Thank you for this information. I will pursue it. Maxine -----Original Message----- From: tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JRgrs1@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:38 AM To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Pinckney and Bird and Birdie my ex husband has a brother William Byrd Parks, this was a family name as they had a great uncle I believe it was that was also named William Byrd This Parks family was out of Sumner county. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

my ex husband has a brother William Byrd Parks, this was a family name as they had a great uncle I believe it was that was also named William Byrd This Parks family was out of Sumner county.

I have always wondered about the name Pinkney/Pinckney as well. There were 2 Charles Pinckney's (Patriots). Charles (1757-1824) Gov of SC and signer of the Constitution & his cousin once removed Charles C. Pinckney, also a signer of the Constitution. The Pinckney family it seems was one of the founding families of Colonial America. Birdie is used sometimes as a nick name for Bridget but have never seen that name, in my nick of the woods, earlier than the 1950's. Prince Albert Edward (son of Queen Victoria) who became King Edward VII nick name was Bertie. That is the only time I remember seeing a name even close to Bird/Birdie before modern times. Never know why people use the names they do. My poor grandmother was stuck with the name Willie ( here given name). Her husband my grandfather James F. Wright was called Doc. He was not a Doctor. In the George Washington Wright family of Belleville, TN had a Thom (middle name)Wright (female). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maxine Odle" <maxseen@bellsouth.net> To: "Rootsweb Lincoln Co." <tnlincol@rootsweb.com>; <TNMOORE-L@rootsweb.com>; <TNBEDFOR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:43 PM Subject: [TNLINCOL] Pinckney and Bird and Birdie >I wonder at the frequency of the names "Pinckney", "Bird", and "Birdie" in > my genealogy searching, especially in Moore and Lincoln counties. I > looked > up the name "Pinckney" and found out the Seventh US Attorney General was a > man named William Pinckney, born in Annapolis MD---1764-1822. > > > > There are a lot of women who have the given name of "Birdie" and I have > seen > a lot of surnames of "Bird." My grandmother had a twin who died at birth, > and these 2 baby girls were named "Ida Mae" and "Ada Bird" (Parks from > Moore County.) > > > > Can someone tell me about these names? Maxine Odle > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ellen Jenkins Clark was the daughter of Dr. Thomas N. Jenkins and Nannie Halbert Jenkins. She was born in 1893 and I think died in 1965. She was married to Cordell H. Clark. Cordell Clark died in 1927 and is buried in Lynnwood Cemetery in Giles County, Tennessee. However, so far I can't final the burial place of Ellen Jenkins Clark. I don't find her buried in Lynnwood Cem with her husband. I thought she might be buried in Halbert Cemetery Lincoln Co. where her parents are buried. If anyone knows of the burial place of Ellen Jenkins Clark, could you let me know? Judy Sanders

I am adding to my last query. I found, for instance, a will in the Moore Co. wills for John Bird, dated Sept. 1882. He had a brother Bartlett Bird, and children Rhoda A., Sarah, and James Bird. Does anyone know if this family had any connection with the given name of "Bird" and (mostly female) given name of "Birdie"?

I agree with Julia the census serves many purposes and the more clues left for future generations who begin their family research the better. I care more about that and full birth date is important. Kaye Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: tnlincol-request@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 01:01:43 To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Subject: TNLINCOL Digest, Vol 5, Issue 26 Today's Topics: 1. Re: 1890,1930 & 2010 Census (Donna Hanlon) 2. Re: two cents from a former census taker (Bob McAlister) 3. Re: two cents from a former census taker (Grace Ashley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 11:27:18 -0600 From: Donna Hanlon <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] 1890,1930 & 2010 Census To: LCT list <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <SNT139-w45287A6C3748FA35B8F291C73B0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You can see the sample census form on line. It even asks for your phone number. Wants to know if you own, mortgage or rent. Most of the questions are in line with what was on previous older census. I fail to see what the exact phone number has to do with anything. Just ask whether or not a phone is in the home, like they did a radio in 1930. They want full birthdate for head of household. Not sure how all the questions have to do with redistricting. > From: anneokle@sptc.net > To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:02:34 -0600 > Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] 1890,1930 & 2010 Census > > Then they should only ask one question and that being how many occupants in > the home. > Grace > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Julia Molitz" <jmolitz@cox.net> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:59 PM > To: "TNLINCOL" <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [TNLINCOL] 1890,1930 & 2010 Census > > > List members, > > > > Let us not forget what the census is for. It is not for genealogy or > > knowing how many TV's or bathrooms one has. It is to determine the > > district lines for Congressmen to represent that district or how many > > Congressmen a state must have. There are districts that change in 10 > > years. There may be more or less people living in an individual district > > therefore lines may be redrawn. Or there may be more or less people in a > > state, so the state may lose or gain a Congressman. By not answering the > > 2010 census could throw off the count and one may not wish for their > > district to be incorporated with another or lose a Congressman. > > > > This is the reason I believe that the 2010 census should be kept on micro > > film. It would be a paper trail that would show if fraud was used to over > > count or under count. Using the census for genealogy is like icing on a > > cake. A wonderful side benefit for us. > > > > Census records are released to the public ever 12 years. The 1930 census > > is complete & on line at several genealogy sites for a cost. The 1890 > > census is the one that is incomplete. The 1900 & 1910 census are damaged > > on some pages. > > > > The way to try to get the 2010 census on microfilm is to contact your > > Senator and Congressman using genealogy only as a side talking point. If > > you do not fill out the form & mail it in a census worker will come to > > your house. I am going to make a copy of my filled out & signed census > > form for a paper trail. I may be the only one :-( > > > > One thing may happen. The Mormon Church may step in to microfilm the > > census, if they can. If they pay to do so I am sure there will be more > > than one Congressman who will be happy to get in on that deal. > > > > Julia > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:17:06 -0500 (EST) From: Bob McAlister <bob_mcalister@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] two cents from a former census taker To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CC8864D83E6BB2-17F8-5CD@angweb-usm003.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" what law requires participation? -----Original Message----- From: richerson52@comcast.net To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:41 pm Subject: [TNLINCOL] two cents from a former census taker As a 1980 door-to-door census taker,* let me urge everyone to fill in your own ensus and mail it in! That will save our government (us) the money that would therwise have to be paid to census takers, who will go to an address up to hree times! Participation is required by law. lder censuses did not have forms to mail in; information was collected by oor-to-door enumerators. On the very old forms I think we are seeing the actual ollected info. If the list is alphabetical, then of course no. magine: . miles between houses out in the country. The enumerator arrives and only a 2-yr-old boy is at home. Ask him or come back? That's why I question ANY old erson's age if it ends in a zero or 5---sounds like estimating. .. given dental care in the old days (many people toothless from middle age on), iteracy, and accents, the enumerator spelled names as best as he could. Our arrons became Barnes..... .. same for birthplaces. I doubt that my children could correctly give the irthplaces of their grandparents. ensuses are essential for accurate representation in Congress and local overnment. As genealogy tools, they are a wonderful.......clue!!! Not a uaranteed fact. (As a census-taker, I faced menacing dogs, strange entryways with snakeskins n the floor, and a "hypnotist" who wanted me as his "assistant"! Mail in your ensus!!!) hyllis ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:14:43 -0600 From: "Grace Ashley" <anneokle@sptc.net> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] two cents from a former census taker To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5CE0914E7AC84CA4A82D7C6139FCF429@Grace> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original write me direct and I will send a youtube video that is very informative. Grace -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob McAlister" <bob_mcalister@compuserve.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:17 PM To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] two cents from a former census taker > what law requires participation? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: richerson52@comcast.net > To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:41 pm > Subject: [TNLINCOL] two cents from a former census taker > > > As a 1980 door-to-door census taker,* let me urge everyone to fill in your > own > ensus and mail it in! That will save our government (us) the money that > would > therwise have to be paid to census takers, who will go to an address up to > hree times! Participation is required by law. > > lder censuses did not have forms to mail in; information was collected by > oor-to-door enumerators. On the very old forms I think we are seeing the > actual > ollected info. If the list is alphabetical, then of course no. > > magine: > . miles between houses out in the country. The enumerator arrives and only > a > 2-yr-old boy is at home. Ask him or come back? That's why I question ANY > old > erson's age if it ends in a zero or 5---sounds like estimating. > > . given dental care in the old days (many people toothless from middle age > on), > iteracy, and accents, the enumerator spelled names as best as he could. > Our > arrons became Barnes..... > > . same for birthplaces. I doubt that my children could correctly give the > irthplaces of their grandparents. > > ensuses are essential for accurate representation in Congress and local > overnment. As genealogy tools, they are a wonderful.......clue!!! Not a > uaranteed fact. > > (As a census-taker, I faced menacing dogs, strange entryways with > snakeskins > n the floor, and a "hypnotist" who wanted me as his "assistant"! 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I wonder at the frequency of the names "Pinckney", "Bird", and "Birdie" in my genealogy searching, especially in Moore and Lincoln counties. I looked up the name "Pinckney" and found out the Seventh US Attorney General was a man named William Pinckney, born in Annapolis MD---1764-1822. There are a lot of women who have the given name of "Birdie" and I have seen a lot of surnames of "Bird." My grandmother had a twin who died at birth, and these 2 baby girls were named "Ida Mae" and "Ada Bird" (Parks from Moore County.) Can someone tell me about these names? Maxine Odle

My son is a computer whiz, so I asked him your question as he had updated my FTM (not 2010, but another version).  He said that you should have no problem opening older files from the newer version. D. Carter --- On Mon, 3/1/10, Singing Man <singingman7@comcast.net> wrote: From: Singing Man <singingman7@comcast.net> Subject: [TNLINCOL] Question To: "LCTGen" <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 5:45 PM Recently had some severe pc problems and had to get a new one. The guy that built it for me thought he was "cloning" everything I needed but alas he didn't transfer my FTM setup file.......I have the individual files with all my programs but not the executable program. (I cannot find my disc) My question is this: Today I was in the Target store and discovered  FTM 2010. Does anyone know if this program will open the files generated under an older version of FTM? TIA. Larry D Vaya con Dios http://home.comcast.net/~singingman7/index.html http://home.hiwaay.net/~singer/FR.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

what law requires participation? -----Original Message----- From: richerson52@comcast.net To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:41 pm Subject: [TNLINCOL] two cents from a former census taker As a 1980 door-to-door census taker,* let me urge everyone to fill in your own ensus and mail it in! That will save our government (us) the money that would therwise have to be paid to census takers, who will go to an address up to hree times! Participation is required by law. lder censuses did not have forms to mail in; information was collected by oor-to-door enumerators. On the very old forms I think we are seeing the actual ollected info. If the list is alphabetical, then of course no. magine: . miles between houses out in the country. The enumerator arrives and only a 2-yr-old boy is at home. Ask him or come back? That's why I question ANY old erson's age if it ends in a zero or 5---sounds like estimating. . given dental care in the old days (many people toothless from middle age on), iteracy, and accents, the enumerator spelled names as best as he could. Our arrons became Barnes..... . same for birthplaces. I doubt that my children could correctly give the irthplaces of their grandparents. ensuses are essential for accurate representation in Congress and local overnment. As genealogy tools, they are a wonderful.......clue!!! Not a uaranteed fact. (As a census-taker, I faced menacing dogs, strange entryways with snakeskins n the floor, and a "hypnotist" who wanted me as his "assistant"! Mail in your ensus!!!) hyllis ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

write me direct and I will send a youtube video that is very informative. Grace -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob McAlister" <bob_mcalister@compuserve.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:17 PM To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] two cents from a former census taker > what law requires participation? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: richerson52@comcast.net > To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, Mar 1, 2010 4:41 pm > Subject: [TNLINCOL] two cents from a former census taker > > > As a 1980 door-to-door census taker,* let me urge everyone to fill in your > own > ensus and mail it in! That will save our government (us) the money that > would > therwise have to be paid to census takers, who will go to an address up to > hree times! Participation is required by law. > > lder censuses did not have forms to mail in; information was collected by > oor-to-door enumerators. On the very old forms I think we are seeing the > actual > ollected info. If the list is alphabetical, then of course no. > > magine: > . miles between houses out in the country. The enumerator arrives and only > a > 2-yr-old boy is at home. Ask him or come back? That's why I question ANY > old > erson's age if it ends in a zero or 5---sounds like estimating. > > . given dental care in the old days (many people toothless from middle age > on), > iteracy, and accents, the enumerator spelled names as best as he could. > Our > arrons became Barnes..... > > . same for birthplaces. I doubt that my children could correctly give the > irthplaces of their grandparents. > > ensuses are essential for accurate representation in Congress and local > overnment. As genealogy tools, they are a wonderful.......clue!!! Not a > uaranteed fact. > > (As a census-taker, I faced menacing dogs, strange entryways with > snakeskins > n the floor, and a "hypnotist" who wanted me as his "assistant"! Mail in > your > ensus!!!) > > hyllis > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You can see the sample census form on line. It even asks for your phone number. Wants to know if you own, mortgage or rent. Most of the questions are in line with what was on previous older census. I fail to see what the exact phone number has to do with anything. Just ask whether or not a phone is in the home, like they did a radio in 1930. They want full birthdate for head of household. Not sure how all the questions have to do with redistricting. > From: anneokle@sptc.net > To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:02:34 -0600 > Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] 1890,1930 & 2010 Census > > Then they should only ask one question and that being how many occupants in > the home. > Grace > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Julia Molitz" <jmolitz@cox.net> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:59 PM > To: "TNLINCOL" <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [TNLINCOL] 1890,1930 & 2010 Census > > > List members, > > > > Let us not forget what the census is for. It is not for genealogy or > > knowing how many TV's or bathrooms one has. It is to determine the > > district lines for Congressmen to represent that district or how many > > Congressmen a state must have. There are districts that change in 10 > > years. There may be more or less people living in an individual district > > therefore lines may be redrawn. Or there may be more or less people in a > > state, so the state may lose or gain a Congressman. By not answering the > > 2010 census could throw off the count and one may not wish for their > > district to be incorporated with another or lose a Congressman. > > > > This is the reason I believe that the 2010 census should be kept on micro > > film. It would be a paper trail that would show if fraud was used to over > > count or under count. Using the census for genealogy is like icing on a > > cake. A wonderful side benefit for us. > > > > Census records are released to the public ever 12 years. The 1930 census > > is complete & on line at several genealogy sites for a cost. The 1890 > > census is the one that is incomplete. The 1900 & 1910 census are damaged > > on some pages. > > > > The way to try to get the 2010 census on microfilm is to contact your > > Senator and Congressman using genealogy only as a side talking point. If > > you do not fill out the form & mail it in a census worker will come to > > your house. I am going to make a copy of my filled out & signed census > > form for a paper trail. I may be the only one :-( > > > > One thing may happen. The Mormon Church may step in to microfilm the > > census, if they can. If they pay to do so I am sure there will be more > > than one Congressman who will be happy to get in on that deal. > > > > Julia > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/

As a 1980 door-to-door census taker,* let me urge everyone to fill in your own census and mail it in! That will save our government (us) the money that would otherwise have to be paid to census takers, who will go to an address up to three times! Participation is required by law. Older censuses did not have forms to mail in; information was collected by door-to-door enumerators. On the very old forms I think we are seeing the actual collected info. If the list is alphabetical, then of course no. Imagine: 1. miles between houses out in the country. The enumerator arrives and only a 12-yr-old boy is at home. Ask him or come back? That's why I question ANY old person's age if it ends in a zero or 5---sounds like estimating. 2. given dental care in the old days (many people toothless from middle age on), literacy, and accents, the enumerator spelled names as best as he could. Our Barrons became Barnes..... 3. same for birthplaces. I doubt that my children could correctly give the birthplaces of their grandparents. Censuses are essential for accurate representation in Congress and local government. As genealogy tools, they are a wonderful.......clue!!! Not a guaranteed fact. * (As a census-taker, I faced menacing dogs, strange entryways with snakeskins on the floor, and a "hypnotist" who wanted me as his "assistant"! Mail in your census!!!) Phyllis

I am planning to up-date to 2010 this month. An e-mail to Ancestory.com assured me that my old program was adaptable and merge able. To be on the safe side, I am planning to retain a 2nd disc with all my info just in the event something gets screwed during the transition. -----Original Message----- From: tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Singing Man Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:46 PM To: LCTGen Subject: [TNLINCOL] Question Recently had some severe pc problems and had to get a new one. The guy that built it for me thought he was "cloning" everything I needed but alas he didn't transfer my FTM setup file.......I have the individual files with all my programs but not the executable program. (I cannot find my disc) My question is this: Today I was in the Target store and discovered FTM 2010. Does anyone know if this program will open the files generated under an older version of FTM? TIA. Larry D Vaya con Dios http://home.comcast.net/~singingman7/index.html http://home.hiwaay.net/~singer/FR.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just got through installing 2010, literally minutes ago, and it will ask you if want to open the old ones into the new program. Worked like a dream. I just got a new computer and the files were on it but not FTM. I could not run the new ones on my old computer because of a very slow processor. -----Original Message----- From: tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John V. Burns Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:10 PM To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Question I am planning to up-date to 2010 this month. An e-mail to Ancestory.com assured me that my old program was adaptable and merge able. To be on the safe side, I am planning to retain a 2nd disc with all my info just in the event something gets screwed during the transition. -----Original Message----- From: tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Singing Man Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:46 PM To: LCTGen Subject: [TNLINCOL] Question Recently had some severe pc problems and had to get a new one. The guy that built it for me thought he was "cloning" everything I needed but alas he didn't transfer my FTM setup file.......I have the individual files with all my programs but not the executable program. (I cannot find my disc) My question is this: Today I was in the Target store and discovered FTM 2010. Does anyone know if this program will open the files generated under an older version of FTM? TIA. Larry D Vaya con Dios http://home.comcast.net/~singingman7/index.html http://home.hiwaay.net/~singer/FR.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Recently had some severe pc problems and had to get a new one. The guy that built it for me thought he was "cloning" everything I needed but alas he didn't transfer my FTM setup file.......I have the individual files with all my programs but not the executable program. (I cannot find my disc) My question is this: Today I was in the Target store and discovered FTM 2010. Does anyone know if this program will open the files generated under an older version of FTM? TIA. Larry D Vaya con Dios http://home.comcast.net/~singingman7/index.html http://home.hiwaay.net/~singer/FR.htm

Then they should only ask one question and that being how many occupants in the home. Grace -------------------------------------------------- From: "Julia Molitz" <jmolitz@cox.net> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:59 PM To: "TNLINCOL" <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Subject: [TNLINCOL] 1890,1930 & 2010 Census > List members, > > Let us not forget what the census is for. It is not for genealogy or > knowing how many TV's or bathrooms one has. It is to determine the > district lines for Congressmen to represent that district or how many > Congressmen a state must have. There are districts that change in 10 > years. There may be more or less people living in an individual district > therefore lines may be redrawn. Or there may be more or less people in a > state, so the state may lose or gain a Congressman. By not answering the > 2010 census could throw off the count and one may not wish for their > district to be incorporated with another or lose a Congressman. > > This is the reason I believe that the 2010 census should be kept on micro > film. It would be a paper trail that would show if fraud was used to over > count or under count. Using the census for genealogy is like icing on a > cake. A wonderful side benefit for us. > > Census records are released to the public ever 12 years. The 1930 census > is complete & on line at several genealogy sites for a cost. The 1890 > census is the one that is incomplete. The 1900 & 1910 census are damaged > on some pages. > > The way to try to get the 2010 census on microfilm is to contact your > Senator and Congressman using genealogy only as a side talking point. If > you do not fill out the form & mail it in a census worker will come to > your house. I am going to make a copy of my filled out & signed census > form for a paper trail. I may be the only one :-( > > One thing may happen. The Mormon Church may step in to microfilm the > census, if they can. If they pay to do so I am sure there will be more > than one Congressman who will be happy to get in on that deal. > > Julia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don't count on it! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Family Tracker" <familytracker@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 2:34 PM To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] TNLINCOL Digest, Vol 5, Issue 21 > Please don't confuse "information" with "media". The old census data > (information) was preserved and archived on paper (media). I am sure that > the 2010 census data (information) will be also be preserved....only this > time on computer discs (media). And I'm sure, some time after most of us > have passed, it will all be available to future generations on line. Heck, > I'll even bet iPhones will have an "app" for that! > > Relax > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <tnlincol-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 2:56 PM > Subject: TNLINCOL Digest, Vol 5, Issue 21 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Re 2010 census blog (Donna Hanlon) >> 2. Re: Re 2010 census blog (Marleen Van Horne) >> 3. Re: Re 2010 census blog (Donna Hanlon) >> 4. 1890,1930 & 2010 Census (Julia Molitz) >> 5. Re: 1890,1930 & 2010 Census (Sam Jobe) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:21:08 -0600 >> From: Donna Hanlon <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Re 2010 census blog >> To: LCT list <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <SNT139-w5338371DA873F02CCB8909C73C0@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Makes you wonder the reasoning behind destroying a very important >> document >> like this one when they supposedly still have the partially destroyed >> 1930 >> in storage. If it is too big to keep, that is understandable, but >> microfilm copies don't take much room.... Should there be an uprising of >> public sentiment to preserve the documents. A few years ago, wasn't there >> some kind of similar situation about the 1930? >> >>> From: Quickcrunch@aol.com >>> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:07:08 -0500 >>> To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [TNLINCOL] Re 2010 census blog >>> >>> The below link, as given by Leatherman, will take you there. I was just >>> there without any problem. Perhaps if the link as posted by Rootsweb has >>> an >>> extra character before the first h and another at the end you will need >>> to >>> copy between them or delete them before a copy and paste into your ISP >>> line, >>> or before hitting it within the post as a link... >>> >>> Yes, censuses are important down the line. My grandmother was trying to >>> obtain a delayed birth certificate as she needed to prove her birth was >>> in >>> 1878; she had two of the criteria and needed one more. She did not >>> realize >>> she was on the 1880 census where her age/birth year matched up with her >>> other >>> criteria. We did not discover this until after she had passed on. >>> Aileen >>> >>> _http://blog.capecodgensoc.org/2010/02/save-2010-census-no-images-to-be.html >>> _ >>> (http://blog.capecodgensoc.org/2010/02/save-2010-census-no-images-to-be.html) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 07:34:12 -0800 >> From: Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> >> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Re 2010 census blog >> To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <4B8BDE74.2070101@jps.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> My understanding is that the 1930 census, was first water damaged when >> the water used to put out a fire in the Department of Commerce building >> flowed into the basement where the census was stored. A number of years >> later some dim bulb in the government, sent the mess to the dump, about >> 1938. Only a few fragmented counties remain, and they are available if >> you are so lucky to have ancestors who lived in those places. >> >> As to the 2010 census, again my understanding is that only a sampling of >> households will be sent the full form with the type of questions, the >> answers to which are useful to genealogists. The rest of us will get >> short forms that only address the statistics they are looking for. >> >> I personally think this is a great rip off of the American people by >> more dim bulb bureaucrats. My inclination is not to respond. If people >> who object to the shoddy job that is planned, boycott the census, they >> may have to rethink what they are doing. >> >> Marleen Van Horne >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:50:53 -0600 >> From: Donna Hanlon <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Re 2010 census blog >> To: LCT list <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <SNT139-w56F34F81724F159315E29EC73C0@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> I totally agree about the level of IQ involved in the handling of the >> census and it value when not everyone will receive the same level of >> questions. How can this be a fair assessment of our population, vital >> statistics and diversity? However, since it is a government mandated info >> collection, I wonder if we have the right to refuse to answer the >> questions. By the same token, they(govt) relies on our honesty in filling >> out the blanks with the truth and nothing but the truth. I can see some >> real flaws in the system. Now they have you on GPS, so if you fail to >> return the form, I guess they hunt you down. Just my humble opinion. >> >> We filled them out in1990, 2000. Don't remember even getting one in the >> years prior. We lived in the same house from 1967-1991. Looking forward >> to >> the 1940 being released. Not sure when it will be available to us tho. >> >>> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:34:12 -0800 >>> From: msvnhrn@jps.net >>> To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Re 2010 census blog >>> >>> My understanding is that the 1930 census, was first water damaged when >>> the water used to put out a fire in the Department of Commerce building >>> flowed into the basement where the census was stored. A number of years >>> later some dim bulb in the government, sent the mess to the dump, about >>> 1938. Only a few fragmented counties remain, and they are available if >>> you are so lucky to have ancestors who lived in those places. >>> >>> As to the 2010 census, again my understanding is that only a sampling of >>> households will be sent the full form with the type of questions, the >>> answers to which are useful to genealogists. The rest of us will get >>> short forms that only address the statistics they are looking for. >>> >>> I personally think this is a great rip off of the American people by >>> more dim bulb bureaucrats. My inclination is not to respond. If people >>> who object to the shoddy job that is planned, boycott the census, they >>> may have to rethink what they are doing. >>> >>> Marleen Van Horne >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:59:07 -0800 >> From: "Julia Molitz" <jmolitz@cox.net> >> Subject: [TNLINCOL] 1890,1930 & 2010 Census >> To: "TNLINCOL" <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <CEAB420998DB422DA9F55BA760527302@Julia> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> List members, >> >> Let us not forget what the census is for. It is not for genealogy or >> knowing how many TV's or bathrooms one has. It is to determine the >> district lines for Congressmen to represent that district or how many >> Congressmen a state must have. There are districts that change in 10 >> years. There may be more or less people living in an individual district >> therefore lines may be redrawn. Or there may be more or less people in a >> state, so the state may lose or gain a Congressman. By not answering the >> 2010 census could throw off the count and one may not wish for their >> district to be incorporated with another or lose a Congressman. >> >> This is the reason I believe that the 2010 census should be kept on micro >> film. It would be a paper trail that would show if fraud was used to >> over >> count or under count. Using the census for genealogy is like icing on a >> cake. A wonderful side benefit for us. >> >> Census records are released to the public ever 12 years. The 1930 census >> is complete & on line at several genealogy sites for a cost. The 1890 >> census is the one that is incomplete. The 1900 & 1910 census are damaged >> on some pages. >> >> The way to try to get the 2010 census on microfilm is to contact your >> Senator and Congressman using genealogy only as a side talking point. If >> you do not fill out the form & mail it in a census worker will come to >> your house. I am going to make a copy of my filled out & signed census >> form for a paper trail. I may be the only one :-( >> >> One thing may happen. The Mormon Church may step in to microfilm the >> census, if they can. If they pay to do so I am sure there will be more >> than one Congressman who will be happy to get in on that deal. >> >> Julia >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:49:49 -0600 >> From: "Sam Jobe" <SamsRoots@bellsouth.net> >> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] 1890,1930 & 2010 Census >> To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <007a01cab978$5aab4bb0$1001e310$@net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> List Members, >> Hopefully with all the interest in Genealogy lately, like the two series >> on >> TV >> Will attract more folks to research their heritage and strengthening our >> voice on issues >> Like this. Just my opinion. >> Thanks for listening, >> Sam Jobe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Julia Molitz >> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:59 PM >> To: TNLINCOL >> Subject: [TNLINCOL] 1890,1930 & 2010 Census >> >> List members, >> >> Let us not forget what the census is for. It is not for genealogy or >> knowing how many TV's or bathrooms one has. It is to determine the >> district >> lines for Congressmen to represent that district or how many Congressmen >> a >> state must have. There are districts that change in 10 years. There may >> be >> more or less people living in an individual district therefore lines may >> be >> redrawn. Or there may be more or less people in a state, so the state >> may >> lose or gain a Congressman. By not answering the 2010 census could throw >> off the count and one may not wish for their district to be incorporated >> with another or lose a Congressman. >> >> This is the reason I believe that the 2010 census should be kept on micro >> film. It would be a paper trail that would show if fraud was used to >> over >> count or under count. Using the census for genealogy is like icing on a >> cake. A wonderful side benefit for us. >> >> Census records are released to the public ever 12 years. The 1930 census >> is >> complete & on line at several genealogy sites for a cost. The 1890 >> census >> is the one that is incomplete. The 1900 & 1910 census are damaged on >> some >> pages. >> >> The way to try to get the 2010 census on microfilm is to contact your >> Senator and Congressman using genealogy only as a side talking point. If >> you do not fill out the form & mail it in a census worker will come to >> your >> house. I am going to make a copy of my filled out & signed census form >> for >> a paper trail. I may be the only one :-( >> >> One thing may happen. The Mormon Church may step in to microfilm the >> census, if they can. If they pay to do so I am sure there will be more >> than >> one Congressman who will be happy to get in on that deal. >> >> Julia >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the TNLINCOL list administrator, send an email to >> TNLINCOL-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the TNLINCOL mailing list, send an email to >> TNLINCOL@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of TNLINCOL Digest, Vol 5, Issue 21 >> *************************************** >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

RE: 2010, AMEN to all the above. We have a lot of SMARTS and even if the paper trail of the census was destroyed I'm sure there will be other trails made for all of us, genealogists or not, to trace our ancestors, etc. or just to have fun with and most important for our government to do what they MUST the have information for. Our ancestors started the census for a reason and that was financial and it still is the main reason. Read your history. We must all fill out the form and get it mailed in, regardless. Jewel ----- Original Message ----- From: <tnlincol-request@rootsweb.com> To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 3:41 PM Subject: TNLINCOL Digest, Vol 5, Issue 22 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: TNLINCOL Digest, Vol 5, Issue 21 (Family Tracker) > 2. Re: 2010 census (Melissa Hogan) > 3. two cents from a former census taker (richerson52@comcast.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:34:10 -0500 > From: "Family Tracker" <familytracker@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] TNLINCOL Digest, Vol 5, Issue 21 > To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <90BF08688EE84D21976A04B9E7BA370A@RichardPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Please don't confuse "information" with "media". The old census data > (information) was preserved and archived on paper (media). I am sure that > the 2010 census data (information) will be also be preserved....only this > time on computer discs (media). And I'm sure, some time after most of us > have passed, it will all be available to future generations on line. Heck, > I'll even bet iPhones will have an "app" for that! > > Relax > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <tnlincol-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 2:56 PM > Subject: TNLINCOL Digest, Vol 5, Issue 21 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Re 2010 census blog (Donna Hanlon) >> 2. Re: Re 2010 census blog (Marleen Van Horne) >> 3. Re: Re 2010 census blog (Donna Hanlon) >> 4. 1890,1930 & 2010 Census (Julia Molitz) >> 5. Re: 1890,1930 & 2010 Census (Sam Jobe) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:21:08 -0600 >> From: Donna Hanlon <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Re 2010 census blog >> To: LCT list <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <SNT139-w5338371DA873F02CCB8909C73C0@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Makes you wonder the reasoning behind destroying a very important >> document >> like this one when they supposedly still have the partially destroyed >> 1930 >> in storage. If it is too big to keep, that is understandable, but >> microfilm copies don't take much room.... Should there be an uprising of >> public sentiment to preserve the documents. A few years ago, wasn't there >> some kind of similar situation about the 1930? >> >>> From: Quickcrunch@aol.com >>> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:07:08 -0500 >>> To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [TNLINCOL] Re 2010 census blog >>> >>> The below link, as given by Leatherman, will take you there. I was just >>> there without any problem. Perhaps if the link as posted by Rootsweb has >>> an >>> extra character before the first h and another at the end you will need >>> to >>> copy between them or delete them before a copy and paste into your ISP >>> line, >>> or before hitting it within the post as a link... >>> >>> Yes, censuses are important down the line. My grandmother was trying to >>> obtain a delayed birth certificate as she needed to prove her birth was >>> in >>> 1878; she had two of the criteria and needed one more. She did not >>> realize >>> she was on the 1880 census where her age/birth year matched up with her >>> other >>> criteria. We did not discover this until after she had passed on. >>> Aileen >>> >>> _http://blog.capecodgensoc.org/2010/02/save-2010-census-no-images-to-be.html >>> _ >>> (http://blog.capecodgensoc.org/2010/02/save-2010-census-no-images-to-be.html) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 07:34:12 -0800 >> From: Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> >> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Re 2010 census blog >> To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <4B8BDE74.2070101@jps.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> My understanding is that the 1930 census, was first water damaged when >> the water used to put out a fire in the Department of Commerce building >> flowed into the basement where the census was stored. A number of years >> later some dim bulb in the government, sent the mess to the dump, about >> 1938. Only a few fragmented counties remain, and they are available if >> you are so lucky to have ancestors who lived in those places. >> >> As to the 2010 census, again my understanding is that only a sampling of >> households will be sent the full form with the type of questions, the >> answers to which are useful to genealogists. The rest of us will get >> short forms that only address the statistics they are looking for. >> >> I personally think this is a great rip off of the American people by >> more dim bulb bureaucrats. My inclination is not to respond. If people >> who object to the shoddy job that is planned, boycott the census, they >> may have to rethink what they are doing. >> >> Marleen Van Horne >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:50:53 -0600 >> From: Donna Hanlon <dehanlon47@hotmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Re 2010 census blog >> To: LCT list <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <SNT139-w56F34F81724F159315E29EC73C0@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> I totally agree about the level of IQ involved in the handling of the >> census and it value when not everyone will receive the same level of >> questions. How can this be a fair assessment of our population, vital >> statistics and diversity? However, since it is a government mandated info >> collection, I wonder if we have the right to refuse to answer the >> questions. By the same token, they(govt) relies on our honesty in filling >> out the blanks with the truth and nothing but the truth. I can see some >> real flaws in the system. Now they have you on GPS, so if you fail to >> return the form, I guess they hunt you down. Just my humble opinion. >> >> We filled them out in1990, 2000. Don't remember even getting one in the >> years prior. We lived in the same house from 1967-1991. Looking forward >> to >> the 1940 being released. Not sure when it will be available to us tho. >> >>> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:34:12 -0800 >>> From: msvnhrn@jps.net >>> To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] Re 2010 census blog >>> >>> My understanding is that the 1930 census, was first water damaged when >>> the water used to put out a fire in the Department of Commerce building >>> flowed into the basement where the census was stored. A number of years >>> later some dim bulb in the government, sent the mess to the dump, about >>> 1938. Only a few fragmented counties remain, and they are available if >>> you are so lucky to have ancestors who lived in those places. >>> >>> As to the 2010 census, again my understanding is that only a sampling of >>> households will be sent the full form with the type of questions, the >>> answers to which are useful to genealogists. The rest of us will get >>> short forms that only address the statistics they are looking for. >>> >>> I personally think this is a great rip off of the American people by >>> more dim bulb bureaucrats. My inclination is not to respond. If people >>> who object to the shoddy job that is planned, boycott the census, they >>> may have to rethink what they are doing. >>> >>> Marleen Van Horne >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:59:07 -0800 >> From: "Julia Molitz" <jmolitz@cox.net> >> Subject: [TNLINCOL] 1890,1930 & 2010 Census >> To: "TNLINCOL" <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <CEAB420998DB422DA9F55BA760527302@Julia> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> List members, >> >> Let us not forget what the census is for. It is not for genealogy or >> knowing how many TV's or bathrooms one has. It is to determine the >> district lines for Congressmen to represent that district or how many >> Congressmen a state must have. There are districts that change in 10 >> years. There may be more or less people living in an individual district >> therefore lines may be redrawn. Or there may be more or less people in a >> state, so the state may lose or gain a Congressman. By not answering the >> 2010 census could throw off the count and one may not wish for their >> district to be incorporated with another or lose a Congressman. >> >> This is the reason I believe that the 2010 census should be kept on micro >> film. It would be a paper trail that would show if fraud was used to >> over >> count or under count. Using the census for genealogy is like icing on a >> cake. A wonderful side benefit for us. >> >> Census records are released to the public ever 12 years. The 1930 census >> is complete & on line at several genealogy sites for a cost. The 1890 >> census is the one that is incomplete. The 1900 & 1910 census are damaged >> on some pages. >> >> The way to try to get the 2010 census on microfilm is to contact your >> Senator and Congressman using genealogy only as a side talking point. If >> you do not fill out the form & mail it in a census worker will come to >> your house. I am going to make a copy of my filled out & signed census >> form for a paper trail. I may be the only one :-( >> >> One thing may happen. The Mormon Church may step in to microfilm the >> census, if they can. If they pay to do so I am sure there will be more >> than one Congressman who will be happy to get in on that deal. >> >> Julia >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:49:49 -0600 >> From: "Sam Jobe" <SamsRoots@bellsouth.net> >> Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] 1890,1930 & 2010 Census >> To: <tnlincol@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <007a01cab978$5aab4bb0$1001e310$@net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> List Members, >> Hopefully with all the interest in Genealogy lately, like the two series >> on >> TV >> Will attract more folks to research their heritage and strengthening our >> voice on issues >> Like this. Just my opinion. >> Thanks for listening, >> Sam Jobe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:tnlincol-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Julia Molitz >> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:59 PM >> To: TNLINCOL >> Subject: [TNLINCOL] 1890,1930 & 2010 Census >> >> List members, >> >> Let us not forget what the census is for. It is not for genealogy or >> knowing how many TV's or bathrooms one has. It is to determine the >> district >> lines for Congressmen to represent that district or how many Congressmen >> a >> state must have. There are districts that change in 10 years. There may >> be >> more or less people living in an individual district therefore lines may >> be >> redrawn. Or there may be more or less people in a state, so the state >> may >> lose or gain a Congressman. By not answering the 2010 census could throw >> off the count and one may not wish for their district to be incorporated >> with another or lose a Congressman. >> >> This is the reason I believe that the 2010 census should be kept on micro >> film. It would be a paper trail that would show if fraud was used to >> over >> count or under count. Using the census for genealogy is like icing on a >> cake. A wonderful side benefit for us. >> >> Census records are released to the public ever 12 years. The 1930 census >> is >> complete & on line at several genealogy sites for a cost. The 1890 >> census >> is the one that is incomplete. The 1900 & 1910 census are damaged on >> some >> pages. >> >> The way to try to get the 2010 census on microfilm is to contact your >> Senator and Congressman using genealogy only as a side talking point. If >> you do not fill out the form & mail it in a census worker will come to >> your >> house. I am going to make a copy of my filled out & signed census form >> for >> a paper trail. I may be the only one :-( >> >> One thing may happen. The Mormon Church may step in to microfilm the >> census, if they can. If they pay to do so I am sure there will be more >> than >> one Congressman who will be happy to get in on that deal. >> >> Julia >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the TNLINCOL list administrator, send an email to >> TNLINCOL-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the TNLINCOL mailing list, send an email to >> TNLINCOL@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of TNLINCOL Digest, Vol 5, Issue 21 >> *************************************** >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:26:31 -0800 (PST) > From: Melissa Hogan <genealogistinal@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [TNLINCOL] 2010 census > To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <212302.60132.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > If does not appear that things are as dire as presented in the original > post. Take a look at Eastman's blog posting AND the responses with > discussion and links to other articles with more detail underneath. This > is nothing new... what would be surprising is if they did keep the > original responses by "the people". Remember folks, what we view today > are not forms our ancestors completed, but a compilation by the census > taker... and who know which copy he made (state, federal or county) that > we are actually seeing. > > http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/02/2010-census-no-images-to-be-preserved.html > > Melissa > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 21:41:17 +0000 (UTC) > From: richerson52@comcast.net > Subject: [TNLINCOL] two cents from a former census taker > To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <1809353737.9206881267479677080.JavaMail.root@sz0126a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > As a 1980 door-to-door census taker,* let me urge everyone to fill in your > own census and mail it in! That will save our government (us) the money > that would otherwise have to be paid to census takers, who will go to an > address up to three times! Participation is required by law. > > > Older censuses did not have forms to mail in; information was collected by > door-to-door enumerators. On the very old forms I think we are seeing the > actual collected info. If the list is alphabetical, then of course no. > > > Imagine: > 1. miles between houses out in the country. The enumerator arrives and > only a 12-yr-old boy is at home. Ask him or come back? That's why I > question ANY old person's age if it ends in a zero or 5---sounds like > estimating. > > > 2. given dental care in the old days (many people toothless from middle > age on), literacy, and accents, the enumerator spelled names as best as he > could. Our Barrons became Barnes..... > > > 3. same for birthplaces. I doubt that my children could correctly give the > birthplaces of their grandparents. > > > Censuses are essential for accurate representation in Congress and local > government. As genealogy tools, they are a wonderful.......clue!!! Not a > guaranteed fact. > > > * (As a census-taker, I faced menacing dogs, strange entryways with > snakeskins on the floor, and a "hypnotist" who wanted me as his > "assistant"! Mail in your census!!!) > > > Phyllis > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the TNLINCOL list administrator, send an email to > TNLINCOL-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the TNLINCOL mailing list, send an email to > TNLINCOL@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of TNLINCOL Digest, Vol 5, Issue 22 > ***************************************

I agree with making a copy of your completed census form for your own records, if for no other reason. I failed to do that last census, but it makes good sense. Most people look a the census as a govt intrusion on our privacy and are suspicious as to how the information is used. However, it's purpose really is to determine population and the need for representation. > From: jmolitz@cox.net > To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:59:07 -0800 > Subject: [TNLINCOL] 1890,1930 & 2010 Census > > List members, > > Let us not forget what the census is for. It is not for genealogy or knowing how many TV's or bathrooms one has. It is to determine the district lines for Congressmen to represent that district or how many Congressmen a state must have. There are districts that change in 10 years. There may be more or less people living in an individual district therefore lines may be redrawn. Or there may be more or less people in a state, so the state may lose or gain a Congressman. By not answering the 2010 census could throw off the count and one may not wish for their district to be incorporated with another or lose a Congressman. > > This is the reason I believe that the 2010 census should be kept on micro film. It would be a paper trail that would show if fraud was used to over count or under count. Using the census for genealogy is like icing on a cake. A wonderful side benefit for us. > > Census records are released to the public ever 12 years. The 1930 census is complete & on line at several genealogy sites for a cost. The 1890 census is the one that is incomplete. The 1900 & 1910 census are damaged on some pages. > > The way to try to get the 2010 census on microfilm is to contact your Senator and Congressman using genealogy only as a side talking point. If you do not fill out the form & mail it in a census worker will come to your house. I am going to make a copy of my filled out & signed census form for a paper trail. I may be the only one :-( > > One thing may happen. The Mormon Church may step in to microfilm the census, if they can. If they pay to do so I am sure there will be more than one Congressman who will be happy to get in on that deal. > > Julia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/

Being an enumerator is scary business, huh? > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 21:41:17 +0000 > From: richerson52@comcast.net > To: tnlincol@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TNLINCOL] two cents from a former census taker > > As a 1980 door-to-door census taker,* let me urge everyone to fill in your own census and mail it in! That will save our government (us) the money that would otherwise have to be paid to census takers, who will go to an address up to three times! Participation is required by law. > > > Older censuses did not have forms to mail in; information was collected by door-to-door enumerators. On the very old forms I think we are seeing the actual collected info. If the list is alphabetical, then of course no. > > > Imagine: > 1. miles between houses out in the country. The enumerator arrives and only a 12-yr-old boy is at home. Ask him or come back? That's why I question ANY old person's age if it ends in a zero or 5---sounds like estimating. > > > 2. given dental care in the old days (many people toothless from middle age on), literacy, and accents, the enumerator spelled names as best as he could. Our Barrons became Barnes..... > > > 3. same for birthplaces. I doubt that my children could correctly give the birthplaces of their grandparents. > > > Censuses are essential for accurate representation in Congress and local government. As genealogy tools, they are a wonderful.......clue!!! Not a guaranteed fact. > > > * (As a census-taker, I faced menacing dogs, strange entryways with snakeskins on the floor, and a "hypnotist" who wanted me as his "assistant"! Mail in your census!!!) > > > Phyllis > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNLINCOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/