Susan, Thanks for the information. When did Stephen Gilbert marry a Turner? Guess I need to go back and look at the chart. Which Whitlow Cemetery are you referring to? There are only two marked graves in the Milton Whitlow Cemetery, Milton and his wife, Sarah Wade Whitlow and 4, Mary I. Duckworth, M. A. Martin, Annie Patterrson and Nancy F. Turner ( wife of Jesse Turner) in the Henderson Whitlow Cemetery (Martin Cemetery in the Cemetery Census). There are three limestone lined and capped graves in the last mentioned cemetery. One is M. A. Martin, the other two are not marked with a name. I had supposed that they were the graves of Henderson Whitlow who died in 1841 and his son Granville, who died in 1849. The Cemetery is located on an original Land Grant to Henderson Whitlow. Going through the census records, I see that the Turner that Stephen Gilbert married was the widow(?) of William Turner. So if James Turner had a daughter that married a Gilbert, then it must be Milly or Molly who married Joseph Gilbert? What do you think? David _________________________________________________ 1850 Census, Hardin Co., TN 88-88 William Turner 34 NC farmer 2 ND C. D. Mary Ann 29 NC James A. 10 TN Josiah 8 TN Senera A. 6 TN John W. 4 TN Mary I. 2 TN 93-93 John Turner 34 NC farmer 2nd C. D. Elizabeth A. 27 TN Jesse S. 6 TN William A. 3 TN Margaret M. 1 TN 94-94 Joseph Gilbert ___ NC farmer 2nd C. D. Milly 34 NC Martha A. 9 NC Eliza A. 7 NC 98-98 James Turner 60 NC farmer 2 nd C. D. Senera Turner 63 NC 99-99 Jesse Mitchell 58 NC farmer 2 nc C. D. Mary 58 NC Eleanor 32 TN Jesse 10 AL John 8 AL Maria Sanders 35 KY (future wife of Stephen Gilbert, see 1860) Mary 14 AL Margaret(?) 8 AL William 5 AL Charlotte 2 TN 155-155 Stephen Gilbert 37 NC farmer 2nd C. D. Jane 38 NC Mary E. 9 NC Elizabeth 8 NC William E. 7 NC Eleanor 5 NC Creasy M. 3 MS John 1 TN Jane E. 1 TN William Smith 68 NC ________________________________________________ 1860 Census, Hardin Co., TN 1600 Elender Mitchell 40 TN farmer, 14th C. D. Jesse 20 AL John 19 AL Mary 70 NC Nancy C. Sounders 12 TN (Saunders/Sanders?) 1604 Willaim Turner 45 NC farmer 14th C. D. Mary 40 NC James 20 TN Josiah 18 TN Tenina 16 TN John 14 TN Mary 12 TN Nancy 10 TN Martha 6 TN William 6/12 TN 1605 Jesse Turner 40 NC farmer 14th C. D. Nancy 44 TN James 12 MS William 11 MS Mary 9 MS Susan 3 TN 1606 James Turner 67 NC farmer, 14th C. D. Serina 69 NC Catherine Smith 20 NC laborer Rachel 8 TN 1607 Elizabeth Turner 35 TN farmer , 14th C. D., (widow of John) Jesse 15 TN William 14 TN Margaret 10 TN James 8 TN John 5 TN 1609 Stephen Gilbert 47 NC farmer 14th C. D. Miriah 46 KY (apparently Miriah Mitchell Sanders) Mary 19 NC Elizabeth 18 NC Edna 17 NC Ellen 15 NC Cresa 13 MS John 11 TN Joseph 8 TN (first child of Stephen and Miriah?) Susanna 6 TN Samantha 3 TN Margaret Sanders 18 AL __________________________________________________ 1870 Census, Hardin C0., TN 014 Steven Gilbert 56 NC farmer 2nd C. D. Mary 51 NC (Widow of William Turner see 1860 census above) Crissy 22 MS John 21 TN Joseph 16 TN Susan 14 TN Samantha 12 TN Nancy 19 TN (child of William and Mary Turner) Martha 16 TN " William M. 11 TN " ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: Re: Turner/Gilbert families Let's see if we can get things straightened out a bit. Stephen Gilbert was married three times. (1) Jane Smith d/o William Smith per death certificate in hand (2) Mariah Turner d/o James Turner and Serena Smith per Ada Bruce Gilbert who remembers her Grandmother's maiden name as Turner (3) Mary A. Mitchell per death certificate (of her son Joseph) and family Bible. I don't know anything about the Milly that married, the supposed brother, of Stephen. He was Joseph W. Gilbert. The daughter of Stephen Gilbert, Elander Sarah "Ellen" Gilbert ( I have her death cert) married William Merin Alexander, son of Josiah ALexander and Elizabeth Harrell. Yes, William was born June 1841 in Hardin County and died there October 27, 1924. Ellen died February 3, 1915 and is buried at Whitlow "Graveyard". They had seven children. An interesting side note: Wm and Ellen's marriage was preformed by his Uncle, D.S. Harrell, the brother of Elizabeth Harrell. Do you know the location of this cemetery? I want to walk it when we go to Hardin County in a couple of weeks. By any chance do you know of a motel in Savannah? I need to find one that will except dogs. Thanks in advance. The Gilberts and Alexanders cross again. John A Gilbert's (son of Stephen) wife, Susan Caroline Alexander is the first cousin to William Merin Alexander, above. I have information on the other Stephen Gilbert children also. Susan G ********************* On the 1850 of Stephen Gilbert, the child was Jane E not James E. They were twins. Jane died when she was under 2 years of age. Her mother died about 1852, I'm guessing there may have been some problem with the twins delivery. My line comes from her twin, John Andrew Gilbert. Susan ************************************ Thanks for the information. The Jane that Stephen Gilbert married was, Jane Smith. I have the death certificate of their daughter, Elander Sarah "Ellen" Gilbert Alexander. It states that her mother's name was Jane Smith. In the 1850 census, her father is living with the family, William. I can find no further information on him or who is wife was. Susan