I would say yes to that probability, Regan. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Eleanor -----Original Message----- From: Regan Conley [mailto:reganconley@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:05 PM To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Legislative list It also strikes me that there are a lot of well known Grainger Co. names missing from that, too. People who likely would have been landowners and over 21. Given how thick on the ground the Mayes clan was, it seems unusual that there is just one one the whole list. I wonder if the petitioners are those people/heads of household who simply lived or farmed along the proposed road? Regan On Jan 19, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Gail Roorda wrote: > Further Moses and Jesse Hodge and John McCarty at least according > to the 1810 tax list owned no land in 1810 or at least no land was > list in the tax list. > Gail > ----- Original Message ----- From: "ELEANOR McCAIN" > <eleanormccain@comcast.net> > To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 07:10 > Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Legislative list > > >> Can anyone tell me if the lists of names Gail posted for the 1806 >> legislative petition just consisted of property owners? I am certain >> they all had to be over 21, but did they also have to own land to be >> able to sign this petition? >> >> Thanks, >> Eleanor ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com

That's the second half of the list of names on the petition. The first half appeared the previous issue which wasn't in the NWMGS library. The Ansearchin magazine sppeared to have been donated. I don't think the library has a subscription. As I have already said according to tax lists several of these young men owned no land in 1806. Later they did own land. They bought it or inherited or their fathers turned it over to them. Despite the fact that John Ivy's tombstone in Economy says he died in in 1868 in his 85 year. Elizabeth Ivy Consort of 1880 in her 95 year.. (these are indeed their DODs I have the the exact dates.) It is generally agreed that John was the youngest Ivy. Neither John nor his wife were anywhere close to 85 or 95 when they died. A fellow Ivy researcher and I once traded a series of hilarious letters on the various dates we had for the Ivy (Ivey) brothers births. If we move them around according to dates Benjamin becomes older that Thomas etc. "Maybe they were twins." I guess they could have been <grin>..or sometimes they become triplets. Jane Howell Ivy said in a deposition in Henry's Revolutionary pension file that they kept NO record of the birth of their children.... However, although the dates vary the brothers would have been Phillip, Thomas, Benjamin and John No other brother becomes older than Phillip. Phillip WAS the oldest. Robert Alison Iveys book says Phillip Ivey was born 1780. So does George Franks Ivys Iveys in the United States (A really fascinating feature of this book is that it has my line in it twice although this is not immediately apparent on the surface! <grin>) In a deposition in Henry Howells Revolutionary person file in her sister-in- law Jane O. Collins Howells behalf Jane said Phillip was born in 1783. My records indicate this date. Now remember in Henry's file said they kept NO record NOT that she didn't KNOW. Jane was Phillip's mother..a mother would know wouldn't she. <smile> Sorry for this long dissertation but neither John Ivy or Benjamin were I think 21 in 1806. And I don't think Dudley Mayes was 21 either. IF he was 21 he was barely 21. Jesse Hodge could have been 21. Neither Jesse or Moses lived long enough to be on the 1850 census. I thought that both Jesse and Moses would have been in their mid 20s in 1806. However, Jesse was a little younger than I thought and is still listed as a male aged 16 to 26 on the 1810 census. I also looked on the 1805 tax list and several of these young men were not taxed not even as 1 fee poll. As I said years ago when I encountered this document that a little fudging was involved. As I said before I think they REALLy wanted this road change. This is not to say I don't think the document has no value. I copied and keep it in the same notebook as I keep my taxlists information. It is I believe to a certain degree a guide to the age of the petioners. A researcher located this list through a rootsweb search. Although I know nothing of the William Webster on the list of petitioners and she didn't have an exact date just a circa we could pretty well eliminate her ancestor as being the William Webster on the tax list. Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "ELEANOR McCAIN" <eleanormccain@comcast.net> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 06:53 Subject: RE: [TNGRAING-L] Legislative list >I would say yes to that probability, Regan. Thanks for sharing your > thoughts. > Eleanor > > -----Original Message----- > From: Regan Conley [mailto:reganconley@earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:05 PM > To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Legislative list > > It also strikes me that there are a lot of well known Grainger Co. > names missing from that, too. People who likely would have been > landowners and over 21. Given how thick on the ground the Mayes clan > was, it seems unusual that there is just one one the whole list. > > I wonder if the petitioners are those people/heads of household who > simply lived or farmed along the proposed road? > > Regan > > On Jan 19, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Gail Roorda wrote: > >> Further Moses and Jesse Hodge and John McCarty at least according >> to the 1810 tax list owned no land in 1810 or at least no land was >> list in the tax list. >> Gail >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ELEANOR McCAIN" >> <eleanormccain@comcast.net> >> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 07:10 >> Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Legislative list >> >> >>> Can anyone tell me if the lists of names Gail posted for the 1806 >>> legislative petition just consisted of property owners? I am certain >>> they all had to be over 21, but did they also have to own land to be >>> able to sign this petition? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Eleanor > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to > tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

Dear everyone, I try to keep up on such things. Read up on Tennessee law, probate (the rules changed over the years) etc., BUT is everyone CERTAIN that one had to be a landowner in order to sign a legislative petition. I think a little "fudging" was involved by the petioners as far as age..at least those I know..HOWEVER are we certain that one had to be a landowner??? Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "ELEANOR McCAIN" <eleanormccain@comcast.net> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 06:53 Subject: RE: [TNGRAING-L] Legislative list >I would say yes to that probability, Regan. Thanks for sharing your > thoughts. > Eleanor > > -----Original Message----- > From: Regan Conley [mailto:reganconley@earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:05 PM > To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Legislative list > > It also strikes me that there are a lot of well known Grainger Co. > names missing from that, too. People who likely would have been > landowners and over 21. Given how thick on the ground the Mayes clan > was, it seems unusual that there is just one one the whole list. > > I wonder if the petitioners are those people/heads of household who > simply lived or farmed along the proposed road? > > Regan > > On Jan 19, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Gail Roorda wrote: > >> Further Moses and Jesse Hodge and John McCarty at least according >> to the 1810 tax list owned no land in 1810 or at least no land was >> list in the tax list. >> Gail >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ELEANOR McCAIN" >> <eleanormccain@comcast.net> >> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 07:10 >> Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Legislative list >> >> >>> Can anyone tell me if the lists of names Gail posted for the 1806 >>> legislative petition just consisted of property owners? I am certain >>> they all had to be over 21, but did they also have to own land to be >>> able to sign this petition? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Eleanor > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to > tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >