>Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:28:41 -0700 (PDT) >X-Sender: DLSNOW@postoffice.worldnet.att.net >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 >Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:23:41 -0700 >Old-To: TNHENRY-L@rootsweb.com, DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >From: "David L. Snow" <DLSNOW@worldnet.att.net> >Subject: Re: Lashlee, OLIVE & Williams >To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/7639 >X-Loop: DanvilleCrossing-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-Sender: DanvilleCrossing-L-request@rootsweb.com > >Pat, > >The OLIVE - Williams connection in Henry Co. is very mis-understood. Most >early Williams researchers apparently didn't research very well, ignored or >didn't understand the 'public record' data concerning Martha & Nancy >Olives' relationship with the Williams families with whom they lived. >Compounding the problem, is the confusing data concerning the origins of >both the William M. Williams and John Leonard Williams families in Henry >Co., though it is obvious that the 2 families are related. I have included >below some excerpts from the 'public records' to demonstrate the problem. > >Nancy OLIVE Williams is my wife's 2g-grandmother as well as her 3g-aunt. >This wierd relationship developed as a result (detailed below) of the heavy >inter-marrying of the descendants of both the William M. Williams and John >Leonard Williams families amongst each other and the Wimberley families. > >I have not yet determined the exact relationship between Martha & Nancy >Olive, or how they came to be in the different Williams households. I need >yet to review the Court Minutes of Henry Co. to be sure, but suspect that >Martha & Nancy were orphaned and subsequently 'welfared' to the respective >Williams families under the Orphan & Pauper laws of the County. > >One of the Goodspeed references gives the following: > >"In the fifteenth District {of Henry Co.} the most prominent and earliest >families to settle were the Williams, the Arnolds, the Olivers, and the >Tiptons, this last family has been mentioned earlier in our history. > >"William M. Williams, a substantial farmer and his wife Nancy, had a family >of small children in 1850. Living with them was Martha OLIVE age 17 a >native of Tennessee. {the TN reference is different than your Kentucky} > > >"John H. Williams, Jr., age 25, a native of Mississippi was residing here >also. His wife Elizabeth age 22 was also born in Mississippi, and they had >a family of young children. Living with them was Nancy OLIVE. > >"Frequently the name Oliver and OLIVE are confused. It seems quite likely >that both families were represented in Henry County some time before 1850. >A detailed study of these two names may prove that they descend from a >common ancestor: however, what I have at this time is clearly definites one >as Olive and the other as Oliver. The two above mentioned Nancy and Martha >are definitely shown as OLIVE......." > >The 1850 Census clearly shows this difference also. > >The following is a listing of the John Leonard WILLIAMS Family of >Henry Co, TN. As you review the chart you notice that John Henry Williams' >son married William M. Williams youngest daughter. Additionally, you will >notice that William M. Williams' name is quite prevalent among John Henry's >descendants. Also, please notice that Nancy OLIVE Williams named her 1st >daughter, Martha Olive Shelly Wimberly, after Martha OLIVE. > >I would appreciate sharing any information you may be able to provide >concerning the origins of the OLIVEs. Current Williams researchers, >including my father-in-law who volunteers every Wednesday at the Rhea >Library in the Genealogy section, are content to let the "myth" concerning >Martha & Nancy continue, as well as, sorting out the various birthplaces of >Tenneessee, North Carolina, Mississippi, Kentucky, etc. > >Anyway, hope this helps & let me know, > >Dave > >BTW: I believe William M. Williams middle name is Monroe. >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >1. John Leonard WILLIAMS b. c1796 NC > sp: Unknown b. c1802 > They had 6 known children, 3 boys & 3 girls, of > which I have only accounted for the eldest. > 2. John Henry WILLIAMS (Jr?) b. c1825 TN or MS, d.1886 > sp: Elizabeth LEE b.c1828 TN or MS, m.1845 Henry > Co.TN, d.Unk > (This family lived next-door to the William M. > WILLIAMS family.) > 3. James M. WILLIAMS b.1844 d.CW@Athens, GA. > 3. John Leonard WILLIAMS (II?) b.1848, d.1932 > sp#1: Sarah E. WILLIAMS b.1851, m.1869, d.1877 > (The youngest daughter of William M. WILLIAMS.) > 4. John Porter WILLIAMS b.1872, d.1960 > sp: Agnes NANCE b.1875, m.1894, d.1942 > 4. Helen WILLIAMS b.1874, d.1912 > 4. William M. WILLIAMS b.1876, d.1942 > sp: Lola WIMBERLY b.1882, m.1903 > sp#2: Margaret Ann WIMBERLY b. c1858, > m.1878, d.1948 > 4. Minnie C. WILLIAMS b.1879, m.1899, d.1966 > sp: James I. SYKES > 4. Julie WILLIAMS b.1882, d.1899 >**(Our direct line)** 4. Bessie WILLIAMS b.1885, m.1903, d.1923 > sp: John Lewis WIMBERLY b.1877, d.1936 > 4. Henry Issac WILLIAMS b.1887, d.1922 > sp: Onie D. SYKES b.1888, m.1907 > 4. Guy WILLIAMS b.1894, d.1911 > 4. Vera WILLIAMS b.1899, m.1918 > sp: Thomas Franklin RICE b.1887, d.1950 > 3. Nancy OLIVE Williams (Adopted into family) > b.1850, m.1869 d.1928 > sp: James Monroe WIMBERLY b.1848, d.1901 > 4. Mary Olive Shelly WIMBERLY b.1870, d.1931 > sp#1: Frank WHITWORTH > sp#2: Miller SYKES > 4. David Green WIMBERLY b.1872 > sp: Annie SHANKLE > > 4. Fanny Elizabeth WIMBERLY b.1874, d.1936 > sp: George WRIGHT > 4. John Lewis WIMBERLY b.1877, d.1936 > sp: Bessie WIMBERLY b.1885, m.1903, d.1923 > 4. Crawford Eugene WIMBERLY b.1879 > 4. Essie WIMBERLY b.1885, m.1902, d.1936 > sp: Rufus SHANKLE > 4. Lola Alice WIMBERLY b.1888, m.1905, d.1969 > sp: John ROBBINS > 4. Annie M. WIMBERLY b.1890, m.1908 > sp: Sip OWENS > 4. Levina WIMBERLY b.1892 > 3. William Buchanan WILLIAMS b.1857, d.1931 > sp#1: Mary Angeline WHITFIELD b.1858, m.1878 > 4. A.E. WILLIAMS b.1879 > 4. R.C. WILLIAMS b.1880 > 4. Rose Levana WILLIAMS b.1882, d.1947 > 4. Richard WILLIAMS b.1884, d.1919 > sp#2: Nancy Ada WILLIAMS b.1865, m.1890, d.1952 > 4. Marie WILLIAMS b.1892, d.1913 > 4. Venie WILLIAMS b.1895, d.1931 > 4. Jackson WILLIAMS b.1903 > 4. Thomas Lee WILLIAMS b.1906 > 3. David WILLIAMS b.1859 > > > > > > >==== DanvilleCrossing Mailing List ==== >Hi Ho! Hi Ho! Now where did my ancestors go ?? >