This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ihB.2ACI/4131.4.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: okay, then you are interested in the one near my Turneys, the Turney land description says next to Abraham Bird, and there was a Joseph Hawkins adjoining this Abraham Bird. on the 1785 Head of Household for Shenandoah Co VA 11. List of John Anderson Anderson's list was taken in Woodstock, along the river from Woodstock to Edinburg, around Hamburg, etc. Name of Head White souls dwellings other buildings Bird, Abraham 15 2 4 Hawkins, Joseph 9 1 9 Turney, Daniel 6 1 1 Turney, Peter 3 1 1 Mathany, Joseph 7 1 (think this one was a Quaker) Mathony, Daniel 10 2 1 Nuland, Daniel Jr 8 1 1 Bowman, John 7 1 1 Bowman, Benja Bowman, George Countz, George Nisely, Jacob and others. The Abraham Bird/Byrd at Red Banks (between Edinburg and Mt jackson) Bird, Abraham 12 1 4 Bird, Nounce 7 1 4 others on this list in this neighborhood include 3 Allen, Conrod Brinker, Taverner Beale, Jacob Funkhouser, George Graybil, Adam Giger, Joseph Mathany, 2 Neff, 4 Penewit, James Skeen, 2 Taylor, Samuel Young, George Weaver, etc there is a note: It will be observed that there were two men in the county in 1785 by the name of Abraham Bird, both with large families, one at or near Woodstock, the other at or near Red Banks. Mary Turney Miller