I am interested in the names of the wife and children of the James Hardin found in the 1820 Hardin Co., TN census. I appreciate your time and effort. Barbara

Right is about half way between Coffee Landing and Morris Chapel in Hardin County TN. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Swift" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [TNHARDIN] Upcoming Reunion - Ed Holley's Store > To all who are interestered: > > The chicken and egg business run by farm women must have been going on for > as long as this country has been in existence. Both of my grandmothers and > my mother traded chickens and eggs for essentials they couldn't grow or > raise on the farm. I remember mother trading eggs and chickens in the 30's, > and my dad told of riding a mule to the store with a dozen eggs that my > grandmother had placed in a flour sack. > > The peddler would come through once a week and he carried all sorts of > things including toys. Even when we children didn't have any money to > spend, we still enjoyed entering the truck and just looking at all the > goodies. > > Where is Right, TN? > > Betty (Duke) Swift > > > ==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > >

This message is being forwarded to the list by the listowner. If you can add something to the message below or wish to contact the person who wrote the message, reply to "Charlene Johnson" <[email protected]>. Please do not reply to the listowner. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: Thrasher/Farris > HELP! I am searching for information on my great-grandparents, Jerry Clements and Minnie Farris Thrasher. I found them in the 1910 Hardin County census, and I know sometime after my grandfather, Albert, was born in 1915 they moved to Arkansas. I have no information on Jerry or Minnie's parents. Is anyone out there related that can give me some info? THANKS > Charlene Johnson > >

Hello David: This story brought back some old memories. Some of my family lines were in Hardin County early on, but my Morris/Hunt line moved up to Madison and then Gibson county. I was raised out in the country from Humboldt, grew up there in the 1940s and early 1950s. Your story reminded me of our insurance agent back then, he was with a company from Nashville, and they made the rounds collecting the insurance premiums every month, or maybe more often, can't remember for sure. Anyway he would come by our house early on saturday mornings, and sometimes I caught a ride with him to Humboldt, but it wasn't a straight trip to town, he would wind around thru the country collecting the premiums. At many of the houses, he would bring back eggs, a live chicken, duck, goose, or other farm produce, he even had a coop in the trunk of that old Plymouth for the live things. That was a heck of a way to do business I thought at the time, but he was helping the people and making a living for himself I guess. About the candy and things back in the 1940s, there were about the same as we have now, but one thing I remember, those old country stores were like ovens in the summer time, and the candy probably didn't have as much preservatives as now, and with that heat the candy didn't keep as long. Nothing like breaking one of those babe ruth bars and finding worms inside, but you did learn to check them out. Regards, Red Anthony, Arkansas >From: "David Cagle" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [TNHARDIN] Upcoming Reunion - Ed Holley's Store >Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:14:21 -0500 > >Farm families traded eggs and chickens for what ever they needed. In >1950, >an egg would buy a bar of candy, a cold drink or a dip of ice cream. >Around Christmas time eggs might be worth a dollar a dozen or more, perhaps >as much as 10 cents each. > >In the 50's and 60's, some stores sent a truck (Peddling Truck or Peddler) >out through the country side and sold items and in return took cash or eggs >and chickens. Trucks from the produce companies would come by the stores >about once a week and deliver items and take the eggs and chickens. I lost >track after that, I don't know where they went---to the large cities I >imagine. > >I don't know Ed Holley nor know where his store was. > >David > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "S Lee" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 9:49 AM >Subject: [TNHARDIN] Upcoming Reunion - Ed Holley's Store > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > Once again, I am planning our annual reunion and I need your help! :o) > > > > First of all, everyone in our family seems to have memories of Ed >Holley's > > Store and I was wondering if anyone has pictures or any history on it. > > > > Secondly, does anyone know much about the hen and egg business that >women > > used to run on the farms? What years did this take place? Did people >take > > eggs to Ed Holley's Store and buy things in exchange for the eggs? If >so, > > how much was an egg worth? > > > > I am really brainstorming this time! I'm wanting to do something with > > plastic eggs at our GRISHAM Reunion....like have people/kids win them > > somehow in a game or contest. Then, I would like to have an Ed Holley's > > Store where they can redeem their eggs! LOL! > > > > Problem is....I haven't quite figured out how to do this! What would I >sell > > at the store? Moon pies?? Cokes? Any other ideas? > > > > My family is going to think I'm nuts! :o) > > > > Sandra > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > ==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > > > > > > > >==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== >Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at >http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

To all who are interestered: The chicken and egg business run by farm women must have been going on for as long as this country has been in existence. Both of my grandmothers and my mother traded chickens and eggs for essentials they couldn't grow or raise on the farm. I remember mother trading eggs and chickens in the 30's, and my dad told of riding a mule to the store with a dozen eggs that my grandmother had placed in a flour sack. The peddler would come through once a week and he carried all sorts of things including toys. Even when we children didn't have any money to spend, we still enjoyed entering the truck and just looking at all the goodies. Where is Right, TN? Betty (Duke) Swift

In a message dated 7/18/2004 10:04:57 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Sandra, I know exactly where the store is, I just didn't know Ed Holley. My folks ran a store from 1950 to 1952. The candy bars were not a great deal different than they are today. Hersheys were the same, three musketeers, baby ruth, mounds, almond joy, there were several other choices. David David as I recall at first the Three Musketeers Candy Bar was a 3 Flavor Candy Bar, Vanilla, Strawberry, and Chocolate. Do you remember the Big Nick Ice Cream Bar and the Dixie Cups with your favorite Cowboy or Movie Star inside of the Lid for 5Cents. Back in the fourties there was a lot of Penny Candy, Suckers were BBBats different Flavor, Safe T Pops, And Tootsie Rolls (1896) and Tootsie Roll Pops (1905) . And regular Hard Candy Suckers. Cracker Jacks (1896) were also available back in those days. And the Cold Drinks were really big for 5 Cents except the Grapettes and Cokes and Squirt, but the others were "Belly Washers". I remember these old" Rolling Stores" coming down the Old Northern with their goods.I Was born in the Marked Tree and Tyronza Arkansas Area back "in those good old days" as we speak of them. How in the world did we survive without Air Conditioning and Plumbing? Joe

In a message dated 7/18/2004 8:53:52 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: From: "David Cagle" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [TNHARDIN] Upcoming Reunion - Ed Holley's Store >Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:14:21 -0500 > >Farm families traded eggs and chickens for what ever they needed. In >1950, >an egg would buy a bar of candy, a cold drink or a dip of ice cream. >Around Christmas time eggs might be worth a dollar a dozen or more, perhaps >as much as 10 cents each. > >In the 50's and 60's, some stores sent a truck (Peddling Truck or Peddler) >out through the country side and sold items and in return took cash or eggs >and chickens. Trucks from the produce companies would come by the stores >about once a week and deliver items and take the eggs and chickens. I lost >track after that, I don't know where they went---to the large cities I >imagine. > >I don't know Ed Holley nor know where his store was. > >David > As I remember these trucks back into the fourties. They were know as "Rolling Stores". And the Truck was similar as a small Cab-Over Truck as we know them today. I remember many times waiting on the side of the Road for the "Rolling Store" to come by so I could spend my Penny or Two on a Sucker(BB Bat) or piece of Buble Gum. And Grandma would trade farm produce for other items he carried on the truck. Flour, Sugar, Salt, etc. Joe

Sandra, I know exactly where the store is, I just didn't know Ed Holley. My folks ran a store from 1950 to 1952. The candy bars were not a great deal different than they are today. Hersheys were the same, three musketeers, baby ruth, mounds, almond joy, there were several other choices. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Lee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 8:53 PM Subject: Ed Holley's Store, Right, TN > Thanks, David! > > Ed Holley's Store was located in what was once known as Right, TN. I > wouldn't have known that but I saw it discussed on this list once. > > I never lived there...just visited as a child so I am not really familiar > with the area like those that were raised there, but everyone knew where Ed > Holley's store was back then and I remember going there when I was a kid. > > Most all the grandchildren of Lemuel & Mandy GRISHAM have memories of that > store. It is still standing (what is left of it) and on one of my last > trips there, I took pictures of it. I would really love to have some old > pictures of it. > > Do you know what kind of candy was available in the stores in those days > when they traded eggs? Moon pies? Peppermint sticks? I'm trying to make > this as authentic as I can for the kids. > > Sandra > > > > > > >From: "David Cagle" <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [TNHARDIN] Upcoming Reunion - Ed Holley's Store > >Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:14:21 -0500 > > > >Farm families traded eggs and chickens for what ever they needed. In > >1950, > >an egg would buy a bar of candy, a cold drink or a dip of ice cream. > >Around Christmas time eggs might be worth a dollar a dozen or more, perhaps > >as much as 10 cents each. > > > >In the 50's and 60's, some stores sent a truck (Peddling Truck or Peddler) > >out through the country side and sold items and in return took cash or eggs > >and chickens. Trucks from the produce companies would come by the stores > >about once a week and deliver items and take the eggs and chickens. I lost > >track after that, I don't know where they went---to the large cities I > >imagine. > > > >I don't know Ed Holley nor know where his store was. > > > >David > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "S Lee" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 9:49 AM > >Subject: [TNHARDIN] Upcoming Reunion - Ed Holley's Store > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > Once again, I am planning our annual reunion and I need your help! :o) > > > > > > First of all, everyone in our family seems to have memories of Ed > >Holley's > > > Store and I was wondering if anyone has pictures or any history on it. > > > > > > Secondly, does anyone know much about the hen and egg business that > >women > > > used to run on the farms? What years did this take place? Did people > >take > > > eggs to Ed Holley's Store and buy things in exchange for the eggs? If > >so, > > > how much was an egg worth? > > > > > > I am really brainstorming this time! I'm wanting to do something with > > > plastic eggs at our GRISHAM Reunion....like have people/kids win them > > > somehow in a game or contest. Then, I would like to have an Ed Holley's > > > Store where they can redeem their eggs! LOL! > > > > > > Problem is....I haven't quite figured out how to do this! What would I > >sell > > > at the store? Moon pies?? Cokes? Any other ideas? > > > > > > My family is going to think I'm nuts! :o) > > > > > > Sandra > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > ==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > > > Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > > > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > >Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > >http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > >

Thanks, David! Ed Holley's Store was located in what was once known as Right, TN. I wouldn't have known that but I saw it discussed on this list once. I never lived there...just visited as a child so I am not really familiar with the area like those that were raised there, but everyone knew where Ed Holley's store was back then and I remember going there when I was a kid. Most all the grandchildren of Lemuel & Mandy GRISHAM have memories of that store. It is still standing (what is left of it) and on one of my last trips there, I took pictures of it. I would really love to have some old pictures of it. Do you know what kind of candy was available in the stores in those days when they traded eggs? Moon pies? Peppermint sticks? I'm trying to make this as authentic as I can for the kids. Sandra >From: "David Cagle" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [TNHARDIN] Upcoming Reunion - Ed Holley's Store >Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 19:14:21 -0500 > >Farm families traded eggs and chickens for what ever they needed. In >1950, >an egg would buy a bar of candy, a cold drink or a dip of ice cream. >Around Christmas time eggs might be worth a dollar a dozen or more, perhaps >as much as 10 cents each. > >In the 50's and 60's, some stores sent a truck (Peddling Truck or Peddler) >out through the country side and sold items and in return took cash or eggs >and chickens. Trucks from the produce companies would come by the stores >about once a week and deliver items and take the eggs and chickens. I lost >track after that, I don't know where they went---to the large cities I >imagine. > >I don't know Ed Holley nor know where his store was. > >David > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "S Lee" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 9:49 AM >Subject: [TNHARDIN] Upcoming Reunion - Ed Holley's Store > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > Once again, I am planning our annual reunion and I need your help! :o) > > > > First of all, everyone in our family seems to have memories of Ed >Holley's > > Store and I was wondering if anyone has pictures or any history on it. > > > > Secondly, does anyone know much about the hen and egg business that >women > > used to run on the farms? What years did this take place? Did people >take > > eggs to Ed Holley's Store and buy things in exchange for the eggs? If >so, > > how much was an egg worth? > > > > I am really brainstorming this time! I'm wanting to do something with > > plastic eggs at our GRISHAM Reunion....like have people/kids win them > > somehow in a game or contest. Then, I would like to have an Ed Holley's > > Store where they can redeem their eggs! LOL! > > > > Problem is....I haven't quite figured out how to do this! What would I >sell > > at the store? Moon pies?? Cokes? Any other ideas? > > > > My family is going to think I'm nuts! :o) > > > > Sandra > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > ==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > > > > > > > >==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== >Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at >http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

Farm families traded eggs and chickens for what ever they needed. In 1950, an egg would buy a bar of candy, a cold drink or a dip of ice cream. Around Christmas time eggs might be worth a dollar a dozen or more, perhaps as much as 10 cents each. In the 50's and 60's, some stores sent a truck (Peddling Truck or Peddler) out through the country side and sold items and in return took cash or eggs and chickens. Trucks from the produce companies would come by the stores about once a week and deliver items and take the eggs and chickens. I lost track after that, I don't know where they went---to the large cities I imagine. I don't know Ed Holley nor know where his store was. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Lee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 9:49 AM Subject: [TNHARDIN] Upcoming Reunion - Ed Holley's Store > Hi Everyone, > > Once again, I am planning our annual reunion and I need your help! :o) > > First of all, everyone in our family seems to have memories of Ed Holley's > Store and I was wondering if anyone has pictures or any history on it. > > Secondly, does anyone know much about the hen and egg business that women > used to run on the farms? What years did this take place? Did people take > eggs to Ed Holley's Store and buy things in exchange for the eggs? If so, > how much was an egg worth? > > I am really brainstorming this time! I'm wanting to do something with > plastic eggs at our GRISHAM Reunion....like have people/kids win them > somehow in a game or contest. Then, I would like to have an Ed Holley's > Store where they can redeem their eggs! LOL! > > Problem is....I haven't quite figured out how to do this! What would I sell > at the store? Moon pies?? Cokes? Any other ideas? > > My family is going to think I'm nuts! :o) > > Sandra > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > ==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > >

Hi Everyone, Once again, I am planning our annual reunion and I need your help! :o) First of all, everyone in our family seems to have memories of Ed Holley's Store and I was wondering if anyone has pictures or any history on it. Secondly, does anyone know much about the hen and egg business that women used to run on the farms? What years did this take place? Did people take eggs to Ed Holley's Store and buy things in exchange for the eggs? If so, how much was an egg worth? I am really brainstorming this time! I'm wanting to do something with plastic eggs at our GRISHAM Reunion....like have people/kids win them somehow in a game or contest. Then, I would like to have an Ed Holley's Store where they can redeem their eggs! LOL! Problem is....I haven't quite figured out how to do this! What would I sell at the store? Moon pies?? Cokes? Any other ideas? My family is going to think I'm nuts! :o) Sandra _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

Butch, Sorry I am slow getting back. I don't think I have the information you describe. I would very much like to have a copy. Even though some of the Allens in Hardin County lived in the same general area as Samuel, Samuel didn't leave us a hint that he was kin to them. If he was kin, he was left an orphan at such a young age he didn't know them. They were already in Hardin County before he was born in KY. Perhaps if we concentrate on Allens in KY and the name Banks and Stanton there might be a clue somewhere as to Samuel's parents. His life is fairly well known after he arrived in Hardin Co. in 1840. I don't know what Shepherd Thacker was doing at Limestone Creek AL in 1840? Or, why Samuel Allen would come home with him? Do you have any answers? I am sending copies of this to Bertha and Jane as well as the list. Perhaps we can get some help there? David SAMUEL R. ALLEN, one of the best known and most respected residents of the Twelfth District, was born in Kentucky, August 16, 1830. His father was also a native of that State, a stone-mason by trade. Mr. Allen was raised by his grandmother, remaining with her until his sixth year, when he went home with Miss Banks, traveling for about one year; met with Mr. Stanton of Tennessee, on the Chattahoochie River in Georgia; the following year went to Kingston, Tenn., from there he went on a flatboat on the Tennessee River to Limestone Creek, Alabama, and there met Shep Thacker with whom he came to Hardin County in 1840 and remained with him for twelve years. He then began renting lands and farming. September, 1855 he was married to Miss Harriet Whitlow, of Hardin County who died January 27, 1884. This union resulted in the birth of eleven children, of whom are living, Milton J., Sarah M., Granville S., Grant A., Ettie E., William R. and George H.; two died in infancy. Mr. Allen married the second time to Mrs. Isabella (Falls) McDaniel of Hardin County. Mr. Allen is a zealous member of the Christian Church., belongs to the Agricultural Wheel of Tennessee, and is a staunch Republican. He is one of the most enterprising, cordial and esteemed men in the entire community. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Butch Carman" <[email protected]> To: "David Cagle" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [TNHARDIN] Re: family ties > David > I have some information on the Allen family which came from my mother (Eva > Jewel Allen Carman) and my grandmother (L.Zora Ponds Allen). > If you did not get that from my mother, I would gladly send it to you. I > have not included it to save space. You have but to ask and I will send all > that I have. I have a full family development but it is horizontal > information. When I go vertical, I end up in KY and a dead end as well. > Butch Carman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Cagle" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:39 PM > Subject: [TNHARDIN] Re: family ties > > > > Bertha, > > I have been trying to figure out where Samuel R. Allen fits with the other > Allens in Hardin County. I have never seen a connection. Samuel married > Harriet Whitlow who was a sister of my g/grandfather, Augustus Whitlow, > 1850-1907. > > > > Samuel gave his life story to Goodspeed (see copy below) I have included > my file on the Allen family which tells what little I know. Samuel states > that he and his father were born in KY. > > > > David > > > > > > > > 1820 Census, Hardin Co., TN > > Ellender Thacker 2-00011830 Census, Shelby Co., TN > > E. Thacker 1102-10001 > > > > 1830 Census, Hardin Co., TN > > > > Wilson Allen 222001-000001 > > > > Micajah Allen 100001-000001 > > > > 1840 Census, Hardin Co., TN > > > > Ellender Thacker 01002-0000001, 2nd C. D. > > > > Wilson Allen 0122202-0000001, 6th C. D. > > > > Micajah Allen 011001-010001, 5th C. D. > > > > 1850 Census, Hardin Co., TN > > Sepperd Thacker 35 TN Farmer, 2nd C. D. > > Mary 31 TN > > Francis P. 15 TN > > William 4 TN > > Sarah M. 1 TN > > Eleander 57 TN > > Samuel R. Allen 18 KY Laborer > > > > Matthew Allen 36 NC 1st C. D. > > Nancy 24 AL > > Amanda M. 6 TN > > James Allen 28 KY 1st C. D. > > Martha 22 TN > > Newton 7 TN > > > > Micajah G. Allen 48 VA 2nd C. D. > > Elizabeth 50 SC > > Aaron W. 23 TN > > Elizabeth A. 18 TN > > John M. 14 TN > > > > John Allen 45 NC 3rd C. D. > > Polly 44 TN > > James 20 TN > > Martha 18 TN > > Elizabeth 16 TN > > William 14 TN > > John 12 TN > > Samuel 10 TN > > Alexander 8 TN > > Eliza 6 TN > > David 3 TN > > George M. 1 TN > > > > Wilson Allen 43 KY 6th C. D. > > Marian 52 KY > > Return D. 23 TN > > Duncan C. 15 TN > > > > 1860 Census, Hardin Co., TN > > Shepard Thacker 45 > > Mary 36 > > Frances P. 17 > > William 14 > > Sarah M. 12 > > John 10 > > Mary E. 4 > > Josephine T. 10/12 > > Elender 63 > > > > C. H. Whitlow 31 > > Henretta 29 > > William W. 13 > > Granville A. 10 > > Mary S. 8 > > James M. 6 > > Amanda H. 3 > > > > Milton Whitlow 52 > > Sarah 42 > > Emily 18 > > Oscar E. 16 > > Granville H. 14 > > Noah M. J. 12 > > Augustus 10 > > Amanda 8 > > James B. 4 > > Elizabeth Moseley 80 > > > > 1870 Census, Hardin Co., TN > > Samuel Allen 38 KY Farmer, 14th C. D. > > Harriet 35 TN > > Milton 11 TN > > Sally 6 TN > > Sherman 4 TN > > Grant 1 TN > > Sheperd Thacker 54 TN Farmer, 14th C. D. > > Mary 51 TN > > John 18 TN > > Elizabeth 14 TN > > Josephine 12 TN > > Prantis 6 TN > > Willaim Thacker 24 TN Farmer, 14th C. D. > > Mary Ann 23 TN > > Brownlow 2 TN > > Pearson Green 12 TN > > 1880 Census, Hardin Co., TN > > > > Samuel R. Allen 49 KY 12 th C. D. > > > > Harriet W. 45 TN > > > > James 21 TN > > > > Sarah 16 TN > > > > William 14 TN > > > > Grant 12 TN > > > > Effie 7 TN > > > > > > > > > > > > William Thacker 34 TN 5th C. D. > > > > Mary A. 33 TN Eng. TN > > > > Brownlow 12 TN > > > > Frances 9 TN > > > > Amelia 7 TN > > > > Sarah M. 4 TN > > > > Carah E. 2 TN > > > > Pearson Green 20 TN Eng. TN, sister-in-law > > > > > > > > Shepard Thacker 65 TN VA TN 5th C. D. Farmer > > > > Mary A. 63 TN SC SC > > > > Prentice 16 TN son > > > > > > > > John Thacker 28 TN 5th C. D. Farmer > > > > Sarah F. 27 TN > > > > Esra 1 TN > > > > Margaret A. Auston 20 AL TN TN given? > > > > > > > > William R. Thacker 60 TN NC KY Farmer 8th C. D. > > > > Mary J. 52 TN VA TN > > > > John H. 22 TN > > > > Andrew C. 20 TN > > > > Julia M. 16 TN > > > > William R. 13 TN > > > > Edwin A. 13 TN > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > Just recently given this article and thought it might be of interest to > > someone. Harry Allen was my grandfather's brother and S. M. Watson was my > > grandfather. > > > > Jane Watson Helvering > > > > Article from > > The Courier, Savannah, Tennessee > > Thursday, November 3, 1983 > > > > Justice Was Swift in '20s Brutal Murder > > > > In 1920, three Hardin County men were electrocuted for the murder of a > > well-liked county merchant. A third man connected with the murder was > > sentenced to life imprisonment in the state penitentiary. > > > > As far as a county official can remember, these have been the only persons > > from this county to be executed by electrocution and the only one to be > put > > to death before this time was a Mrs. Hughes, who was hanged on a gallows > by > > the riverbank for the hideous murder of her husband. > > > > The killing of Harry Allen, a store owner in the Hooker's Bend community, > > brought about great excitement and disturbance in the neighborhood, and > the > > three adults and two juveniles involved were quickly brought to justice, > > court records show. Chesley Graham and Will Allen were electrocuted in > > Nashville on July 9, 1920. George Allen was imprisoned for the rest of his > > life. The juveniles were found not guilty after they testified for the > > prosecution. However, many of the county people felt that the "brains" > > behind the scheme to rob and murder Harry Allen was never punished. > > > > On the morning of April 22, 1920, Harry Allen, a prominent county merchant > > in Hooker's Bend, was found dead in his store. Authorities said his skull > > had been crushed like an egg shell, and there was money scattered around > on > > the floor. Allen had been counting eggs, preparing a shipment. His body > > was found in the early morning hours; crouched on the floor of the store, > > between two counters and by an egg case. His head was on the blood stained > > egg case. > > > > Allen lived with his wife and several small children near the store. He > > usually made deposits in the bank at the town of Saltillo two or three > times > > a week, but the backwaters had been up for some time before the killing > and > > he had not made a deposit for several weeks. Allen had kept his money at > > his store, a fatal mistake. > > > > According to records, on the night of April 21, 1920 Allen went to his > home, > > ate supper, played with his baby, then informed his wife that he had to go > > back to the store to crate eggs to be ready for the peddler early the next > > morning. Allen lighted his lantern and went to his store. > > > > Later in the night, Allen's wife, who had fallen asleep, awoke with a > > feeling that something was wrong and went part of the way from her > residence > > to the store. She heard a noise and concluded that her husband was still > > engaged in crating eggs and returned to her home. In a short time she went > > to her front door and heard someone walking in the store. Assuming that > her > > husband was finishing up his work and was about to return to the house she > > retired and awoke about daylight the next morning to find her husband > still > > absent from the house. > > > > She ran to the store where she discovered the deceased's body in a > kneeling > > position with his hand in one end of a partially filled egg crate. When > she > > turned him over, she found his "head completely mashed and his face > bloody." > > In her testimony, she said she knew he had been dead some time. > > > > Three doctors who were called testified that the deceased's skull was > > "crushed like an egg shell." > > > > The men accused of the murder were arrested the next day. > > > > The killing of Harry Allen brought about great excitement in the county, > and > > five persons involved were quickly brought to trial, their sentences > > pronounced, their punishment carried out. > > > > In fact, they were arrested the next day, April 23, indicted April 27, and > > their trial began April 30, nine days after the killing. Two of the > > men-Chesley Graham and Will Allen-were electrocuted at the Nashville State > > Penitentiary on July 9, 1920. > > > > The state militia was called in to protect the prisoners, as general chaos > > broke out after the killing was discovered. During the trial, everyone who > > went into the courthouse was searched for weapons. > > > > Bloodhounds had been called in to search for the killers and the weapon. > > Officers approached one man they thought might be involved, and he ran > from > > them and was shot. He was not badly injured, and it was discovered that he > > had no part in the killing of Allen, but just "got scared" when the > officers > > started toward him. > > > > Chesley Graham was a farm hand for Abe Blankenship. He worked for the > > farmer and lived upstairs in the barn. > > > > Miss Josephine Bain, retired Savannah schoolteacher, was just a little > girl, > > living in Hooker's Bend when the murder took place. In fact, the men had > > taken a sledge hammer, the murder weapon, from her uncle Sam Watson's > barn. > > > > "In fact," said Miss Bain, "one of the men probably wore Uncle Sam's boots > > when he did the killing. He took them off Uncle Sam's porch, then after he > > wore them, put them back on the porch because the blood hounds used in the > > investigation came straight to those boots." She said that the stolen > money > > was found buried in a corner of her uncle's hog lot. "All of us children > > always thought a lot of Ches (Chesley Graham)." > > > > Miss Bain lived with her parents, the Jim Bains, in a house about a half a > > mile from the store where Allen was killed. There were two other houses in > > that area, the Abe Blankenship house and the Sam Watson House, all less > than > > a half a mile from the store. > > > > Miss Bain said that for years after the murder, she was frightened of the > > dark. "I could always envision men coming in and killing me." she said. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > Jane, > > > > Following is a quote form "Hardin County History of Tennessee," by > Goodspeed Publishing Co., 1887. This information would have been given to > the publishing people by Samuel. His frist wife, Harriett was a sister to my > g/grandfather, Augustus F. Whitlow. I am attaching a picture of Augustus and > his family. Do you know Ms. Eva Allen Carman. She is a grandaughter of > Samuel. > > > > SAMUEL R. ALLEN, one of the best known and most respected residents of the > Twelfth District, was born in Kentucky, August 16, 1830. His father was also > a native of that State, a stone-mason by trade. Mr. Allen was raised by his > grandmother, remaining with her until his sixth year, when he went home with > Miss Banks, traveling for about one year; met with Mr. Stanton of Tennessee, > on the Chattahoochie River in Georgia; the following year went to Kingston, > Tenn., from there he went on a flatboat on the Tennessee River to Limestone > Creek, Alabama, and there met Shep Thacker with whom he came to Hardin > County in 1840 and remained with him for twelve years. He then began renting > lands and farming. September, 1855 he was married to Miss Harriet Whitlow, > of Hardin County who died January 27, 1884. This union resulted in the birth > of eleven children, of whom are living, Milton J., Sarah M., Granville S., > Grant A., Ettie E., William R. and George H.; two died in infancy. Mr. Allen > mar! > > ried the second time to Mrs. Isabella (Falls) McDaniel of Hardin County. > Mr. Allen is a zealous member of the Christian Church., belongs to the > Agricultural Wheel of Tennessee, and is a staunch Republican. He is one of > the most enterprising, cordial and esteemed men in the entire community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Attention David Cagle : > > > > > > Samuel R. Allen must be my great, great, grandfather on my mother's > side. > > > We knew he came from somewhere else but I notice the census says > Kentucky. I > > > haven't been delving into this side until just recently and found my > notes > > > from years past. The children vary a little from what the census shows, > but > > > I am sure this is him. > > > > > > Family lore passed down told that he came from New Orleans on a raft, > and > > > settled with an Allen family-his name was not Allen, he just took the > name. > > > He must have really been an Allen, and lived with the Thacker family. > This > > > is great now that I know there is a real Allen connection. > > > > > > This information was given me by my mother and is possibly not exactly > > > correct. > > > > > > Sam Allen > > > children: > > > Grant, George, Sherman, Bettie, Molly, Minnie, Malcom J. (Jim) > > > > > > Malcomb J. (Jim) Allen m. Adelaide Story Allen > > > children: > > > Harry, James Malcomb, Vesta, Ira, Charlie, Horace, Ollie > > > > > > James Malcomb Allen m. Mattie Ethel Swift (probable Decatur Co., TN) > > > December 4, 1910 > > > children: > > > Pauline, Howard, Minnie, Verlon > > > > > > Pauline Ethel Allen m. James Leo Watson of the Hardin County Watson's. > > > These are my parents. > > > > > > Will appreciate any and all help with this. > > > > > > Jane Watson Helvering > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at <http://www.hotmail.com> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bertha Allen > > To: David Cagle > > Cc: David Cagle > > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 8:34 PM > > Subject: Fw: family ties > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bertha Allen > > To: Bertha Allen > > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:25 PM > > Subject: Re: family ties > > > > > > Hi David, > > Sorry I don't know any other way to send you the link I don't know how > to set up a web page, and probably managed to get it on ancestry by > accident.Maybe I can give you a quick run down on the info I have on the > Allen's. > > > > info I'm sure of. > > William M Allen b 1877 bosque or wood co TX , m 1900 wood co TX to > vernon Wilson > > > > David D Allen b abt 1847 Hardin co TN, m. abt 1868 in TX > > to Catherine C Gray, d 1916 yentis cemetery wood co TX > > > > John Allen b abr 1804 In NC, married polly Mary ?? abt 1828. d between > 1850 & 1860 or at least I can't find him. > > they had 10 children all born in Tn. > > James 1829 > > Martha 1831 > > Elizabeth 1833 > > William jasper 1835 > > john 1837 > > Samuel 1839 > > Matthew Alexander 1841 > > Elisa 1843 > > David 1846 > > George Washington 1848 > > > > I have followed them all to cass TX except john the father, Samuel and > john the son.the others are in the 1860 cass TX census. > > > > the same names seem to keep popping up in this family generation after > generation > > > > I am trying to find out what John Allen's father's name was. > > > > I know in my heart these people are all related brothers or cousins or > something because they follow each other. These are the ones I think are > brothers > > Wilson Allen 1796 KY > > micajah g Allen 1801ky or VA > > john Allen 1804 NC > > Matthew 1813 nc > > James Allen 1816 nc or tn > > George w 1802 nc > > It seems Micajah and Wilson lead the way, in the next census you will > find most if not all of the others, except to Texas it seems only my 3rd > great grandpa's family made the move. except for john and Samuel. > > > > I found a Micajah Allen 1810 blues creek stokes co nc 13 males under 10, > 1 male 26-44, 2 females under 10,1 female 16-25 > > I found Micajah Allen 1820 (none given) stokes co nc 1 male under 10,2 > males 10-16, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 26-45, 1male 45 up. > > 4females under 10, 1 female 10-16, and 1 female 45 up. also 2 males in > agriculture,2 males in manufacturing > > 1830 Micajah, wilson, john, george w, all in Hickman Tn. > > 1840 Micajah and wilson in Hardin co tn. > > 1850 Micajah, wilson. john and james all in Hardin co tn, the other I > believe to be still in Hickman or Cocke the names are right but I have no > way to tell for sure. > > > > Micajah and Elizabeth show three other people in the household, I assume > to be their kids > > aaron w allen 1826 tn > > james w allen 1835 tn > > these two have the same birth year > > > > Samuel R Allen 1831 ky > > Elizabeth A Allen 1831 tn. > > > > If this is the same Samuel R Allen he married Harriet Whitlow in Hardin > co they had 8 kids. I was trying to follow him to see if I could find out if > the Micajah allen's I found were in fact related. SO FAR DEAD END.lol > > > > Sorry I couldn't make it easier and figure out how to send the link. I > haven't been using a pc very long it's the teaching the old dog new tricks > thing. If you have any info on this line of allen's in Hardin and don't mind > sharing I would love to see what you have. > > > > thanks > > Bertha > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bertha Allen > > To: Bertha Allen > > Cc: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 4:54 PM > > Subject: Re: family ties > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: David Cagle > > To: Bertha Allen > > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 4:25 PM > > Subject: Re: family ties > > > > > > Bertha, > > I could not open the attachment, > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bertha Allen > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:41 AM > > Subject: family ties > > > > > > Morning David, > > Jane Ellis gave me your e-mail address, she said you know a lot > about Hardin co tn. I found my 3rd great grandfather and his family. along > with what I believe to be some of his brothers. > > > > His name was John Allen b abt 1804 Nc he was a gun smith. > > wife Polly Mary > > the whole group can be found in 1850 census > > > > one of what I believe to be his brothers is named Micajah wife > Elizabeth on the census it shows three others in the house one is Samuel R > Allen, I am trying to link the people some way and maybe find out what my > 3rd great grandfathers name was. I believe I have followed them as far back > as 1810 Blues Creek Nc but don't know how to prove it since only head of > household is listed.I have followed Micajah from Nc to Hickman tn, to Hardin > tn, where most of them are by 1850 by 1860 many of them are in cass Tx. > > > > I don't have a web page and being pc stupid I sent you the link to > ancestry,com where I put most of the info I have. would you mind looking it > over and if you know anything about any of the allens please share with me. > > > > thank you > > Bertha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > > > > > > >

Bob, While www.freeafricanamericans.com doesn't have information on TN f.p.c. families, you might be able to connect a NC or VA family to your TN family. For an f.p.c. Powers family, see http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/Pettiford_Ridley.htm For f.p.c. Manly families, see http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/McCarty_Martin.htm There was also a f.p. c. Manly family, probably descended from North Carolina Governor Charles Manly. Leah [email protected] On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, David Cagle wrote: > 1820 Census, Hardin Co., TN > Samuel Powers 00001-0 > David D. Manley 0001-0 > > 1840 Census, Hardin Co., TN > Francis Manely 0000001-0010001 > > 1850 Census, Hardin Co., TN > 38-38 Jesse Powers 45 SC farmer, 7th C. D. > Oney P. 38 SC > Eliza J. 16 TN > Rhoda C. 15 TN > William T. 13 TN > Martha E. 11 AL > James W. 9 AL > Sarah A. N. 7 TN > Rachel 1 TN > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Orr > To: David Cagle > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 8:01 PM > Subject: Re: Hardin Co., TN > > > David - This could be the fellow that I am working on. He could very well be listed as a free colored, mulatto etc. > > Do you know anything of a Powers family that may have been in the area at the same time or a Levi Manly. Likely the same nationality. Thanks! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Cagle > To: Bob Orr > Cc: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: Hardin Co., TN > > > Bob, > I know very little about James Rudd. The history books tell us that he ran a ferry at the place which eventually became Savannah about 1830. James is enumerated in the 1820 Hardin County Census as a Free Colored Person, aged 26 to 45. There is another Colored Male in the household of the same age and a Colored Female aged 0 to 14. > > In the 1830 census is listed a white female, Rebeca Rudd, aged 40 to 50. Also Free Colored Persons, 1 male aged 10 to 24, one female aged 0 to 10, and 3 females aged 10 to 24. > > "A History of Hardin County" written by B. G. Brazelton in 1885 shows that there were 4 ferries in Hardin County in 1820. James' Ferry at Grand View, James Hardin's Ferry at Cerro Gordo, Neilson's Ferry just south of Cravens and Rudd's Ferry at Savannah. Brazelton furthers states that Rudd built a log cabin at Savannah in 1821 and that David Robinson built the Cherry Mansion about 1830 and took over the ferry operation. > > I hope this helps. > David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Orr > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:07 AM > Subject: Fw: Hardin Co., TN > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Palmer Elliott > To: Bob Orr > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:43 AM > Subject: Re: Hardin Co., TN > > > Hi Bob, > I apologize for not being of a lot of help but I live in TX and don't have access to many records...BUT...if you write to David Cagle...I would bet he could help you...he is a great historian of Hardin County and has helped many tremendously. David Cagle <[email protected]> > > Sue Palmer~Elliott > > "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take but by the moments that take our breath away." > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Orr > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 8:48 PM > Subject: Hardin Co., TN > > > Do you know anything about James Rudd who in 1830 owned the local ferry? > > How long did he operate the ferry? Did he go ca 1835 to Gallatin Co., IL? > > Thanks! > > > ==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > >

Bertha, I have been trying to figure out where Samuel R. Allen fits with the other Allens in Hardin County. I have never seen a connection. Samuel married Harriet Whitlow who was a sister of my g/grandfather, Augustus Whitlow, 1850-1907. Samuel gave his life story to Goodspeed (see copy below) I have included my file on the Allen family which tells what little I know. Samuel states that he and his father were born in KY. David 1820 Census, Hardin Co., TN Ellender Thacker 2-00011830 Census, Shelby Co., TN E. Thacker 1102-10001 1830 Census, Hardin Co., TN Wilson Allen 222001-000001 Micajah Allen 100001-000001 1840 Census, Hardin Co., TN Ellender Thacker 01002-0000001, 2nd C. D. Wilson Allen 0122202-0000001, 6th C. D. Micajah Allen 011001-010001, 5th C. D. 1850 Census, Hardin Co., TN Sepperd Thacker 35 TN Farmer, 2nd C. D. Mary 31 TN Francis P. 15 TN William 4 TN Sarah M. 1 TN Eleander 57 TN Samuel R. Allen 18 KY Laborer Matthew Allen 36 NC 1st C. D. Nancy 24 AL Amanda M. 6 TN James Allen 28 KY 1st C. D. Martha 22 TN Newton 7 TN Micajah G. Allen 48 VA 2nd C. D. Elizabeth 50 SC Aaron W. 23 TN Elizabeth A. 18 TN John M. 14 TN John Allen 45 NC 3rd C. D. Polly 44 TN James 20 TN Martha 18 TN Elizabeth 16 TN William 14 TN John 12 TN Samuel 10 TN Alexander 8 TN Eliza 6 TN David 3 TN George M. 1 TN Wilson Allen 43 KY 6th C. D. Marian 52 KY Return D. 23 TN Duncan C. 15 TN 1860 Census, Hardin Co., TN Shepard Thacker 45 Mary 36 Frances P. 17 William 14 Sarah M. 12 John 10 Mary E. 4 Josephine T. 10/12 Elender 63 C. H. Whitlow 31 Henretta 29 William W. 13 Granville A. 10 Mary S. 8 James M. 6 Amanda H. 3 Milton Whitlow 52 Sarah 42 Emily 18 Oscar E. 16 Granville H. 14 Noah M. J. 12 Augustus 10 Amanda 8 James B. 4 Elizabeth Moseley 80 1870 Census, Hardin Co., TN Samuel Allen 38 KY Farmer, 14th C. D. Harriet 35 TN Milton 11 TN Sally 6 TN Sherman 4 TN Grant 1 TN Sheperd Thacker 54 TN Farmer, 14th C. D. Mary 51 TN John 18 TN Elizabeth 14 TN Josephine 12 TN Prantis 6 TN Willaim Thacker 24 TN Farmer, 14th C. D. Mary Ann 23 TN Brownlow 2 TN Pearson Green 12 TN 1880 Census, Hardin Co., TN Samuel R. Allen 49 KY 12 th C. D. Harriet W. 45 TN James 21 TN Sarah 16 TN William 14 TN Grant 12 TN Effie 7 TN William Thacker 34 TN 5th C. D. Mary A. 33 TN Eng. TN Brownlow 12 TN Frances 9 TN Amelia 7 TN Sarah M. 4 TN Carah E. 2 TN Pearson Green 20 TN Eng. TN, sister-in-law Shepard Thacker 65 TN VA TN 5th C. D. Farmer Mary A. 63 TN SC SC Prentice 16 TN son John Thacker 28 TN 5th C. D. Farmer Sarah F. 27 TN Esra 1 TN Margaret A. Auston 20 AL TN TN given? William R. Thacker 60 TN NC KY Farmer 8th C. D. Mary J. 52 TN VA TN John H. 22 TN Andrew C. 20 TN Julia M. 16 TN William R. 13 TN Edwin A. 13 TN +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Just recently given this article and thought it might be of interest to someone. Harry Allen was my grandfather's brother and S. M. Watson was my grandfather. Jane Watson Helvering Article from The Courier, Savannah, Tennessee Thursday, November 3, 1983 Justice Was Swift in '20s Brutal Murder In 1920, three Hardin County men were electrocuted for the murder of a well-liked county merchant. A third man connected with the murder was sentenced to life imprisonment in the state penitentiary. As far as a county official can remember, these have been the only persons from this county to be executed by electrocution and the only one to be put to death before this time was a Mrs. Hughes, who was hanged on a gallows by the riverbank for the hideous murder of her husband. The killing of Harry Allen, a store owner in the Hooker's Bend community, brought about great excitement and disturbance in the neighborhood, and the three adults and two juveniles involved were quickly brought to justice, court records show. Chesley Graham and Will Allen were electrocuted in Nashville on July 9, 1920. George Allen was imprisoned for the rest of his life. The juveniles were found not guilty after they testified for the prosecution. However, many of the county people felt that the "brains" behind the scheme to rob and murder Harry Allen was never punished. On the morning of April 22, 1920, Harry Allen, a prominent county merchant in Hooker's Bend, was found dead in his store. Authorities said his skull had been crushed like an egg shell, and there was money scattered around on the floor. Allen had been counting eggs, preparing a shipment. His body was found in the early morning hours; crouched on the floor of the store, between two counters and by an egg case. His head was on the blood stained egg case. Allen lived with his wife and several small children near the store. He usually made deposits in the bank at the town of Saltillo two or three times a week, but the backwaters had been up for some time before the killing and he had not made a deposit for several weeks. Allen had kept his money at his store, a fatal mistake. According to records, on the night of April 21, 1920 Allen went to his home, ate supper, played with his baby, then informed his wife that he had to go back to the store to crate eggs to be ready for the peddler early the next morning. Allen lighted his lantern and went to his store. Later in the night, Allen's wife, who had fallen asleep, awoke with a feeling that something was wrong and went part of the way from her residence to the store. She heard a noise and concluded that her husband was still engaged in crating eggs and returned to her home. In a short time she went to her front door and heard someone walking in the store. Assuming that her husband was finishing up his work and was about to return to the house she retired and awoke about daylight the next morning to find her husband still absent from the house. She ran to the store where she discovered the deceased's body in a kneeling position with his hand in one end of a partially filled egg crate. When she turned him over, she found his "head completely mashed and his face bloody." In her testimony, she said she knew he had been dead some time. Three doctors who were called testified that the deceased's skull was "crushed like an egg shell." The men accused of the murder were arrested the next day. The killing of Harry Allen brought about great excitement in the county, and five persons involved were quickly brought to trial, their sentences pronounced, their punishment carried out. In fact, they were arrested the next day, April 23, indicted April 27, and their trial began April 30, nine days after the killing. Two of the men-Chesley Graham and Will Allen-were electrocuted at the Nashville State Penitentiary on July 9, 1920. The state militia was called in to protect the prisoners, as general chaos broke out after the killing was discovered. During the trial, everyone who went into the courthouse was searched for weapons. Bloodhounds had been called in to search for the killers and the weapon. Officers approached one man they thought might be involved, and he ran from them and was shot. He was not badly injured, and it was discovered that he had no part in the killing of Allen, but just "got scared" when the officers started toward him. Chesley Graham was a farm hand for Abe Blankenship. He worked for the farmer and lived upstairs in the barn. Miss Josephine Bain, retired Savannah schoolteacher, was just a little girl, living in Hooker's Bend when the murder took place. In fact, the men had taken a sledge hammer, the murder weapon, from her uncle Sam Watson's barn. "In fact," said Miss Bain, "one of the men probably wore Uncle Sam's boots when he did the killing. He took them off Uncle Sam's porch, then after he wore them, put them back on the porch because the blood hounds used in the investigation came straight to those boots." She said that the stolen money was found buried in a corner of her uncle's hog lot. "All of us children always thought a lot of Ches (Chesley Graham)." Miss Bain lived with her parents, the Jim Bains, in a house about a half a mile from the store where Allen was killed. There were two other houses in that area, the Abe Blankenship house and the Sam Watson House, all less than a half a mile from the store. Miss Bain said that for years after the murder, she was frightened of the dark. "I could always envision men coming in and killing me." she said. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jane, Following is a quote form "Hardin County History of Tennessee," by Goodspeed Publishing Co., 1887. This information would have been given to the publishing people by Samuel. His frist wife, Harriett was a sister to my g/grandfather, Augustus F. Whitlow. I am attaching a picture of Augustus and his family. Do you know Ms. Eva Allen Carman. She is a grandaughter of Samuel. SAMUEL R. ALLEN, one of the best known and most respected residents of the Twelfth District, was born in Kentucky, August 16, 1830. His father was also a native of that State, a stone-mason by trade. Mr. Allen was raised by his grandmother, remaining with her until his sixth year, when he went home with Miss Banks, traveling for about one year; met with Mr. Stanton of Tennessee, on the Chattahoochie River in Georgia; the following year went to Kingston, Tenn., from there he went on a flatboat on the Tennessee River to Limestone Creek, Alabama, and there met Shep Thacker with whom he came to Hardin County in 1840 and remained with him for twelve years. He then began renting lands and farming. September, 1855 he was married to Miss Harriet Whitlow, of Hardin County who died January 27, 1884. This union resulted in the birth of eleven children, of whom are living, Milton J., Sarah M., Granville S., Grant A., Ettie E., William R. and George H.; two died in infancy. Mr. Allen mar! ried the second time to Mrs. Isabella (Falls) McDaniel of Hardin County. Mr. Allen is a zealous member of the Christian Church., belongs to the Agricultural Wheel of Tennessee, and is a staunch Republican. He is one of the most enterprising, cordial and esteemed men in the entire community. > Attention David Cagle : > > Samuel R. Allen must be my great, great, grandfather on my mother's side. > We knew he came from somewhere else but I notice the census says Kentucky. I > haven't been delving into this side until just recently and found my notes > from years past. The children vary a little from what the census shows, but > I am sure this is him. > > Family lore passed down told that he came from New Orleans on a raft, and > settled with an Allen family-his name was not Allen, he just took the name. > He must have really been an Allen, and lived with the Thacker family. This > is great now that I know there is a real Allen connection. > > This information was given me by my mother and is possibly not exactly > correct. > > Sam Allen > children: > Grant, George, Sherman, Bettie, Molly, Minnie, Malcom J. (Jim) > > Malcomb J. (Jim) Allen m. Adelaide Story Allen > children: > Harry, James Malcomb, Vesta, Ira, Charlie, Horace, Ollie > > James Malcomb Allen m. Mattie Ethel Swift (probable Decatur Co., TN) > December 4, 1910 > children: > Pauline, Howard, Minnie, Verlon > > Pauline Ethel Allen m. James Leo Watson of the Hardin County Watson's. > These are my parents. > > Will appreciate any and all help with this. > > Jane Watson Helvering > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at <http://www.hotmail.com> > ----- Original Message ----- From: Bertha Allen To: David Cagle Cc: David Cagle Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: Fw: family ties ----- Original Message ----- From: Bertha Allen To: Bertha Allen Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: Re: family ties Hi David, Sorry I don't know any other way to send you the link I don't know how to set up a web page, and probably managed to get it on ancestry by accident.Maybe I can give you a quick run down on the info I have on the Allen's. info I'm sure of. William M Allen b 1877 bosque or wood co TX , m 1900 wood co TX to vernon Wilson David D Allen b abt 1847 Hardin co TN, m. abt 1868 in TX to Catherine C Gray, d 1916 yentis cemetery wood co TX John Allen b abr 1804 In NC, married polly Mary ?? abt 1828. d between 1850 & 1860 or at least I can't find him. they had 10 children all born in Tn. James 1829 Martha 1831 Elizabeth 1833 William jasper 1835 john 1837 Samuel 1839 Matthew Alexander 1841 Elisa 1843 David 1846 George Washington 1848 I have followed them all to cass TX except john the father, Samuel and john the son.the others are in the 1860 cass TX census. the same names seem to keep popping up in this family generation after generation I am trying to find out what John Allen's father's name was. I know in my heart these people are all related brothers or cousins or something because they follow each other. These are the ones I think are brothers Wilson Allen 1796 KY micajah g Allen 1801ky or VA john Allen 1804 NC Matthew 1813 nc James Allen 1816 nc or tn George w 1802 nc It seems Micajah and Wilson lead the way, in the next census you will find most if not all of the others, except to Texas it seems only my 3rd great grandpa's family made the move. except for john and Samuel. I found a Micajah Allen 1810 blues creek stokes co nc 13 males under 10, 1 male 26-44, 2 females under 10,1 female 16-25 I found Micajah Allen 1820 (none given) stokes co nc 1 male under 10,2 males 10-16, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 26-45, 1male 45 up. 4females under 10, 1 female 10-16, and 1 female 45 up. also 2 males in agriculture,2 males in manufacturing 1830 Micajah, wilson, john, george w, all in Hickman Tn. 1840 Micajah and wilson in Hardin co tn. 1850 Micajah, wilson. john and james all in Hardin co tn, the other I believe to be still in Hickman or Cocke the names are right but I have no way to tell for sure. Micajah and Elizabeth show three other people in the household, I assume to be their kids aaron w allen 1826 tn james w allen 1835 tn these two have the same birth year Samuel R Allen 1831 ky Elizabeth A Allen 1831 tn. If this is the same Samuel R Allen he married Harriet Whitlow in Hardin co they had 8 kids. I was trying to follow him to see if I could find out if the Micajah allen's I found were in fact related. SO FAR DEAD END.lol Sorry I couldn't make it easier and figure out how to send the link. I haven't been using a pc very long it's the teaching the old dog new tricks thing. If you have any info on this line of allen's in Hardin and don't mind sharing I would love to see what you have. thanks Bertha ----- Original Message ----- From: Bertha Allen To: Bertha Allen Cc: [email protected] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: Re: family ties ----- Original Message ----- From: David Cagle To: Bertha Allen Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: Re: family ties Bertha, I could not open the attachment, David ----- Original Message ----- From: Bertha Allen To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:41 AM Subject: family ties Morning David, Jane Ellis gave me your e-mail address, she said you know a lot about Hardin co tn. I found my 3rd great grandfather and his family. along with what I believe to be some of his brothers. His name was John Allen b abt 1804 Nc he was a gun smith. wife Polly Mary the whole group can be found in 1850 census one of what I believe to be his brothers is named Micajah wife Elizabeth on the census it shows three others in the house one is Samuel R Allen, I am trying to link the people some way and maybe find out what my 3rd great grandfathers name was. I believe I have followed them as far back as 1810 Blues Creek Nc but don't know how to prove it since only head of household is listed.I have followed Micajah from Nc to Hickman tn, to Hardin tn, where most of them are by 1850 by 1860 many of them are in cass Tx. I don't have a web page and being pc stupid I sent you the link to ancestry,com where I put most of the info I have. would you mind looking it over and if you know anything about any of the allens please share with me. thank you Bertha

i need a good detailed current map of the county. any suggestions on where to buy one? thanks and peace from kathy john 3:16

This message is being forwarded to the list by the listowner. If you can add something to the message below or wish to contact the person who wrote the message, reply to "Claudia Butler" <[email protected]>. Please do not reply to the listowner. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claudia Butler" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:15 PM Subject: Baird/Beard's in Hardin Co., TN > I am requesting help in ascertaining the ancestry of a James Baird that > lived and died in Savannah, Hardin Co., TN, His wife at the time of his > death was named "Cynthia", I do not know her maiden name. The 1850 US Census > for Hardin Co., TN, shows Cynthia Baird/Beard, B: 1808 in TN., a widow, with > children Rachel M., B: 1841 in TN., and William H., B: 1843 in TN. The 1840 > US Census for Hardin Co., TN., Seventh District, shows James Baird has > having 1 male under 5, 2 males 5-10, 1 male 20-30, and 1 male 60-70. It > also shows 1 female 30-40. > > I have this information filed with the Chancery Court at Savannah, Hardin > County, Tennessee in September, 1851: > To the Sheriff of Maury County Greeting: Whereas Cynthia Baird has filed > her original and supplemental bills in our Chancery Court at Savannah Hardin > County Tennessee praying that the last will and testament of James Baird may > be set up that the deed of conveyance and bill of sale executed by said > James Baird to A.H. Baird and James Ward may be declared void and for > general relief and praying that James Ward and Jane his wife, A.H. Baird, > J.C. Baird, Matilda Baird, Mary J., William D., James P., John L., Elizabeth > Baird, James Kimis and George S. Ross may be made defendants this and > therefore to command you to make known the premises unto the said defendants > to appear at the next term of our said court in the town of Savannah in the > County of Hardin on the 4 Monday in February next then and there to answer > said petition. Herein fail not and have you then and there this writ and > make known how you had executed the same - Dated the 1st Monday in September > A.D. 1851 > > I have discovered that Mrs.. James Ward, Jane, was the sister of James > Baird. Jane Baird and James Ward were married in January of 1826 in Hardin > Co., TN. Jane W. Baird was born 1/23/1806 in Virginia and died 10/28/1850 > in Hardin Co., TN. James and Jane Ward had the following children: March > C.N. Ward, B: 12/3/1838; Anderson W. Ward, B: July of 1841 in TN who married > Cynthia C.(maiden name unknown); Martha Ann Margaret Ward, B: 3/24/1844 in > Hardin Co., TN that married a Martin S. Hardin; James H. Ward, B: After > 1845; William Ward, B: After 1845. I do not know who A.H. Baird or J.C. > Baird are. I would like to know if, perhaps, they were brothers of James > Baird. > > The answer of James Kimis (guardian of Mary J., William D., James P., John > L. and Elizabeth Baird) to bill complains Cynthia Baird Complainant - This > defendant now and at all times hereafter saving and reserving answers and > says. It is true that John Baird was the son of James Baird - that James > Baird and complainant intermarried - that John Baird intermarried with > Matilda Baird, and died leaving a widow Matilda Baird, and five children > Mary J., William D., James P., John L. and Elizabeth Baird - defendant was > appointed regular guardian - but defendant would say that the said Mary J. > is now intermarried with one John P. McGaw and defendant is no longer her > guardian and also will as the present term of the Maury County Court > surrender his guardianship of the other children the said William D., James > P., John L., and Elizabeth Baird. Having fully answered defendant prays to > be hence dismissed and for such other and further relief - State of > Tennessee, Maury County - January 2, 1849. > > James Kimis is the brother-in-law of the widow, Matilda Dooley Baird. James > Kimis was married to Cynthia A Dooley Kimis on 1/12/1826 in Maury Co., TN. > John P Baird, B: EST 1807, married Matilda Dooley on 10/15/1827 in Maury > Co., TN. John and Matilda Baird's children are: Mary Jane Baird, > B:9/20/1828 in Maury Co., TN. and she married John McGaw (mayor of Columbia, > TN) on 12/17/1845 at the home of Matilda Baird; William Dooley Baird, B: > 8/24/1830 in Maury Co. married Mary J.C. (Maiden name unknown) in 1849; > James P. Baird, B: 8/20/1830 married Sara E. Kinzer on 10/10/1850 in Maury > Co.; John L. Baird B: Unk; Elizabeth Baird, B: Unk. Matilda and Cynthia's > parents were William Bell Dooley of Richmond Virginia and Jane Ferilla > Rutledge Dooley of Wilkes Co., N.C. I do not know who George S. Ross is, or > what relationship he had with the Bairds or the Dooleys. > > I have given as much information as I possibly could in the hopes that > someone can help me identify this James Baird/Beard and his ancestry. > > > > >

Would you have any information about Mary Ann Roberts Garrett born around 1771 in Mecklenburg Co. Va and died around 1853-1856 in Hardin Co. Mary Ann Roberts married William Garrett Nov 9, 1795 in Mecklenburg Co. Va. William died around 1814 in Mecklenburg Co. and Mary Ann traveled with her daughter Elizabeth & son in law Meredith Stone to Tenn in the 1820's they located in Hardin Co. I have not been able to find out exactly when Mary Ann Roberts Garrett died or if she left a will. In the 1850 Hardin Co. census she and her sister Elizabeth Robertson were living together. Any information about this family would be appreciated. Pat Sweatman

I don't know much about the McCracken family. I have put together the following based on My Mary McCracken Bain and William Bain living in Rutherford County, TN in the early 1800's up to about 1828. It is somewhat speculative: Rutherford County, TN Min. Bk. 6 p274 Inventory of estate of George McCracken: People buying items at the estate sale: Eli McCracken, Jas McCracken, Margaret, and Joseph McCracken. Laura Hitt had a hand written letter dated 4/8/1854 from Joseph and Adoline McCracken (Marion Co., Ark., Yellville) calling John , Daniel and George Bain (Marys Sons) nephews. I speculate based on the above that George McCracken's children were: Eli McCracken b. 1794 NC Jas. McCracken Margaret Joseph McCracken b. ca 1788 Mary McCracken Bain b. 1772 Not great work. Just an educated guess based on census data, letters, people at estate sale and folks known to be in Rutherford County, TN at the same time. Joe K. Bain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reddin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [TNHARDIN] Re: Bain Family > Would you know anything about this McCracken family? > > I have a Martha Jane (Jenny) McCracken as the first wife of Isaac Reddin. > She was born about 1798 in NC and married Isaac about 1814 in Washington > County, TN. Some speculation has been made that her father was Aquilla > McCracken, but I have also found a Hugh, William Hugh and a James that may > somehow be linked. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Tom Reddin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Cagle" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 9:48 PM > Subject: [TNHARDIN] Re: Bain Family > > > > I have "Marriages of Mecklenburg County North Carolina, 1783-1868" by > Brent H. Holcomb. The listing shows: > > William Bean marrying Mary McCracken on 12 September 1791, with George > McCracken, Bondsman. A very quick review of the "William Bain Family, > 1787-1979" by Laura Hitt tell me that William and Mary were married in > 1791. I found that date a couple of time with no day or month. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jkbain > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: David Cagle > > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:47 AM > > Subject: Re: Bain Family > > > > > > The only William Bain History in Hardin County that I am aware of is the > one completed by Laura Hitt and I worked with her some chasing down > information. I just checked the copy of her history that I have and she only > lists the wedding date of William and Mary as 1791 in Mecklenburge County, > NC. > > > > I recall that I gave her this information after a trip to NC and I have > the marriage date listed as 9/12/1791. Of course that was some 20 years ago > and I could have made a mistake. > > > > > > I would certainly like to know the sourse of the born in Scotland in > 1767 info. I have no doubt that they (or his kin) came from Scotland but I > don't know that Miss Laura or I ever found info documenting the fact. > > > > Thank you so much for the response and keep me in mind if you find other > info on the > > Bains. > > > > Joe K. Bain > > > > P.S. > > > > [Interesting McDaniel anecdote: A number of years ago I was instrumental > in having the Old Bain Cemetery moved to its present location in the Mt. > Hermon Cemetery. During the relocation we found an old coin and I had its > worth evaluated . (We needed all the help we could muster to assure the > upkeep of the relocated cemetery going forward) Turned out that it wasn't > worth much. I had made sure that the person in charge of the relocation knew > that I had the coin and we determined the exact grave that it came from so > that we could put it back if it was of little value. > > > > A gentleman from over at Jackson (McDaniel, I can't remember is first > name) heard about the coin and objected. He was kind with his objection. So > the responsible person and I went back to the site and we replaced (had a > funeral for) the coin.] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 1:27 AM > > Subject: Bain Family > > > > > > A couple of minor points regarding the info in your posting on 12 July > 2004. Info I have says that William was born in Scotland in 1767. Also, he > and Mary McCracken were married on 12 Aug 1791 (not Sep). According to my > notes this info came from the William Bain Family History, in the Hardin > County Historical Society Library. > > > > They had a daughter, Jane, born 15 Dec 1804 who married Amdon > McDaniel. Their daughter, Mary Naomi (b.1830), married Erastus Arundell > (1st) then Baltis Hinkle (2nd) who is my great grandfather. Baltis > "adopted" Mary's daughter, Amanda Jane Arundell. > > > > This probably doesn't provide any info you were looking for, but > thought I would mention the availability of the family history in the HCHS > library. > > > > Otis R. Hinkle > > > > > > ==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > > > > > ==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > >

John, Sorry I haven't gotten back sooner. There is a very good chance that your Cagles of Cabarrus Co., NC are closely kin to my Cagles. Although he apparently died before Cabarrus Co. was formed in 1792, David Cagle, 1728-ca 1783-90, probably lived in that part of Mecklenburg which later became Cabarrus. The 1800 Census of Cabarrus shows Henry Cagle, ca 1760-ca 1838, and Mary Cagle who was apparently the wife of Charles Cagle. From the 1800 and 1810 censuses, it appears that Henry Cagle, Sr. had at least 3 daughters, at least one of which was born between 1800 and 1810. In Hardin Co., TN census of 1830, I find George and John Taylor. George Taylor 00001-30001 John Taylor 00101-10001 John Taylor was in Hardin Co., by 1822. Henry Cagle, Sr. came to Hardin Co., ca 1831-32. John was on the 1833 Tax list living near the Cagles. He did not appear on the 1836 or 37 Tax List which suggest that he moved about 1834 or 35. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "John 'JT' Taylor" <[email protected]> To: "David Cagle" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Long, Mecklenburg Co., NC > Hello David, > > I am not certain if we have talked before, I think we have, but I hope > you can help. I am looking for the parents and any siblings of Eliza > Ellen Cagle, b. 1807 Cabarrus County, NC. She married John Henry Taylor > b. 8/25/1808 Montgomery County, NC. We are fairly certain they were > married in Hardin County, TN. I have no proof that they were with the > group that moved to Hardin but I am fairly certain they were with the > group or moved around the same time as the group. There is another > female Cagle who married into the Taylor family that ended up living > with John and Eliza in her later years. Her name is Barbara Cagle > (maiden name not known) and was the mother of Mary Eliza Cagle who > married John and Eliza's Grandson William Verpo Taylor. Mary Eliza along > with John and Eliza and buried in the Taylor Family Cemetery near > Rabittown, AL > > That is about all the info that I have on that part of the Cagle part of > our family and am very interested in any help. I do have several other > Cagles that married into our allied families. > > Thank you, > John Taylor > St Louis, MO > > David Cagle wrote: > > >The Henry Cagle Sr. I am related to was the son of David Cagle, b. 1728 Ger., d. 1783-90 NC. Henry Sr. and _______Wagoner had 4 sons, Henry Cagle Jr., 1780-1857; George Cagle ca 1790-1840; David Cagle and Charles Cagle. This family lived on the west side of the Rocky River in Mecklenburg which became Cabarrus in 1792. Henry Sr. owned land on both sides of Rocky River in Cabarrus and Montgomery Counties. By 1820, Henry Sr. is living in Montgomery. As far as I know his sons remained in Cabarrus until the 1820's. > > > >With the exception of son, David, all this family eventually moved to Hardin County Tennessee. Charles was in the Hardin Co. TN recordes as early as 1822, George followed in 1826, Henry Jr. came in 1828 and Henry Sr. arrived in 1831-32. Charles moved to adjacent McNairy County which was part of Hardin until 1823. George, Henry, Jr and perhaps Henry Sr. moved to New Madrid Co., MO in 1838. There is no further record of Henry Sr. who apparently died in 1838 in either in Hardin Co., TN or New Madrid Co., MO. George was killed by a falling tree in New Madrid in 1840. Henry, Jr. died in 1857 in New Madrid. > > > >There were several families who moved from Mecklenburg/Cabarrus/Montgomery/ Anson Counties NC to Hardin Co., TN in the 1820-30 period. Some Names were: > > > >Cagle > >Polk/Clontz > >Wells > >Callens > >Shelby > >Long > >Freeman > >Coburn > > > >I would enjoy learning more about these NC families. Any help will be appreciated. > >David > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 3:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Long, Mecklenburg Co., NC > > > > > > Henry and George Cagle were common names of Henry Sr Cagles line. Of modern Montgomery and or Moore, he lived near the line. > > > > Henry m. Sykes, records in Rowan. > > > > Iam > > > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > >

I am trying to find information on my great great grandparents. They are George Williamson and Eliza Hooper. They were both born in TN and that is all I know about them. They had a son named Tom, one named Riley and three daughters, Tennie, Mary (Mollie), and Alice. Riley, Tennie, Alice and Mary all ended up in Dunklin Co., MO. If anyone has any information on the TN Hooper's or Williamson's, I would appreciate any help. Thanks a lot. Charlotte McClain Christensen