Gail in Missouri, When I got your direct email, I checked and found that the message I sent to the list last Friday was never delivered. Apparently it was too long, but the listserver never informs the sender that it is refusing to forward the message and I just forgot to "watch" for it to be delivered. So I will break it into two parts and hope that they get through this time. ********10/29/99 email, part 1, begins here******** l in Missouri You may be speaking of me, though I am not a descendant nor am I researching this family extensively. However my widower great, great grandfather, James Cameron, of Grainger County, Tennessee, married as his second wife, widow Mrs. Rachel (Grove) Dodson, whom my records show was the daughter of Reuben and Nancy (Mayes) Grove, rather than Groves or Graves. I will put a portion of the record below and then comments: ******** 2. af. James Cameron born 23 Dec 1819, Grainger Co., Tenn. died c. 1886, Grainger Co., Tenn. mar., 1st, 10 Sep. 1842, Grainger Co., Tenn. 2. af-1. Katherine Clark born 8 Feb. 1818, Tennessee died c. 1860-1868, Grainger Co., Tenn. children: 3. afa. William M. Cameron, born 1 Jul 1843, Grainger Co., Tenn. 3. afb. Nelson Cameron, born 18 Jul 1845, Grainger Co., Tenn. 3. afc. James Taylor Cameron, born 25 Jun 1848. Grainger Co., Tenn. 3. afd. Hardin Cameron, born 20 Jan 1851, Grainger Co., Tenn. 3. afe. John A. Cameron, born 21 Oct 1853, Grainger Co., Tenn. 3. aff. Mary C. Cameron, born 7 Jul 1856, Grainger Co., Tenn. 3. afg. Tennessee Cameron, born 8 Aug 1860, Grainger Co., Tenn. mar., 2nd, 3 Nov. 1868, Grainger Co., Tenn. 2. af-2. Rachel M. (Grove) Dodson 2. af-2-f. daughter of Reuben Grove 2. af-2-m. and Nancy Mayes born c. 1840, Tenn. mar., 1st, 25 Apr 1848, Grainger Co., Tenn. 2. af-2-s1. James M. Dodson children: 2. af-2-s1a. John R. Dodson, born ca. 1849, Tenn. 2. af-2-s1b. Columbus T./Tempy G. Dodson, born ca. 1857, Tenn. 2. af-2-s1c. William James Dodson, born 17 Dec. 1859, Tenn. 2. af-2-s1d. David/F. J. Dodson, born ca. 1863, Tenn. 2. af-2-s1e. Nancy/Norah Dodson, born ca. 1865, Tenn. children: none Notes: FAMILY BIBLE RECORDS: James Cameron, born, 23 December 1819 Katherine Cameron, born 8 February 1818 William M. Cameron, born 1 July 1843 Nelson Cameron, born 18 July 1845 James T. Cameron, born 25 June 1848 Hardin Cameron, born 20 January 1851 John A. Cameron, born 21 October 1853 Mary C. Cameron, born 7 July 1856, died 29 October 1857 Tennessee Cameron, born 8 August 1860 (Bible record in the possession of Hugh Venoy Cameron, 1968) MARRIAGE RECORDS: Marriage License Bond for James Cameron to Katherine Clark, bonded and issued on 10 September 1842, James Cameron and Arthur L. C. Garrett, Security. This couple was maried by me within a few days of the isuence of those license, James Lacy, Minister of the Gospel. (Grainger County, Marriage Bonds) Marriage License for James Cameron to Rachael Dotson, issued 3 November 1868. I solemnized the rites of matrimony between the above named parties on the 3d day of Nov 1868, J. H. Carmichael, M. G. [Minister of the Gospel]. (Grainger County, Marriage Book, p. 99) Marriage License Bond for James M. Dodson to Rachel M. Grove, 25 April 1848. (Grainger County, Marriage Bonds) James Cameron, Security, for marriage of James A. Clark to Elizabeth Smith, bonded 19 September 1846, married, 24 September 1846, by Clisbe Austin, LDMEC. (Grainger County, Marriage Bonds) MISCELLANEOUS FEDERAL RECORDS: George H. Grove identifies himself as a brother-in-law of James Cameron in his affidavit for the Southern Claims Commission. (Claim Nos. , James Cameron, Records of the Southern Claims Commission, Record Group 217, National Archives, Washington, DC) PUBLISHED LOCAL HISTORIES: George H. Grove, planter, and clerk and master of chancery court, was born 19 March 1832, the son of Reuben and Nancy (Mayes) Grove (Biographical Sketch of George H. Grove, Goodspeed's History of East Tennessee, p. 1154.) ********10/29/99 email, part 1, ends here******** Look for comments on the above at the end of part 2 coming soon. Ross Cameron >>> "Bruce Roorda" <b-roorda@msc.net> 10/29/99 11:04AM >>> Thanks so much Gail. I did have most of the information except Reuben and Jane's ages. Now I remember the discrepency was what I found puzzling although I have found wives who were that much older than their husbands. At the time I could not figure out whether Jane was Reuben's wife or his mother. However, since then I have run across the marriage between Reuben and Jane.... Well this does provide food for thought. As I have said before I am not trying to do Mayeses in America or even in Grainger County (Oh dear!!) Just my line (or lines <grin>). However, eventually you find that in order to solve the "puzzle" you just need to know more about everyone!! One researcher calls part of his web page the Mayes maze <smile> Anyway some of us are discussing some conflicting information...so thanks for all your help!! I would still like to hear from someone who is researching the Reuben Groves (have also seen this as Graves)/Nancy Mayes branch of the family! Gail in Missouri > Reuben Groves age 36 male Farmer Property Value 6,300 Born Tennessee > Jane Groves age 54 female Born Tennessee > Elizabeth Mayse age 12 female Born Tennessee > > Note - Jane age 54. The 54 is sloppy, could be a 34 or 24. > > Have two marriages that are potentials: > > Reubin Grove to Nancy Mayes 19 February 1806 > Reubin Grove Jr. to Jane Mayes 6 December 1843 > > Didn't see Reuben in the 1860 census. > > Gail in Moreno Valley, Ca. > > ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !