I cannot answer your question on Nancy Long, Emily Long or James D. Long living with Mary Boatman in 1850 living in District 4. I have never been able to identify them. I notice Mary is living next door to Ezekial Boatman and wife Mary. Ezekial Boatman married Mary Boatman on 23 January 1834 in Grainger County. John Cox was the Bondsman. Then in 1860 she is listed as a widow and living with the Thomas and Mahala Salzman family, still in District 4. In 1860, Nancy 45, Emily J. 20, James 18, and Joseph F. age 7, are living in District 9. In 1870, Nancy 54, Emma J. 25 and Joseph F, 16 are living in Dist 13, Jefferson County. This census is hard to read, but I feel it is the same family. I could not locate James E. Long in a census record. In 1880, Nancy 60 and Emma J, 39 are living in District 3, Hamblen County. Nancy states her mother and father were both born in NC. Joseph has married and is living in District 4 Hamblen County, i.e. Joseph 26, Viola 19, Robert 8, and Lula 6/12. This is the last record I can find on Nancy and Emma J. and could not locate a burial for them. In 1900, Joseph 52, Viola 45, Robert 23, Lula 20, Henry, b. Texas, 8, and Edna, b. Indian Territory, are living in Oklahoma Territory, Wichita Reservation. In 1910, Joseph has returned to Hamblen County and is living in District 4, listed as Joseph F. 58, married twice, (- ? -) wife, 49, married twice, mother of 4, 4 living, Tinnie P. (?) age 12, Mary S., age 8, Tinnie Miller (?), housekeeper, and Lula Long, Daughter, age 32. This census page is very faint and hard to read. This is the last record I have on this family and I have not been able to locate a burial or death date for Joseph. Thought if I could find that, his death certificate might tell me who his mother was. Their ages "jump around" which is not too unusual and if they belong to the Reuben Long family it could be the family of John Long and Rachel ( - ? - ). I think John had a male born between 1800 - 1810, whom I have never been able to identify. I have nothing that would indicate that Nancy is connected in any way to Hardy and Rachel Cash Long. Hardy and Rachel Cash Long were married in 1817 in Pulaski County, KY, so unless he was married before he married Rachel, Nancy born ca 1814 could not be his daughter. He did have a son James, b.1818 who married America Stubblefield, and he had a daughter Emily, b. 1845 who married John William Crews. I have Emily's death certificate which states she is their daughter. Several of John and Emily's children migrated to Morgan County, Illinois, and I knew them personally. I also have a missing female for Hardy Long and Rachel Cash, born between 1820 and 1825 in Kentucky, who has been listed as the Dorothy Long that married Thomas Bird on 14 February 1840 in Grainger County. She may be, but so far I have not been able to verify this information. He also had a male b. 1820-1825 and a male b. 1825-1830, which I have never been able to identify. They would have both been born in Kentucky. Hardy and Rachel's daughter Sarah "Sallie" Long did marry Jacob Tate Noe, Sr. and Hillyard Bird married Catherine Noe, Jacob Tate's sister. I also do not have a date for Sarah Long and Jacob Tate Noe's marriage. One of Sarah "Sallie" Long's grandsons also migrated to Morgan County, Illinois, and I knew them personally. As a young girl I spent many a day and holidays with them. Also, one of James Long and America Stubblefield's granddaughters migrated to Morgan County, Illinois, along with other Stubblefields from Grainger County. As you probably are aware there were four different Long families in Grainger and Hawkins County before the 1830's, but I have never been able to connect them together in any way, but it certainly makes researching Long's in East Tennessee a challenging job. My first cousin, who bears the Long Surname, just joined the Long DNA Project and I am hoping to get other Grainger County Longs to do so. Maybe we can solve some of the mysteries that way.

Dear Carolyn, You are, of course, the expert on the Longs in general that I hoped would respond to my query. An observation on the Longs. They liked the name Joseph. <grin> However, the name Joseph appears not to be a "clue". I do believe that names CAN be clues. I am having a discussion with some other researchers on Ivey-Kin the ONLY other list that I currently belong to re names as clues. I do believe they are, but in running through the names in my database I ran across George Patrick Long son of Abrahm and Susan Emily Long Which made me reflect...<grin> George Patrick is, of course, no relation at all to Isaac Long whose father John Patrick Long was born in Ireland. Now I KNOW that Patrick was an Ivy name. (I began my researches with my paternal ancestors and then took up my maternal ancestors the Hamblen County folks. As I told my husband at least I could take a break from the Patricks and Catherine's well HA!! <smile>). However, although names CAN be clues one really must be really careful not to see a connection that isn't there. Anyway thank you for your analysis of Nancy Long. I am beginning to believe that she is quite likely NOT Baxter Ivy's Nancy although I still think the Nancy Ivy listed in Mary Boatman's household IS Baxter's widow. Granted that the name Ivy is NOT Long, however reflecting on the different branches of the Longs in Grainger County makes me wonder whether Baxter Ivy living so near my Henry on the MIGHT just BE a conincidence! my other 4th great grandfather Sherrod Mayes and other families who came from Henry County, Virginia are living nearby and so maybe these Henry County families just settled in the same area as my Iveys (Ivys) from Orange County, North Carolina and there is no connection beteen these Ivys or it is far back. Thank you again, Carolyn Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: <CARR2009@aol.com> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 08:39 Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Mary Boatman, Nancy Long, Emily Long, Nancy Ivy >I cannot answer your question on Nancy Long, Emily Long or James D. Long > living with Mary Boatman in 1850 living in District 4. I have never been > able > to identify them. I notice Mary is living next door to Ezekial Boatman > and > wife Mary. Ezekial Boatman married Mary Boatman on 23 January 1834 in > Grainger County. John Cox was the Bondsman. Then in 1860 she is listed > as a widow > and living with the Thomas and Mahala Salzman family, still in District > 4. > > In 1860, Nancy 45, Emily J. 20, James 18, and Joseph F. age 7, are living > in > District 9. > > In 1870, Nancy 54, Emma J. 25 and Joseph F, 16 are living in Dist 13, > Jefferson County. This census is hard to read, but I feel it is the same > family. I > could not locate James E. Long in a census record. > > In 1880, Nancy 60 and Emma J, 39 are living in District 3, Hamblen > County. > Nancy states her mother and father were both born in NC. Joseph has > married > and is living in District 4 Hamblen County, i.e. Joseph 26, Viola 19, > Robert 8, and Lula 6/12. This is the last record I can find on Nancy and > Emma J. > and could not locate a burial for them. > > In 1900, Joseph 52, Viola 45, Robert 23, Lula 20, Henry, b. Texas, 8, and > Edna, b. Indian Territory, are living in Oklahoma Territory, Wichita > Reservation. > > In 1910, Joseph has returned to Hamblen County and is living in District > 4, > listed as Joseph F. 58, married twice, (- ? -) wife, 49, married twice, > mother > of 4, 4 living, Tinnie P. (?) age 12, Mary S., age 8, Tinnie Miller (?), > housekeeper, and Lula Long, Daughter, age 32. This census page is very > faint > and hard to read. > > This is the last record I have on this family and I have not been able to > locate a burial or death date for Joseph. Thought if I could find that, > his > death certificate might tell me who his mother was. Their ages "jump > around" > which is not too unusual and if they belong to the Reuben Long family it > could > be the family of John Long and Rachel ( - ? - ). I think John had a male > born between 1800 - 1810, whom I have never been able to identify. > > I have nothing that would indicate that Nancy is connected in any way to > Hardy and Rachel Cash Long. Hardy and Rachel Cash Long were married in > 1817 in > Pulaski County, KY, so unless he was married before he married Rachel, > Nancy > born ca 1814 could not be his daughter. He did have a son James, b.1818 > who > married America Stubblefield, and he had a daughter Emily, b. 1845 who > married John William Crews. I have Emily's death certificate which states > she is > their daughter. Several of John and Emily's children migrated to Morgan > County, Illinois, and I knew them personally. > > I also have a missing female for Hardy Long and Rachel Cash, born between > 1820 and 1825 in Kentucky, who has been listed as the Dorothy Long that > married Thomas Bird on 14 February 1840 in Grainger County. She may be, > but so > far I have not been able to verify this information. He also had a male > b. > 1820-1825 and a male b. 1825-1830, which I have never been able to > identify. > They would have both been born in Kentucky. > > Hardy and Rachel's daughter Sarah "Sallie" Long did marry Jacob Tate Noe, > Sr. and Hillyard Bird married Catherine Noe, Jacob Tate's sister. I also > do > not have a date for Sarah Long and Jacob Tate Noe's marriage. One of > Sarah > "Sallie" Long's grandsons also migrated to Morgan County, Illinois, and I > knew > them personally. As a young girl I spent many a day and holidays with > them. > Also, one of James Long and America Stubblefield's granddaughters > migrated to > Morgan County, Illinois, along with other Stubblefields from Grainger > County. > > As you probably are aware there were four different Long families in > Grainger and Hawkins County before the 1830's, but I have never been able > to > connect them together in any way, but it certainly makes researching > Long's in East > Tennessee a challenging job. My first cousin, who bears the Long > Surname, > just joined the Long DNA Project and I am hoping to get other Grainger > County > Longs to do so. Maybe we can solve some of the mysteries that way. > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >