This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Young, cochran,Gilliam,Watts Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XeB.2ACE/1230.1234.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Marilyn, Your analysis makes perfect sence. Having looked at the 1840 cencus again James Young might be josephs brother with the elder father living in his household.Its possible James is the elder in the house.Jim

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeB.2ACE/1230.1234.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: In the 1850 Independence co. Ar census, states Joseph Young & Jane Young with children. I see your George as being 17 in this census. I'm from the Newton son who is 11 yrs of age at the time. I know that Joseph and Jane were married before they got together because Jane's older child James Ware is 17. Joseph's older child Elizabeth is 18. Also, your George Young was probably from Joseph's previous wife, right? Please email me at mgee@bak.rr.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XeB.2ACE/1230.1234.1.1.1 Message Board Post: marilyn, How do you know Joseph was married to Jane Ware?Josephs son George W is my ancestor and I wonder if Jane is his mother.I find Joseph in later cencus married to Finneta. Jim

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Young, Dobbs, Melton, Ware Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeB.2ACE/1230.1234.1.1 Message Board Post: Yes, I noticed the census too. I got my info from Stewart Stanfield on genealogy.com. Titled J.C. Young/Texas/Indians? There is also a Peter Young, not sure how he's related. I would love to have more info on this line, but Stewart has never answered my emails. I go as far back as Joseph & Jane Ware Young. The rest I'm not certain. What do you have?

Hi Angel, I can't help you much on the Morrison Cemetery, but we gotta be cousins of some sort -- particularly through the Bernard line. But first, the Morrison Cemetery -- I have Volume 3 of Hawkins County Tennessee Cemeteries, which on page 224, gives a very brief listing of the Morrison Cemetery "On Beech Creek Road, about 1/4 mile before Mt. Carmel Free Will Baptist Church over in the field on the right." The only specific listings are for "Morrison, Martha, born May 1, 1834, died May 9, 1884" followed by the comments "Twenty unmarked graves", "Condition of Cemetery - Poor", and "Compiled March 17, 1987". That's it !! Sorry 'bout that. There are, however, lots more Morrisons in the Vol. 3 Cemeteries book. Maybe if you could narrow down your interests a bit, I'll see if I can find something on your folks. Now for our possible Hawkins County connections. I have indirect "connections" to the Morelock, Morrison, Crawford and Light lines, but I am directly descended from the Beech Creek Bernards. My great-grandmother, wife of Wiley Mitchell Hale, is Sarah Jane Bernard, and my 2nd great-grandmother, wife of Kindred Hale, Wiley's father, is Louisa Bernard. Louisa and Sarah Jane are sorta "half-cousins". They are in different generations, descending from a common Bernard ancestor, but from different wives. Will have to get back to my database to refresh my memory on this one. :>)) FYI, I'm also a direct descendent from the Hawkins County Ball line as well as the Beech Creek Hale line.. Let know if it looks like we're close. John Hale Williamsburg, VA In a message dated 6/3/2005 11:17:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, tnangel1966@bellsouth.net writes: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bernard, Morelock, Ward, Crawford, Light Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeB.2ACE/3364 Message Board Post: I am trying to find someone with the morrison cemetery listings , I have relatives buried there and would like to see the listings of all the persons buried in it. anyone with that info please contact me at tnangel1966@bellsouth.net thanks angel

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Debord and Smith Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeB.2ACE/3365 Message Board Post: Sarah Smith appears in the 1870 Bledsoe Co, Tn Census as the daughter of James M Smith and Catherine. Sarah later marries John Wheeler debord II in Bledsoe in 1882. Sarah's brother, James Thomas Smith and Addie V (Childers) Smith are my gg grandparents. According to Debord family tree data, John Wheeler Debord II was born in Hawkins Co, Tn Aug 27, 1864 and Sarah A Smith in Hawkins Co, TN Jan 6 1866. Sarah's family is in the Bledsoe Co, Tn census for 1870. John's family are in White Co, TN for 1870 and then on to Bledsoe Co, Tn for 1880, after which they married, and later moved to Sherman, Grayson Co, TX in about 1894. I am having extreme difficulty locating James M smith and Catherine beyond 1870, and if Sarah was in fact born in Hawkins Co, Tn in 1866, I have progressed that far at least. Anyone having info on these families or the pedigree of Sarah, please email me at mrfrost@zoominternet.net.

Seeking information on Martha Bull born abt 1815 in KY. Here is info I have but no proof. FANNY BRAY was born Abt. 1780 in Surry County, North Carolina, and died in Bell County, Kentucky. She married RICHARD BULL 11 May 1805 in Grainger County, Tennessee. He was born Abt. 1780, and died in Bell County, Kentucky. More About FANNY BRAY: Burial: Bell County, Kentucky More About RICHARD BULL: Burial: Bell County, Kentucky Child of FANNY BRAY and RICHARD BULL is: i. MARTHA JANE4 BULL, b. Abt. 1815, Knox County, Kentucky. tks! Larry Mills

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bernard, Morelock, Ward, Crawford, Light Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeB.2ACE/3364 Message Board Post: I am trying to find someone with the morrison cemetery listings , I have relatives buried there and would like to see the listings of all the persons buried in it. anyone with that info please contact me at tnangel1966@bellsouth.net thanks angel

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Dalton/Daulton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XeB.2ACE/3303.1.1.1.2.2.1.2.1 Message Board Post: This info I was helped putting together by a very experienced man who was interested in the Mathew Dalton line at Hawkins Co.Tn. James Klumpf, I never can remember how to spell his last name correctly, he is at the Dalton Gang Newsletter where he found the info I posted on my Dalton line. Mathew Dalton is my great/great/great/grandfather, Mathew was born June 5, 1806 in Pittsylvania County Virginia, his birth was recorded in the Winston Dalton's journal. Mathew's parents are James "Spike" Dalton and Sally/Sarah Turpin married 1802 at Bedford County Virginia, all three of their children's births were recorded in the Winston Dalton's journal. William Martin Dalton/Daulton, born March 14, 1841 at Bristol, TN info from family bible, is my great/great/grandfather, his daughter is Robert E. Lee "Bobbie Dalton/Daulton is my great/grandmother. Keziah Sprewell married Thomas C. W. Matthews on April 17, 1821 in Grayson County Virginia, from this time on she was Keziah Matthews (with 2 T's) this marriage was recorded in the book by John Perry Alderman, published his readings of the Grayson County Virginia early marriages on page 36. Keziah Sprewell was born in North Carolina, the county is not known. On the 1850 cennsus at Smyth County Virginia Keziah was living with Matthew and Mary Dalton, she was 79 years old on this census, which makes the year she was born about 1771. 1820 Grayson County Virginia Census, Page 51 Kezzy Sprewell, 1 female between 10-15 and 1 female over 45 years of age. Kezzy Sprewell was the only Sprewell on the 1820 census for the entire state of Virginia. 1830 census Accomack County Virginia Census Keziah Sprewell listed. 1840 Census Wythe County Virginia Census, Page 110, Keziah Matthews listed as female between 50-70 years old. Mathew Dalton is listed on this same page. Mathew Dalton married Polly Sprewell, May 29, 1830, Grayson County Virginia (present day Carroll County), Polly was the daughter of Keziah Sprewell. Keziah's name is listed on the marriage certificate as her mother. The bondsman was by Riley HIcks. The ceremony was performed by Ewv. John Cock. This marriage is recorded in the book by John Perry Alderman published his reading of Grayson County Virginia early marriages, listed on page 67. Polly Sprewell was born about 1814 North Carolina, father's name is not known. Mary's were called by the nickname of "Polly" The 1850 census Kasiah Matthis (how it was spelled on census not Keziah Matthews) she is living with Mathew Dalton and wife "Polly"(her nickname) Mary Narcissus Sprewell/Dalton. I don't think that Mathew had two different wives at all. I think that on the different census different first names were listed for her that has caused the confusion and speculation that Mathew Dalton had "two wives".

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeB.2ACE/834.1123.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks, Larry. He was an interesting character -- worked for the government as a "revenoor" in his later years and had some hair's breadth escapes from death in raids against moonshiners. He also had another whole unwed family during the time he lived in KY before he went home and reconciled with his wife. But that's another story.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeB.2ACE/834.1123.1.1.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Susan, I did a lot of digging on this before contacting you via the board. It is clear that T J Parrott led a long, productive, honorable life and was, with good cause, well respected. Among the things I let go reluctantly at this end of my search is the chance to include Thomas J. Parrott into my family tree.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: REED,ROWE,MATNEY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeB.2ACE/3363 Message Board Post: Need info on JOhn Wesley Reed b:1804 rogersville ,TN this is in Hawkins CO TN. Can't find his parents. Family lore says he also used Hoover as his last name. Can't find anything on this man. Hope someone out there can HELP. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, GAIL REED

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeB.2ACE/834.1123.1.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: You are correct -- there is one connection to the Setzers with another Parrott; I meant there is none to my direct line. Unfortunately, I think the desire to establish certain bloodlines may have outrun sound research in the "Setzer myth." TJ Parrott by all accounts was a prolific letter-writer and diarist throughout his life, although most of those papers now are gone, and had a strong connection to family and was always curious about other people's histories and families -- for obvious reasons, once we realized he was illegitimate. You can see in that 1946 letter to my aunt Ruth that he hedges a bit around the information on his father, despite being able to reel off information about his grandparents and their siblings. Later, in 1948, he's more candid with his own son in admitting that Speck is really his father. No doubt TJ probably did know the circumstances around his mother's death, but to my knowledge he never set those down in writing anywhere.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeB.2ACE/834.1123.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: William Phelps ended up in Claiborne County. He married a Bishop (Mary, I believe). I have a picture of them, if you would like me to send you a copy. My Father said Elizabeth always told them she didn't know who her father was. He also said that Coleman Hicks was the father of Elizabeth's oldest son - Thomas Coleman Carpenter. She was pregnant when she and Gabriel Carpenter got married (in Oct 1885 - Thomas born in Jun 1886). Do you know of anyone who might have a picture of Emaline?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeB.2ACE/834.1123.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Susan, Thank you for your quick and gratifying response. I have chased this bogus relationship for years and now believe I can put it to rest, thanks to you. I must add, however, that it's not correct to say there's no connection to the Setzer's. It's just not THIS one. Thomas J's uncle Daniel Henry Parrott married Elizabeth "Lizzie" Bean whose mother was Allie Setzer Bean. The myth part is that Allie Setzer Bean and Charlotte Parrott were sisters and that Daniel Henry and Lizzie Bean were cousins. Now this Setzer branch has generated more myths than the Brothers Grimm. Another was that Allie Setzer's mother (and Charlotte's according to the first myth) was a full-blood Cherokee and the first wife of John Setzer of Burke County NC. Neither of those claims are currently believed by most researchers. So, good things happened for my research. The gene pool for Daniel Henry and Lizzie's children just increased dramatically and I still get to keep the Parrott surname in my files as a "related family". Now all I have to do is try to find out the name of that 11 to 15 year old girl in Lawrence Setzer's 1830 census report. It's probably not Charlotte.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeB.2ACE/834.1123.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Jan -- I only know that Thomas J. Speck for sure was TJ Parrott's father. You probably know that Emeline Parrott did briefly marry Fielding Fulp(s), and that they had a son William Robert (and I haven't been able to trace him or Fielding because the spelling of the name varies so widely). I've never heard even a clue as to the paternity of the 3 little girls. I tend to doubt that it was Speck, as he married and settled down very respectably, and even married his daughter into one of the Greene County, TN Presbyterian ministerial families. He lived out the rest of his life in Hamblen County as a dentist. I don't know if he even had any contact with T.J. I also understood that Lula was only a toddler when the Hickses adopted her because they had no natural children. But I've never discovered where or how Emeline died, except that TJ said it was August, 1873.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Parrott, Carpenter Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeB.2ACE/834.1123.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I had found out (since my initial post in 2000) that Charlotte was a Flora and not a Setzer, but I'm very interested in obtaining more info on T. J. Parrott. My Great-Grandmother was his youngest sister - Lula Elizabeth Parrott Carpenter. She was raised by John Coleman Hicks and his wife. She married Gabriel Carpenter when she was about 14 years old. Elizabeth always said she didn't know who her father was. I believe her mother died when she was just a couple years old. From everything I can tell, Emaline had 5 children, four which were illegitimate. Do you know anything about who fathered her other children?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeB.2ACE/834.1123.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Also, in T.J. Parrott's diary there are mentions of his Flora relatives, but never a mention of a Setzer anywhere. There simply isn't any connection.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeB.2ACE/834.1123.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I can answer that, Larry. Thomas J. Parrott was my great-grandfather, and he is most certainly the grandson of William and Charlotte Flora Parrott. He was the son of their daughter Emmeline and a dentist named Thomas J. Speck. In a letter written to Ruth Parrott Peoples dated 30 August 1946 Thomas J. Parrott stated: "Relative to your ancestors will say - On my side of house the "Paros" or Parrotts are French. The Floras are Hollanders, from Doom, Holland. Charles Parrott, my great grandfather, your great, great grandfather came to Tenn. from North Carolina; Asheville, many years ago (I do not know the wife's name) with a family of children; among them my grandfather, Wm. Parrott - your great great grandfather, born, I think, in April 1820 - his brothers - Charles Parrott, Henry Parrott, Green Parrott, Thomas Parrott, Robert Parrott. Sisters - Elmira Parrott, Betsy Parrott, and Julia Ann Parrott. Wm. Parrott (our grandfather) married Charlotte Temple Flora - daughter of Daniel Flora, Sr. (of Doom, Holland) and wife Lucy Pilant Flora - to them ten children were born - James A., David H., William M., Thomas J. Parrott - Emeline, Margaret, Elmira, and some who died in infancy. My father's name same as mine - dates of births and deaths destroyed by fire in home ____? house. But from memory I recall some dates. My grandfather Wm. Parrott died in my house in Rogersville, Tenn. May 1898 at 81 yrs. of age, and Grandmother Charlotte T. Parrott died same place July 1898 at 83 years of age. My mother was born May 10 - 1840 and died Aug-1873 at 33 years of age. My father was born (I may be able to get the data) - then your grandmother Sarah Eliza (Davis) Parrott was born Jan. 6 - 1866 and died Aug - 19 - 1944 -- Daughter of Geo. Wesley Davis and wife Sarah ("Aunt Sallie") (Amyx) Davis. Baby of ten children who lived to be grown, all with families; and the youngest one more than 55 years old before any one of them died. I was born at Rogersville, Hawkins Co., Tenn. Jan. 23-1857 - and Sarah Eliza Davis and I married December 10th 1884 and 6 children were born to us. Cora N. Parrott, Sam Neill Parrott, Winnie Davis Parrott, Lois Parrott, John H. Parrott Aug -23-1896 (Sunday 10 am) in the new home in Rogersville, Tenn. Was 50 yrs. old 1 week ago - God bless his memory! ...." In a letter to his son Thomas Robert Clark Parrott dated 14 November 1948, Thomas J. Parrott identifies his own father as Thomas J. Speck, a dentist from Rogersville, TN. He writes: "Some Ancestors of T. J. Parrott (Thos. Jas.) Born Near Rogersville, Tenn., Jan. 23d, 1857 Father - Thos. J. (Speck) Mother - Emeline (Flora) Parrott....We have a great many direct relatives, including a Speck family Dr. Thomas J. Speck, Lawrence Speck, George Speck and sister Mary Speck who married Major A. H. Pettibone & Congressman for the First Tennessee District (my uncle by marriage) the Specks all born and reared at Rogersville, Hawkins Co., Tenn." Additionally, a post confirms a Bible record for William Parrott marrying into the Flora family, not the Setzers: Author: Barbara Wilson Dooley Date: 16 Jul 2002 3:07 AM GMT Surnames: FLORA, MOSBY, PARROTT Classification: Query In Reply to: Re: FLORA FAMILY by: Susan Willis "Susan, I was just looking at a photocopy of births, marriages, and deaths from the Flora family Bible. Under the list of deaths, there is "Charlotte Parrott died Aug. 26, 1897 at her grandsons T. J. P. [T. J. Parrott] in Rogersville." The name in [ ] was written in by the owner of the Bible, Alma Flora Mosby. Here is what Alma wrote about the Bible: ". . .the Bible belonged to Rev. Joseph Flora (b. 1816) who was a Baptist minister and Civil War Chaplain. The Flora family came from Pennsylvania. . . . Charlotte Flora (c. 1814) married William Parrott (b. 1814) and died in 1897." Perhaps you have already seen this Bible record, but I'm sending it in case you haven't." The Setzer connection is a myth, period.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeB.2ACE/834.1123.1.1 Message Board Post: Thomas J. Parrott claims to be the grandson of William and Charlotte Parrott, but I've not been able to make that connection. Who was Thomas J's father? Where is that documented?