At 05:36 PM 25-07-02, you wrote: >My Maguire family lived at 749 North Fourth Ave back in 1899-1900. Do you >know or recall if this might be in the vicinity of this Sterchi School? The two are not close together. In 1899-1900 N Fourth Ave would have been in the city and Sterchi School would have been in an undeveloped part of the county. I believe Sterchi School was built after WWII. I don't recognize the first school you mentioned, but given the time frame and who was eligible to go to UT it was probably some kind of all male prep school. Good Luck, SkunkDML Deborah Ledgerwood DeborahBrent@att.net President Smoky Mountain Romance Writers Knoxville, TN www.SMRW.org

Ann, My Maguire family lived at 749 North Fourth Ave back in 1899-1900. Do you know or recall if this might be in the vicinity of this Sterchi School? It could be that the info from the University references this school and that I was unable to read it very well. Thanks, Elizabeth Fairport, New York

At 02:34 PM 25-07-02, you wrote: >As mentioned previously, the hospital is now called Lakeshore Mental Health >Institute. It is in the same buildings, same location as before. At one time it was called Lyons View and on some records I have seen it called the Insane Asylum. BTW, the grounds are beautiful as it sits right on the TN River. SkunkDML Deborah Ledgerwood DeborahBrent@att.net President Smoky Mountain Romance Writers Knoxville, TN www.SMRW.org

Ann, do you know when the school first opened? ----- Original Message ----- From: "amc" <chory@earthlink.net> To: <TNKNOX-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:57 AM Subject: [TN-KNOX] Re: Sterchi School > I attended Sterchi Elementary School, grades 1-8, in the 1960s. It's > located off Cedar Lane, between Fountain City and Inskip communities (about > a 15-minute drive from the UT campus). > > Ann > > > on 7/25/02 2:22 PM, Bonnie Chaffin at bchaffin@shannonindustries.com wrote: > > > I know there was an old school in the Knoxville area (actually quite close > > to the university campus) called Sterchi. I'm afraid I don't know anything > > of it's history or the grades taught, but it might be a place to start. > > > ==== TNKNOX Mailing List ==== > KNOX UNSUBSCRIPTION DIRECTIONS > TNKnox-L-request@rootsweb.com UNSUBSCRIBE [in body of message] > TNKnox-D-request@rootsweb.com UNSUBSCRIBE [in body of message] > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I attended Sterchi Elementary School, grades 1-8, in the 1960s. It's located off Cedar Lane, between Fountain City and Inskip communities (about a 15-minute drive from the UT campus). Ann on 7/25/02 2:22 PM, Bonnie Chaffin at bchaffin@shannonindustries.com wrote: > I know there was an old school in the Knoxville area (actually quite close > to the university campus) called Sterchi. I'm afraid I don't know anything > of it's history or the grades taught, but it might be a place to start.

Hi list, could someone help me with the following question about Sworn Chain Carriers? the following is from a document that we have and then the questions: pg 57 (p. 146-147) No. 1157 John Tabor 10 acres Anderson county Filed 27 May 1815. In pursuance of an entry made by John Tabor of No. 1889. Dated July 15th 1814. Entered on part of a certificate No. 1744. Dated April 29th 1814. Issued by David McGavock to Elijah Drake for 10 acres of land. I have surveyed for said John Tabor, 10 acres of land in said county on the waters of the mountain fork of poplar creek...upper line of a fiftenn acre survey where he now lives...Surveyed 19 Jul 1814 by Robert Tunnell, D.S Willial Tabor and John Tabor, S.C.C. (this means sworn chain carrier - most are kin or close neighbors to the one having the survey done). Is it logical, legal, etc. for a person to be a SCC for the survey of a piece of property one is buying? I understood the purpose of the SCC thing was so they could swear to the validity of the claim. Could a person go into court and swear to the measurements of their own claim? I realize using friends and relatives is a prejudiced situation anyway, but I think the purpose is to protect your claim. In that case, you the buyer would use people you trust, etc. The question remains, though. Could or would someone act in that capacity on their own claim. We need to find this out. Wonder if Darlene would clarify that? If a person in deed could not serve in that capacity for their own land purchase, then we have a John Tabor purchasing land and Wm. and another John Tabor serving as SCCs. That would put 3 Tabors together at once. The problem with this is our John O. would only be 11 years old in 1814. Could he perform such a task at that age? Thanks, Sherry _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

You might also look at census records for Knox County during the years that your relative was there. I believe Eastern State is identified and the patients are listed although I don't know if it would have included everyone. As mentioned previously, the hospital is now called Lakeshore Mental Health Institute. It is in the same buildings, same location as before. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: <Appfleurs@cs.com> To: <TNKNOX-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [TN-KNOX] Eastern State Hospital > In a message dated 7/25/02 9:44:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CSM1103@aol.com > writes: > > Eastern State Hospital. Does this hospital still exist? > > > > Carolyn, > > Yes, it does exist, but is now known as Lakeshore Mental Health Institute. > > Contact information: > > Lakeshore Mental Health Institute > 5908 Lyons View Drive > Knoxville, TN 37919 > 865-584-1561 > > > > Elizabeth Maples-Bays, daughter of Marian Louise Grant > > <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/memoriesofmother/">Click here: A Tribute to Marian Louise Grant > > </A>MAPLES, GRANT, WOODY, WILLIAMS, GASS, BEAVER, HOLDER, HOWARD, KING, FOWLER, > BROWNLOW (?), OGLE, BOHANNON, MCMAHAN, BYRD, ROLEN, RUNYAN, HUSKEY, SHOTWELL, > ROBESON, WASHINGTON, BURDINE, ROBINSON, HARRIS, WOLLASTON, PRINGLE, FORSTER, > CRASTER, MITFORD, MUSGRAVE, GREY, BERTRAM, DE MOBRAY, DE PRESSENE, HEPPLE, > GUBIUM, DE BEYLE, SELBY, TYSON...and more to come. > > > ==== TNKNOX Mailing List ==== > SHOULD YOU NEED ANY HELP UNSUBSCRIBING > Contact KNOX County List Administrator > .......<commander@inetone.net......... > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

In a message dated 7/25/02 11:22:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bchaffin@shannonindustries.com writes: > > Anyone else on the list know anything about Sterchi? > There is still an elementary school there. Don't know it's history. Eileen http://www.korrnet.org/kcschool/schools/elementary/sterchi/sterchi.html

I know there was an old school in the Knoxville area (actually quite close to the university campus) called Sterchi. I'm afraid I don't know anything of it's history or the grades taught, but it might be a place to start. Anyone else on the list know anything about Sterchi? Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: <KCANDME103@aol.com> To: <TNKNOX-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:34 AM Subject: [TN-KNOX] "Stereus" School > Hi, > I have received some information on my grandfather while he attended the > University of Tennessee at Knoxville back in 1899-1904. It mentions that his > prior school was something that reads like "Stereus" or "Sterus" School. Is > anyone familiar with this school or type of school? > > He may have moved to the Knoxville area from the Baltimore area as his father > was with the railroad. His records started in the winter semester of 1900. > > Would anyone have any thoughts? > Thanks, > Elizabeth Culhane > Fairport, New York > > > ==== TNKNOX Mailing List ==== > Our KNOX County Mailing List is sponsored by ROOTSWEB > Be sure to visit their site: http://www.rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

In a message dated 7/25/02 9:44:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CSM1103@aol.com writes: > Eastern State Hospital. Does this hospital still exist? > Carolyn, Yes, it does exist, but is now known as Lakeshore Mental Health Institute. Contact information: Lakeshore Mental Health Institute 5908 Lyons View Drive Knoxville, TN 37919 865-584-1561 Elizabeth Maples-Bays, daughter of Marian Louise Grant <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/memoriesofmother/">Click here: A Tribute to Marian Louise Grant </A>MAPLES, GRANT, WOODY, WILLIAMS, GASS, BEAVER, HOLDER, HOWARD, KING, FOWLER, BROWNLOW (?), OGLE, BOHANNON, MCMAHAN, BYRD, ROLEN, RUNYAN, HUSKEY, SHOTWELL, ROBESON, WASHINGTON, BURDINE, ROBINSON, HARRIS, WOLLASTON, PRINGLE, FORSTER, CRASTER, MITFORD, MUSGRAVE, GREY, BERTRAM, DE MOBRAY, DE PRESSENE, HEPPLE, GUBIUM, DE BEYLE, SELBY, TYSON...and more to come.

I am interested in finding out where records can be found regarding patients from Eastern State Hospital. Does this hospital still exist? (I'm in Virginia!!) My biological grandfather was there in 1920, but I have been unable to find any records on his death or burial, so I don't know whether he was there until he died, or if he was eventually released. Thanks for any help or suggestions anyone can provide... Carolyn in Virginia

Hi Sherry! It was standard practice for surveyors to employ whoever they could get as chain-men when conducting surveys. Although requirements vary from state to state, in many instances, County (or District) Surveyors would swear in their chain-men prior to conducting the survey. It was more or less the equivalent of a sheriff deputizing men for a posse. Generally, they were sworn to make careful and accurate measurements, and to record the same. While the surveyor was responsible for the overall accuracy of the survey, sworn chain-men also served as witnesses to the process of conducting the survey and could attest to how it had been done. When I carried a range pole (I was called a 'flag-man.') in the late 1950's for my granddad, Ernest Roberts, County Surveyor of Fulton County, Arkansas for many years, he regularly swore in me and his chain-men before each survey. If there was no dispute involved, it was quite common for the land owners concerned, their relations or employees to act as chain-men as a way of reducing the cost of the survey. In addition, they virtually always provided one or more men to cut brush, and clear away a line of sight for the instrument. As you suggest, in cases of dispute, this practice could raise questions about the survey. Whenever my granddad was aware of such problems, he always employed chain-men who were not involved in the matter as a simple precaution. Modern distance measuring surveying equipment has largely reduced the need for chain-men. Most modern surveyors employ microwave or laser-beam distance measuring equipment that is far more accurate and that doesn't require the service of chain-men at all. Instead of the party of surveyor, flag or range pole man, two or more chain-men and a crew to cut brush and clear a line of sight, the typical modern survey crew consists just two men - the surveyor on the instrument and the flag-man. -- Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 479-634-2086 InterNet: robert@wildweasel.net Web site: http://www.wildweasel.net -----Original Message----- From: sherry mirkovic [mailto:sherrylynn90@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2002 06:15 To: TNKNOX-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TN-KNOX] SCC Hi list, could someone help me with the following question about Sworn Chain Carriers? the following is from a document that we have and then the questions: pg 57 (p. 146-147) No. 1157 John Tabor 10 acres Anderson county Filed 27 May 1815. In pursuance of an entry made by John Tabor of No. 1889. Dated July 15th 1814. Entered on part of a certificate No. 1744. Dated April 29th 1814. Issued by David McGavock to Elijah Drake for 10 acres of land. I have surveyed for said John Tabor, 10 acres of land in said county on the waters of the mountain fork of poplar creek...upper line of a fiftenn acre survey where he now lives...Surveyed 19 Jul 1814 by Robert Tunnell, D.S Willial Tabor and John Tabor, S.C.C. (this means sworn chain carrier - most are kin or close neighbors to the one having the survey done). Is it logical, legal, etc. for a person to be a SCC for the survey of a piece of property one is buying? I understood the purpose of the SCC thing was so they could swear to the validity of the claim. Could a person go into court and swear to the measurements of their own claim? I realize using friends and relatives is a prejudiced situation anyway, but I think the purpose is to protect your claim. In that case, you the buyer would use people you trust, etc. The question remains, though. Could or would someone act in that capacity on their own claim. We need to find this out. Wonder if Darlene would clarify that? If a person in deed could not serve in that capacity for their own land purchase, then we have a John Tabor purchasing land and Wm. and another John Tabor serving as SCCs. That would put 3 Tabors together at once. The problem with this is our John O. would only be 11 years old in 1814. Could he perform such a task at that age? Thanks, Sherry _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ==== TNKNOX Mailing List ==== NEW KNOX County LIST MEMBERS are encouraged to submit your queries at any time. Address TNKnox-L@rootsweb.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi, I have received some information on my grandfather while he attended the University of Tennessee at Knoxville back in 1899-1904. It mentions that his prior school was something that reads like "Stereus" or "Sterus" School. Is anyone familiar with this school or type of school? He may have moved to the Knoxville area from the Baltimore area as his father was with the railroad. His records started in the winter semester of 1900. Would anyone have any thoughts? Thanks, Elizabeth Culhane Fairport, New York

Hi Conniesue, The links are below. If the Courier Press link to the article doesn't work, I included exactly how I got there. The article would be in the edition of the Courier Press of July 16 not July 24. Let me know how you make out. If this doesn't work I'll copy and paste the entire article......never mind, just in case, I've done it anyway!<g> Linda Bee Citizen Press - the article is dated July 16, 2002 and is under "Local News". http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=4757363&BRD=2040&PAG=461&dept_id=23222 8&rfi=6 This is the site I got the link from History News Network http://hnn.us/ The link to the Courier Press article on burial customs in TN is about 1/5 of the way down the page History News Network http://hnn.us/articles/819.html 19th Century Burial Customs Explored The recent excavation and relocation of more than three dozen bodies from a cemetery has sparked interest regarding burial customs in 19th century Giles County, Tennessee. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=4757363&BRD=2040&PAG=461&dept_id=23222 8&rfi=6 19th century burial customs explored By: CLAUDIA JOHNSON, Staff Writer July 16, 2002  J
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$  The metal burial cases, which began to be used in Giles County in the 1850s, redefined the terminology of dead body containers away from the harsh connotations of "coffins." The recent excavation and relocation of more than three dozen bodies from the Mason Cemetery in the new industrial park has sparked interest regarding burial customs in 19th century Giles County. In the early days of the county before undertaking became a business, coffins were made by carpenters and usually cost $1.50 a piece, the price for the man's work, according to Tom Carden in his 1904 articles on the history of the Pisgah community. A winding sheet and veil were the furnishings for the corpse. Initially, Giles County undertakers were also furniture makers who advertised custom coffins and hearse services in local newspapers. Pulaski furniture maker C.W. Cofer advertised in the Feb. 21, 1850, edition of a local newspaper, The Western Standard, that coffins "will be made either fine or plain according to order on reasonable terms." Cofer assured "those who patronize him" that he had "a fine hearse" and would be "well prepared at all times to attend burials at the shortest notice possible." Frazier and Lytle purchased Cofer's furniture company in 1852 and continued to operate the business on the south side of Madison Street, a few doors from the southwest corner of the public square. They advertised custom made coffins and use of a hearse in the Oct. 20, 1852, Democrat. Carden noted that in 1854 there was an epidemic of dysentery, called brown flux, which killed people by the score, ofttimes almost exterminating large families. The historian told of the Sept. 2, 1854, death of Pisgah land owner Charles Pitts who was buried in a metallic coffin. "I think it was the first coffin of that kind ever seen at this place," Carden remarked. "It was the shape of a man and was copper lined and was very heavy. It is said to have looked very frightful." The Nov. 19, 1858, The Pulaski Citizen advertised the new furniture firm of Frazier and Mitchell, which had "the exclusive right to sell Crane's world-renowned patent metallic burial casket in Giles County." Customers could choose from a selection "from fine to plain." By April 15, 1859, the firm's advertisement in The Citizen identified the business as "dealers in furniture and chairs and undertakers." Wood coffins, both fine and plain, were "still made at short notice." A hearse and horses were furnished free, and metallic burial caskets "of all sizes from infant's to a grown person's" were available. "To all who have seen these caskets, they need no recommendation from us," noted the advertisement. James Mason, son of early settlers Isaac and Nancy Mason, died in December 1859 and was buried in the Mason Cemetery in a fancy metallic case with a glass viewing panel. When archeologists working in the cemetery discovered the casket, the glass panel had collapsed against the body, preserving some of the blue suit in which he was buried. His brother, Albert, a Civil War solider, died in January 1865 and was buried in a very plain metal case, which archeologists unearthed. Several more of the cases were found during the removal of bodies from the Mason Cemetery, including one fancy case molded to appear shroud-draped. All but one of the caskets had cracked or broken. In the summer of 1859 a competitor in the furniture and funeral business, John J. Ducker, promised that "all orders for coffins will be promptly and speedily filled at any hour of the day or night and delivered to any part of the county at any specified hour" from his shop on the west side of the square. "He has purchased a beautiful hearse, which, together with a pair of gentle and reliable horses and a careful driver, are at the command of all who patronize him in the undertaking business," he promised, adding, "A share of the public patronage is most respectfully solicited." In June 8, 1860, Pulaski Citizen, A.L.& W.A. Crow announced that their stone cutting business on Third Main Street, south, would take "country produce, promissory notes or in pinch, cash" in exchange for anything in their line. Work would also be given "in liquidation of any just debt." In the same Citizen issue George W. Woodring advertised a "fine assortment of monuments made of the finest statuary and Italian marble, and purchased in such a manner as to enable him to furnish them a great deal cheaper than they have ever been bought in this market before." He also promoted stone cutting, monuments and tombs of every description available at his stone yard on Second Main Street near the square "at cash prices for horses, mules or pork." At the onset of the Civil War, Frazier and Mitchell advertised that they were the "only house in the county" that kept Crane's Metallic Caskets. Two-and-one-half half years after the Civil War ended, Sam C. Mitchell & Co., was advertising metallic and wood coffins, a "splendid hearse" and Mitchell's undertaking services with "terms: cash." While the style and expense of coffins had varied according to wealth even in colonial times, the 19th century witnessed a sustained era of coffin improvements. With the basic idea of storing a dead body within a closed container fairly well established, the improvements in the mid-19th century aimed at a more protective and aesthetic device. The metal burial cases advertised in Pulaski in the 1850s had debuted in Providence, R.I., in the late 1840s. Cincinnati, Ohio, stove- and hollowware manufacturers Crane, Breed & Co. purchased the Fisk Metallic Burial Case Company in 1853 and quickly began large-scale production. These metal "cases" redefined the terminology of dead body containers away from the harsh connotations of "coffins." The mummy-shaped cases had luxurious silk lining materials, glass viewing windows for the face or the entire corpse and individualized nameplates and varied in length from 22 inches to six-and-one-half feet. They were advertised as "thoroughly enamelled inside and out" and purported to be "impervious to air and indestructible." When properly secured with cement, Fisk's metallic cases were purported to be "perfectly air tight and free from exhalation of offensive gases." The cases were advertised in large northern cities as "preserving in the most secure and appropriate manner, the remains of the dead from sudden decay, from water, from vermin and from the ravages of the [sic] dissecting knife," drawing attention to the concern that grave robbers would remove bodies for study in medical schools, a common problem in the mid-19th century. For more information on the Mason Cemetery relocation and period burial customs, the public is invited to attend the July 28 meeting of the Giles County Historical Society at 2 p.m. in the First National Bank community room, where Dan Allen, archeologist in charge of the Mason Cemetery project, will speak. Editor's Note: Pulaski Publishing thanks genealogical researcher and author Frank Tate, George Newman of the Giles County Historical Society, and Clara Parker and Elizabeth White of the Giles County Old Records Department for assistance with research, which utilized Giles County newspapers from the 19th century, early published local histories, genealogical records and old maps. ©Citizen Press 2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02

Okay here's the deal: http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=4757363&BRD=2040&PAG=461&dept_id=23222 8&rfi=8 Click on this. At the very bottom of the page there is a place to click. click on that. It will bring up the newspaper. Enth "19th Century" without the quotes in the searchbox. It will bring up the article to click on. Sorry about the confusion. I can only figure that it went into the Archives after I got the URL. Do it quick! They may not keep it for long! Conniesue --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02

Married Catherine Peck in l793 in Montgomery Co VA and lived in Knox Co before l802. In l802 he was in Anderson Co and this seemed to be a County boundary change rather than a move. I need his exact birth date to compare with someone with a similar name. Is anyone familiar with ANY records in Knox Co from the Origin to l802 that might show someones birth date?? He seems to be the same person as Johannes Wilhelm Siebert born Feb l791. William Severs seems to have thought he was born l752 (day and month not known). IF he were the same person I suspect he was confused by the Calender Change in "The Colonies" in l752. The German was born under the NEW Calender but I am not sure about William Severs. Charles Severs

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