1804 and 1812 to reach from Tennessee to the Gulf. In 1817 the western part achieved statehood as Mississippi (the eastern part became the state of Alabama in 1819). Natchez, the first territorial capital, was replaced in 1802 by nearby Washington, which in turn was replaced by Jackson in 1822. Now, I am sure MS suffered great damage through records in the Civil War, recall Vicksburg? Reuben Clements ands son such as Hardy were documented since at least 1824 in MS territ. Why not research Reuben, his wife was Elizabeth Stewart and a sister to your Charles JR. Hardy Clements left is finger prints all over MS,.he was a surveyor. I don`t think it would be wise to dig up a body for DNA, there might not be much DNA left too. You`d need a different kind of lab for that kid of DNA testing and the cost would be great. I feel for you Dick, I am still searching for all these years. The Deep South is a nightmare for research, thanks to Gen Sherman. Teresa

You can purchase such information by e-mailing Sherrie Tomerlan at Lincoln County Archives, 1000-B West Washington St. Fayetteville, Tn. 37334. There is a fee which she will tell you how to order. Bill

Can someone please tell me, if there is a genealogy library, where I can purchase records from?? Mostly from late 1800's and early 1900's. Marriage records, obits, death cert... things of that nature. Also, there was an old newspaper called "Fayetteville Observer" would like to purchase a few obits from early 1900's. I live in IL. so this would have to be mail order. Any help is appreciated. Some of my surnames are Metcalf - Scott - McAllister - Southerland - Looney would love to hear from some of you Thanks, Trish Holaway

For all, let's move this to the STEWART list? For Teresa, Lauren, and Gerald, and......., CALLING ALL STEWARTS!!! (for NW-ALABAMA: Joan, just saw your call for queries. here's one if there ever was one! Also includes the old Monroe County 1816; Bibb County 1818 Benjamin Stewart, and Avery family; and Perry County - Solomon Stewart , and Larkin Stewart in Dale County). (for ALFAYETTE: Monya, any thoughts on the Harkins/Johanna Stewart connection from TN to AL? Has anyone ever attempted to confirm / deny the existance of a Charle Stewart / Elizabeth CLEMENTS burial plot north of Fayette? ) (Mark, your comments invited, probably best to move it to the STEWART list. Are there ANY leads left?) (Maggie, if you and Billie are still active, or anyone in the Tuscaloosa Morning Group for that matter, what's your thoughts on this line, especially the Reuben CLEMENTS / Elizabeth STEWART/STUART connection to the Charles Stewart line) (For Lincoln County TN (LCT: This clan of Stewarts were generally operating as land / plantation owners in what I call the "Flint River Basin" south of Fayetteville and on or just north of the TN / AL state line, during the 1810-1820 period. Includes Solomon, Reuben, Charles, Benjamin, William Stewart; as well as Walter Harkins (married Johanna Stewart, the one known sister in the clan). There is tenuous evidence (depends on how one reads the court / minute dockets) that there may be TWO Charles Stewarts, or TWO Reuben Stewarts active, or only ONE of each.) As Gerald Daniel noted in the previous email (not to all), it's a very cold trail. Supposedly Charles (m. Hannah Kirk) is buried in a rooted up cemetary out in NC behind an airfield somewhere, with no stone, etc. DNA would be very helpful here potentially, wouldn't it? But, ..... To further complicate it, my connection to Charles/Hannah, via Solomon, is his supposed dad, Charles (mar Elizabeth Clements). Both are supposedly buried in a certain cemetary between Winfield and Fayette Alabama. Of course, there's no stones, folks have been out there, found nothing, etc. DNA would be potentially helpful here, too, huh? But, ..... Our "documented" connection, for me, and the Charles/Elizabeth daughter Johanna Stewart (mar Harkins), and other brothers (Larkin, Charles III, Reuben, William, Benjamin, and any others we don't know about) is via a mormon lady Francis Mae Baker, who lived in SLC, and was apparently paid by the George Stewart Society (her line was via Charles/Elizabeths brother George Stewart, who while in Tuscaloosa decided to go othe mormon route) to come out and nail all of this down. This was in the 1950s!!!!! In the meantime, I've got family tradition that located my Solomon in the Gray (plantation)/Stewart (plantation) Cemetary ni Leake County. I've been there. All is gone, save about a dozen sunken slots. DNA would be really neat here, huh? But....... There are at least two full boxes of documentation (read: research notes) from Francis Mae Baker. I know, I have seen and touched them. Unfortunately I didn't have time to 'research' them, but then again, I didn't need to. Her notes and connections were based on face-to-face conversations with folks (including Harkins family in Fayette, AL) and included personal interviews with folks in North Carolina, (possibly TN, I don't recall, and possibly VA). She was hosted in NC by some folks in the Stewart lineage. We currently, in our line so to speak, have a person in NC, via the mom I believe (and therefore can't test) and is as close as it gets to nailing it down. Folks, he IS an archivist in the NC state archives, and he has come up empty as well. He and I have talked over the last few months and I indicated a desire to go to VA and get down and dirty and see what's there, as the trail is not only cold, but dying a slow death. He indicated that one could do almost the same thing from one's chair, via the microfilm. That's another story another day. As you know, the microfilm must be read someplace, and for me that's usually the local Mormon Family History Center (10 miles across town). ( I just came back from there last night - researching my wife's family in France. For me, though, it's just not the same. I think one has to blow the dust off of stuff and root through the bones. As a simple example, my wife and I did a round-robin back in 1993 through Tuscaloosa, Perry, Marengo, Fayette Counties of Alabama, Kemper and Leake Counties of Mississippi, and Lincoln County of Tennessee. In the Tuscaloosa courthouse/county clerks place, - I was, after getting a little pushy, able to go to the top floor which has never been protected, sorted, filed, etc. , and found my Solomon 12 times in four different court books dateing around 1823-1828. - My wife, quite by accident, found a land certificate on Solomon in a cabinet downstairs (while I was unstairs), and it also had Benjamin Stewart on it as well. Solomon had bought more land, just north of Tuscaloosa (Northport area), and had sold/transferred it to Benjamin. Nice...., very nice, better than DNA, but...... still no Charles / Elizabeth...... - While in Leake Co, MS, against my better judgement, we stopped in to the Carthage Library (don't blink your eyes when driving by - you'll miss it); and while there, one little teeny tiny book had some Leake Co marriages, and lo, there was my missing item: the marriage of one of Solomon's daughters Jerusha with the next door plantation guy, William Gray. Better than DNA, that made me really feel better about the notion of the existance of a Gray/Stewart Cemetary. - A brief meeting with the Carthage historical societe lady showed that my aunt indeed had received EXACT locational info (I mean degrees and coordinates, etc.) from a lady in Carthage that had long since passed away.). Been there (to the gravesite)... done that..... Wanted urgently to borrow a shovel and start looking for potential DNA samples. (Is that morbin or what?) Since the site is a one-acre residential plot, complete with house, that puts all options back on the shelf. Still no Charles,Elizabeth........ The trail is mighty cold. While I'm more than ever, thanks to the DNA test, convinced that this is evolving to be a relatively true story (The Solomon, Larkin, Reuben, Charles III, William, Johanna, Benjamin portion), I am, more than ever, convinced that a hunting party is about the only way we will ever establish the Solomon - Charles connection and the Charles - Charles connection, is a down and dirty hunting party. Unfortunately, it runs a slimy trail, to include MS, AL, TN, probably GA, probably SC, and then "TN - western NC" (late 1790's or early 1800s) according to my aunt and oral/family tradition, and then NC Wake/Cumberland/Hartnett (and throw in Teresa's points about Surry County, and my notion of the Hogan/Hogins side being possibly in Orange Co. Where to start? The place to start in theory are the "critical nodes" in the lines, where any discovery makes the connection work. Unfortunately, it's more often a "hit and miss" affair, hoping and praying to find anything that might prop up the sagging line. Where to start? For me it's the Charles - Charles connection, and then my Solomon - Charles connection. It's difficult to believe that my nearest Charles (mar Elizabeth) could have 7 to 10 children and not one of them being documented somewhere as being born or married. But, even with Solomon's children, I only have two of them "documented", and neither is a marriage certificate. The Charles - Hannah Kirk connection is so vital, but so very cold as a trail. I know that lots of the research and family tradition show a pointer to either Virginia or directly back to Scotland from NC. While that's all well and good, I am here to tell you that I could just as well believe that they went back even one more generation, possibly back into the "migration" locations, such as Pennsylvania. Where to go from here? Well, unfortunately, I'm leaving Colorado for three months and will be in Washington DC and Alabama, in a work mode, and that's usually not conducive to good research. However, I'm taking the RV, and I will be trying to slip over to Richmond in between job locations and will attempt to get "down and dirty". When I lived near WDC in the 90s I knew most of the routes (NGS, DAR, NARA, NARA-Land, FHCs,etc.,). I think we need a strong lead to follow, and frankly that's what's missing. There is actually a Smith descendant that says our Stewarts were in Livingston and Christian Counties, Kentucky prior to going to TN in/about 1810. But at the same time, roughly, two to four of the Stewart's were in GA playing with the GA Land Lottery 1805 1807 I think. This is all based on a Larkin Stewart / Smith relationship. IN the early 1990s I actually talked with a Smith descendant in Fayette, AL, who is a documented relative via his mom, of Larkin Stewart. (Name is Lynwood Smith..... they owned a merchandise store in Fayette.) Any thoughts on how to find a viable Charles Stewart in NC, TN, SC, GA, AL, possibly VA, KY, or PA? Any idea where the critical nodes are? Any suggestions on where to find a potential DNA sample without digging up someone's back yard? :-) Best Regards from 6600 ft, Dick Stewart PS: Jest FYI, CALLING ALL STEWARTS is a journal I produced in the early 90s, (AKA STEWART FAMILY GENEALOGICAL JOURNAL). Almost three years of research back then was an attempt to "cast a wide net" to see if any trails / leads could be developed. There were ZERO pointers to Solomon - Charles; Charles - Charles; Charles - Rev James, Charles - Hannah, etc.). We need a HOT lead!!!!!!