What is the name of the Noe Book? I have a Catharine Noe m. Hilliard Bird. He was my GGUncle. Cinda

I have the Noe Book-probably have mostof the Noe info you have. Thanks. Arlene watkins ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Moore" <dennyswrexx2@fastmail.fm> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: The two Louisas Holt which is the widow of George Long > hi Arlene, i have NOE tied into my MAYES lines. i can look see who is > who.also a lady researching her's. she's Connie. has many names. i made > a list & link to her pages. that link on my pages. a few are > SOUTHERLAND-HAMMOCK-EARLS-BORUFF-CARTER. > > HOLT. also in my MAYES. 1 was a Dr.HOLT marr a MAYES in KNOX Co.KY. > they moved to OREGON. > > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:36:25 -0500, "Arlene Watkins" > <watkins57@ntown.net> said: >> Also, Catherine Noe Holt is an ancestor of mine and in my Noe Lineage. >> Arlene Watkins >> Talbott, TN >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gail Roorda" <possum2@softhome.net> >> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: The two Louisas Holt which is the widow of >> George Long >> >> >> > Dear Fellow researchers, >> > >> > I SWEAR that this is my final posting on the family of Nicholas and >> > Jane >> > Cooter Long. >> > >> > However, my husband has informed me that I have grown totally >> > incoherent >> > and my information would be totally incomprehensibe to anyone EVEN a >> > fellow family reseaarcher. >> > >> > This is a check. Does anyone GET this? >> > >> > Joseph William and John Henry Long, sons of Abraham and Susan Emily Ivy >> > LONG, were NOT twins (even though my records indicate they were.). >> > >> > Jonathon F. and John T. Williams WERE twins. >> > >> > There were two Louisa's Holt d/o s of John and Anna Price Holt. >> > >> > It appears to have been the OLDER Louisa who married George Long and >> > THEN >> > Jonathon Willims >> > >> > <mumble, mumble, mumble> >> > >> > Gail >> > >> > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to >> > tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >> To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to >> tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com >> > DNA done. > STEVE MOORE a 25 marker. at family tree.com D629W. at ysearch MOORE DNA > PROJECT M36142 > mine a 12 marker at familytree.com FYN8F . ysearch MOORE DNA M30219 > Researching: > MOORE, ,MOOR. MOHR. MAYES, MAYS, MAZE, MIZE, MAISE, MAIZE, CARR, COX, > COURTNEY, MYERS, TOWNSLEY, POWERS, GRUBBS, GRUBB, POE, (SMITH 4 lines) > RUSSELL, LEWIS, DUNN, WHITEAKER, WHITAKER, REECE, HUNDLEY/HUNLEY, > MANIS, MOLES, NEWBY. PARKER, CHEATHAM,CHITTUM, BROWN, HAUN, OGLESBY, > LONG, DUNN, > SHIPLEY & VOWELL & ROSS, LIPPS, MOCK, > SHIRLEY, PENDLEY, JORDON. my pages: > http://tippytnn.topcities.com/moore508/moore.htm > Friends: PECK,LAMBERT,MEADOWS > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different. > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

Dear Arlene, Are you on this list? I have never seen one of your postings on the list and I didn't know you were a list subscriber. However, I keep encountering your posts on the internet and I have been meaning to write you for over a year. We seem to have many interests in common. Sometimes I get a little discouraged about with my "Morristown" folks project. Nobody seems all that interested even their descendents. Also I am afraid I will never fiinish this project in my liftetime <grin> so I go online in hopes of finding someone to share with who is actually interested. I think I once ran across one of your postings to one of John M. Harbin's grandsons. I had been looking all over tryiong to figure out where George Thomas was. I fugured in Macedonia since Martha O'Dell Spoons Harbin is there etc., but one can never be sure. I was also wondering what happened to Martha's sons by her first marriage. You seem to know everything! No, I do not have John M. Holt's obit yet, BUT the Holts are next on my "to to do" list. If you are interested I will get John M and Martha first. At first I had all the Holts lined up. First the ones with exact DODs. However, if you think about it that leaves all the work until the last. I keep arranging and rearranging the Holts. I have spent countless hours peering at microfilm looking for obituaries of people who have only year dates on their stones. Anyway since you are interested I wil start with Martha and John M. Actually Martha and John M. have exact DODs so finding these shoudn't take too long. I am rather somed under right now, but as soon as I get caught up, I will take a research day. It has been a long time since I had one of these. I will leave the DH something in the slow cooker and arrive first thing in the morning...that way I can be sure to get the reader/printer!! Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene Watkins" <watkins57@ntown.net> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 22:34 Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: The two Louisas Holt which is the widow of George Long > Gail, > Have been reading your info about Holts & Williams. Jonathan and John > Williams are in my Purkey Lineage. J. Frank Williams first married > Maggie Payne (an ancestor).She died 2/11/1882 Hamblen Co., TN and buried > Macedonia. Then married Louisa Long 2/16/1883 in Hamblen Co. Jonathan and > John F. were grandsons of Jonathan L. and Mary (Polly) Purkepile Grainger > Co., now Hamblen. I, too have the Atchison Co. Cemetery book and found > lots of my ancestors buried there. John M. Holt buried there married my > gg aunt Martha Helton, Grainger Co. Do you have an obituary for either > John or Martha? I have a good picture of them that I found in my parents > lard can a few years ago. I have it displayed on a book shelf. Are you > related to any of these who are related to me? If so maybe we can > exchange info. > Arlene Purkey Watkins > Talbott, Jefferson Co., TN > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Roorda" <possum2@softhome.net> > To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:00 PM > Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: The two Louisas Holt which is the widow of > George Long > > >> Development of a clever research strategy to solve the two Louisa'[s: >> >> <grin> Didn't someone on this list once say that they did their best >> genealogical thinking in the middle of the night?? I woke up one night >> acouple of months ago thinking drowsily that when we got caught up, I >> should go to the county library and find Willian, Joseph N., John M. , >> Maria Dalton, and Catherine Noe Holt's obituaries. These obituaries >> might help staighten out the two Louisas. Also if the lady who first >> introduced me to this interesting hobby asked how I was coming along with >> my "Morristown to Atchison County" project I could tell her I was >> "working on" the Holts. oops I think I told her I was researching the >> Holts a couple of years ago. >> >> More drowsy thinking "Hmm let's ..see John T. Williams was from >> Morristown. Sneaking a peek at the DH who had suggested that we need our >> sleep and that getting up in the middle of the night to do genealogical >> research was NOT a good idea. Padding softly down to the farm office I >> seized the Atchison County, Missouri cemetery book and looked at the Home >> cemetery entries for Williams. hmmmm here we have Louise Williams b. >> 1855 d. 1931 >> >> And above that John T. b. September 18, 1856 Morristown, TN d. September >> 29, 1927. >> >> And above John T >> >> J. F. b. Septmber 18, 1956-d. Apr. 7, 1924 >> >> At first I thought that this was something like my records showing that >> Joseph William and John Henry Long were twins though from the census this >> isn't so. This is a terrific book, but there are errors in the book. >> Partly because it includes people who don't have stones. hhmm However, >> here we have two +s...(those who don't have stones are marked with -s >> <smile) >> >> Resolving to chck this out soon I went back to bed. By 3 a.m. I was >> sneaking back down to the computer. I am always griping that the online >> world might be going to "ruin" research OTOH <grin> most libraries >> aren't open all night. >> >> Logging onto Ancestry I searched for Jonathon Williams aged 3 on the 1860 >> Grainger County, Tennessee census. In the housedhold of Josph and Sarah >> Williams...John 3, Johnathon 3 (twins). (I swear that I am NOT making >> this up! If you all doubt this, you can check the census for yourself >> <grin>) >> >> Then at 4:30 in the morning checking out the 1920 Atchison County census, >> "J.F. Williams born Tennessee, Louise Williams born Tennessee, Gracie >> Williams. ..well you get the picture. >> >> The next day must have been Tuesday or Thursday when the Atchison County >> Library has evening hours. Peering down at the DH through the floor of >> the grain truck, I informed him that I had figured out a way to "resolve >> the two Louisas and asked if he minded if I took off for the Atchison >> County Library about 6:00. His reaction was NOT favorable!!! >> >> BBFN >> >> Gail >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >> To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to >> tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com >> >> > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

hi Arlene, i have NOE tied into my MAYES lines. i can look see who is who.also a lady researching her's. she's Connie. has many names. i made a list & link to her pages. that link on my pages. a few are SOUTHERLAND-HAMMOCK-EARLS-BORUFF-CARTER. HOLT. also in my MAYES. 1 was a Dr.HOLT marr a MAYES in KNOX Co.KY. they moved to OREGON. On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:36:25 -0500, "Arlene Watkins" <watkins57@ntown.net> said: > Also, Catherine Noe Holt is an ancestor of mine and in my Noe Lineage. > Arlene Watkins > Talbott, TN > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Roorda" <possum2@softhome.net> > To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: The two Louisas Holt which is the widow of > George Long > > > > Dear Fellow researchers, > > > > I SWEAR that this is my final posting on the family of Nicholas and Jane > > Cooter Long. > > > > However, my husband has informed me that I have grown totally incoherent > > and my information would be totally incomprehensibe to anyone EVEN a > > fellow family reseaarcher. > > > > This is a check. Does anyone GET this? > > > > Joseph William and John Henry Long, sons of Abraham and Susan Emily Ivy > > LONG, were NOT twins (even though my records indicate they were.). > > > > Jonathon F. and John T. Williams WERE twins. > > > > There were two Louisa's Holt d/o s of John and Anna Price Holt. > > > > It appears to have been the OLDER Louisa who married George Long and THEN > > Jonathon Willims > > > > <mumble, mumble, mumble> > > > > Gail > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to > tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > DNA done. STEVE MOORE a 25 marker. at family tree.com D629W. at ysearch MOORE DNA PROJECT M36142 mine a 12 marker at familytree.com FYN8F . ysearch MOORE DNA M30219 Researching: MOORE, ,MOOR. MOHR. MAYES, MAYS, MAZE, MIZE, MAISE, MAIZE, CARR, COX, COURTNEY, MYERS, TOWNSLEY, POWERS, GRUBBS, GRUBB, POE, (SMITH 4 lines) RUSSELL, LEWIS, DUNN, WHITEAKER, WHITAKER, REECE, HUNDLEY/HUNLEY, MANIS, MOLES, NEWBY. PARKER, CHEATHAM,CHITTUM, BROWN, HAUN, OGLESBY, LONG, DUNN, SHIPLEY & VOWELL & ROSS, LIPPS, MOCK, SHIRLEY, PENDLEY, JORDON. my pages: http://tippytnn.topcities.com/moore508/moore.htm Friends: PECK,LAMBERT,MEADOWS -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different…

Gail, I have a Catharine Noe that married Hilliard Bird, and a Dorothy Long that married Thomas Bird, my GGrandparents. Are these on your tree in Grainger County? Cinda

Gail: Probably all of us bitten with the Genealogy bug has gotten up in the middle of the night at one time or another! I get to thinking about lines, and cannot sleep. The only solution is to get up and check something. You are in good company. Cinda

Also, Catherine Noe Holt is an ancestor of mine and in my Noe Lineage. Arlene Watkins Talbott, TN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Roorda" <possum2@softhome.net> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: The two Louisas Holt which is the widow of George Long > Dear Fellow researchers, > > I SWEAR that this is my final posting on the family of Nicholas and Jane > Cooter Long. > > However, my husband has informed me that I have grown totally incoherent > and my information would be totally incomprehensibe to anyone EVEN a > fellow family reseaarcher. > > This is a check. Does anyone GET this? > > Joseph William and John Henry Long, sons of Abraham and Susan Emily Ivy > LONG, were NOT twins (even though my records indicate they were.). > > Jonathon F. and John T. Williams WERE twins. > > There were two Louisa's Holt d/o s of John and Anna Price Holt. > > It appears to have been the OLDER Louisa who married George Long and THEN > Jonathon Willims > > <mumble, mumble, mumble> > > Gail > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

Gail, Have been reading your info about Holts & Williams. Jonathan and John Williams are in my Purkey Lineage. J. Frank Williams first married Maggie Payne (an ancestor).She died 2/11/1882 Hamblen Co., TN and buried Macedonia. Then married Louisa Long 2/16/1883 in Hamblen Co. Jonathan and John F. were grandsons of Jonathan L. and Mary (Polly) Purkepile Grainger Co., now Hamblen. I, too have the Atchison Co. Cemetery book and found lots of my ancestors buried there. John M. Holt buried there married my gg aunt Martha Helton, Grainger Co. Do you have an obituary for either John or Martha? I have a good picture of them that I found in my parents lard can a few years ago. I have it displayed on a book shelf. Are you related to any of these who are related to me? If so maybe we can exchange info. Arlene Purkey Watkins Talbott, Jefferson Co., TN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Roorda" <possum2@softhome.net> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: The two Louisas Holt which is the widow of George Long > Development of a clever research strategy to solve the two Louisa'[s: > > <grin> Didn't someone on this list once say that they did their best > genealogical thinking in the middle of the night?? I woke up one night > acouple of months ago thinking drowsily that when we got caught up, I > should go to the county library and find Willian, Joseph N., John M. , > Maria Dalton, and Catherine Noe Holt's obituaries. These obituaries might > help staighten out the two Louisas. Also if the lady who first introduced > me to this interesting hobby asked how I was coming along with my > "Morristown to Atchison County" project I could tell her I was "working > on" the Holts. oops I think I told her I was researching the Holts a > couple of years ago. > > More drowsy thinking "Hmm let's ..see John T. Williams was from > Morristown. Sneaking a peek at the DH who had suggested that we need our > sleep and that getting up in the middle of the night to do genealogical > research was NOT a good idea. Padding softly down to the farm office I > seized the Atchison County, Missouri cemetery book and looked at the Home > cemetery entries for Williams. hmmmm here we have Louise Williams b. 1855 > d. 1931 > > And above that John T. b. September 18, 1856 Morristown, TN d. September > 29, 1927. > > And above John T > > J. F. b. Septmber 18, 1956-d. Apr. 7, 1924 > > At first I thought that this was something like my records showing that > Joseph William and John Henry Long were twins though from the census this > isn't so. This is a terrific book, but there are errors in the book. > Partly because it includes people who don't have stones. hhmm However, > here we have two +s...(those who don't have stones are marked with -s > <smile) > > Resolving to chck this out soon I went back to bed. By 3 a.m. I was > sneaking back down to the computer. I am always griping that the online > world might be going to "ruin" research OTOH <grin> most libraries aren't > open all night. > > Logging onto Ancestry I searched for Jonathon Williams aged 3 on the 1860 > Grainger County, Tennessee census. In the housedhold of Josph and Sarah > Williams...John 3, Johnathon 3 (twins). (I swear that I am NOT making > this up! If you all doubt this, you can check the census for yourself > <grin>) > > Then at 4:30 in the morning checking out the 1920 Atchison County census, > "J.F. Williams born Tennessee, Louise Williams born Tennessee, Gracie > Williams. ..well you get the picture. > > The next day must have been Tuesday or Thursday when the Atchison County > Library has evening hours. Peering down at the DH through the floor of > the grain truck, I informed him that I had figured out a way to "resolve > the two Louisas and asked if he minded if I took off for the Atchison > County Library about 6:00. His reaction was NOT favorable!!! > > BBFN > > Gail > > > > > > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

Dear Fellow researchers, I SWEAR that this is my final posting on the family of Nicholas and Jane Cooter Long. However, my husband has informed me that I have grown totally incoherent and my information would be totally incomprehensibe to anyone EVEN a fellow family reseaarcher. This is a check. Does anyone GET this? Joseph William and John Henry Long, sons of Abraham and Susan Emily Ivy LONG, were NOT twins (even though my records indicate they were.). Jonathon F. and John T. Williams WERE twins. There were two Louisa's Holt d/o s of John and Anna Price Holt. It appears to have been the OLDER Louisa who married George Long and THEN Jonathon Willims <mumble, mumble, mumble> Gail

Development of a clever research strategy to solve the two Louisa'[s: <grin> Didn't someone on this list once say that they did their best genealogical thinking in the middle of the night?? I woke up one night acouple of months ago thinking drowsily that when we got caught up, I should go to the county library and find Willian, Joseph N., John M. , Maria Dalton, and Catherine Noe Holt's obituaries. These obituaries might help staighten out the two Louisas. Also if the lady who first introduced me to this interesting hobby asked how I was coming along with my "Morristown to Atchison County" project I could tell her I was "working on" the Holts. oops I think I told her I was researching the Holts a couple of years ago. More drowsy thinking "Hmm let's ..see John T. Williams was from Morristown. Sneaking a peek at the DH who had suggested that we need our sleep and that getting up in the middle of the night to do genealogical research was NOT a good idea. Padding softly down to the farm office I seized the Atchison County, Missouri cemetery book and looked at the Home cemetery entries for Williams. hmmmm here we have Louise Williams b. 1855 d. 1931 And above that John T. b. September 18, 1856 Morristown, TN d. September 29, 1927. And above John T J. F. b. Septmber 18, 1956-d. Apr. 7, 1924 At first I thought that this was something like my records showing that Joseph William and John Henry Long were twins though from the census this isn't so. This is a terrific book, but there are errors in the book. Partly because it includes people who don't have stones. hhmm However, here we have two +s...(those who don't have stones are marked with -s <smile) Resolving to chck this out soon I went back to bed. By 3 a.m. I was sneaking back down to the computer. I am always griping that the online world might be going to "ruin" research OTOH <grin> most libraries aren't open all night. Logging onto Ancestry I searched for Jonathon Williams aged 3 on the 1860 Grainger County, Tennessee census. In the housedhold of Josph and Sarah Williams...John 3, Johnathon 3 (twins). (I swear that I am NOT making this up! If you all doubt this, you can check the census for yourself <grin>) Then at 4:30 in the morning checking out the 1920 Atchison County census, "J.F. Williams born Tennessee, Louise Williams born Tennessee, Gracie Williams. ..well you get the picture. The next day must have been Tuesday or Thursday when the Atchison County Library has evening hours. Peering down at the DH through the floor of the grain truck, I informed him that I had figured out a way to "resolve the two Louisas and asked if he minded if I took off for the Atchison County Library about 6:00. His reaction was NOT favorable!!! BBFN Gail

<grin> . Possibly G???? This should read possibly Garrett Gail

Dear fellow researchers, Please forgive me for continuing this LONG diatribe <grin> The John Holt household 1880 U. S. census Hamblen County Tennessee Holt John 66 Head Louisa 25 daughter Louisa 23 daughter Long, George 4 grandson I had forgotten this one. I just ran across this again when I was checking through my data in order to send it on to Carolyn. You wonder why I didn't perceive this to be a problem when I first transcribed this household some years ago. <grin> Now ONE of the two Louisas is the widow of George Long and the mother of George Long aged 4. The question is which one?? I thought about this for awhile. The truth is that there are people in my database whose dates I canNOT pin down even as closely as two years. OTOH not having the eact DOB of George Long's spouse is NOT the same as "marrying him off" to an entirely different woman. <grin> I remember some years ago when Grace was discussing the original Noes and assured us "Yes, there WERE two Elizabeths... The only person I could find online who was descended from the Holts and the Noes (and the ONLY person I could find who was researching the family of John and Anna Price Holt) was descended from Retta Noe. She had posted her message some years back. (I am sure she gave up genealogical research after encountering the two Louisas.) I was looking for someone from this family so I could fire off a brief emal. "Did members of your family do stuff like the a lot?????!!!!!" Why I first checked John Holt's household years ago. Debbie you said, Long George N. Mar 6, 1848-Oct 24, 1875 This is I believe Nick and Jane Long's son, George. The dates are right. However, like my Amanda, George would not have a death certificate and Stretzer funeral home records would begin later about 1900 I think. I didn't automatically assume (considering the Longs) that just because my Longs are buried in Ecomony and that this George's dates are right that this was him. I checked the census to make that Louisa was either living alone or had returned to her father's household. However, I don't think that George's middle initial was N or L. (one of the censuses says L) George and Louisa's marriage record says G. G. (I think Goerge's middle initial was G. Possibly G. Anyway I discussed the Louisas with my husband a couple of months back. Do you think there were actually two daughters named Louisa?? Answer: the two Louisa's are always listed in the household. How do you know that Goerge's widow married Jonathon Williams? Answer: There were two records one listing her name as Holt. The other as Long. This usually means the bride was married before. The DH with a deadpan expression; Louisa Holt and Louisa Holt Long both married Jonathon Williams on the same day. It was a "double" wedding. Bye for Now, Gail

You said, "Number of children says 7 born and 5 still living with Martha L Aug 1879 and Ada listed still in the household at census time." In case you hadn't noticed my information on John W.'s second family is a little short too. <smile>I don't know where the missing children were. Maybe I should look out here. <grin> More about this later. Dochia would have been one of the children who had died. There is a child of L. B. and M. L Hodge buried next to John W. and Emmeline according to transcriptions of Economy. Martha Lou Long Hodge is buried in Emma Jarnigan cemetery in what appears to be a Hodge plot. (I have never been to East Tennessee <smile>) No listing for Luther B, but he may be buried there too I guess. Anyway I only have Ada N. Martha Lou and Dochia although there were apparently other children > > Debbie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gail Roorda<mailto:possum2@softhome.net> > To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: Another try > > > Deborah, > > Apparently both John W. and Emmeline were married before. Emmeline to a > Stephens and I have not yet figured out who John W.'s first wife would > have > been. (You really have to watch it with the Longs!) > > This is the infromation I have on John Weley's and Emmeline's mutual > children. > > > Family Group Sheet > > Subject John Wesley LONG (461)1,2,3,4 > Birth* 21 Feb 1837 Grainger County, Tennessee.5,6 > Marriage* 24 Sep 1878 Hamblen County, Tennessee.7,8 > Death* 24 Apr 1907 Hamblen County, Tennessee.9 > Burial* __ ___ ____ Economy Cemetery, Morristown, > Hamblen county, Tennessee.10 > Father* Nicholas LONG (177) (b. 15 Jul 1811, d. 26 Jun > 1896) > Mother* Jane COOTER (178) (b. 4 Sep 1814, d. 6 Nov 1900) > > Spouse* Emmeline MARSH (587)11,12,13 > Birth* 8 Sep 1847 Virginia.14,15 > Name- 24 Sep 1878 LONG16,17 > Marr: > Death* 9 Jul 1932 Hamblen County, Tennessee.18 > Burial* __ ___ ____ Economy Cemetery, Morristown, > Hamblen County, Tennessee.19 > Father* William A. MARSH (1299) (b. 17 Aug 1816, d. 13 > Apr 1893) > Mother* Annie MYERS (1300) (b. 17 Aug 1822, d. 24 Feb > 1907) > > Three Known Children > F Martha Lula LONG (736)20,21,22 > Name- HODGE23 > Marr: > Birth* __ Sep 1879 Hamblen County, Tennessee.24 > Son: circa __ ___ Carlisle W. HODGE (1387); Hamblen > 1906 County, Tennessee.25 > Son: circa __ ___ Hubert H. HODGE (1388); Hamblen > 1909 County, Tennessee.26 > Son: circa __ ___ Harold E. HODGE (1389); Hamblen > 1913 County, Tennessee.27 > Daughter: circa __ ___ Ebba O. HODGE (1390); Hamblen > 1917 County, Tennessee.28 > Marriage* Luther B. HODGE (1386) (b. circa > 1879, )29 > F Dochia LONG (588)30,31,32 > Birth* 21 Aug 1881 Hamblen County, Tennessee.33 > Death* 21 Jul 1899 (probably) Hamblen County, > Tennessee.34 > Burial* __ ___ ____ Economy Methodist Church Cemetery, > Morristown, Hamblen County, > Tennessee.35 > > F Ada N. LONG (737) > Birth* 18 Jun 1884 Hamblen County, Tennessee.36 > Name- __ ___ ____ HAZELWOOD > Marr: > Marriage* __ ___ ____ Erastus HAZELWOOD (1241) (b. 1887, > d. 15 Dec 1922), son of Dan W. > HAZELWOOD (1239) and Mary Eva HILL > (1240) > Daughter: circa __ ___ Alma HAZELWOOD (1391); Hamblen > 1918 County, Tennessee.37 > Death* 22 May 1938 Morristown, Hamblen County, > Tennessee.38 > Burial* __ ___ ____ Economy Cemetery, Morristown, > Hamblen County, Tennessee.39 > > Endnotes > > 1. Nicholas Long household, 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, > Tennessee, > population schedule, district 2, written page 24, dwelling 168, family > 162, > 21 August 1850, National Archives micropublication M432, roll 88. > > 2. Nicholas Long household, 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, > population schedule, Rutledge post office, district 2, page 415A, > dwelling > 179, family 179, 12 June 1860, National Archives micropublication M653, > roll 1250. > > 3. 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, > district 2, written page 24, dwelling 168, family 162. > > 4. Ibid. > > 5. Ibid. > > 6. Hamblen County Genealogical Society, Cemeteries of Hamblen County, > Vol. > III, (Morristown, Tennessee: Hamblen County Genealogical Society, 1996), > 33. > > 7. Ibid. > > 8. Hamblen County Marriage Books 1-4 Jan. 1872-Oct. 1899 4: 144, County > Clerk's Office, Morristown, Tennessee, microfilm roll #9, Tennessee > State > Library and Archives, Nashville, Tennessee. > > 9. Marguerite W. Williams, editor, Death Records of Hamblen County, > Tennessee 1902-1950 (Morristown, Tennessee: Hamblen County Genealogical > Society, 1995), 108. Hereinafter cited as Death Records of Hamblen > County. > > 10. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 33. > > 11. Ibid. > > 12. Marguerite Williams and The Hamblen County Genealogical Society, , > Some > Compiled Death Records from Hamblen County, Tennessee and Nearby Areas, > Helen Danison Richard Griscom and Doris Stump, editors, (Morristown, > Tennessee: The Hamblen County Genealogical Society and the Hamblen County > Archives), 353. > > 13. Ibid. > > 14. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 33. > > 15. Williams et. al., Death Records from Hamblen County and Nearby Areas, > 353. > > 16. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 33. > > 17. Hamblen County Marriage Books 1-4: 4: 144, Tennessee State Library > and > Archives, microfilm roll #9. > > 18. Williams et. al., Death Records from Hamblen County and Nearby Areas, > 353. > > 19. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 33. > > 20. John Long household, 1880 U.S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, > population schedule, civil district 4, enumeration district 73, > supervisor's district 1, written page 27, printed page 401B, dwelling > 229, > family 229, 17 June 1880, National Archives micropublication T9, roll > 1258. > > 21. Ibid. > > 22. Ibid. > > 23. Luther B. Hodge household, 1920 U.S. census, Hamblen County, > Tennessee, > population schedule, district 1, enumeration district 52, supervisor's > district 2, sheet 6A, dwelling 102, family 112, 12 January 1920, National > Archives microfilm T625, roll 1742. > > 24. 1880 U.S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, > civil > district 4, enumeration district 73, supervisor's district 1, written > page > 27, printed page 401B, dwelling 229, family 229. > > 25. 1920 U.S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, > district 1, enumeration district 52, supervisor's district 2, sheet 6A, > dwelling 102, family 112. > > 26. Ibid. > > 27. Ibid. > > 28. Ibid. > > 29. Ibid. > > 30. Hamblen County Marriage Books 1-4: 4: 144, Tennessee State Library > and > Archives, microfilm roll #9. > > 31. Ibid. > > 32. Ibid. > > 33. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 33. > > 34. Ibid. > > 35. Ibid. > > 36. Williams et. al., Death Records from Hamblen County and Nearby Areas, > 252. > > 37. Erastus Hazelwood household, 1920 U.S. census, Hamblen County, > Tennessee, population schedule, district 1, enumeration district 52, > supervisor's district 2, sheet 6A, dwelling 101, family 111, 12 January > 1920, National Archives microfilm T625, roll 1742. > > 38. Williams et. al., Death Records from Hamblen County and Nearby Areas, > 252. > > 39. Ibid. > > ______________________________ > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

Dear Deborah, I have a copy of the marriage record from film and I think the date is correct. I too read the date as 22 years. I don't know waht happened to either Wally or Dora. I think Emmeline was married before the record says Stephens. I think Emmeline probably WAS married to a Stephens. The Marshes seemed to intermarry with the Stephens <smile>, but I have never located a marriage record for Emmeline's first marriage (if there was one?) Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "DEBORAH ONEAL" <DRTONEAL@msn.com> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:57 Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: Another try > Thanks. Gail for the information. I don't have that much info on Emmeline. > Most of what I do have comes from Census data etc. My main area of > concentration has been that of her sister Elizabeth's family. > > I do show Emmeline and John next household to William and Anna Marsh in > the 1880 census. If the marriage date is correct then it does appear that > John was married before as there are children listed in the home that are > too old from this marriage--Son Wallie 15 and Daughter Dora 8. Lula born > in August of 1879 fits for this couple. The image from 1900 is damaged and > too blurred to read years of marriage for John and Emeline--looks like 22 > years though? Number of children says 7 born and 5 still living with > Martha L Aug 1879 and Ada listed still in the household at census time. > > Debbie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gail Roorda<mailto:possum2@softhome.net> > To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: Another try > > > Deborah, > > Apparently both John W. and Emmeline were married before. Emmeline to a > Stephens and I have not yet figured out who John W.'s first wife would > have > been. (You really have to watch it with the Longs!) > > This is the infromation I have on John Weley's and Emmeline's mutual > children. > > > Family Group Sheet > > Subject John Wesley LONG (461)1,2,3,4 > Birth* 21 Feb 1837 Grainger County, Tennessee.5,6 > Marriage* 24 Sep 1878 Hamblen County, Tennessee.7,8 > Death* 24 Apr 1907 Hamblen County, Tennessee.9 > Burial* __ ___ ____ Economy Cemetery, Morristown, > Hamblen county, Tennessee.10 > Father* Nicholas LONG (177) (b. 15 Jul 1811, d. 26 Jun > 1896) > Mother* Jane COOTER (178) (b. 4 Sep 1814, d. 6 Nov 1900) > > Spouse* Emmeline MARSH (587)11,12,13 > Birth* 8 Sep 1847 Virginia.14,15 > Name- 24 Sep 1878 LONG16,17 > Marr: > Death* 9 Jul 1932 Hamblen County, Tennessee.18 > Burial* __ ___ ____ Economy Cemetery, Morristown, > Hamblen County, Tennessee.19 > Father* William A. MARSH (1299) (b. 17 Aug 1816, d. 13 > Apr 1893) > Mother* Annie MYERS (1300) (b. 17 Aug 1822, d. 24 Feb > 1907) > > Three Known Children > F Martha Lula LONG (736)20,21,22 > Name- HODGE23 > Marr: > Birth* __ Sep 1879 Hamblen County, Tennessee.24 > Son: circa __ ___ Carlisle W. HODGE (1387); Hamblen > 1906 County, Tennessee.25 > Son: circa __ ___ Hubert H. HODGE (1388); Hamblen > 1909 County, Tennessee.26 > Son: circa __ ___ Harold E. HODGE (1389); Hamblen > 1913 County, Tennessee.27 > Daughter: circa __ ___ Ebba O. HODGE (1390); Hamblen > 1917 County, Tennessee.28 > Marriage* Luther B. HODGE (1386) (b. circa > 1879, )29 > F Dochia LONG (588)30,31,32 > Birth* 21 Aug 1881 Hamblen County, Tennessee.33 > Death* 21 Jul 1899 (probably) Hamblen County, > Tennessee.34 > Burial* __ ___ ____ Economy Methodist Church Cemetery, > Morristown, Hamblen County, > Tennessee.35 > > F Ada N. LONG (737) > Birth* 18 Jun 1884 Hamblen County, Tennessee.36 > Name- __ ___ ____ HAZELWOOD > Marr: > Marriage* __ ___ ____ Erastus HAZELWOOD (1241) (b. 1887, > d. 15 Dec 1922), son of Dan W. > HAZELWOOD (1239) and Mary Eva HILL > (1240) > Daughter: circa __ ___ Alma HAZELWOOD (1391); Hamblen > 1918 County, Tennessee.37 > Death* 22 May 1938 Morristown, Hamblen County, > Tennessee.38 > Burial* __ ___ ____ Economy Cemetery, Morristown, > Hamblen County, Tennessee.39 > > Endnotes > > 1. Nicholas Long household, 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, > Tennessee, > population schedule, district 2, written page 24, dwelling 168, family > 162, > 21 August 1850, National Archives micropublication M432, roll 88. > > 2. Nicholas Long household, 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, > population schedule, Rutledge post office, district 2, page 415A, > dwelling > 179, family 179, 12 June 1860, National Archives micropublication M653, > roll 1250. > > 3. 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, > district 2, written page 24, dwelling 168, family 162. > > 4. Ibid. > > 5. Ibid. > > 6. Hamblen County Genealogical Society, Cemeteries of Hamblen County, > Vol. > III, (Morristown, Tennessee: Hamblen County Genealogical Society, 1996), > 33. > > 7. Ibid. > > 8. Hamblen County Marriage Books 1-4 Jan. 1872-Oct. 1899 4: 144, County > Clerk's Office, Morristown, Tennessee, microfilm roll #9, Tennessee > State > Library and Archives, Nashville, Tennessee. > > 9. Marguerite W. Williams, editor, Death Records of Hamblen County, > Tennessee 1902-1950 (Morristown, Tennessee: Hamblen County Genealogical > Society, 1995), 108. Hereinafter cited as Death Records of Hamblen > County. > > 10. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 33. > > 11. Ibid. > > 12. Marguerite Williams and The Hamblen County Genealogical Society, , > Some > Compiled Death Records from Hamblen County, Tennessee and Nearby Areas, > Helen Danison Richard Griscom and Doris Stump, editors, (Morristown, > Tennessee: The Hamblen County Genealogical Society and the Hamblen County > Archives), 353. > > 13. Ibid. > > 14. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 33. > > 15. Williams et. al., Death Records from Hamblen County and Nearby Areas, > 353. > > 16. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 33. > > 17. Hamblen County Marriage Books 1-4: 4: 144, Tennessee State Library > and > Archives, microfilm roll #9. > > 18. Williams et. al., Death Records from Hamblen County and Nearby Areas, > 353. > > 19. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 33. > > 20. John Long household, 1880 U.S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, > population schedule, civil district 4, enumeration district 73, > supervisor's district 1, written page 27, printed page 401B, dwelling > 229, > family 229, 17 June 1880, National Archives micropublication T9, roll > 1258. > > 21. Ibid. > > 22. Ibid. > > 23. Luther B. Hodge household, 1920 U.S. census, Hamblen County, > Tennessee, > population schedule, district 1, enumeration district 52, supervisor's > district 2, sheet 6A, dwelling 102, family 112, 12 January 1920, National > Archives microfilm T625, roll 1742. > > 24. 1880 U.S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, > civil > district 4, enumeration district 73, supervisor's district 1, written > page > 27, printed page 401B, dwelling 229, family 229. > > 25. 1920 U.S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, > district 1, enumeration district 52, supervisor's district 2, sheet 6A, > dwelling 102, family 112. > > 26. Ibid. > > 27. Ibid. > > 28. Ibid. > > 29. Ibid. > > 30. Hamblen County Marriage Books 1-4: 4: 144, Tennessee State Library > and > Archives, microfilm roll #9. > > 31. Ibid. > > 32. Ibid. > > 33. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 33. > > 34. Ibid. > > 35. Ibid. > > 36. Williams et. al., Death Records from Hamblen County and Nearby Areas, > 252. > > 37. Erastus Hazelwood household, 1920 U.S. census, Hamblen County, > Tennessee, population schedule, district 1, enumeration district 52, > supervisor's district 2, sheet 6A, dwelling 101, family 111, 12 January > 1920, National Archives microfilm T625, roll 1742. > > 38. Williams et. al., Death Records from Hamblen County and Nearby Areas, > 252. > > 39. Ibid. > > ______________________________ > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

Family Group Sheet Subject Abraham LONG (75)1 Birth* 27 Dec 1846 Grainger County, Tennessee.2 Marriage* 13 Oct 1864 Grainger County, Tennessee.3,4 Death* 1 May 1912 Hamblen County, Tennessee.5 Burial* __ ___ ____ Economy Cemetery, Morristown, Hamblen County, Tennessee.6 Father* Nicholas LONG (177) (b. 15 Jul 1811, d. 26 Jun 1896) Mother* Jane COOTER (178) (b. 4 Sep 1814, d. 6 Nov 1900) Spouse* Susan Emily IVY (74)7,8,9,10 Name- __ ___ ____ LONG11 Marr: Birth* 20 Oct 1845 Grainger County, Tennessee.12,13 Death* 5 Jun 1917 Hamblen County, Tennessee. Burial* __ ___ ____ Economy Cemetery, Morristown, Hamblen County, Tennessee. Father* John Hamilton IVY I (54) (b. 1809, d. 1856) Mother* Isabella Catherine HAZELWOOD (55) (b. 13 Jan 1821, d. 13 May 1890) Five Known Children M Joseph William LONG (76)14,15,16 Birth* 18 Sep 1866 near Morristown, Grainger County, Tennessee.17,18,19 Marriage* __ ___ ____ Ida SMITH (176) (b. 20 Jun 1875, d. 12 Nov 1897), daughter of Alexander SMITH (625) and Jemima (--?--) (1334)20 Son: __ Sep 1891 William Abraham LONG (220); Hamblen County, Tennessee.21 Daughter: __ Feb 1894 Nellie M. LONG (221); Hamblen County, Tennessee.22 Marriage* circa __ ___ Mary C. (--?--) (1335) (b. 1871, 1903 )23 Daughter: 28 Feb 1907 Gracie Lee LONG (1336); 24 Death* 12 Apr 1925 Hot Springs, Madison County, North Carolina.25 Burial* __ ___ ____ Economy Cemetery, Morristown, Hamblen County, Tennessee.26 M John Henry LONG (77)27,28,29 Birth* 18 Sep 1866 Grainger County, Tennessee.30,31 Marriage* 9 Oct 1886 Lucy J. SMITH (458) (b. 20 Mar 1871, d. 5 Nov 1935), daughter of Alexander SMITH (625) and Jemima (--?--) (1334); Hamblen County, Tennessee.32,33 Son: 24 Aug 1887 Charles Cleveland LONG (586); Morristown, Hamblen County, Tennessee. Son: 22 Aug 1890 Walter A. LONG (584); Morristown, Hamblen County, Tennessee.34,35 Daughter: 22 Dec 1891 Gemima L. LONG (585); Hamblen County, Tennessee.36,37 Son: 7 Apr 1894 Coy LONG (583); Hamblen County, Tennessee.38 Son: 7 Jul 1910 John Henry LONG (1378); Hamblen County, Tennessee.39 Death* 11 Mar 1931 Morristown, Hamblen County, Tennessee.40 Burial* __ ___ ____ Economy Cemetery, Morristown, Hamblen County, Tennessee.41 F Belle LONG (78)42,43,44 Birth* __ Dec 1872 Hamblen County, Tennessee. Name- __ ___ 1892 LOWERY45 Marr: Marriage* __ ___ 1892 William Henry LOWERY Sr. (385) (b. 28 Mar 1869, d. 7 Sep 1936), son of J. W. LOWERY (1371) and Mary RAY (1372)46 Daughter: __ Jul 1894 Jessie M LOWERY (386); Hamblen County, Tennessee.47 Daughter: 1 Sep 1895 Rosella LOWERY (387); Hamblen County, Tennessee.48,49 Daughter: __ May 1898 Mary E. LOWERY (388); Hamblen County, Tennessee.50 Son: 5 Oct 1899 Clifford E. LOWERY (389); Hamblen County, Tennessee.51,52 Son: __ ___ 1901 Frank LOWERY (390); Hamblen County, Tennessee.53 Daughter: __ ___ 1905 Susan E. LOWERY (391); Hamblen County, Tennessee.54 Son: 18 Oct 1907 William Henry LOWERY Jr. (1373); Hamblen County, Tennessee.55,56 Son: __ Apr 1909 Ellis LOWERY (392); 57 Daughter: __ ___ 1912 Lena LOWERY (393); Hamblen County, Tennessee.58 M Garrett LONG (80)59,60,61 Birth* 10 Apr 1873 Hamblen County, Tennessee.62 Marriage* circa __ ___ Myrtle J. SMITH (525) (b. 23 Jan 1892 1880, d. 28 Dec 1958)63,64 Daughter: circa __ ___ Annie LONG (589); near Moristown, 1896 Hamblen County, Tennessee.65 Son: circa __ ___ Horace LONG (590); near Morristown, 1907 Hamblen County, Tennessee.66 Death* 13 Mar 1945 67 Burial* __ ___ ____ Economy Methodist Church Cemetery, Morristown, Hamblen County, Tennessee.68 M George Patrick LONG (79)69,70,71,72 Birth* 9 Jun 1875 Hamblen County, Tennessee.73,74 Death* 8 Feb 1949 Hamblen County, Tennessee.75 Burial* __ ___ ____ Emma Jarnigan Cemetery, Morristown, Hamblen County, Tennessee.76 Marriage* Mattie ENGLISH (1360)77 No children Endnotes 1. George Franks Ivey, The Ivey Family in the United States (Hickory, N. C.: The Southern Publishing Co., 1944), pg. 32. 2. Hamblen County Genealogical Society, Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, (Morristown, Tennessee: Hamblen County Genealogical Society, 1996), 33. 3. George Franks Ivey, The Ivey Family, pg. 32. 4. Byron and Barbara Sistler, compiler, Early East Tennessee Marriages, Volumes 1 & 2, (Nashville, Tennessee: Byron Sistler and Associates, Inc., 1987), page 64. Hereinafter cited as Early East Tennessee Marriages. 5. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 33. 6. Ibid. 7. George Franks Ivey, The Ivey Family. 8. John Hamilton Ivy estate settlement (1858), Grainger County Will Book 3: 437, Grainger County Clerk's Office, Rutledge, Tennessee, microcopy A-142, Tennessee State Library and Archive, Nashville, Tennessee. 9. Ibid. 10. George Franks Ivey, The Ivey Family. 11. George Franks Ivey, The Ivey Family, pg. 32. 12. George Franks Ivey, The Ivey Family. 13. Willard Noe, transcriber, "Economy Cemetery," 75, ( WPA, 1938), American Genealogical Lending Library micropublication V202, roll 27. 14. Marguerite W. Williams, editor, Death Records of Hamblen County, Tennessee 1902-1950 (Morristown, Tennessee: Hamblen County Genealogical Society, 1995), 108. Hereinafter cited as Death Records of Hamblen County. 15. Abraham Long household, 1880 U.S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 4, enumeration district 73, supervisor's district 1, page 401C, dwelling 222, family 222, 17 June 1880, National Archives micropublication T9, roll 1258. 16. George Franks Ivey, The Ivey Family, Page 60. 17. 1880 U.S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 4, enumeration district 73, supervisor's district 1, page 401C, dwelling 222, family 222. 18. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 38. 19. Marguerite Williams and The Hamblen County Genealogical Society, , Some Compiled Death Records from Hamblen County, Tennessee and Nearby Areas, Helen Danison Richard Griscom and Doris Stump, editors, (Morristown, Tennessee: The Hamblen County Genealogical Society and the Hamblen County Archives), 356. Citing Stretzer Funeral Home records. 20. George Franks Ivey, The Ivey Family, page 61. 21. Alexander Smith household, 1900 U. S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, 2nd civil district, enumeration district 54, supervisor's district 1, sheet 6b, dwelling 12, family 13, 2 June 1900, National Archives micropublication T623, roll 1575. 22. Ibid. 23. Joseph W. Long household, 1910 U. S. census, Greene County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 18, enumeration district 91, supervisor's district 1, sheet 2B, dwelling 35, family 38, 19 April 1900, National Archives microcopy T624, roll 1501. 24. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 33. 25. Williams et. al., Death Records from Hamblen County and Nearby Areas, 356. 26. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 33. 27. George Franks Ivey, The Ivey Family, pg. 60. 28. Ibid. 29. Ibid. 30. 1880 U.S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 4, enumeration district 73, supervisor's district 1, page 401C, dwelling 222, family 222. 31. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 38. 32. Emmeline Long household, 1910 U. S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 1, enumeration district 52, supervisor's district 2, sheet 6B, dwelling 119, family 120, 29 April 1910, National Archives microcopy T624, roll 1501, on CD-ROM, (Bountiful, Utah: Heritage Quest, 2001). 33. James L. Douthat, Hamblen County Marriage Books 1-5 (Signal Mountain, Tennessee: Mountain Press, 1984). 34. 1910 U. S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 1, enumeration district 52, supervisor's district 2, sheet 6B, dwelling 119, family 120, 29 April 1910. 35. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 6. 36. 1910 U. S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 1, enumeration district 52, supervisor's district 2, sheet 6B, dwelling 119, family 120, 29 April 1910. 37. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 38. 38. 1910 U. S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 1, enumeration district 52, supervisor's district 2, sheet 6B, dwelling 119, family 120, 29 April 1910. 39. John H. Long household, 1930 U.S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, district 7, enumeration district 11, supervisor's district 8, sheet 5A, dwelling 79, family 80, 15 April 1930, National Archives microfilmT626 roll 2249. 40. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 38. 41. Ibid. 42. George Franks Ivey, The Ivey Family, pg. 62. 43. Ibid. 44. Ibid. 45. Susan E. Long household, 1900 U. S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, Civil district 2, enumeration district 54, supervisor's district 1, page 6A, dwelling 13, family 14, 02 June 1900, National Archives micropublication T623, roll 1575, on CD-ROM, (Bountiful, Utah: Heritage Quest, 1998). 46. William Lowry household, 1900 U. S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, Civil district 2, enumeration district 54, supervisor's district 1, page 13A, dwelling 150, family 152, 19 June 1900, National Archives micropublication T623, roll 1575, on CD-ROM, (Bountiful, Utah: Heritage Quest, 1998). 47. Ibid. 48. Clarence McGinnis and Stella Grace McGinnis, compilers, Grainger County, Tennnessee Cemetery Rcords Volume II South of Clinch Mountain (Morristown, Tennessee: privately printed, 1985), 95. Hereinafter cited as Grainger County Cemetery Records Vol. II. 49. 1900 U. S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, Civil district 2, enumeration district 54, supervisor's district 1, page 13A, dwelling 150, family 152, 19 June 1900. 50. Ibid. 51. Ibid. 52. Williams et. al., Death Records from Hamblen County and Nearby Areas, 362. 53. William H. Lowry household, 1910 U. S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 3, Whitesburg, enumeration district 58, supervisor's district 2, sheet 1A, dwelling 100, family 100, 25 April 1910, National Archives microcopy T624, roll 1501, on CD-ROM, (Bountiful, Utah: Heritage Quest, 2001). 54. Ibid. 55. Ibid. 56. Williams et. al., Death Records from Hamblen County and Nearby Areas, 362. 57. 1910 U. S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 3, Whitesburg, enumeration district 58, supervisor's district 2, sheet 1A, dwelling 100, family 100, 25 April 1910. 58. George Franks Ivey, The Ivey Family, 61. 59. George Franks Ivey, The Ivey Family, pg. 60. 60. Ibid. 61. Ibid. 62. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 36. 63. George Franks Ivey, The Ivey Family, 72. 64. Garret Long household, 1910 U. S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 2, enumeration district 53, supervisor's district 2, sheet 1A, dwelling 10, family 10, 18 April 1910, National Archives microcopy T624, roll 1501, on CD-ROM, (Bountiful, Utah: Heritage Quest, 2001). 65. Ibid. 66. Ibid. 67. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 36. 68. Ibid. 69. George Franks Ivey, The Ivey Family, pg. 60. 70. Marguerite W. Williams, Death Records of Hamblen County, 107. 71. George Franks Ivey, The Ivey Family, pg. 60. 72. Ibid. 73. Marguerite W. Williams, Death Records of Hamblen County, 107. 74. 1900 U. S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, Civil district 2, enumeration district 54, supervisor's district 1, page 6A, dwelling 13, family 14, 02 June 1900. 75. Marguerite W. Williams, Death Records of Hamblen County, 107. 76. Williams et. al., Death Records from Hamblen County and Nearby Areas, 353. 77. George Franks Ivey, The Ivey Family, 72.

Continuing with the Longs... 2nd problem or discrepancy in my Long research is that I DON"T thinkJoseph William and John Henry Long sons of Susan Emily Ivy were twins although my records currently indicates they WERE. According to the census they were apparently very close together in age and for all I know were born on the same day.. We Ivys have a tome actuallly tomes (the second book about the Ivys (Iveys) was written to correct errors in the firast book, but my line only goes up to the first immigrants to Grainger County my 4th great grandparents Henry and Jane Howell Ivy (Ivey) amd their family. Although some of the more recent information in George Franks Ivey's Iveys in the United States is actually reliable (over the years I have beonged to various Ivey, Ivy, Ivie surname lists where shooting broadsides at this book was everyone's favorite occupation) the dates for this family are year dates and way off. Where did I get the the information on John Henry and Joseph William? Cemetery transcriptions and Stretzer Home records cited in a new book I have. I am on a budget and the last time I checked a North Carolina death certificate would cost me $7.00 and a Tennessee death certificate would cost me ten. Gail

Thanks. Gail for the information. I don't have that much info on Emmeline. Most of what I do have comes from Census data etc. My main area of concentration has been that of her sister Elizabeth's family. I do show Emmeline and John next household to William and Anna Marsh in the 1880 census. If the marriage date is correct then it does appear that John was married before as there are children listed in the home that are too old from this marriage--Son Wallie 15 and Daughter Dora 8. Lula born in August of 1879 fits for this couple. The image from 1900 is damaged and too blurred to read years of marriage for John and Emeline--looks like 22 years though? Number of children says 7 born and 5 still living with Martha L Aug 1879 and Ada listed still in the household at census time. Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: Gail Roorda<mailto:possum2@softhome.net> To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: Another try Deborah, Apparently both John W. and Emmeline were married before. Emmeline to a Stephens and I have not yet figured out who John W.'s first wife would have been. (You really have to watch it with the Longs!) This is the infromation I have on John Weley's and Emmeline's mutual children. Family Group Sheet Subject John Wesley LONG (461)1,2,3,4 Birth* 21 Feb 1837 Grainger County, Tennessee.5,6 Marriage* 24 Sep 1878 Hamblen County, Tennessee.7,8 Death* 24 Apr 1907 Hamblen County, Tennessee.9 Burial* __ ___ ____ Economy Cemetery, Morristown, Hamblen county, Tennessee.10 Father* Nicholas LONG (177) (b. 15 Jul 1811, d. 26 Jun 1896) Mother* Jane COOTER (178) (b. 4 Sep 1814, d. 6 Nov 1900) Spouse* Emmeline MARSH (587)11,12,13 Birth* 8 Sep 1847 Virginia.14,15 Name- 24 Sep 1878 LONG16,17 Marr: Death* 9 Jul 1932 Hamblen County, Tennessee.18 Burial* __ ___ ____ Economy Cemetery, Morristown, Hamblen County, Tennessee.19 Father* William A. MARSH (1299) (b. 17 Aug 1816, d. 13 Apr 1893) Mother* Annie MYERS (1300) (b. 17 Aug 1822, d. 24 Feb 1907) Three Known Children F Martha Lula LONG (736)20,21,22 Name- HODGE23 Marr: Birth* __ Sep 1879 Hamblen County, Tennessee.24 Son: circa __ ___ Carlisle W. HODGE (1387); Hamblen 1906 County, Tennessee.25 Son: circa __ ___ Hubert H. HODGE (1388); Hamblen 1909 County, Tennessee.26 Son: circa __ ___ Harold E. HODGE (1389); Hamblen 1913 County, Tennessee.27 Daughter: circa __ ___ Ebba O. HODGE (1390); Hamblen 1917 County, Tennessee.28 Marriage* Luther B. HODGE (1386) (b. circa 1879, )29 F Dochia LONG (588)30,31,32 Birth* 21 Aug 1881 Hamblen County, Tennessee.33 Death* 21 Jul 1899 (probably) Hamblen County, Tennessee.34 Burial* __ ___ ____ Economy Methodist Church Cemetery, Morristown, Hamblen County, Tennessee.35 F Ada N. LONG (737) Birth* 18 Jun 1884 Hamblen County, Tennessee.36 Name- __ ___ ____ HAZELWOOD Marr: Marriage* __ ___ ____ Erastus HAZELWOOD (1241) (b. 1887, d. 15 Dec 1922), son of Dan W. HAZELWOOD (1239) and Mary Eva HILL (1240) Daughter: circa __ ___ Alma HAZELWOOD (1391); Hamblen 1918 County, Tennessee.37 Death* 22 May 1938 Morristown, Hamblen County, Tennessee.38 Burial* __ ___ ____ Economy Cemetery, Morristown, Hamblen County, Tennessee.39 Endnotes 1. Nicholas Long household, 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, district 2, written page 24, dwelling 168, family 162, 21 August 1850, National Archives micropublication M432, roll 88. 2. Nicholas Long household, 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, Rutledge post office, district 2, page 415A, dwelling 179, family 179, 12 June 1860, National Archives micropublication M653, roll 1250. 3. 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, district 2, written page 24, dwelling 168, family 162. 4. Ibid. 5. Ibid. 6. Hamblen County Genealogical Society, Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, (Morristown, Tennessee: Hamblen County Genealogical Society, 1996), 33. 7. Ibid. 8. Hamblen County Marriage Books 1-4 Jan. 1872-Oct. 1899 4: 144, County Clerk's Office, Morristown, Tennessee, microfilm roll #9, Tennessee State Library and Archives, Nashville, Tennessee. 9. Marguerite W. Williams, editor, Death Records of Hamblen County, Tennessee 1902-1950 (Morristown, Tennessee: Hamblen County Genealogical Society, 1995), 108. Hereinafter cited as Death Records of Hamblen County. 10. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 33. 11. Ibid. 12. Marguerite Williams and The Hamblen County Genealogical Society, , Some Compiled Death Records from Hamblen County, Tennessee and Nearby Areas, Helen Danison Richard Griscom and Doris Stump, editors, (Morristown, Tennessee: The Hamblen County Genealogical Society and the Hamblen County Archives), 353. 13. Ibid. 14. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 33. 15. Williams et. al., Death Records from Hamblen County and Nearby Areas, 353. 16. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 33. 17. Hamblen County Marriage Books 1-4: 4: 144, Tennessee State Library and Archives, microfilm roll #9. 18. Williams et. al., Death Records from Hamblen County and Nearby Areas, 353. 19. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 33. 20. John Long household, 1880 U.S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 4, enumeration district 73, supervisor's district 1, written page 27, printed page 401B, dwelling 229, family 229, 17 June 1880, National Archives micropublication T9, roll 1258. 21. Ibid. 22. Ibid. 23. Luther B. Hodge household, 1920 U.S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, district 1, enumeration district 52, supervisor's district 2, sheet 6A, dwelling 102, family 112, 12 January 1920, National Archives microfilm T625, roll 1742. 24. 1880 U.S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 4, enumeration district 73, supervisor's district 1, written page 27, printed page 401B, dwelling 229, family 229. 25. 1920 U.S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, district 1, enumeration district 52, supervisor's district 2, sheet 6A, dwelling 102, family 112. 26. Ibid. 27. Ibid. 28. Ibid. 29. Ibid. 30. Hamblen County Marriage Books 1-4: 4: 144, Tennessee State Library and Archives, microfilm roll #9. 31. Ibid. 32. Ibid. 33. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 33. 34. Ibid. 35. Ibid. 36. Williams et. al., Death Records from Hamblen County and Nearby Areas, 252. 37. Erastus Hazelwood household, 1920 U.S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, district 1, enumeration district 52, supervisor's district 2, sheet 6A, dwelling 101, family 111, 12 January 1920, National Archives microfilm T625, roll 1742. 38. Williams et. al., Death Records from Hamblen County and Nearby Areas, 252. 39. Ibid. ______________________________

Hi Gail, i have these IVYs in my files. might be of help. Ray. found this in my MOOREs of BLACKWATER,VA in LEE Co. Margaret Esther /BROOKS/ 1 SEX F 1 BIRT 2 DATE 14 SEP 1893 1 DEAT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2 DATE 12 APR 1947 2 PLAC Claiborne Co., TN 1 BURI 2 PLAC Irish Cemetery, Claiborne Co., TN 1 OCCU Had Edith Ivy 1 NAME Charles D. /BURNETT/ 1 SEX M. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- this 1 from BETTY DONLEY file: Edna Marie Yeatman Moore, passed away Monday morning, June 22, 1998, in Morristown, She was the widow fo P.H.(Bill) Moore and the daughter of the late william Eugene and florence Edna Ivy Yeatman. She was a member of First Baptist Church of Morristown and a former member of Central Baptist Church in Knoxville, --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:39:10 -0600, "Gail Roorda" <possum2@softhome.net> said: > First of all I am not sure of the exact DOD of Amanda Long Ivy. This > tombstone was mis-transcribed when the WPA transcribed the cemetery or > maybe > it was already unreadable at the time, the current transcription of > Economy > Cemetery has the same information. "Amanda Ivy, w/o J. H. Ivy Apr 15 > 1852, > December 13 1856." <grin> Now if you think about it this is NOT possible. > A > helpful fellow researcher took pictures of the Ivy tombstones in Economy > Cemetery and as the stones were difficult to read attempted to transcribe > them. John H. is lying between his two wives out in Economy Cemetery, I > could figure out that much, but I don't think that even if I ever get to > Tennessee I will be able to read tthis stone. > > One could suppose that Amanda died 13 December 1856, but I currently have > 1888. > > Why??? > > The obituary of my great uncle Bob (Robert Taylor Ivy) says his mother > died > when he was about 7. > > It has NOT been my experience that widowers with 6 young children waited > four years to remarry. > > This is the weirdest reason of all...in looking back it seems to me that > grandpa's memory of his mother is clearer than the memory of a three year > old. There was a large picture of John H. (John Hamilton Ivy II) and > Amanda > hanging over grandpa's bed. It wasn't always there and I don't know > whether > he had always had it or whether somebody either out here or back in > Tennessee had died and he came into it. He was showing the picture to me > and my mother and talking about his mom.. Although I certainly was not > into > genealogical research then, I don't know why it didn't occur to me to > just > ask how old he was when Amanda died. > > Gail > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to > tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > DNA done. STEVE MOORE a 25 marker. at family tree.com D629W. at ysearch MOORE DNA PROJECT M36142 mine a 12 marker at familytree.com FYN8F . ysearch MOORE DNA M30219 Researching: MOORE, ,MOOR. MOHR. MAYES, MAYS, MAZE, MIZE, MAISE, MAIZE, CARR, COX, COURTNEY, MYERS, TOWNSLEY, POWERS, GRUBBS, GRUBB, POE, (SMITH 4 lines) RUSSELL, LEWIS, DUNN, WHITEAKER, WHITAKER, REECE, HUNDLEY/HUNLEY, MANIS, MOLES, NEWBY. PARKER, CHEATHAM,CHITTUM, BROWN, HAUN, OGLESBY, LONG, DUNN, SHIPLEY & VOWELL & ROSS, LIPPS, MOCK, SHIRLEY, PENDLEY, JORDON. my pages: http://tippytnn.topcities.com/moore508/moore.htm Friends: PECK,LAMBERT,MEADOWS -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html

So you are living in Missouri? In the area of Miller/Moniteau Co., perchance? I have an ancestor Mary Ann or Jane Long, b. MO, married Hardy Shadwick in Miller Co. about 1860. Could you be related? Thanks, Trueman Farris. jfarris@execpc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Roorda" <possum2@softhome.net> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: Longs > Dear fellow Grainger County researchers. > > In case anyone is wondering what this is all about??? and why in all my > years on the list you have never heard anthing about my great great > grandparents Nick and Jane Cooter Long?? > > What this is all about is that some months ago I promised to send a fellow > researcher in this list my information on the Hazelwoods (Hazlewoods) at > least the descendent of Thomas and Barsheba? and Blany and Catherine > Manson? Hazelwood. Blany was most likely married about three times, but I > would be glad to just get the children of his LAST wife straightened out. > > Also I was going to send her my information on my Longs although my Longs > are different Longs than hers. She probably thinks that I have fallen > into a hole out here is Missouri. Actually my "nearest" ancestress fell > and broke her hip and then.... , I could just go on and on...... (<grin> > but I won't!) > > I have resolved to just print off what I have and sent it on this week! > <grin> It seems that I will have no time soon to do any further research. > <smile> > > Answer to why you all have never heard of the Longs...when I printed out > my data I encountered once again all the discrepamcies and "holes" in my > data that I have been unables to "fill in" or "fix" <sigh> More about > these holes as I have time this evening. > > Gail > ______________________________

To whom it may concern maybe u all can help me i hope so i'm at wits end for now and dont know where to go. So i'ld appreciate any help this is what i've on my family tree and i hope u all can help. granfather John Issac Smith married Ida Sellers (maiden name) she was born around 1881 both in Grainger County Tennesse or Rutledge, Tennessee. According to the 1930 census she was listed as a widow. They had 4 children Vada Smith married Harold Patterson had several children i remember 2 of them Shirley /Genevena===== Shirley was killed with her unborn baby in Grainger County Helen Smith married Jack Perry they had three children 1 daughter Martha/ the only names i know the sons by was Buck and Butch JV unknown i dont know nothing about him i meet a few times and that was all Lonas Lester Smith married (1st time) Dorthey they had two children John Lester/Wanda Faye she died in her early teens (2nd marriage ) Bobbie O'mary (O'Mara) they had 3 children Teresa (born 1959)/Debra (Debbie born 1963) Carl (born 1960 ===died 1978) My parents Lonas and Bobbie was married in IN 1957 both marriages was in Knox County I hope somebody can help so i know which way to go thank u teresa kerr-cinnamon