This was posted previously on a TN list, no one has ever been able to explain in a rational provable way how Native Americans going back so far in Colonial history ended up with European names. I do not believe it unrealistic to think this came from racial intermarriages in a new country where European women were scarce as hen's teeth. The information below is proven and cited for further examination. http://sciway3.net/clark/freemoors/Indian.htm The "positive" Chowan families from earliest records of at least 1730 were the Bennett, Perkins, Beasley, Hoyte/Hoyter/Hoytes, Reed & Robins. By 1800 they had also included the Martin and Weaver families. The head researcher of the Nansemond Nation, Fred Bright, is under the opinion that the Perkins, Weaver, Newton families were Chowan. At about the time of the Tuscarora War, many remnant groups were wandering back and forth across south-eastern VA, eastern NC, and northern SC. When the War broke out a band of non-hostile Tuscarora under King Blount travelled north and settled with a group of Nansemond/Nottoway/Meherrin/Cheraw living in the area between the Nottoway and Roanoke Rivers (close to the Fort Christiana site). When the War ended, these Indian families could move more freely as the last hostile tribe had been eliminated. They were settleing anywhere they could safely remain, and were especially attracted to reservated lands. Christianized, acculturated mixed-blood families descended from the once powerful Powhatan and Eastern Sioaun Nations could be found spread from the Nanticoke reserve, the Pamunkey reserve, the Nottoway reserve, the Tuscarora reserve, all the way down to the Catawba reserve. These families bore such widespread "Free person of color" surnames as Bass, George, Gibson, Going, Collins, Scott, Hathcock, Reed, Archer, Stewart, Mitchell, Perkins, Weaver, etc. etc. the 1777 land record of the tuscarora reservation of Bertie Co.NC included such family names as Allen, Basket, Blount, Cain, Cornelius, Dennis, George, Gibson, Hicks, Miller, Mitchell, Owens, Pugh, Roberts, Smith, Taylor, Thomas, Tufdick, Wheeler, Wigiins and Wineoak. The 1808 special census of the Nottoway in Southampton Co. VA included such family names as Rogers, Turner, Step, Woodson, Bartlett, and Wineoak. It would be very difficult to verify if a certain surname indicated descendancy from a specific nation....The eastern sioux (called by the group name "Cheraw" if you were in SC, "Tutelo" if you were north of VA, "Saponi" if you were in VA, or "Catawba" if you were in NC, but all referring to the same group of siouan speaking villages) were closely allied with the Chowan and a western band of the Nansemond (one historian has identified that the Nansemond were effectively broken in two by 1700, consisting of the more acculturated band around Norfolk, and a more traditional band called "Portuckee" that removed across the Meherrin)...even though the Siouan bands spoke a different language than the Algonquian Chowan and Nansemond, they intermarried and socialized extensively.... -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: TNHAWKIN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 301 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Jacob Lawson ([email protected]) 2. Re: Jacob Lawson (Bob Betty Hughes) 3. Fw: Re: Jacob Lawson (Bob Betty Hughes) 4. Re: Jacob Lawson (Margaret Mabrey) 5. Re: Jacob Lawson (Bob Betty Hughes) 6. Re: Jacob Lawson ([email protected]) 7. Cherokee Heredity (Bob Betty Hughes) 8. Re: Jacob Lawson (Bob Betty Hughes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:24:19 -0000 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: drdjones Surnames: Lawson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.count ies.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, Tennessee in 1777. http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:36:51 GMT From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson To: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" With all due respect, I do not agree with your posting. It was not always us against the Cherokees. In cases such as Betsy Ward, who is recognized by DAR and SAR as a Patriot, they tried to prevent war. As a group, the Cherokees were peaceful and very smart. Afterall, we were invading their land that they had occuppied for centuries. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: drdjones Surnames: Lawson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.count ies.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, Tennessee in 1777. http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:45:21 GMT From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> Subject: [TNHAWKIN] Fw: Re: Jacob Lawson To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Not sure my message went through to the list. Making double sure. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Betty Hughes Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:36 PM To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson With all due respect, I do not agree with your posting. It was not always us against the Cherokees. In cases such as Betsy Ward, who is recognized by DAR and SAR as a Patriot, they tried to prevent war. As a group, the Cherokees were peaceful and very smart. Afterall, we were invading their land that they had occuppied for centuries. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: drdjones Surnames: Lawson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.count ies.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, Tennessee in 1777. http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:49:31 -0500 From: "Margaret Mabrey" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Bob, I agree also with you, I know too many family lines that go back to an indian grandmother in Hawkins/Hancock co. Lots of them, like myself have photos to prove it. Correction: It was Nancy Ward, not 'Betsy'. Margaret Mabrey TNHANCOC List admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson > With all due respect, I do not agree with your posting. It was not always > us against the Cherokees. In cases such as Betsy Ward, who is recognized > by DAR and SAR as a Patriot, they tried to prevent war. As a group, the > Cherokees were peaceful and very smart. > Afterall, we were invading their land that they had occuppied for > centuries. > Bob Hughes > > "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a > trail"---Emerson > Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those > who dare to attack. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: drdjones > Surnames: Lawson > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.count ies.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian > maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional > exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very > few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most > of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and > early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors > saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee > were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could > and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to > come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was > killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, > Tennessee in 1777. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:53:56 GMT From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Glad you agree. Yes it was Nancy Ward. Her dau., Betsy mar'd my ancestor Joseph Martin. Got carried away in my despense of the Cherokees. Best wishes, Bbob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Mabrey Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson Bob, I agree also with you, I know too many family lines that go back to an indian grandmother in Hawkins/Hancock co. Lots of them, like myself have photos to prove it. Correction: It was Nancy Ward, not 'Betsy'. Margaret Mabrey TNHANCOC List admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson > With all due respect, I do not agree with your posting. It was not always > us against the Cherokees. In cases such as Betsy Ward, who is recognized > by DAR and SAR as a Patriot, they tried to prevent war. As a group, the > Cherokees were peaceful and very smart. > Afterall, we were invading their land that they had occuppied for > centuries. > Bob Hughes > > "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a > trail"---Emerson > Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those > who dare to attack. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: drdjones > Surnames: Lawson > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.count ies.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian > maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional > exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very > few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most > of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and > early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors > saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee > were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could > and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to > come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was > killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, > Tennessee in 1777. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:16:17 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I was once in touch with the late Muriel Spoden, Sullivan County historian, and her thoughts were that anyone whose ancestors date back to the 1700's or early 1800's in the E. Tennessee area, certainly would have Native American ancestors. Jane ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:09:32 GMT From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> Subject: [TNHAWKIN] Cherokee Heredity To: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The State of Franklin TNSSAR Chapter welcomes any member with Cherokee heredity to join our Chapter. I have led the chartering of Chapters in the Cumberland Gap, the, General Joseph Martin Chapter and the Watauga Chapter in Carter County, TN. Many of the GM Chapter members descend from one of Joseph's Cherokee wives. We welcome your membership. General Martin recognized te friendship of the Cherokees and without their non-support at King's Mountain, we might not have turned the tide and won the Amer. Rev. War. We seek the support of the Cherokee descendants that helped us. Best wishes, Bob Hughes, Past Pres. TNSSAR "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:50:47 GMT From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jane: You are 100% correct. Pay no attention to the drdjones posting as they have NO clue as to their message.. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson I was once in touch with the late Muriel Spoden, Sullivan County historian, and her thoughts were that anyone whose ancestors date back to the 1700's or early 1800's in the E. Tennessee area, certainly would have Native American ancestors. 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