Joan Marie, I noted the 1850 and 1860 census records also. Jane and Jacob Harbin are living with Absalom and Jane Miller in 1850 which does not give relationships. I also noted the difference in place of birth reported in 1850 and 1870/1880. The state of birth is not always reported the same from one census to another. So one cannot presume that it is the same or a different Jane Harbin in 1850 and 1870/80. However, the ages and location are very close and there are not many Harbins in the area.. It is probable that Absalom or Jane reported the place of birth in 1850 or that whoever reported it was wrong. It is possible that Jane and Jacob came to Tennessee at a very early age and did not know that they were born in Virginia. One possiblity might be that Jane and Jacob are Jane's children by an earlier marriage and that Absalom is her second husband. However, I did not find a marriage record for them either. Without a marriage record, it might also be possible to confirm this if there is a probate record of a Mr. Harbin naming widow Jane and two children Jane and Jacob. Or if there is some other record indicating Jane had been married before. Another possibility is that these are a niece and nephew or some other relatives of Absalom or Jane who are now living with them. If they were Jane's children from an earlier marriage or someone else's children, this might explain the difference in reported place of birth, too. Further research on "brother?" Jacob's line might produce some results. If Absalom Miller has a will or probate record, that might indicate the relationship of these children in his household. Further research on Jane Miller or Jane Harbin or Samuel Harbin or his sister or her son might help, too. It looks like it is going to be a difficult trail to follow. Are you researching all Harbins or are these people related to you in a known way? Ross Cameron >>> [email protected] 06/26/03 12:41AM >>> Tina Cooke & Ross Cameron, Thank you for your replies. I had not thought of those kids with Jane HARBIN on the 1870 & 80 as being born out of wedlock. Actually I do show a Jane age 12 (instead of 10) & her ?bro Jacob 9 in Dist 2 of Grainger Co. in 1850 Would Bean's Sta have been in Dist. 2 then? They said then that they were b in VA (as opposed to TN) & the people they were living with were b in VA too. The Jacob is possibly in Rutledge in 1870 & Dist 4 in 1880, but the state is TN same as Jane said. No, I don't know Samuel's or Jane's whereabouts after 1880 - they could have gone anywhere. I have the Harbin burials from vol 2 of the cemetery records, but no other deaths and no births or marriages for Grainger, hence I would like any HARBINS - male or female - listed in other books. Thanks again. Does anybody else have anything to contribute. I need all the help I can get! Joan Marie in Oregon ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected]