This was posted previously on a TN list, no one has ever been able to explain in a rational provable way how Native Americans going back so far in Colonial history ended up with European names. I do not believe it unrealistic to think this came from racial intermarriages in a new country where European women were scarce as hen's teeth. The information below is proven and cited for further examination. http://sciway3.net/clark/freemoors/Indian.htm The "positive" Chowan families from earliest records of at least 1730 were the Bennett, Perkins, Beasley, Hoyte/Hoyter/Hoytes, Reed & Robins. By 1800 they had also included the Martin and Weaver families. The head researcher of the Nansemond Nation, Fred Bright, is under the opinion that the Perkins, Weaver, Newton families were Chowan. At about the time of the Tuscarora War, many remnant groups were wandering back and forth across south-eastern VA, eastern NC, and northern SC. When the War broke out a band of non-hostile Tuscarora under King Blount travelled north and settled with a group of Nansemond/Nottoway/Meherrin/Cheraw living in the area between the Nottoway and Roanoke Rivers (close to the Fort Christiana site). When the War ended, these Indian families could move more freely as the last hostile tribe had been eliminated. They were settleing anywhere they could safely remain, and were especially attracted to reservated lands. Christianized, acculturated mixed-blood families descended from the once powerful Powhatan and Eastern Sioaun Nations could be found spread from the Nanticoke reserve, the Pamunkey reserve, the Nottoway reserve, the Tuscarora reserve, all the way down to the Catawba reserve. These families bore such widespread "Free person of color" surnames as Bass, George, Gibson, Going, Collins, Scott, Hathcock, Reed, Archer, Stewart, Mitchell, Perkins, Weaver, etc. etc. the 1777 land record of the tuscarora reservation of Bertie Co.NC included such family names as Allen, Basket, Blount, Cain, Cornelius, Dennis, George, Gibson, Hicks, Miller, Mitchell, Owens, Pugh, Roberts, Smith, Taylor, Thomas, Tufdick, Wheeler, Wigiins and Wineoak. The 1808 special census of the Nottoway in Southampton Co. VA included such family names as Rogers, Turner, Step, Woodson, Bartlett, and Wineoak. It would be very difficult to verify if a certain surname indicated descendancy from a specific nation....The eastern sioux (called by the group name "Cheraw" if you were in SC, "Tutelo" if you were north of VA, "Saponi" if you were in VA, or "Catawba" if you were in NC, but all referring to the same group of siouan speaking villages) were closely allied with the Chowan and a western band of the Nansemond (one historian has identified that the Nansemond were effectively broken in two by 1700, consisting of the more acculturated band around Norfolk, and a more traditional band called "Portuckee" that removed across the Meherrin)...even though the Siouan bands spoke a different language than the Algonquian Chowan and Nansemond, they intermarried and socialized extensively.... -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: TNHAWKIN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 301 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Jacob Lawson ([email protected]) 2. Re: Jacob Lawson (Bob Betty Hughes) 3. Fw: Re: Jacob Lawson (Bob Betty Hughes) 4. Re: Jacob Lawson (Margaret Mabrey) 5. Re: Jacob Lawson (Bob Betty Hughes) 6. Re: Jacob Lawson ([email protected]) 7. Cherokee Heredity (Bob Betty Hughes) 8. Re: Jacob Lawson (Bob Betty Hughes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:24:19 -0000 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: drdjones Surnames: Lawson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.count ies.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, Tennessee in 1777. http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:36:51 GMT From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson To: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" With all due respect, I do not agree with your posting. It was not always us against the Cherokees. In cases such as Betsy Ward, who is recognized by DAR and SAR as a Patriot, they tried to prevent war. As a group, the Cherokees were peaceful and very smart. Afterall, we were invading their land that they had occuppied for centuries. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: drdjones Surnames: Lawson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.count ies.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, Tennessee in 1777. http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:45:21 GMT From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> Subject: [TNHAWKIN] Fw: Re: Jacob Lawson To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Not sure my message went through to the list. Making double sure. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Betty Hughes Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:36 PM To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson With all due respect, I do not agree with your posting. It was not always us against the Cherokees. In cases such as Betsy Ward, who is recognized by DAR and SAR as a Patriot, they tried to prevent war. As a group, the Cherokees were peaceful and very smart. Afterall, we were invading their land that they had occuppied for centuries. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: drdjones Surnames: Lawson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.count ies.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, Tennessee in 1777. http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:49:31 -0500 From: "Margaret Mabrey" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Bob, I agree also with you, I know too many family lines that go back to an indian grandmother in Hawkins/Hancock co. Lots of them, like myself have photos to prove it. Correction: It was Nancy Ward, not 'Betsy'. Margaret Mabrey TNHANCOC List admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson > With all due respect, I do not agree with your posting. It was not always > us against the Cherokees. In cases such as Betsy Ward, who is recognized > by DAR and SAR as a Patriot, they tried to prevent war. As a group, the > Cherokees were peaceful and very smart. > Afterall, we were invading their land that they had occuppied for > centuries. > Bob Hughes > > "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a > trail"---Emerson > Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those > who dare to attack. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: drdjones > Surnames: Lawson > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.count ies.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian > maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional > exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very > few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most > of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and > early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors > saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee > were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could > and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to > come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was > killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, > Tennessee in 1777. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:53:56 GMT From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Glad you agree. Yes it was Nancy Ward. Her dau., Betsy mar'd my ancestor Joseph Martin. Got carried away in my despense of the Cherokees. Best wishes, Bbob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Mabrey Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson Bob, I agree also with you, I know too many family lines that go back to an indian grandmother in Hawkins/Hancock co. Lots of them, like myself have photos to prove it. Correction: It was Nancy Ward, not 'Betsy'. Margaret Mabrey TNHANCOC List admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson > With all due respect, I do not agree with your posting. It was not always > us against the Cherokees. In cases such as Betsy Ward, who is recognized > by DAR and SAR as a Patriot, they tried to prevent war. As a group, the > Cherokees were peaceful and very smart. > Afterall, we were invading their land that they had occuppied for > centuries. > Bob Hughes > > "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a > trail"---Emerson > Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those > who dare to attack. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: drdjones > Surnames: Lawson > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.count ies.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian > maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional > exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very > few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most > of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and > early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors > saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee > were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could > and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to > come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was > killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, > Tennessee in 1777. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:16:17 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I was once in touch with the late Muriel Spoden, Sullivan County historian, and her thoughts were that anyone whose ancestors date back to the 1700's or early 1800's in the E. Tennessee area, certainly would have Native American ancestors. Jane ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:09:32 GMT From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> Subject: [TNHAWKIN] Cherokee Heredity To: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The State of Franklin TNSSAR Chapter welcomes any member with Cherokee heredity to join our Chapter. I have led the chartering of Chapters in the Cumberland Gap, the, General Joseph Martin Chapter and the Watauga Chapter in Carter County, TN. Many of the GM Chapter members descend from one of Joseph's Cherokee wives. We welcome your membership. General Martin recognized te friendship of the Cherokees and without their non-support at King's Mountain, we might not have turned the tide and won the Amer. Rev. War. We seek the support of the Cherokee descendants that helped us. Best wishes, Bob Hughes, Past Pres. TNSSAR "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:50:47 GMT From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jane: You are 100% correct. Pay no attention to the drdjones posting as they have NO clue as to their message.. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson I was once in touch with the late Muriel Spoden, Sullivan County historian, and her thoughts were that anyone whose ancestors date back to the 1700's or early 1800's in the E. Tennessee area, certainly would have Native American ancestors. Jane ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the TNHAWKIN list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the TNHAWKIN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of TNHAWKIN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 301 ****************************************

The State of Franklin TNSSAR Chapter welcomes any member with Cherokee heredity to join our Chapter. I have led the chartering of Chapters in the Cumberland Gap, the, General Joseph Martin Chapter and the Watauga Chapter in Carter County, TN. Many of the GM Chapter members descend from one of Joseph's Cherokee wives. We welcome your membership. General Martin recognized te friendship of the Cherokees and without their non-support at King's Mountain, we might not have turned the tide and won the Amer. Rev. War. We seek the support of the Cherokee descendants that helped us. Best wishes, Bob Hughes, Past Pres. TNSSAR "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack.

Jane: You are 100% correct. Pay no attention to the drdjones posting as they have NO clue as to their message.. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson I was once in touch with the late Muriel Spoden, Sullivan County historian, and her thoughts were that anyone whose ancestors date back to the 1700's or early 1800's in the E. Tennessee area, certainly would have Native American ancestors. Jane ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Glad you agree. Yes it was Nancy Ward. Her dau., Betsy mar'd my ancestor Joseph Martin. Got carried away in my despense of the Cherokees. Best wishes, Bbob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Mabrey Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson Bob, I agree also with you, I know too many family lines that go back to an indian grandmother in Hawkins/Hancock co. Lots of them, like myself have photos to prove it. Correction: It was Nancy Ward, not 'Betsy'. Margaret Mabrey TNHANCOC List admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson > With all due respect, I do not agree with your posting. It was not always > us against the Cherokees. In cases such as Betsy Ward, who is recognized > by DAR and SAR as a Patriot, they tried to prevent war. As a group, the > Cherokees were peaceful and very smart. > Afterall, we were invading their land that they had occuppied for > centuries. > Bob Hughes > > "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a > trail"---Emerson > Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those > who dare to attack. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: drdjones > Surnames: Lawson > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian > maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional > exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very > few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most > of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and > early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors > saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee > were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could > and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to > come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was > killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, > Tennessee in 1777. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not sure my message went through to the list. Making double sure. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Betty Hughes Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:36 PM To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson With all due respect, I do not agree with your posting. It was not always us against the Cherokees. In cases such as Betsy Ward, who is recognized by DAR and SAR as a Patriot, they tried to prevent war. As a group, the Cherokees were peaceful and very smart. Afterall, we were invading their land that they had occuppied for centuries. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: drdjones Surnames: Lawson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, Tennessee in 1777. http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

With all due respect, I do not agree with your posting. It was not always us against the Cherokees. In cases such as Betsy Ward, who is recognized by DAR and SAR as a Patriot, they tried to prevent war. As a group, the Cherokees were peaceful and very smart. Afterall, we were invading their land that they had occuppied for centuries. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: drdjones Surnames: Lawson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, Tennessee in 1777. http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: drdjones Surnames: Lawson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, Tennessee in 1777. http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Perhaps lesser known facts include that they had the first written native language and started the first newspaper for Indians. Georgia I believe. donkelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:09 PM Subject: [TNHAWKIN] Cherokee Heredity > The State of Franklin TNSSAR Chapter welcomes any member with Cherokee > heredity to join our Chapter. I have led the chartering of Chapters in > the Cumberland Gap, the, General Joseph Martin Chapter and the Watauga > Chapter in Carter County, TN. Many of the GM Chapter members descend from > one of Joseph's Cherokee wives. We welcome your membership. General > Martin recognized te friendship of the Cherokees and without their > non-support at King's Mountain, we might not have turned the tide and won > the Amer. Rev. War. We seek the support of the Cherokee descendants that > helped us. > Best wishes, > Bob Hughes, Past Pres. > TNSSAR > > > "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a > trail"---Emerson > Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those > who dare to attack. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: > 10/29/2007 9:28 AM > >

Bob, Where is a good place to begin looking to see if your ancestors were Cherokee? I have been told my g-grandmother was part Cherokee. Eddie Goins -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Betty Hughes Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:10 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [TNHAWKIN] Cherokee Heredity The State of Franklin TNSSAR Chapter welcomes any member with Cherokee heredity to join our Chapter. I have led the chartering of Chapters in the Cumberland Gap, the, General Joseph Martin Chapter and the Watauga Chapter in Carter County, TN. Many of the GM Chapter members descend from one of Joseph's Cherokee wives. We welcome your membership. General Martin recognized te friendship of the Cherokees and without their non-support at King's Mountain, we might not have turned the tide and won the Amer. Rev. War. We seek the support of the Cherokee descendants that helped us. Best wishes, Bob Hughes, Past Pres. TNSSAR "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was once in touch with the late Muriel Spoden, Sullivan County historian, and her thoughts were that anyone whose ancestors date back to the 1700's or early 1800's in the E. Tennessee area, certainly would have Native American ancestors. Jane ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

This was posted previously on a TN list, no one has ever been able to explain in a rational provable way how Native Americans going back so far in Colonial history ended up with European names. I do not believe it unrealistic to think this came from racial intermarriages in a new country where European women were scarce as hen’s teeth. The information below is proven and cited for further examination. http://sciway3.net/clark/freemoors/Indian.htm The "positive" Chowan families from earliest records of at least 1730 were the Bennett, Perkins, Beasley, Hoyte/Hoyter/Hoytes, Reed & Robins. By 1800 they had also included the Martin and Weaver families. The head researcher of the Nansemond Nation, Fred Bright, is under the opinion that the Perkins, Weaver, Newton families were Chowan. At about the time of the Tuscarora War, many remnant groups were wandering back and forth across south-eastern VA, eastern NC, and northern SC. When the War broke out a band of non-hostile Tuscarora under King Blount travelled north and settled with a group of Nansemond/Nottoway/Meherrin/Cheraw living in the area between the Nottoway and Roanoke Rivers (close to the Fort Christiana site). When the War ended, these Indian families could move more freely as the last hostile tribe had been eliminated. They were settleing anywhere they could safely remain, and were especially attracted to reservated lands. Christianized, acculturated mixed-blood families descended from the once powerful Powhatan and Eastern Sioaun Nations could be found spread from the Nanticoke reserve, the Pamunkey reserve, the Nottoway reserve, the Tuscarora reserve, all the way down to the Catawba reserve. These families bore such widespread "Free person of color" surnames as Bass, George, Gibson, Going, Collins, Scott, Hathcock, Reed, Archer, Stewart, Mitchell, Perkins, Weaver, etc. etc. the 1777 land record of the tuscarora reservation of Bertie Co.NC included such family names as Allen, Basket, Blount, Cain, Cornelius, Dennis, George, Gibson, Hicks, Miller, Mitchell, Owens, Pugh, Roberts, Smith, Taylor, Thomas, Tufdick, Wheeler, Wigiins and Wineoak. The 1808 special census of the Nottoway in Southampton Co. VA included such family names as Rogers, Turner, Step, Woodson, Bartlett, and Wineoak. It would be very difficult to verify if a certain surname indicated descendancy from a specific nation....The eastern sioux (called by the group name "Cheraw" if you were in SC, "Tutelo" if you were north of VA, "Saponi" if you were in VA, or "Catawba" if you were in NC, but all referring to the same group of siouan speaking villages) were closely allied with the Chowan and a western band of the Nansemond (one historian has identified that the Nansemond were effectively broken in two by 1700, consisting of the more acculturated band around Norfolk, and a more traditional band called "Portuckee" that removed across the Meherrin)...even though the Siouan bands spoke a different language than the Algonquian Chowan and Nansemond, they intermarried and socialized extensively.... This is fascinating reading – about the Native Americans found first by Spaniards, then French, then English – and gives a lot of names of “explorers.” As the timeline progresses there is a lot of info in the Cherokee. AND there were whites in the Atlantic Coast region from VA to FL from the 1500s. http://www.jgoins.com/webtimeline.htm === 1733 In 1730, many Saponi left Virginia to reside with the Catawbas, were not happy and returned to Virginia in 1733, accompanied by some Cheraws. 1526 Lucas Vasquez de Ayllon, with six vessals carrying five hundred men and women, and eighty to ninety fine horses arrived at present-day North Carolina and Virginiain vicinity of Albemarle Sound and Chesapeake Bay. "Of the five hundred colonists who went on the 1526 expedition, only one hundred fifty returned safely to the Indies. The number who remained in the interior of present-day North Carolina and Virginia is not known, however, that they survived and reproduced is a certainty Reference to non-Indian peoples residing in the vicinity of the Albemarle /Pamlico/Chesapeake Bay area was made by other Europeans of a later date, i.e. The English of Raleigh's venture and Captain John Smith of the Jamestown Colony." Eloy J. Gallegos "The Melungeons." 1539 When Baltasar de Gallegos came into the open field,he discovered ten or eleven Indians, among whom was a Christian, naked and sun-burnt, his arms tattooed after their manner, and he in no respect differing from them. As soon as the horsemen came in sight, they ran upon the Indians, who fled, hiding themselves in a thicket, though not before two or three of them were overtaken and wounded. The Christian, seeing a horseman coming upon him with a lance, began to cry out: " Do not kill me, cavalier; I am a Christian! Do not slay these people; they have given me my life! " Directly he called to the Indians, putting them out of fear, when they left the wood and came to him. The horsemen took up the Christian and Indians behind them on their beasts, and, greatly rejoicing, got back to the Governor at nightfall. When he and the rest who had remained in camp heard the news, they were no less pleased than the others http://www.floridahistory.com/elvas1.html 1562 In April, 1562, two French vessels commanded by Jean Ribault arrived in Port Royal Sound on the coast of present-day South Carolina. The French Huguenots aboard those ships were searching for a place to establish a colony free of the religious persecution they suffered in France. Ribault built a fort, Charlesfort (located somewhere on Port Royal Sound), and left a garrison of 27 men in it while he returned to France for supplies and additional colonists. Ribault's return was delayed by civil war in France, and soon tiring of the desolation at Port Royal, the men left in Charlesfort mutinied, killed their commander, and returned to France in a boat they constructed. A year later, a second French expediton led by René Goulaine de Laudonnière established a new French outpost, Fort Caroline, on the St. Johns River near present-day Jacksonville, Florida. http://www.cas.sc.edu/sciaa/staff/depratterc/hstory1.html 1566 Spanish Fort was erected on Beaufort River. Pardo and his men built no less than four forts and two settlement towns in the interior, and as late as the later part of the sixteenth century, those Spaniards, Pardo's men and their families were still living in the general area where their captain stationed them--more than three hundred miles in the interior of the present-day Southeastern United States. Gallegos. 1571 Note: Skwan'-digu' gun' yi: For Askwan'-digu' gun'yl, "Where the Spanish is in the water," on Soco creek, just above the entrance of Wright's creek, in Jackson county. According to tradition a party of Spaniards advancing into the mountains was attacked here by the Cherokee, who threw one of them (dead?) into the stream. "Myths of the Cherokee" James Mooney Fr. Rogel, while taking part in the belated relief expedition to Ajacan in August 1572, wrote the following account: "Father Master Baptista [Segura] sent a message by a novice Brother on two occasions to the renegade. Don Luis would never come, and [the Jesuits] stayed there in great distress, for they had no one by whom they could make themselves understood to the Indians.. They got along as best they could, going to other villages to barter for maize with copper and tin, until the beginning of February. The boy [Alonso] says that each day Father Baptista caused prayers to be said for Don Luis, saying that the devil held him in great deception. As he had twice sent for him and he had not come, he decided to send Father Quiros and Brother Gabriel de Solis and Brother Juan Baptista to the village of the chief near where Don Luis was staying. Thus they could take Don Luis along with them and barter for maize on the way back. On the Sunday after the Feast of the Purification, Don Luis came to the three Jesuits who were returning with other Indians. He sent an arrow through the heart of Father Quiros and then murdered the rest..." http://www.seattlecatholic.com/article_20030830.html 1576 Only a few months after the Spanish settlement of Santa Elena was abandoned in the summer of 1576, a French ship, Le Prince, wrecked in Port Royal Sound. This ship carried a large contingent of Frenchmen who may have been intent on resettling Port Royal Sound. The survivors of the wreck built a fort on high ground, and soon they were viciously attacked by Indians who thought they were Spaniards. Once the Frenchmen were able to establish their identity, the Indians befriended them and took them to their villages. http://www.cas.sc.edu/sciaa/staff/depratterc/hstory2.html 1584 Captain Barlowe took note of the people with yellowish coloring, fine auburn and chestnut colored hair. Barlowe mentions a particular kingdom called Sequotan (Secotan) which is a peninsula located between Albemarle Sound and Pamlico Sound. His account tells of "white" people, "whom the countrey people preserved." "Frances Yeardley many years later found large group of Spaniards residing very comfortable among a great nation called the Newxes (Neuse)" Gallegos 1670 Tributary Indians of Virginia, all bowman or hunters Nansemond County 45; Surrey County, Powchayicks 30 and Weyenoakes 15; Charles City County, Men Heyricks 50; Nottoways (two towns) 90; Appomattox 50. Henrico County, Manachees 30; Powhites 10; New Kent County, Pamunkeys 50; Chickahominies 60; Mattaponeys 20; Rappahnnocks 30; Totaschus 40; Gloucester, Chiskoyackes 15; Rappahannock, Portobaccoes both 60; Nazcattico and Mattehatique both 50; Northumberland County, Wickacomico 70; Westmoreland County, Appomattox 10. 1670 The "Jesuit Relations" of 1670 says the Shawnee lived some distance to the southeast of Illinois, which puts them in Kentucky or Tennessee. 1670 German traveler, John Lederer, went from the falls of the James river to the Catawha country in South Carolina, following for most of the distance the path used by the Virginia traders, who already had regular dealings with the southern tribes, including probably the Cherokee. Mooney "History, Myths, and Sacred Formulas of the Cherokees." ======== -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: TNHAWKIN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 301 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Jacob Lawson ([email protected]) 2. Re: Jacob Lawson (Bob Betty Hughes) 3. Fw: Re: Jacob Lawson (Bob Betty Hughes) 4. Re: Jacob Lawson (Margaret Mabrey) 5. Re: Jacob Lawson (Bob Betty Hughes) 6. Re: Jacob Lawson ([email protected]) 7. Cherokee Heredity (Bob Betty Hughes) 8. Re: Jacob Lawson (Bob Betty Hughes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:24:19 -0000 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: drdjones Surnames: Lawson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.count ies.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, Tennessee in 1777. http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:36:51 GMT From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson To: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" With all due respect, I do not agree with your posting. It was not always us against the Cherokees. In cases such as Betsy Ward, who is recognized by DAR and SAR as a Patriot, they tried to prevent war. As a group, the Cherokees were peaceful and very smart. Afterall, we were invading their land that they had occuppied for centuries. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: drdjones Surnames: Lawson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.count ies.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, Tennessee in 1777. http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:45:21 GMT From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> Subject: [TNHAWKIN] Fw: Re: Jacob Lawson To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Not sure my message went through to the list. Making double sure. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Betty Hughes Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:36 PM To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson With all due respect, I do not agree with your posting. It was not always us against the Cherokees. In cases such as Betsy Ward, who is recognized by DAR and SAR as a Patriot, they tried to prevent war. As a group, the Cherokees were peaceful and very smart. Afterall, we were invading their land that they had occuppied for centuries. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: drdjones Surnames: Lawson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.count ies.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, Tennessee in 1777. http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:49:31 -0500 From: "Margaret Mabrey" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Bob, I agree also with you, I know too many family lines that go back to an indian grandmother in Hawkins/Hancock co. Lots of them, like myself have photos to prove it. Correction: It was Nancy Ward, not 'Betsy'. Margaret Mabrey TNHANCOC List admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson > With all due respect, I do not agree with your posting. It was not always > us against the Cherokees. In cases such as Betsy Ward, who is recognized > by DAR and SAR as a Patriot, they tried to prevent war. As a group, the > Cherokees were peaceful and very smart. > Afterall, we were invading their land that they had occuppied for > centuries. > Bob Hughes > > "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a > trail"---Emerson > Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those > who dare to attack. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: drdjones > Surnames: Lawson > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.count ies.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian > maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional > exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very > few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most > of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and > early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors > saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee > were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could > and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to > come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was > killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, > Tennessee in 1777. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:53:56 GMT From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Glad you agree. Yes it was Nancy Ward. Her dau., Betsy mar'd my ancestor Joseph Martin. Got carried away in my despense of the Cherokees. Best wishes, Bbob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Mabrey Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson Bob, I agree also with you, I know too many family lines that go back to an indian grandmother in Hawkins/Hancock co. Lots of them, like myself have photos to prove it. Correction: It was Nancy Ward, not 'Betsy'. Margaret Mabrey TNHANCOC List admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson > With all due respect, I do not agree with your posting. It was not always > us against the Cherokees. In cases such as Betsy Ward, who is recognized > by DAR and SAR as a Patriot, they tried to prevent war. As a group, the > Cherokees were peaceful and very smart. > Afterall, we were invading their land that they had occuppied for > centuries. > Bob Hughes > > "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a > trail"---Emerson > Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those > who dare to attack. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: drdjones > Surnames: Lawson > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.count ies.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian > maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional > exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very > few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most > of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and > early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors > saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee > were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could > and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to > come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was > killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, > Tennessee in 1777. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:16:17 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I was once in touch with the late Muriel Spoden, Sullivan County historian, and her thoughts were that anyone whose ancestors date back to the 1700's or early 1800's in the E. Tennessee area, certainly would have Native American ancestors. Jane ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:09:32 GMT From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> Subject: [TNHAWKIN] Cherokee Heredity To: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The State of Franklin TNSSAR Chapter welcomes any member with Cherokee heredity to join our Chapter. I have led the chartering of Chapters in the Cumberland Gap, the, General Joseph Martin Chapter and the Watauga Chapter in Carter County, TN. Many of the GM Chapter members descend from one of Joseph's Cherokee wives. We welcome your membership. General Martin recognized te friendship of the Cherokees and without their non-support at King's Mountain, we might not have turned the tide and won the Amer. Rev. War. We seek the support of the Cherokee descendants that helped us. Best wishes, Bob Hughes, Past Pres. TNSSAR "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:50:47 GMT From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jane: You are 100% correct. Pay no attention to the drdjones posting as they have NO clue as to their message.. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson I was once in touch with the late Muriel Spoden, Sullivan County historian, and her thoughts were that anyone whose ancestors date back to the 1700's or early 1800's in the E. Tennessee area, certainly would have Native American ancestors. 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Bob, I agree also with you, I know too many family lines that go back to an indian grandmother in Hawkins/Hancock co. Lots of them, like myself have photos to prove it. Correction: It was Nancy Ward, not 'Betsy'. Margaret Mabrey TNHANCOC List admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Betty Hughes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson > With all due respect, I do not agree with your posting. It was not always > us against the Cherokees. In cases such as Betsy Ward, who is recognized > by DAR and SAR as a Patriot, they tried to prevent war. As a group, the > Cherokees were peaceful and very smart. > Afterall, we were invading their land that they had occuppied for > centuries. > Bob Hughes > > "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a > trail"---Emerson > Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those > who dare to attack. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Lawson > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: drdjones > Surnames: Lawson > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.hawkins/2784.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > This is my own belief after reading the historical evidence. The Indian > maiden stories were mostly untrue--a romantic fantasy--with occasional > exceptions like the Sizemores. The DNA data suggests that there are very > few Indian descendents among white settlers of the tri-state area. Most > of the Indian maiden stories originated during the very late 1800s and > early 1900s when the Guion-Miller Roll was being assembled. Our ancestors > saw $$ signs. During the life of Jacob Lawson the Indians in Tennessee > were very unfriendly to white settlers. They killed them when they could > and vice versa. You only have to look at the newspapers of the time to > come to that conclusion. Remember that Davey Crockett's grandfather was > killed by the Cherokee/Creek Indians near Rogersville in Hawkins County, > Tennessee in 1777. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnnews/index.html > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: frozenflea Surnames: Norton/Pierce Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.hawkins/9353/mb.ashx Message Board Post: looking for information on my great-great grandparents. Thomas Norton is supposed to have been killed in the CW and buried in Hawkins County, Tennessee. His wife was Sadie Pierce who had a brother named Clint. A family Bible has his birth as 1841 in Hawkins County. The Pierces may have been from Campbell County. thanks in advance, dan norton Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CarolVass Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.hawkins/9352.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Jack, Which son of Francis Berry/Esther M. Day are you descended from? [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: brendaphenis1 Surnames: baker phenis amis Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.hawkins/2784.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I KNOW THIS IS A LONG SHOT WE HAVE ALOT OF AMIS S IN MY FAMILY TREE DO YOU KNOW IF THEY WHERE NATIVE AMERICAN THENK YOUY BRENDA BAKER PHENIS [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JGeneraux1196 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.hawkins/9352.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks, I do show a Hannah born in 1785 in TN -- (f)John Day and (m)Esther Drennin (2nd wife). There is a lot of information on John, who participated as a scout in the Revolutionary war. U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006 about John Day Name:John Day Service Info.:ENSIGN US ARMY REVOLUTIONARY WAR Birth Date:30 Jun 1742 Death Date:4 Dec 1833 Cemetery:Bent Creek Cemetery Cemetery Address:Hamblen County Etowah, TN 37331 Thanks again, Jack Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Niem1222 Surnames: Day, Berry, McGee Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.hawkins/9352.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I believe your Esther Day was an sister to my 4th Grandmother, Hannah Day. Hannah married a Thomas Berry and they named one of her daughters Easter/Esther. Easter was born in Mountain Valley, Hawkins County, Tennessee in 1813. Easter married Robert McGee. Melba McGee Niemuth, [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JGeneraux1196 Surnames: Berry Day Vogin Belcher Messinger Birchfield Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.tennessee.counties.hawkins/9352/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for information on my 3rd Great Grandmother -- "Easter Mehettibelle (Hettie)" Day was b. before 1796 and married (1) 1812 in Tennessee Francis Patrick Berry; moved after 1823 to vicinity of Alton, Madison County, Illinois; her first husband died there; moved prior to 1840 to southwest Missouri later Stone County; during Civil War moved to Troy Kansas; married (2) Thomas Vogin (3) James [should be Isham] Belcher (4) Talcutt Messenger. Her children were listed as (a) Joseph Berry b. 1814; living Swan township Taney County in 1850; moved to Berryville, Arkansas (b) Patrick C. "Pad" Berry b. 1817 in Tennessee (details) (c) Alexander Berry b. 4 November 1820 in Tennessee m. 1 July 1841 Phoebe Birchfield. He became a farmer in Stone County until 1857 when he moved to Troy, Doniphan County, Kansas, where he served in County A of the 13th Kansas Volunteer Infantry. He d. 13 April 1865.[6] From: Descendants of Christopher Day of Bucks Cty, Pa. by L. F. Day, 1976 Any help is appreciated. Thanks Jack Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This URL _http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/62/8FranklinCounties.png_ (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/62/8FranklinCounties.png) will take you to a very interesting Webb site regarding the State of Franklin. Has a map the State of Franklin including the counties. Spencer was what the area that is now Hawkins was then called. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Melinda: DAR. SAR, & CAR are all in this togather. This is our "mission" to presereve our history. It is certainly not be done in our education system. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: Melinda Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Children of Jacob Wilson Manes Good luck - maybe some DAR members, too! If anyone needs help joining DAR, let me know off list, maybe I can help. Melinda Bob Betty Hughes <[email protected]> wrote: Melinda: Excellent info. Thanks. Hope we can find some SAR members from Seth's sons. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: Melinda Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Children of Jacob Wilson Manes Here is what I know about the children of Jacob Wilson Manes: (I hope it helps) With his wife, Mary "Polly" Lawson: Wade Manes b. 1806-1813 in TN, d. near Platte River, MO, m. Martha ? William Bryson Maners, b. 25 Dec 1808 in TN, d. 27 Jun 1894, Spencer, Owen Co, IN, m. Eleanor Burch Walker Calloway Hodges Manes, b. Jan 1809, Hawkins Co, TN, d. 7 Aug 1864, Pulaski Co, MO (murdered by "bushwhackers"), m. Sarah Evans James Lust Maners, b. 22 Mar 1812, prob Hawkins Co, TN, d. 21 Sep 1902, Spencer, Owen Co, IN, m. Susannah Layman Seth Manes, 26 Jan 1814, Hawkins Co, TN, d. ca 15 Jun 1896, Pulaski Co, MO, m. 1st Rebecca Evans, m. 2nd Nancy York Manes Nicholas Maners, b. 29 Dec 1819, Hawkins Co, TN, d. 27 Jun 1889, Spencer, Owen Co, IN, m. Esther Ann Landrum Charlotte Maners, b. 20 Mar 1825, d. bet 1861-1881, Spencer, Owen Co, IN, married George Washington Britton Sr Minerva Jane Maners, b. 1830, Spencer, Owen Co, IN(?), d. ca 1920, Bloomfield, IN, m. George Washington Britton Jr. Jacob Wilson Maners, Jr, b. 29 Mar 1831, d. 31 Mar 1884, Owen Co, IN, m. Martha Jane Findlay Layman Mahala Maners, Nov 1833, Owen Co, IN, m. Thomas Milan Hersheba Maners, b. 1834, Owen Co, INdied very young Susan B. Maners, b. 1836, Owen Co, IN, died very young Children by Emeline Hice Evans: Rachel Manes, b. 1838, Missouri Samuel Jasper Manes, b. 29 Jan 1840, Miller Co, MO, d. 21 Feb 1926, Pulaski Co, MO, m. 1st Abigail Lane, 2nd Margarete Ann Reed, 3rd Mary F. Burhans, 4th Lucinda Long Elizabeth Manes, b. ca 1843, MO Eliza Manes, b. ca 1845, MO Atheline Manes, b. ca 1849, MO There was also supposedly a son, Shadrach, by a first (unknown name) wife. Melinda Bob Betty Hughes wrote: Melinda: The names of Jacob Wilson Manes' children would be helpful. Thanks. Bob Hughes "Do not go where the path may lead; Go where there is no path and leave a trail"---Emerson Opportunities never come to those who wait...they are captured by those who dare to attack. -----Original Message----- From: Melinda Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNHAWKIN] Jacob Wilson Manis, son of Seth What information do you need about Jacob Wilson Manes? Bob Betty Hughes wrote: Does anyone on the list have any info on Jacob Wilson Manis, son of Seth, born ca 1780 NC and mar' Mary Jane Beville(Lawson)? 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