Joy, Thanks for the info. I have been told there is at least 10 graves at the old Broach Graveyard. James C Broach is my gg granddad's brother. He was the one that owned the old homeplace. So obviously it would most likely be his family graveyard. Supposedly many more Broaches are buried there also (James' parents included). But since I can't find it guess I'll never know. Where is the Shiloh Cemetery in Mansfield that you are talking about? There are my Broaches buried at Shiloh Cemetery in McKenzie, but I was not aware of Shiloh in Mansfield. Is it findable? I would very much like any info that you have on it. The old homeplace of James & Jane was later occupied by James Winsett, a grandson to James & Jane. Does anyone recognize his name? The old graveyard is supposedly about 3/4 mile from where the old house stood..But I can't find any of it..I would really appreciate any help any one could give me.. By the way Peggy, I told my husband of the discussion & he says that a screw driver or a knife would serve your purpose of trying to find the old stones covered over by dirt. I still think the coat hanger was much more creative..Don't you? I guess I was assuming that the stones were down very deep..LOL!! Anyway, I hope you all have as much fun searching for the old cemeteries & your ancestor's tombstones as I do..So far, I have been extremely lucky...But I still can't find my gg granddad yet. I do intend to try the coat hanger method that Mary Louise told me of a while back. My husband thinks I have totally lost my mind, but what else is new. LOL!! Thanks to all of you... Joan Broach Morris

The chalk that I use can be brushed off with my hand. Most of it I blow off before I leave. It most definitely washes off with the 1st rain. In case you haven't noticed, they don't "make" things like they used to. Maybe when I was a kid, if I had chalked a tombstone, it might possibly be there to this day..But get real...In this day & time quality products are not to be found..My granddaughter draws on the concrete 1 day, and practically by that afternoon it has mostly disappeared. I have no intention of doing anything to damage a tombstone. But from my experiences, the most harmful thing I have run across is the person who mows the cemeteries. The lawnmower seems to me to be the "worst enemy" of the tombstone. My dad was a World War II veteran, and he has a plaque at the foot of his grave. Thanks to the lawnmower man, the corner is scraped off & one letter of the inscription is pretty much erased. Obviously the lawn mower just drives over it, and the blades sand it down. Did you find anything online on line saying..DO NOT MOW A TOMBSTONE!! OVER TIME IT WILL EAT AWAY THE EMBOSSED INSCRIPTION!! I don't think my chalk could ever do that kind of damage. It doesn't even stick to paper that long. Peggy, you are right about still not knowing who is in the grave without digging them up..But, when you have a grave & you know almost 100% sure who is buried there, but can't find proof..If the rod did indeed say there was a male buried around the wife's tombstone, then you would hopefully believe it to be her husband. In my case there is no other tombstones close to her. And if it said there was only a female, then I would have to assume that he is not buried with her. I was indeed told that the only way I would ever know for sure would be to dig up the grave & have a DNA test done..but I don't really think I want to disturb her gravesite. She has been there over 100 years, and hopefully she will be there another 100..although her stone is tilting & appears to be getting ready to topple over. I have been trying to find out if I am allowed to try & reset it.. No one seems to know if I can go in with a shovel & start digging..Most assume I would get arrested..If I do nothin! g, it is definitely going to probably fall over & break..I sure don't want that to happen...Oh yeah, glad you got a good laugh out of it..But honestly, there has been so much vandalism of graves around here lately..I try not to hang around them for a very long period of time. Don't want to look too suspicious.. Later...Joan Broach Morris

This is the information as given at our genealogical society meeting on using the divining rod. I've had two people tell me it absolutely works. I've tried it too, and I THINK it works. "You hold the 2 rods (coat hangers that have been un-twisted and straightened will work) out in front of you. They don't touch. When the one in the left hand goes to the left, that means a man is buried there. If the right one goes to the right, that means a woman is buried there. If both turn outward, that means there is a male and female buried together, usually a mother and infant son. I don't know how you tell if it is a mother and an infant daughter." One word of caution. Don't do this in the wind. Mary Louise Outgoing mail checked by Norton AntiVirus

I know that sound crazy but it does work Last spring I was searching for some graves and this Gentleman was helping me using the coat hanger you can tell if it is male or female it is the way you are holding them if it is a female they do not turn for a male they cross Now it is the way you cut the hanger you have one for each hand we tried it all day and several people have tried it it will also locate lost graves Take a heavy coat hanger cut the hanger part off and straighten the rest to a L shape Make two hold one in each hand test on one you know male or female and see what happens If any one lives in the Paris Area I have a pair will be happy to show them how it works Sue

In Inscription in Stone, Henry Co. Cemetery book Broach Cemetery James Broach, 1804-1890 Jane C. Broach 1807-1872 (wife of James) Only two listed and the cemetery is listed right at Mansfield, looks as if it is on land probably not marked. There is Broach family buried at Shiloh Cemetery which is also in Mansfield. Joy Genie wrote: >Here's the cemetery entry from the USGS's GNIS >site: > >Feature Name: Broach Cemetery >Feature Type: cemetery >State: Tennessee >County: Henry >USGS 7.5' x 7.5' Map: Mansfield > 361009N > 0881748W > >It appears to be due south of Paris about 12-13 >mi. > >--- JOAN MORRIS <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>Hello, Speaking of Mansfield...Do any of you >>know where the old Broach Graveyard is in >>Mansfield? There was supposed to be an old home >>place that was over 100 years old there (which >>I have been told burned down). Supposedly the >>family graveyard was close to the old house. I >>have been there looking for it, but so far >>never found it. I can't find listings of the >>Broaches buried there..Does anyone know >>anything about the location of the graveyard or >>the Broaches who are buried there? I would >>appreciate any info anyone might have. >>Supposedly my ggg grandparents George & Jane >>Burch Broach are buried there. >> >>Thanks muchly, >>Joan Broach Morris >> >> >>==== TNHENRY Mailing List ==== >>NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test >>messages, chain letters, >>politicalannouncements, current events, items >>for sale, personal >>messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) >>is NOT ALLOWED and will be >>grounds for removal. Consideration for >>exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett >>[email protected] >> >>============================== >>Gain access to over two billion names including >>the new Immigration >>Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. >>Click to learn more. >> >> >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >> >> > > > > >_______________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush > > >==== TNHENRY Mailing List ==== >If you wish to unsubscribe from the Henry Co., TN Mailing List, send only the word >UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if you are on the Digest List to >[email protected] > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

That's amazing. I'll try that on some I've been unable to see. Thanks!!! Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: Delanie Alcorn-Jones To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:22 PM Subject: [TNHENRY] Try a digital camera instead of rubbing I've sometimes found my best results by taking a picture with a digital camera. Take the picture when the sun is at an angle so it will cast slight shadows. Look at the picture on a computer so you can enlarge it. I've often found that this gives me wonderful photos that will show the detail in the engravings that I couldn't see with my eye. By changing the contrast & brightness, I can find even more. If you go to the genealogy.com Virtual Cemetery, you will see some photos that I donated. If you look at Thomas Montgomery Alcorn's heastone, you'll see what I mean. This headstone is over 100 years old and was impossible to see with the naked eye. The raised lettering was practically gone from erosion and time. I had taken this picture and then done a rubbing. When I got home, I looked at my picture on the computer and was amazed at the detail that came through. I then played with the contrast and brightness for even better results. The digital photo was better than the rubbing. Thomas Montgomery Alcorn's headstone: http://www.genealogy.com/VG/00/00/10/30/60/0000103060/index.html Virtual Cemetery: http://www.genealogy.com/genealogy/VG/vcem_search.html ==== TNHENRY Mailing List ==== NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, politicalannouncements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected] ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I think it is really unfortunate that this mis-information continues to be promulgated on various websites and elsewhere. These websites which advocate against using shaving cream can all be boiled down to pseudo-scientific gobbledygook from opinionated hobby-time folks who have no training or expertise in the area, and which show a profound misunderstanding of the scientific principles involved. Nowhere is this more evident than the argument that shaving cream hurts a stone on the basis that it is a mild acid. Using the same argument, water is a mild acid, since its pH (the negative log value of the proton concentration in solution) is 7. If it were not an acid, it would have a pH of infinity. Furthermore, the "acid" in shaving cream is not a mineral acid, but an organic acid, and therefore, EVEN IF it were a stronger acid, it wouldn't make any difference, since the "acids" in shaving cream are not water soluble. And EVEN IF they WERE water soluble, it ignores the fact that shaving cream contains a organic base which neutralizes the organic acid. And when you neutralize an acid with a base, what do you get? You get a salt and water. That's junior high chemistry, folks. So to argue that shaving cream can hurt a stone because it is (or contains some) acid really is to pile one impossibility upon the next. The only way that shaving cream could hurt a tombstone by virtue of its acidity is if you are using shaving cream which contains HYDROCHLORIC ACID. And since I doubt very many folks use "Three Mile Island" brand shaving cream, it is really not an issue. If you want to read something about the actions of acids on stone which have actual scientific merit, read about acid-promoted rock etchings, where folks use industrial grade super-acids of the course of months to generate etching depths of microns. To put them on equivalent scales, shaving cream would cause detectable etch depth if you shaving creamed the stone for an hour daily for 8,000 years. Notions like comparing shaving cream with acid rain are really intended to be inflammatory, rather than as some scientific underpinning rationale. Acid rain conjures up images of post-nuclear holocaust, etc., and completely ignores the fact that people are not unfamiliar with shaving cream, as they put it on their face routinely. The fact of the matter is that shaving cream has a pH of about 5.5 or so, and REGULAR RAIN (not acid rain, but just plain old rain) has a pH that is more acidic than that. That is to say, that from the point-of-view of acidity, shaving cream would have a PROTECTIVE effect from the rain. In short, not using shaving cream only produces one result - an inability to get a good transcription/picture that you may have otherwise been able to obtain. Gregg Bonner DO NOT DO ANY OF THIS TO HEADSTONES: Shaving Cream: DO NOT USE SHAVING CREAM TO READ HARD TO READ HEADSTONES. Most people who have some experience in the area know that this is not a good practice and by doing so you can cause irreparable damage to the stone itself. Shaving cream, of all kinds, contains perfumes and stearic acid. Stearic acid is a white crystalline fatty acid obtained by hard fats which is used in creams for scar and skin lesion reduction. This acid is stronger than acid rain. 3xs stronger to be exact. Some shaving creams, such as Gillette Series line, have replaced stearic acid with palmitic acid, which is somewhat safer for your face but still has the same effect on stone. Shaving cream contains chemicals, greasy emollients that are sticky and very difficult to remove from the stone with a simple washing. The cream fills the pours of the porous stone as a result will discolor and damage the stone. DONT USE SHAVING CREAM, CHALK, GRAPHITE, DIRT OR OTHER CONCOCTIONS IN AN ATTEMPT TO READ WORN INSCRIPTIONS. Why not use the safest cream? To begin with, the exact formula in shaving creams are corporate trade secrets. ALL creams cause the surface to exfoliate (scale, splinter). Marble and Limestone are highly reactive to acids, and will actually sublimate in the presence of hydrochloric acid.

<<I've never heard of finding a grave that way There was an interesting article in our local paper two or three years ago about a gentleman in a nearby town who has gotten quite a reputation for find graves by dowsing. I also have a friend who has used her SAR dog to locate unmarked graves. She and another SAR team member worked by invitation an old church cemetery near Atlanta a year or so ago. Jeanetta ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [TNHENRY] USE A COAT HANGER TO PROBE FOR GRAVES. > Okay, now I am laughing so hard I have tears in my eyes. I sure never > thought I could be accused of being a grave robber but you have really painted a > picture for me. And me with the purest of motives!!! BTW the coat hanger > probe is a good idea. Thanks. > > You're talking about dowsing, I think is the word. You do it with a forked > (Y) willow branch to look for water. My Daddy was a well driller and I think > some folks would do that and then tell him where to dig. Don't know if he > did it or not or if it worked or not. We are finding out now that some of the > things our ancestors did have a scientific basis. That may be one of them. > However, I've never heard of finding a grave that way or telling the sex of > the person buried. You must tell us if you do it and what you find. But how > would you ever know if you were correct or not unless you dug the person up? > > > Peggy > > > > > ==== TNHENRY Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Henry Co., TN Mailing List, send only the word > UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if you are on the Digest List to > [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Well, I thought I was scared of the critters and varmints that might be hanging around in old cemeteries, but now I'm terrified of cleaning products. I surely wouldn't want to harm a monument, but I won't live long enough to clean a tombstone with a Q-tip. What I have learned today is that I need to get out there and record what is left of some of these old tombstones and get the information onto the Internet. I think there is a compromise somewhere between the Q-tip method and the acid method. These stones are going to erode into nothing eventually, no matter how careful we are. If the information is recorded and shared, then it is not lost. And that is the point, isn't it? This discussion has really been fun. You're a terrific group of folks. Peggy

I've sometimes found my best results by taking a picture with a digital camera. Take the picture when the sun is at an angle so it will cast slight shadows. Look at the picture on a computer so you can enlarge it. I've often found that this gives me wonderful photos that will show the detail in the engravings that I couldn't see with my eye. By changing the contrast & brightness, I can find even more. If you go to the genealogy.com Virtual Cemetery, you will see some photos that I donated. If you look at Thomas Montgomery Alcorn's heastone, you'll see what I mean. This headstone is over 100 years old and was impossible to see with the naked eye. The raised lettering was practically gone from erosion and time. I had taken this picture and then done a rubbing. When I got home, I looked at my picture on the computer and was amazed at the detail that came through. I then played with the contrast and brightness for even better results. The digital photo was better than the rubbing. Thomas Montgomery Alcorn's headstone: http://www.genealogy.com/VG/00/00/10/30/60/0000103060/index.html Virtual Cemetery: http://www.genealogy.com/genealogy/VG/vcem_search.html

Okay, now I am laughing so hard I have tears in my eyes. I sure never thought I could be accused of being a grave robber but you have really painted a picture for me. And me with the purest of motives!!! BTW the coat hanger probe is a good idea. Thanks. You're talking about dowsing, I think is the word. You do it with a forked (Y) willow branch to look for water. My Daddy was a well driller and I think some folks would do that and then tell him where to dig. Don't know if he did it or not or if it worked or not. We are finding out now that some of the things our ancestors did have a scientific basis. That may be one of them. However, I've never heard of finding a grave that way or telling the sex of the person buried. You must tell us if you do it and what you find. But how would you ever know if you were correct or not unless you dug the person up? Peggy

Please be very careful with these old headstones. Many of them are very porous and brittle. It's easy to accidentally scrub the surface right off. Here's some information off the net... From http://www.hollyhockfarms.com/coweld/cemetery/cleaning_gravestones.htm Approach each project, no matter what material the grave marker is made of, by asking yourself, 'what is the gentlest means possible? The harshest, quickest, or cheapest method is often not the gentlest. And, certainly, blasting with chemicals, sand, pecan shells, glass beads, or even water is not the gentlest means possible. Make test patches of your proposed cleaning technique on an area of the structure that is least visible. Begin with plain water (at garden hose pressure) and a soft bristle brush. You will find that some foreign materials are removed quite satisfactorily with this simple approach-dark algae from a marble surface, for example. Should further action be needed, the next step should be the slow and cautious addition of a mild detergent to the water. However, before any detergent is added, the stone surface should be thoroughly soaked with water, again at garden hose pressure. It takes time to thoroughly soak stone-thirty minutes minimum, and some sources recommend soaking a stone for 24 hours! The reason for the soaking is to make sure that the detergent is applied only to the surface of the gravestone; if not thoroughly saturated, the stone will absorb the detergent, making it impossible to rinse away. It is very important to understand that acids are very damaging to marble and limestone, and chlorine bleach (such as Clorox and Purex) is very bad for almost all stone, including polished granite. Many people have totally lost the polished face of a fine granite marker by conscientiously scrubbing with household bleaches. If you feel you need something in addition to a mild detergent, use a diluted solution of ammonia (1 part ammonia to 3 parts water). You can also try a photographic solution named Triton X, which is recommended by conservators as a gentle cleaner. Water and gentle scrubbing should do the job. Keep in mind that a soft-bristle brush is all that is needed. Metallic brushes are entirely too harsh, and they also leave particles on the surface of the stone that can rust. Always watch carefully to make sure that none of the stone's surface is eroding as you scrub. From http://www.cemeterypreservations.accessgenealogy.com/custom4.html DO NOT DO ANY OF THIS TO HEADSTONES: Shaving Cream: DO NOT USE SHAVING CREAM TO READ HARD TO READ HEADSTONES. Most people who have some experience in the area know that this is not a good practice and by doing so you can cause irreparable damage to the stone itself. Shaving cream, of all kinds, contains perfumes and stearic acid. Stearic acid is a white crystalline fatty acid obtained by hard fats which is used in creams for scar and skin lesion reduction. This acid is stronger than acid rain. 3xs stronger to be exact. Some shaving creams, such as Gillette Series line, have replaced stearic acid with palmitic acid, which is somewhat safer for your face but still has the same effect on stone. Shaving cream contains chemicals, greasy emollients that are sticky and very difficult to remove from the stone with a simple washing. The cream fills the pours of the porous stone as a result will discolor and damage the stone. DONT USE SHAVING CREAM, CHALK, GRAPHITE, DIRT OR OTHER CONCOCTIONS IN AN ATTEMPT TO READ WORN INSCRIPTIONS. Why not use the safest cream? To begin with, the exact formula in shaving creams are corporate trade secrets. ALL creams cause the surface to exfoliate (scale, splinter). Marble and Limestone are highly reactive to acids, and will actually sublimate in the presence of hydrochloric acid. That means it will go from solid to a vapor with out a liquid stage as it releases certain parts of its chemical structure. All chemicals in shaving cream are biodegradable. Since they are biodegradable, they provide food for microscopic organisms, fungi, mosses, etc. Only completely chemically inert materials should ever contact a tombstone. The residue from Styrofoam inert, therefore not chemically damaging. The only problem with this is the pressure being applied to the stone may cause damage. When pressing on old stone it tends to crumble. DO NOT DO ANY OF THIS TO HEADSTONES: What About Rubbing Headstones: Headstone rubbings is another problem. Some people rub chalk directly on the stone and some use paper and black chalk. This is a good method but has a lot of serious problems. When attaching the paper to the stone to get a proper reading you must do this with tape which leaves residue behind and when the initial tape is removed it also takes particles from the stone. The pressure on the stone, especially an old stone, is damaging. You may think that the amount of pressure you put on the stone didnt cause any cracks but it weakens the stone from the inside and at the base. Papers carry chemicals which bonds the particles of the paper together, you dont think its just cut that way from a tree do you. I have seen people apply regular street chalk directly onto stones, which causes damage itself. No matter what the package of street chalk says, it DOES NOT wash way with the next rain. Take some of this chalk out to your street and make a mark you will see that after the next rain it is still there. If this chalk is applied to the stone and the sun shines on it for a period of time it stains the stone that color. God made the weather unpredictable. ALL stones have pores, and this chalk gets into those pores and DOES NOT come out no matter the amount of water that is used. Best way to read warn inscriptions would be foil and a very soft bristle brush. Best foil would be the cheapest you can find. Why? The expensive foils are made to be tough, cheap foil isnt. Why a soft bristle brush and what is the best kind? A soft bristle brush with at least a 3 inch handle is time consuming to use due to it being soft but absolutely no pressure is applied to the stone. The best to use is a paintbrush. A brush with a flat handle is very uncomfortable for the hand to hold for long periods of time and does require pressure that you might not know you are using. For more information on best ways to read hard to read stones please see our How To page for some great tips that we personally use as well as those from experts that have been in working with stones for almost 20 years. Rubbing Dirt Into The Stone For A Better Reading: Some use dirt as a highlighter. Why not, they say, the stone has been in the same elements as the dirt. Granted this is true, but you were to remove a stone and look at the damage that occurred to the portion under ground you would be able to see that it is deteriorated. This is why a lot of stones fall from the base. By rubbing dirt into the inscription you introduce microscopic organisms, fungi, mosses, etc., which deteriorated the base and will do the same to the rest of the stone. Bleaching: DO NOT BLEACH ANY STONE PERIOD!!!! Yes bleaching will kill fungi, moss and other organisms but it will damage the stone. ALL bleaches contain Sodium Hypochlorite, which is an unstable salt. This will eat its way into the stone even if completely cleaned. Bleaches also contain Chlorofluorocarbon. This is a gaseous compound that contains carbon, chlorine, fluorine and hydrogen, which is used in refrigerants, cleaning solvents and aerosol propellants. The problem with that mix is the hydrogen. Every one knows that hydrogen is a gas. When applied to a surface it turns into a flammable liquid. Which is why it removes stains so well and is also highly lethal. This will cause the stone to liquefy in a very short time. What About Using Graphite? Graphite is a carbon substance. Graphite is used in pencil lead and carbon paper as well as in batteries because graphite contains Sulphuric Acid. Sulphuric Acid is a heavy CORROSIVE oily oxidizing and dehydrating agent. I think corrosive explains enough on why not to use Graphite. We want to save these stones not have them fall apart in our hands.

Friends, Have been following with interest the "chemicals on gravemarkers" discussion. You might find information of interest at: http://www.gravestonestudies.org/faq.htm Cheers, Mary McCall Deane ps: much of my McCall, Porter, and Tharpe ancestors lived in Henry County.

If you will go to http://www.askjeeves on the internet and then ask the question "how do you clean tombstones", you will find numerous sites with information on the subject. Mary Louise Outgoing mail checked by Norton AntiVirus

I used Tilex once on the marble threshold of my walk in shower and it permanently etched it. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [TNHENRY] cleaning old monuments > The problem I see with Tilex and shaving cream is not that it might hurt marble. I doubt that it would, but older stones were sandstone, much softer than marble. I'm afraid it would hurt them. Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith Pence > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:19 PM > Subject: Re: [TNHENRY] cleaning old monuments > > > Hi Peggy, > My suggestion would be to contact the Henry County Monument Works company there in Paris. I don't think it would hurt it. Tilex has just done wonders on every old monument, and I have done many. > Keith > > [email protected] wrote: > You may live near some of my relatives and friends. I grew up in McKenzie. > Three of my four cats are from McKenzie and one is named McKenzie, but I > haven't lived near there in many years. > > Does the Tilex do anything to erode the old marble? I guess bleach and > water would probably do the same thing, but I worry that it might be too caustic. > Of course, I don't really know anything about stone or chemicals, but a > lifetime of housework makes me wonder. Tilex doesn't hurt ceramic or porcelain, > but I am not sure about marble. Have you checked back to see what happened > over time? Just wondering. I wouldn't want to do anything that would harm > the tombstones, but I sure do like time saving and convenience. > > Thanks for the suggestion. > > Peggy > > > > > ==== TNHENRY Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, politicalannouncements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > [email protected] > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > > > ==== TNHENRY Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, politicalannouncements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== TNHENRY Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Henry Co., TN Mailing List, send only the word > UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if you are on the Digest List to > [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

How do you tell the difference? I've noticed the sparkle in some of the old ones, but never really thought about the ones that didn't sparkle. Guess I just thought they were dirtier. Peggy

Peggy, Probably the best thing to carry with you to probe down in the ground would be a coat hanger. It is lightweight, and you could easily carry it anywhere...and it could also be used for a weapon..Ha!Ha! No really, you could bend it up in a small bundle & even carry it in your purse. In case anyone saw you, it would not look as if you were planning to dig someone up. I have been told that you can tell the gender of the one buried in a grave by using a coat hanger..sorta the same theory as hunting for water. Only you country people out there will know what I mean about finding water. I have not tried it yet, but I intend to. I have unsuccessfully been looking for my gg granddad's grave, and I still believe that he is buried with or beside my gg grandmother in an unmarked grave. If the rod really works, I would tell me it there was indeed a male buried there. At this point, I am willing to try anything!! Just a suggestion.. Joan Broach Morris

The problem I see with Tilex and shaving cream is not that it might hurt marble. I doubt that it would, but older stones were sandstone, much softer than marble. I'm afraid it would hurt them. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Pence To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [TNHENRY] cleaning old monuments Hi Peggy, My suggestion would be to contact the Henry County Monument Works company there in Paris. I don't think it would hurt it. Tilex has just done wonders on every old monument, and I have done many. Keith [email protected] wrote: You may live near some of my relatives and friends. I grew up in McKenzie. Three of my four cats are from McKenzie and one is named McKenzie, but I haven't lived near there in many years. Does the Tilex do anything to erode the old marble? I guess bleach and water would probably do the same thing, but I worry that it might be too caustic. Of course, I don't really know anything about stone or chemicals, but a lifetime of housework makes me wonder. Tilex doesn't hurt ceramic or porcelain, but I am not sure about marble. Have you checked back to see what happened over time? Just wondering. I wouldn't want to do anything that would harm the tombstones, but I sure do like time saving and convenience. Thanks for the suggestion. Peggy ==== TNHENRY Mailing List ==== NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, politicalannouncements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected] ============================== You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ==== TNHENRY Mailing List ==== NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, politicalannouncements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected] ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Good suggestion. I will do that. They should know. Peggy

You may live near some of my relatives and friends. I grew up in McKenzie. Three of my four cats are from McKenzie and one is named McKenzie, but I haven't lived near there in many years. Does the Tilex do anything to erode the old marble? I guess bleach and water would probably do the same thing, but I worry that it might be too caustic. Of course, I don't really know anything about stone or chemicals, but a lifetime of housework makes me wonder. Tilex doesn't hurt ceramic or porcelain, but I am not sure about marble. Have you checked back to see what happened over time? Just wondering. I wouldn't want to do anything that would harm the tombstones, but I sure do like time saving and convenience. Thanks for the suggestion. Peggy