This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: WayneandDeborah Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.hawkins/3339.1.1.1.3.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Clear as mud - anyone for chocolate pudding ? Let's look at this - could we have it both ways ? David and I batted this around before. It is definitely speculation but this needs to be reviewed and tested. Burrell and Clement Lawson both show up from 1793 to 1813 but never together. It would seem to support the idea that could be the same person. Being born ca. 1772, Clem should show up in the lists at about 20 years old or 1792 - Burrell shows up in the 1793 tax list. Clem doesn't show up until later in 1801 (if he is identified as Samuel as I originaly speculated) or 1802 at about 30 years old - not totally unusual if he was younger and looking after his parents but why does he not show up earlier ? 1800 Stokes Co., NC census Samuel Lawson and Burrel Lawson appear at the same time. A John and Fatmon (Patmon) Losson are also listed. Why the different spellings ? Samuel appears only in 1800 census and 1801 tax list - seems to disappear (I think this could have been Clem). 1805 and 1806 both are missing from the records. 1810 here is the first potential overlap - Clem and John appear in Hawkins Co., TN tax lists but they could have been on the move but Burrell's name appears later in 1813 in NC. 1813 Burrell and John both show up in Stokes Co. tax list 1814 John and Clement appear together in Samuel Bunch's Regiment of TN Militia. 1830 census records Clem shows up in Henry Co., IN while Burrell is missing or has not been located yet. 1840 Clem is found in Madison Co., IN but Burrell is in Hawkins Co., TN alone - this is the only time they ever appear at the same time. Burrell is alone - no wife, no children, no nephews, nieces or grandchildren near a Martin and John Lawson. If they are the same person, Clem / Burrell could have been recorded in both places like Banks and Hennis in were in 1830 (IN and TN) if he went back briefly to Hawkins Co to tie up loose ends and maybe bring family back to IN by 1850. Remember that Lydia (Lawson) Manis was in Hancock Co. and Alem and Susan (Manis) Lawson's and Lydia, Richard Lawson (& Franky) plus Preston Robinson and others from Hawkins Co. went to Madison Co., IN by the 1850 census while one of the George Washington Lawsons went from IN back to Hawkins Co., TN. This also could account for why Clem's wife is so young in the 1830 (it could be a daughter though) - Clem's wife, a daughter and Paschal may still be living and listed with son Edmund Lawson in 1830. Clem's! wife could be the older female and living with Edmund and not with Clem yet in IN. Edmund died in 1832. Then later Clem goes back to TN to fetch family and kin then returns by 1850 census time. There seems to be a lot of appearances & disappearances 1840 - 1860 in the Manis and Lawsons. There is a possibility of course that Clem could have been married 2 or 3 times, say a Banks, a Hamblin/Hamblen and a Hall maybe in that order ? In argument of Burrell and Clem being different people, I wonder if the families with Jonas/Jonah, Lewis, Burrell and Morman are a clue to Burrell's line if separate from the others. And who is that Aaron Lawson near Ambrose Coomer ? The Coomer and Lawsons seem to be possible kin in KY and Stokes Co., NC. One of John Monk's sons married a Comer and so did our William Howe who is tied to our Roberts and others in OH who were all from TN. The Coomer (William and Richard) family lived near the Lawsons in Stokes Co., NC before moving out west where Aaron Lawson, Jonas Lawson and Ambrose Coomer appear. The Tilly and Rogers families also have similar first names and could be kin. The John "Black Eye" Lawson clan seem to be in the central northern district of PETERS CREEK (Capt. Cloud / Capt. Gains / Peters Creek District) area while Jonas, Moses, Burrell, Sherwood/Sherod appear in the adjoining north eastern area SNOW CREEK area (Capt. Hickman's / Capt. Beasley's / Capt. Charles McAnally's / Capt. Dearing's / Capt. Ward's / Snow Creek / Stone Chimney Districts). Different districts consistently but adjoining. Was Burrell (if he was not Clem) a son of Morman and say a Shelton along with David and maybe Ambrose (that Coomer name again) ? (Charles, Thomas and Andrew Mooreman/Merriman were early in this area). A side note - Banks, Hennis, Franky, Enoch and Thursy Lawson are named with Andrew and Nancy Stapleton in a court record in Hawkins Co., TN and in 1853 Pulaski Co., KY Malinda / Melinda Lawson marries William Stapleton. In 1852 Nancy (Fry/Frye - see connection in Stokes Co., NC to other Lawson Fry(e) marriages) Lawson dies - a year later James (as transcribed but is his name Jonas James / James Jonas or is this a misinterpretation of Jonas) remarries to Phebe Morgan. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.