Hey Sharon, This is Gail again (not Lynn). That is what I meant about eliminating all the possible Nancys. I ran across a similar reference in Tennessee tidbits. I decided I might as well send in what I had so Lynn and the other Owens researchers could look at it. EVERY Ivy family had a Nancy. This is not my direct line, but I am wondering whether Jenny, Nancy, and Hamilton might have been descended from Phillip. I don't think I have found any references to Phillip Ivy after the early 1800s.... I think it likely that these were grandchildren of Henry and Jane Howell Ivy since it seems children were often "bound out" to relatives. I am not sure what constituted grounds to "bind out" children. When my great great grandfather John Hamilton Ivy I died isabella Ivy apparenty continued raising her children (and step daughter on her own). She is listed as HOH on the census and all the children are listed in the household. Perhaps both Philip and Lydia Daniels Ivy died. Although I cannot be certain that Hamilton, Jenny, and Nancy WERE Phillip's children. I do find Hamilton and his family listed on the Grainger County censuses. At first I thought he might be descended from John Ivy senr. Oh dear I will be confusing everybody if I get into the Johns, John Hamilton's and Hamilton.!!!! I know most about my direct line, and am still not that clear on the other Ivys and so I better be quiet for now. Once again of the the available Nancys, the Nancy and her brother and sister who were "bound out" to Henry Howell, and Baxter's daughter Nancy seem to be the only "strays". Of course there could be countless more <grin> Not really!!! Ivy is not Smith!!! There were I believe twenty nine families listed on the North Carolina census in 1790 shortly before they moved to TN. There were about a dozen families in VA and a dozen more in South Carolina. Gail in MO > Hi, > I would say that being on the school Commissioners and having children > enrolled in that school dist is pretty good proof of residence....for > that C. J. Owens.....in 1848. anyway. > > Several IVY kids were bound out as apprentices, and one early one was a > Nancy and her sib's > Hamilton and Jenny, in 1813, bound to Henry Howell............ > in 1821 a Nancy Ivy age 14 bound to Nathaniel Smith ...and in 1850 a > Nancy & Sally Ivy (ophans) > ordered bound out according to law, Sheriff to bring them in. Dec. 2... > none of these are probably yours but thought they might be of > interest........Sharon > ................................................................. ...... > ................................................................. . > > > On Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:20:25 EDT MOwens9494@aol.com writes: > > I have been reading with interest the notes on C. J. and Nancy > > Ivy Owens. > > These are my husband's gggrandparents. We had found them in the > > 1840 census > > in Knox County, the 1850 census in Claiborne County, and the 1860 > > census in > > Union County. > > In 1848 he would have had three school aged children between the > > ages of > > 6 and 21 which would match the information on the 1848 school list. > > He > > served as bondsman for the marriage of Wilson Ivy to Eliza Beard on > > March 05, > > 1844 in Grainger Co., TN --- and the marriage of Isham N. Guy (or > > Ivy) to > > Nancy Vineyard on October 25, 1846 in Grainger Co., TN. We had not, > > however, > > found records that he actually lived in Grainger Co. > > We have found a C. J. Owens buried in the National Cemetery in > > Knoxville > > who died in the Civil War on the Union side. I have written for > > information > > to see if this is"our" C. J. On documents we found in Union Co., we > > know his > > name was Charles J., but he signed his name as C. J. > > SSSOOO, does any of this sound familiar to anyone? This is as > > far back > > as we have been able to go on the Owens family so, naturally, we > > would be > > interested in help!!! Margaret Lynn Weaver Owens > > Maryville, Blount > > Co.,TN > > > > >