I read earlier, the note about the Higginbotham in Hardin County and thought I would share my latest research project. I found in a book on "The Genealogies of Barbados Families" a John Redin as a heir in the will of Charles Higginbotham of Barbados. John Redin's mother was Millicent Higginbotham, the daughter of Charles Higginbotham. In the middle 16th century some of Charles Higginbotham's children moved to Amherst County, Virginia. Then to Georgia and one family of Thomas Higginbotham moved later to Tennessee. My g.g.g.g. grandfather John Reddin who married Sidney Sevier the parents of Samuel Reddin the patriarch of the Bingham Family and Isaac Reddin the patriarch of the Reddin Families of Hardin County, could be that same John Redin son of Millicent Higginbotham. I am currently trying to find proof of these connections. Higginbotham Genealogy is recorded back to Nicholas Higginbotham ca. 1550 in Moorepoole, Cheshire, England. I'm just one or two doucments away. Henry Hanson College Station, Tx.

I am trying to find parents of Laban Kelley b. 1797 in SC. Laban married Tirzah Christan b. 1803 in Elbert County, GA. Tirzah was the daughter of Nancy Higginbotham and Jesse George Christian. I suspect that Laban's father was Elijah Kelley b. abt. 1755 in NC d. abt 1800 SC. Children: Elijah b. abt. 1781 Spartenburgh County, SC Garrett b. abt. 1791 Spartenburgh County, SC Ephraim b. abt. 1795 Spartenburgh County, SC (married Jane Higginbotham) Elisha b. abt. 1795 Spartenburgh County, SC (married Dolly Higginbotham) **I believe that Laban b. 1797 SC fits in here**(married Tirzah Christian, daughter of Nancy Higginbotham) Joseph b. abt. 1801 Spartenburgh County, SC (married Dicy Higginbotham) Several things lead me to believe that my Laban Kelley is connected to Elijah: Elijah had several children who married into the Higginbotham family of Elbert County, GA, and my Laban married a daughter of Nancy Higginbotham of Elbert County. Elijah's children were born in Spartanburgh County, SC between the years 1781 and 1801. My Laban Kelley was born August 8, 1797 in SC. Elijah had several children who moved from SC to Perry County, Tennessee in the early 1820's. My Laban Kelley is listed on the 1830 Perry County census and on the 1832 Perry County Tax List. Also, my Laban Kelley's first 3 children were born in Tennessee, possibly one or more being born in Hardin County. Elijah's family has recurring names within the family. Some of these names are Elijah, Riley, Nancy, and Joseph. These same names recur in my Laban Kelley's family. Finally, my Laban named his first born son Jesse George after his wife's father, his second born son was named Elijah (after his own father???), and his third born son Laban Christopher after himself. His first born daughter was named Nancy Teresa after his mother-in-law and his wife. Please let me know your thoughts on this. I would appreciate any input anyone might have.

I'm researching the Bazzell family (among others) in Hardin county. My mother's great uncle was William T. Bazzell, son of Harris Jones Bazzell and Sarah W. Sawyers. He was married to Nellie Jane Smith, daughter of John Groves Smith and Mentie Johnson. I just discovered who her parents were because I sent for her social security application. According to the application, her mother was "Mentie Johnson" and her father was John Groves Smith. Nellie was born May 8, 1885. I discovered the family of John G. Smith (including Nellie J. as daughter) living right next to the Harris Jones Bazzell family in the 1900 census. John G. Smith was head of house, and living with his second wife, Sarah. He was born Sept. 1858 in MO and his parents were both born in VA. Children listed were: Nonnie, dau, b. April 1883, b. MS Nellie J. dau, b. May 1885, b. TN Norah L. dau, b. Sept. 1889 b. TN Josie A., dau. B. July 1893 b. TN David D. son, March 1895 b. TN Leula L, dau, Oct. 1899 b. TN According the census, John and Sarah were married 12 years, making the two oldest children, the children of Mentie, not Sarah. Any information on this Smith family would be appreciated, especially since my grandfather's sister also married a Smith, wondering if there is a connection. My grandfather, Garland Shipman b. 1907 had an older sister, Ethel, who married Edd Smith in Counce, Pickwick area. Thanks! Beryl Reid

Thanks David, I will check it out. Ed ----------------------------- See home page at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adams1895

Ed, I suspect that it is whitelawn Cemetery. David ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: [TNHARDIN] Need Location of Church and Cemetery > Any Hardin County folks know where this church and cemetery would be located? > > On the 21 Nov. 1896 John A. Montgomery and wife Ollie M. sold 3 acres and 150 > poles of land to James G. Montgomery, James M. O'Neal, B. C. Alexander, James > Hopper and E. W. Hopper, trustees "for the purpose of a public burying ground > and for building a church house on for the Cumberland Presbyterian > Denomination ......." > > This was in the 13th Civil District. Does any one know where this church and > graveyard would be located today? > > Thanks > Ed > ----------------------------- > See home page at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adams1895 > > > ==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > >

Any Hardin County folks know where this church and cemetery would be located? On the 21 Nov. 1896 John A. Montgomery and wife Ollie M. sold 3 acres and 150 poles of land to James G. Montgomery, James M. O'Neal, B. C. Alexander, James Hopper and E. W. Hopper, trustees "for the purpose of a public burying ground and for building a church house on for the Cumberland Presbyterian Denomination ......." This was in the 13th Civil District. Does any one know where this church and graveyard would be located today? Thanks Ed ----------------------------- See home page at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adams1895

That explains what Shep Thacker was doing on the river. In those days, the River was the railroad and the interstate thrown into one. We could tell by what Allen said that he worked on a keel boat as well. Do you have any idea where Limestone Creek AL is. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbert Perry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 6:50 AM Subject: Shep > David, I'm working with William Thacker on an article > for the Historian. He says Shep did work on the river. > Shep was a keel boat man. William remembers nothing > said about Allen's. Herb > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >

Jane, I haven't given up yet. Samuel appears very clear that he was an Allen, knew his exact birth date and that his father was a stonemason in KY. What is not clear is why he had to live with his grandmother (who he didn't name) when he was 6 years old. Probably an epidemic. His grandmother got too old or perhaps died and Samuel went with Miss Banks. A relative? An aunt? "Traveled for about a year." What kind of business was Miss Banks involved in? Then met Mr. Stanton of Tennessee on the Chattahoochee River of GA. Did Miss Banks Marry Mr. Stanton? Apparently Mr. Stanton was from Kingston TN, or at least East Tennessee which would suggest that Samuel Allen was probably form Eastern KY. Mr. Stanton is logically the one who mistreated Samuel. It appears that Mr. Stanton was a trader. Shep Thacker came to Hardin Co. TN form the Kingston Area in 1816, but I have no idea what Shep Thacker was doing in AL in 1840. Unrelated item. This week I have been surveying the "Old Watson place" on Hardin Creek. There is about 100 acres left in that farm at this time. David SAMUEL R. ALLEN, one of the best known and most respected residents of the Twelfth District, was born in Kentucky, August 16, 1830. His father was also a native of that State, a stone-mason by trade. Mr. Allen was raised by his grandmother, remaining with her until his sixth year, when he went home with Miss Banks, traveling for about one year; met with Mr. Stanton of Tennessee, on the Chattahoochie River in Georgia; the following year went to Kingston, Tenn., from there he went on a flatboat on the Tennessee River to Limestone Creek, Alabama, and there met Shep Thacker with whom he came to Hardin County in 1840 and remained with him for twelve years. He then began renting lands and farming. September, 1855 he was married to Miss Harriet Whitlow, of Hardin County who died January 27, 1884. This union resulted in the birth of eleven children, of whom are living, Milton J., Sarah M., Granville S., Grant A., Ettie E., William R. and George H.; two died in infancy. Mr. Allen mar! ried the second time to Mrs. Isabella (Falls) McDaniel of Hardin County. Mr. Allen is a zealous member of the Christian Church., belongs to the Agricultural Wheel of Tennessee, and is a staunch Republican. He is one of the most enterprising, cordial and esteemed men in the entire community. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Ellis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: RE: [TNHARDIN] Re: family ties > Bertha and David and other Allen researchers: > > I know I have told both of you this, but thought I would post it on the list > just in case someone else has a clue for us. > > Concerning Samuel R. Allen: > > Family tales told that Samuel R. Allen was an orphan and traveled the river > on a raft(probably the Tennessee River, although I always envisioned the > Mississippi when I was young), and ended up living with a family whose name > was Allen, and that he took on the name Allen from that family. The story > continues that at some point he was living with a man who ran a ferry and > was being mistreated, and someone (maybe Shep Thacker) came to his rescue > and took him away from the man who was mistreating him. Now, I don't know > if the Allen's were the ones who were doing the mistreating or not, and I > don't know how much has been added or taken away from the story as it was > passed down, nor do I know if any of the story was true or not, but that is > the way my uncle tells it. > > My uncle did some research many years ago, and read in a Time/Life book that > a James Allen ran a ferry on the Natchez Trace, and my uncle believes this > was the Allen family my great, great grandpa Samuel Allen must have lived > with. I found some information about the Allen's along the trace, but have > still made no connection with them either. Dates just didn't seem to fit > well. For the record and for some reason unbeknownst to me, my uncle > discarded all of his research and really prefers to not discuss it, although > he occasionally will discuss it with me. > > I do not know why my great, great grandfather would have told he were from > KY if he wasn't, and why he would have made up the story about his father > being a stone mason. Perhaps he just wanted a family history so he made one > up. The story handed down in the family matches what he told in his > biography to an extent. He was an orphan and he did travel on a river. He > was also taken in by a man (Shep Thacker), for what reasons we don't know. > > I am surprised that no one in my Allen or Watson families has ever mentioned > our Allen's being related to other Allen's in Hardin County, but I guess > that is a possibility if there were bad feelings or something. Maybe none > of them knew it either. I have tried to find some of Samuel's descendants > but so far I have been limited to those from the descendants of M. J. Allen > (my line) who lived in Hookers Bend. Hopefully some of the other Allens who > descended from Samuel knew more, but I am afraid we will never solve the > mystery of Samuel R. Allen. > > If anyone ever does, please let me know! > > Jane Watson Ellis > > A self-appointed family historian and proud of it. You can check out my > family's history at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hookersbend/ > > > > ==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > >

Bertha and David and other Allen researchers: I know I have told both of you this, but thought I would post it on the list just in case someone else has a clue for us. Concerning Samuel R. Allen: Family tales told that Samuel R. Allen was an orphan and traveled the river on a raft(probably the Tennessee River, although I always envisioned the Mississippi when I was young), and ended up living with a family whose name was Allen, and that he took on the name Allen from that family. The story continues that at some point he was living with a man who ran a ferry and was being mistreated, and someone (maybe Shep Thacker) came to his rescue and took him away from the man who was mistreating him. Now, I don't know if the Allen's were the ones who were doing the mistreating or not, and I don't know how much has been added or taken away from the story as it was passed down, nor do I know if any of the story was true or not, but that is the way my uncle tells it. My uncle did some research many years ago, and read in a Time/Life book that a James Allen ran a ferry on the Natchez Trace, and my uncle believes this was the Allen family my great, great grandpa Samuel Allen must have lived with. I found some information about the Allen's along the trace, but have still made no connection with them either. Dates just didn't seem to fit well. For the record and for some reason unbeknownst to me, my uncle discarded all of his research and really prefers to not discuss it, although he occasionally will discuss it with me. I do not know why my great, great grandfather would have told he were from KY if he wasn't, and why he would have made up the story about his father being a stone mason. Perhaps he just wanted a family history so he made one up. The story handed down in the family matches what he told in his biography to an extent. He was an orphan and he did travel on a river. He was also taken in by a man (Shep Thacker), for what reasons we don't know. I am surprised that no one in my Allen or Watson families has ever mentioned our Allen's being related to other Allen's in Hardin County, but I guess that is a possibility if there were bad feelings or something. Maybe none of them knew it either. I have tried to find some of Samuel's descendants but so far I have been limited to those from the descendants of M. J. Allen (my line) who lived in Hookers Bend. Hopefully some of the other Allens who descended from Samuel knew more, but I am afraid we will never solve the mystery of Samuel R. Allen. If anyone ever does, please let me know! Jane Watson Ellis A self-appointed family historian and proud of it. You can check out my family's history at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hookersbend/

Who was John Harrison Reynolds parents? Lynda McCarn Breeding ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annette Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:51 PM Subject: [TNHARDIN] Reynolds-Shelby Marriage Date > I am trying to find the marriage date for John Harrison Reynolds and Nancy > Elizabeth Shelby. I know that they were married by Squire Dave Haggard at > his home in the community of Swift, TN and think the date is sometime in > the fall of 1914. > > > Annette Stricklin Williams > [email protected] > > > > > > ==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > > >

This message is being forwarded to the list by the listowner. If you can add something to the message below or wish to contact the person who wrote the message, reply to "Sarah Burks" <[email protected]>. Please do not reply to the listowner. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burks, Sarah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Darnall Burks (E-mail)" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} thanks for the online Brazelton's History > Thank you, Ed Adams for the online version of Brazelton's History of Hardin Co. that's great! > Sarah Burks > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:12 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: TNHARDIN-D Digest V04 #99 > > > > << Message: >> << Message: Brazelton's History of Hardin Co. >> << Message: Re: [TNHARDIN] Hardin or Worthen >> << Message: Re: [TNHARDIN] James Hardin >> > >

I am trying to find the marriage date for John Harrison Reynolds and Nancy Elizabeth Shelby. I know that they were married by Squire Dave Haggard at his home in the community of Swift, TN and think the date is sometime in the fall of 1914. Annette Stricklin Williams [email protected]

Bertha, The article below, copied from Goodspeeds' History was probably written by Samuel himself. If he were kin to the other Allens living in Hardin Co. why wouldn't he mention the fact? Or, why wouldn't someone in the family know? He said he lived with his grandmother until he was 6 which indicates to me that his parents were dead. Then he went home with Miss Banks who was probably a relative, but who? Sounds more like he is with a traveling circus? Who was Mr. Stanton? We know Shepherd Thacker, but what was he doing on Limestone Creek AL? I know where Shep lived--between Mountain View and Cross Roads. The Whitlows and Wades lived nearby. Samuel married one of his neighbors, Harriet Whitlow, in 1855. They name their first child, Milton, after Milton Whitlow and the first daughter, Sarah, after Milton's wife, Sarah Wade Whitlow, parents of Harriet. I note that some of the Allens in Hardin Co., TN were born in KY. There could be a connection there. David SAMUEL R. ALLEN, one of the best known and most respected residents of the Twelfth District, was born in Kentucky, August 16, 1830. His father was also a native of that State, a stone-mason by trade. Mr. Allen was raised by his grandmother, remaining with her until his sixth year, when he went home with Miss Banks, traveling for about one year; met with Mr. Stanton of Tennessee, on the Chattahoochie River in Georgia; the following year went to Kingston, Tenn., from there he went on a flatboat on the Tennessee River to Limestone Creek, Alabama, and there met Shep Thacker with whom he came to Hardin County in 1840 and remained with him for twelve years. He then began renting lands and farming. September, 1855 he was married to Miss Harriet Whitlow, of Hardin County who died January 27, 1884. This union resulted in the birth of eleven children, of whom are living, Milton J., Sarah M., Granville S., Grant A., Ettie E., William R. and George H.; two died in infancy. Mr. Allen mar! ried the second time to Mrs. Isabella (Falls) McDaniel of Hardin County. Mr. Allen is a zealous member of the Christian Church., belongs to the Agricultural Wheel of Tennessee, and is a staunch Republican. He is one of the most enterprising, cordial and esteemed men in the entire community. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bertha Allen To: David Cagle Cc: David Cagle Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:10 PM Subject: family ties Hi David, I got a worm so I've been gone for almost a week, was lucky this time and didn't lose everything. I talked with a relative and she told me some stories that have been passed down through the family, Of course they are stories but I found them interesting, so I thought I would pass them on see what you think. It is told that ?? Allen lived KY for several years KY was until about 1810 for some reason considered part of VA, there were several brothers, some would stay and keep the younger children, the others would go ahead to another place, find work set up a home then the others would come, she also said some died with disease cholera and the like, some of the Brothers stayed in NC, some ot them stayed in TN, My branch continued on to TX where they are until this day. I read her the info I had found on Micajah Allen the father and the son. Since it isn't possible for one man and woman to have 17 children under 10 years of age they must have had their brothers children while the brothers were off to another place. She felt as I do this is the Allen family. She said the Samuel R Allen could have been a child left behind while his parents moved west or they could have died and he was left with other family members one of the Allen's wife's family.If that was the case he wouldn't have known his family.It's told there was 11 brothers, they all had skills and weren't just farmers or laborers, this also fits with micajah being a stone mason. and John being a gun smith. Elisa Allen john's daughter was a weaver.one or more were preachers. With this familles history of moving around one of these brothers could be Samuel's father, Micajah the son was born in KY or VA Wilson was born in Ky. Of course there is no way I know of to prove any of this, but it all sound reasonable and could explain why Samuel wouldn't know his parents.But could also explain why he went to Hardin TN, could be his father and mother wasn't there but other family members were. Let me know what you think. Bertha

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Copies were available at the Hardin County Library. You might try there? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Campbell" <[email protected]> To: "David Cagle" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [TNHARDIN] James Hardin > Is the "History of Hardin County Tennessee" available for purchase anywhere? > I would love to buy a copy. > > Donna Motley Campbell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Cagle <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [TNHARDIN] James Hardin > > > > The 1820 census doesn't name the wife and children of James Hardin. B. > G. > > Brazelton in his 1885 "History of Hardin County Tennessee" lists that > family > > as follows: > > Wife: Nelly > > Children: > > Joseph > > Benjamin > > James > > Jane > > Kizzie > > Margaret > > Mary > > Elizabeth > > Elender > > > > James died ca 1826 and his family moved to KY. > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Barbara Wallace" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 7:39 PM > > Subject: [TNHARDIN] James Hardin > > > > > > > I am interested in the names of the wife and children of the James > Hardin > > found in the 1820 Hardin Co., TN census. > > > I appreciate your time and effort. > > > Barbara > > > > > > > > > ==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > > > Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > > > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > > > > >

The book is not indexed and I don't know off the top of my head. Sorry, David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Wallace" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 12:33 PM Subject: [TNHARDIN] Hardin or Worthen > David, > Thanks for the information on the family of James Hardin. > One more question - did B. G. Brazelton in his 1885 "History of Hardin County Tennessee" mention anything about a Worthen by any spelling? > Thanks, > Barbara > > > ==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > >

Is the "History of Hardin County Tennessee" available for purchase anywhere? I would love to buy a copy. Donna Motley Campbell ----- Original Message ----- From: David Cagle <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [TNHARDIN] James Hardin > The 1820 census doesn't name the wife and children of James Hardin. B. G. > Brazelton in his 1885 "History of Hardin County Tennessee" lists that family > as follows: > Wife: Nelly > Children: > Joseph > Benjamin > James > Jane > Kizzie > Margaret > Mary > Elizabeth > Elender > > James died ca 1826 and his family moved to KY. > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Wallace" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 7:39 PM > Subject: [TNHARDIN] James Hardin > > > > I am interested in the names of the wife and children of the James Hardin > found in the 1820 Hardin Co., TN census. > > I appreciate your time and effort. > > Barbara > > > > > > ==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > > > > > > > > ==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ >

David, Thanks for the information on the family of James Hardin. One more question - did B. G. Brazelton in his 1885 "History of Hardin County Tennessee" mention anything about a Worthen by any spelling? Thanks, Barbara

Is there any indication that this James HARDIN may be related to my 3rd ggrandfather Lewis HARDIN, (b. 1798, NC; d. 1857, Wayne Co., TN.)?I have nothing in my records beyond Lewis, and would love to find a connection to his family. The same situation applies to his wife, Margaret HARPER, who died in Wayne Co in 1860. . Searching these lines that were in Wayne and Hardin Counties, sometimes both. Hardin Harper Copeland Greer Thompson Nesbitt Warford White Any help appreciated! Mary Nesbitt Garrison

The 1820 census doesn't name the wife and children of James Hardin. B. G. Brazelton in his 1885 "History of Hardin County Tennessee" lists that family as follows: Wife: Nelly Children: Joseph Benjamin James Jane Kizzie Margaret Mary Elizabeth Elender James died ca 1826 and his family moved to KY. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Wallace" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 7:39 PM Subject: [TNHARDIN] James Hardin > I am interested in the names of the wife and children of the James Hardin found in the 1820 Hardin Co., TN census. > I appreciate your time and effort. > Barbara > > > ==== TNHARDIN Mailing List ==== > Visit the Hardin County, Tennessee Genealogy and History Page at > http://www.tngenweb.org/hardin/ > >