Nena, I think Hardin County voted about 3 to 1 to remain in the Union, but the State didn't, so there went Hardin Co. I don't think that that translates into Hardin County being mostly Union. I think the numbers of solders might be about 3 to 1 in the other direction. There were 6 regiments with 10 companies of Confederates from Hardin County while there were 3 regiments with 6 companies of Union troops raised in Hardin Co. This doesn't give us a number that you can exactly put your finger on. The 2nd Mounted was stationed at Clifton and operated mostly in Middle Tennessee and while at home tended to pick on the Confederate families. Both Biffle and the First Confederate Cavalry spent much time in Hardin and Wayne Co. However, Bert Hays and his company from Wilson's Cavalry (apparently on their own accord) decided to defend the Confederate population in this area. "Buggar Saga" gives Bert credit for killing just about everyone in this area who died as the result of guerilla activities during the war. Burt was No. 1 on the most wanted list of guerillas, but never brought to trial after the war. However, he was bushwhacked in 1866. David > David and Mary Hollis Franks, > > Mary you say most of the county was Union? That is exactly opposite of > what > this book says. "a few Union sympathizers". > >>From what I gather from the book he gives maybe not quite equal > representation of BOTH sides having a "bad" or "gang" renegade regiment > going around raping, pillaging and plundering. > > But that those of Clifton were some of the worst. And he gives a list of > men...and NO my ancestor J.W. wasn't on that list...but surly somewhere > there is a record of him being there... or how else would you have known > that both George and Jordan were there David? I mean I know one was in > co. > B...but that bunch in Clifton was made up of men from several outfits. > > I loaned my book to my mother...but was reading today, near page 125, he > gives reference to another manuscript written by another author that was > unpublished. Linda something or other. Anybody got a clue about this? > > Are there any other books on the subject and the area? > > Nena > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.14/1247 - Release Date: > 1/28/2008 10:59 AM > >

Perhaps I might add my two cents about the political leanings of Hardin County. As I recall from my research and numerous readings, only two states allowed citizens to vote on secession, Virginia & Tennessee. The decision of the other Southern states on whether to seceed or not rested solely with their elected representatives. I may stand corrected but that is my understanding. I believe both Tennessee and Virginia citizens voted by a 2 to 1 margin initially voted against secession. Then, after Lincoln "requested' 75,000 volunteers to supress the secession and ordered the states (including Tenn and VA) still in the union that they would have to provide the 75,000 volunteers and also pay for it, then Tenn and VA had severe heartburn, so had a new vote and the consensus reversed to 2 to 1 in favor of secession. It needs to be remembered that Southern states especially regarded their borders and soverignty to be sacrocinct. Both states (TN & VA) realized that since their combined borders reached from the Atlantic Ocean to the Mississippi River and that Lincoln was effectively ordering that their states would be invaded and occupied by outside forces, the commonly despised north. Please bear in mind that the all Southern states, including Tennessee, had been demonized by New England interests for various reasons for decades and a great antipathy existed between the regions, even predating The Revolutionary War. These sectional differences included religion, the rights of states to handle their affairs, cultural, acquisition of new western territories, acquisition of Southern resources to the benefit of the north, general slander by northern newspapers, northern instigation of deadly slave rebellions, abusive tariffs for northern benefit, and of course slavery. This is a simple statement of fact. To say this war was solely caused by slavery is simplistic, and false. The issues that existed in the entire nation, the state of Tennessee , the South and in Hardin County are complicated and encompass all of the above mentioned areas, and more......... I believe that neither Tenn or VA would accept an invasion of their fellow Southern states over their borders. Don't forget that Southern states, including Tenn and VA, highly valued their independence and their borders. Although some counties of both Tenn and VA were fairly strong unionist counties, by large it was a 2 or 3 to 1 vote to seceed. I might add that the states of ARK, NC, TN and VA seceeded only after Lincoln ordered his invasion. But for Lincoln's agressive tendancies, the Confederacy would likely have died on the vine. I believe that the citizenry of Hardin County pretty much followed the state as a whole and although initially desiring to remain in the union, after Lincoln ordered the invasion of their state and fellow Southern states on May 6, 1861, they became incensed and rose up in pretty much enmasse to resist an invasion of their state. One must look at the time frame as to whether Hardin Countanians supported the union or the Confederacy. Lincoln's orders to invade Tennessee was the watershed. So, I guess if one wants to gauge what Hardin Countanians wanted to do about the war you would have to look at whether it was before or after Lincoln ordered the invasion and subjugation of their state. And about myraid other sectional and personal reasons. Just my opinion but I believe pretty factual. Gene Wade ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Cagle" <dcagle1@charter.net> To: <tnhardin@rootsweb.com>; <tnwayne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [TNHARDIN] [TNWAYNE] the Buggar Saga > Nena, > I think Hardin County voted about 3 to 1 to remain in the Union, but the > State didn't, so there went Hardin Co. I don't think that that translates > into Hardin County being mostly Union. I think the numbers of solders > might > be about 3 to 1 in the other direction. There were 6 regiments with 10 > companies of Confederates from Hardin County while there were 3 regiments > with 6 companies of Union troops raised in Hardin Co. This doesn't give > us > a number that you can exactly put your finger on. > > The 2nd Mounted was stationed at Clifton and operated mostly in Middle > Tennessee and while at home tended to pick on the Confederate families. > Both Biffle and the First Confederate Cavalry spent much time in Hardin > and > Wayne Co. However, Bert Hays and his company from Wilson's Cavalry > (apparently on their own accord) decided to defend the Confederate > population in this area. "Buggar Saga" gives Bert credit for killing just > about everyone in this area who died as the result of guerilla activities > during the war. Burt was No. 1 on the most wanted list of guerillas, but > never brought to trial after the war. However, he was bushwhacked in > 1866. > > David > > >> David and Mary Hollis Franks, >> >> Mary you say most of the county was Union? That is exactly opposite of >> what >> this book says. "a few Union sympathizers". >> >>>From what I gather from the book he gives maybe not quite equal >> representation of BOTH sides having a "bad" or "gang" renegade regiment >> going around raping, pillaging and plundering. >> >> But that those of Clifton were some of the worst. And he gives a list of >> men...and NO my ancestor J.W. wasn't on that list...but surly somewhere >> there is a record of him being there... or how else would you have known >> that both George and Jordan were there David? I mean I know one was in >> co. >> B...but that bunch in Clifton was made up of men from several outfits. >> >> I loaned my book to my mother...but was reading today, near page 125, he >> gives reference to another manuscript written by another author that was >> unpublished. Linda something or other. Anybody got a clue about this? >> >> Are there any other books on the subject and the area? >> >> Nena >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNWAYNE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.14/1247 - Release Date: >> 1/28/2008 10:59 AM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNHARDIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message