Hello! Can anyone tell us about the availability of the LCT Heritage book? Thanks!

Hi List, I am after info on the family of Crawford Carter. I am especially interested in his wife Mourning. Anyone have any ideas of who her parents are? I have wondered if she might possibly be the dau of Willis Warren who died ca. 1832. There is only two reasons I think this, one being that Crawford winds up getting some of Willis' lands for 1 cent, he gets these from G. W. Payne (wife Elizabeth) and William Warren, who I feel certain belong to Willis. Crawford also has a son Willis. I am wondering if anyone knows where Crawford Carter came from, and if any Carters out there have run across anything connecting them to the Warrens. You can email me privatelly if you want: [email protected] Thanks Cindy

Thank you Nita

Sorry Larry - James Forrester Parrett was my greatgrandfather - Just got too exciited. Doris

Larry - Will small miracles never cease!! My grandfather's name was James FORRESTER Parrett and I've searched Lincoln Co. forever trying to find a connection. Could he be in your line? Thank you for your information. Doris

Doris, The coordinator for the surname will guide you on that. Many DNA participants are listed under variations of the surname. No problem. Nita In a message dated 6/19/2006 6:11:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello - Question please.....If your ggrandfather, who is the earliest ancestor you know about, spells his name one way, two of his sons spell it like his and two other sons spell it differently, which name do you submit to DNA? My father spelled his exactly like his father, but we have never known exactly which one is correct. Our name is spelled like the name his wife used to apply for her pension and the spelling he used to enlist in the civil war (though his discharge was spelled differently). Thank you for your assistance. Doris

Hello - Question please.....If your ggrandfather, who is the earliest ancestor you know about, spells his name one way, two of his sons spell it like his and two other sons spell it differently, which name do you submit to DNA? My father spelled his exactly like his father, but we have never known exactly which one is correct. Our name is spelled like the name his wife used to apply for her pension and the spelling he used to enlist in the civil war (though his discharge was spelled differently). Thank you for your assistance. Doris

Back to 1793 it is being spelled "Foster" but about that time one census taker spelled it "Forster." Either we have a name in transition or a poor speller. Originally, those from England, were the "Foresters" protecting the King's forests. If he is in my line, I don't know it yet. Best wishes. Larry On Jun 19, 2006, at 6:34 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Larry - Will small miracles never cease!! My grandfather's name was > James > FORRESTER Parrett and I've searched Lincoln Co. forever trying to find > a > connection. Could he be in your line? Thank you for your information. > > Doris > > > ==== TNLINCOL Mailing List ==== > The best index to Internet Genealogy is Cyndi's list > http://www.cyndislist.com/ > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. > Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx? > sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

I am searching a Drury Smith.. had daughter Rhoda Smith.. born 1829 in TN... we think Lincoln Co... She married a David C. Boon(e) in Marshall Co. Ala. in 1846 then moved on to Missouri in the boot heel.. Would love to find a Smith Connection as we have NO Smith males.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Gary" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [LCT] DNA Dilemia > Mark and Sherry, I note you are searching SMITH in Middle Tennessee. > > Any data on Clementine G. Smith born in TN about 1816; married James B. > Harris born middle TN 1809. They married 1835 in Madison Co. AL? I > believe Clementine had a sister Jane B who married Samuel Harris. It is > possible the Harris men are kin. > Samuel was born in KY 1894; and a Martha Penderhart/Pendergrass is > mentioned in association with James B. Harris. She was born either 1896 > or 1818 in KY. > > A John Smith witnessed a deed for James B. and Clementine G. Harris in > Benton County, Al 27 Mar 1845. Also James P. Spring was a witness who > could be John Smith's father-in-law. > > Any data appreciated. > Ann Gary > > ==== TNLINCOL Mailing List ==== > To search the list archives: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl then enter TNLINCOL > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Mark and Sherry, I note you are searching SMITH in Middle Tennessee. Any data on Clementine G. Smith born in TN about 1816; married James B. Harris born middle TN 1809. They married 1835 in Madison Co. AL? I believe Clementine had a sister Jane B who married Samuel Harris. It is possible the Harris men are kin. Samuel was born in KY 1894; and a Martha Penderhart/Pendergrass is mentioned in association with James B. Harris. She was born either 1896 or 1818 in KY. A John Smith witnessed a deed for James B. and Clementine G. Harris in Benton County, Al 27 Mar 1845. Also James P. Spring was a witness who could be John Smith's father-in-law. Any data appreciated. Ann Gary

Hi Doris, My FOSTER-DNA Project - Genealogy Research on Foster / Forster / Forrester / Forester /Foerster / Forestier / Forister / Forrister / Vorster / Voster Go to familytreedna.com to see the names they include and the variations included. Then submit your names - all of them. Larry Foster Solvang, CA On a Heritage Vacation in Savannah, TN Jun 19, 2006, at 4:11 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Hello - Question please.....If your ggrandfather, who is the earliest > ancestor you know about, spells his name one way, two of his sons > spell it like his > and two other sons spell it differently, which name do you submit to > DNA? My > father spelled his exactly like his father, but we have never known > exactly > which one is correct. Our name is spelled like the name his wife used > to apply > for her pension and the spelling he used to enlist in the civil war > (though his > discharge was spelled differently). > > Thank you for your assistance. > > Doris > > > ==== TNLINCOL Mailing List ==== > Visit the LCT GenConnect system at: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/rw/ > localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.lincoln > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Tammie, Feel free to call me about the DNA testing. I am a surname project administrator, and this is exactly what I have done with my mom' brother and his DNA. I have proved his connection to another surname. (865) 607-9437. Jesus is my rock! If you would like to know him also, visit: http://www.godssimpleplan.org/gsps.html Visit my webpage! http://www.sorrellsgenealogy.com Middle TN Cousins visit: http://www.chestnutridgecousins.org Our hobby: http://www.indiancreekproductions.com Searching East TN families: ALEXANDER,ANDERSON,BRADBURN,BROOKS,BUIE,CLARK,CLAIBORNE, COLEMAN,CRONDAS,DICKSON,ELLEDGE,EVANS,FARMER,HODGE/S, INGLE,JAMES,LINN,LORD,McGHOILL,McINTIRE,McLEAN,MORECROFT, PAINE/PAYNE,RANDLES,RHODES,SANDRIDGE,TEAGUE,and THURMAN Searching Middle TN families: ALEXANDER,ALLEN,ANDERSON,BLALOCK,BOURLAND,BRENTS,BROWNE, BURNES,CLAYTON,CONNALY,CONWELL,CORDING,COX,CREIGHTON, CRITTENDEN,DAVIDSON,DAWSON,DEAL,FREEMAN,GALLAGHER, GILBERT,GLIDEWELL,GRAHAM,HARRELL,HAWKINS,HAYES,HILL, HOLLAND,KING,LAMBERT,LANDIN,LISTON,MARSH,MAXWELL, McADAMS,McCANDLESS,McKNITT,McWHORTER,MEALER,MILLINGTON, NASH,REDD,REESE,ROBERTS,RUSSELL,RYALLS,SCOTT,SIMPSON, SMITH,SORRELL/S,TOLLY,TRENT,WAGSTER,WALLACE, WHITE,WHITLOW,WHITSETT,and WILSON

As long as we're discussing DNA---- Announcing a Y-DNA project for the surname of Lewter (also spelled Luter). The Lewters settled in Lincoln and Giles counties in the 1830's. There are still plenty of male Lewters running around in these counties today!!! If you know one, please let him know about this project! To Join: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp? code=V22419&special=true To read about the project & results: http://www.familytreedna.com/ (mxjtu1z0ytu4yx2pd0tsg345)/public/lewter/index.aspx Susan

Hi, Tammie and anyone else wondering about these questions. This is not very scientific and is long, but I hope it is helpful for those in Tammie's situation and perhaps answer a few other questions along the way - if not - e-mail me. This e-mail on pertains to the Y DNA project for surname males. Females can't do this project. Tammie, you are in the same boat as my husband. First to tell you as a group what we did. Husband Bill was adopted but eventually found his grandmother was a Looney so we decided there couldn't be too many of them (wrong - must be millions) so dug in and searched like mad for years to get through a brick wall. Never did. I had been telling that group for years - that couple never had children live to adulthood. During the research we found a male Looney that connected at the same place as Bill's ancestor so we asked him to be our Looney surrogate and we paid the fee. Big surprise - Donor might have had a common Looney ancestor about 50,000 years ago, then again, probably not. So we have been scouting the DNA surnames for a match and he must have been dropped here by aliens as there is not a single family DNA project that he matches with beyond the first 12 markers and that really only tells you where the ancestor originated - Scandinavia area, in his case. A Viking invader. A second Looney participant from another line off the original immigrant also fell out and while researching the project, I found he could be related to another surname. He only a match with one person at 25 markers with 1 mismatch, which is very good. Amazing. He probably has a number of 12 marker matches that I couldn't access but only 12 markers is not helpful. He needs to contact the individual he matched at 25 markers to see if they have a location in common since the names didn't match. Perhaps he will be able to find the time and place his ancestor Looney crossed paths with the other surname. Both of these guys are just hanging out there - orphans, this Looney said. He was so devastated, he had the test run 2 additional times by other companies. (50 years combined with father's research and now he doesn't know where the DNA break is.) Now the second item will be of interest to you, Tammie. Husband Bill has same general problem. Bill had already had the first 12 markers done by National Geo. Genographics/IBM ancestral tracking project. FTDNA did those tests so he was able to transfer his 12 markers to the FTDNA project and we entered him into what we thought was his father's surname project. They were happy to have him - especially since he matched on those 12 to another participant who didn't match anyone else in the surname project so Bill and this one are probably related but we will only be able to be certain when Bill's 13-37 marker test returns and then we may find they will fall out of this surname group and into another surname. Now the plot thickens: There is a DNA site sponsored by FTDNA where most of the surnames can be located and compared. The comparison could pick up a variety of names, not necessarily your surname. When I posted Bill's 12 makers into the system, his came back with a high number of the surname "Prince" which was not his birth father's name - Pate. I then went to Genweb and Rootsweb looking for hints on Bill's birth father's family and ran across an 1804 will stating that this gentleman's daughter's son was to get 10 pounds from her share. One of the deceased's sons was to get the property purchased from Nicholas Prince. Ah Ha - Bought the property to get rid of the grandchild's father??? Time may tell. Later I looked up the name of the grandchild and found that after he married and had children, he was noted to have wife, children and mother with the original surname, Pate, no birth father noted. So apparently this grandchild was born out of wedlock and his descendents would no longer carry the Pate genes but the males would continue to carry the Pate surname until no more male Pates in this particular line. Once a female of any surname has a male child, the child will then carry its father's DNA and the female's father's line is lost even if the child' descendents continue to carry the original surname forever. This would not be the case if the female married a same surname cousin, uncle, nephew, etc., as their genes would then be passed on, unless there was a prior "event" casting them out of the surname, also. Therefore, females, marrying, or other "event", outside the surname would change the male DNA gene chain to the new surname. Therefore; the Y DNA changes every time a female marries, mate, etc. The male remains pure so long as there is not an unexpected event - adoption, affair, out-of-wedlock, taking the name of a step-father, etc. Muddies the DNA gene pool. There are occasional mutations but they are usually inconsequential if within the surname and only one or two over the 37 markers is considered a good match. Bottom line, Tammie, you might find your gg grandfather's parentage within some certainty unless your father has the same problem the two Looneys above had - not matching anyone beyond 12 markers. I would certainly encourage your father to do the test. It might open up a whole new research direction for you. Eventually, even those above will find compatible markers but more surname males need to get involved. If someone is going to do the DNA project, you need at least the 37 marker test to really confirm a relationship. If you can't afford the entire fee, get some other researcher of the line to help with the expenses. FTDNA can give advice on this, if needed, or the coordinator of the surname. Everyone thoroughly confused? Welcome to the club. :) Great fun and we thought going to the library and court houses was all we needed to do to find our elusive ancestors. One other thought - if you can't bear the possibility of finding your ancestor is not "blood" related to the surname you are researching - don't do the test. There was a very good article on one of the sites I visited yesterday making this very comment. One Looney researcher we know has a 1,500 page book ready to publish - we told him "do not do DNA!!!" Have a good day. Nita Fry In a message dated 6/18/2006 1:36:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Everyone- Thanks so much for the many responses to my first post about DNA testing. I have read all of them and also went to the site several of you recommended and did some reading there. Now I am really confused..Guess I should have paid more attention in biology class instead of slipping off to the bandroom:) I am unclear as to whether having my father submit a sample will be of any help to us. I think from the testing website that it could possibly be of some help but then maybe not from some of the posts here. Can anyone help? The scenario is this... My gg grandfather was probably illegitimate. We think he took his mother's surname, Campbell. Thus we are not Campbells through the paternal line but rather the maternal line. If my father is tested, even though we do not know my gg grandfather's father's name, could we possibly find out any information that would help us? Do you have to have a name you are trying to find out about or will they just link your information with whoever it might match? I hope this is making sense. Thanks! Tammie Researching CAMPBELL, SHELTON, LUTTRELL, WEST, KNOX, CRABTREE, ROPER, GATLIN, FOWLER, McCREE etc in Lincoln County TN and Limestone County AL. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ==== TNLINCOL Mailing List ==== Visit the LCT GenConnect system at: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/rw/localities.northam.usa.states.tenne ssee.counties.lincoln ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Hi Everyone- Thanks so much for the many responses to my first post about DNA testing. I have read all of them and also went to the site several of you recommended and did some reading there. Now I am really confused..Guess I should have paid more attention in biology class instead of slipping off to the bandroom:) I am unclear as to whether having my father submit a sample will be of any help to us. I think from the testing website that it could possibly be of some help but then maybe not from some of the posts here. Can anyone help? The scenario is this... My gg grandfather was probably illegitimate. We think he took his mother's surname, Campbell. Thus we are not Campbells through the paternal line but rather the maternal line. If my father is tested, even though we do not know my gg grandfather's father's name, could we possibly find out any information that would help us? Do you have to have a name you are trying to find out about or will they just link your information with whoever it might match? I hope this is making sense. Thanks! Tammie Researching CAMPBELL, SHELTON, LUTTRELL, WEST, KNOX, CRABTREE, ROPER, GATLIN, FOWLER, McCREE etc in Lincoln County TN and Limestone County AL. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

Is anyone researching the Fowlers, specifically the children of John A. Fowler and Bettie A. Marr? I have a picture I think is their son Charlie during WW1, but would like verification. Michaele

I am looking for information on Reese H. Horton, born around 1820. Records from the Civil War (National Archives) indicate that he was born in Lincoln County, Tennessee. He was married to Harriet Covington. They lived in Russellville, Alabama, at the time of the Civil War. I have no record of whether they were married in Lincoln County, TN, or in Franklin County, AL, since that courthouse burned down with it records many years ago. Bettye Horton Bunch

> Julia > I have made a mistake in the spelling mine is Gambill > So sorry > Betty Betty the name was spelled Gambill and Gammill, believe they are all the same family of Bedford and Lincoln CO's. Julia

Are there any marriage records for Lincoln Co. for the period 1810-1820? I am looking for a marriage between James Lamascus and Rhoda Cryer (we think). James Lamascus was listed on the 1820 Lincoln Co. census near what was probably William Cryer but was enumerated as Wm. "Clyer". Any help appreciated. Faye in TX -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date: 6/9/2006

Am looking for the parents of Hiram Carrigan b ca 1813 North Carolins, went first to Madison Co Al where he married Frances Elmina Randolph. By 1859 he and his family had moved to Lincoln Co Tn. where they lived the rest of their lives. He was my GGG Grandfather and I have not been able to trace his line in NC. Any help or clues would be appreciated. Jo Baskerville