Gail, Do you have the parents of Pharabba Brewer who married Harbard Cooper? My gr gr grandmother was Elizabeth Brewer, probably a sister to Pharabba (Ferby) Brewer. Elizabeth married Banister Medlin 1833 in Chatham Co., NC. By 1850, Harbard and Pharabba Cooper, Banister and Elizabeth Medlin were in Grainger Co and another sister, Amelia (Millie) Brewer who married William Morgan was in Jefferson Co. Thanks, Grace

Dear Arlene, Whom did Frank Holt marry. I am a little mixed up on this one. I also have no marriage for the other Louisa (if she married at all), but maybe her brothers's (or the other Louisa's <grin> ) obituaries will contain this information. Gail

Endnotes 1. John Holt household, 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, Rutledge post office, district 2, page 413, dwelling 148, family 148, 12 June 1860, National Archives micropublication M653, roll 1250. 2. Hamblen County Genealogical Society, Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, (Morristown, Tennessee: Hamblen County Genealogical Society, 1996), 103. 3. Ibid. 4. Ibid. 5. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, Rutledge post office, district 2, page 413, dwelling 148, family 148. 6. John Holt household, 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, district 2, written page 9A, dwelling 123, family 132, 17 August 1850, National Archives micropublication M432, roll 88. 7. John Holt household, 1870 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil distrct 2, Morristown post office, written page 2, family 7, dwelling 7, 26 August 1870, National Archives micropublication M593, roll 1530. 8. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, Rutledge post office, district 2, page 413, dwelling 148, family 148. 9. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 102. 10. 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, district 2, written page 9A, dwelling 123, family 132. 11. Ibid. 12. Ibid. 13. Ibid. 14. Hamblen County Genealogical Society, Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. I, (Morristown, Tennessee: Hamblen County Genealogical Society, 1989), 103. 15. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 103. 16. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. I, 103. 17. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 103. 18. 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule,district 2, written page 9A, dwelling 123, family 132. 19. Ibid. 20. Ibid. 21. Ibid. 22. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 103. 23. Ibid. 24. 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, district 2, written page 9A, dwelling 123, family 132. 25. Ibid. 26. Ibid. 27. Ibid. 28. Billie Wyrick Kennerly, compiler, Grainger County Marriage Records, Vol 1 1796-1837 & Vol. 2 1838-1866 (Houston, Texas: Herb Fisher Company, 1964), 2: 99, microcopy, Tennessee State Library and Archives, Nashville, Tennessee. 29. Delores Harrington, compiler, Gone But Not Forgotten: Directory of the Deceased in Atchison County, Missouri From the Earliest Records Through 1990 and items of History and Interest (Atchison County, Missouri: Atchison County Historical Society, 1991), 196. Hereinafter cited as Gone But Not Forgotten. 30. Ibid. 31. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, Rutledge post office, district 2, page 413, dwelling 148, family 148. 32. Ibid. 33. Ibid. 34. Ibid. 35. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 103. 36. James L. Douthat, Hamblen County Marriage Books 1-5 (Signal Mountain, Tennessee: Mountain Press, 1984). 37. Marguerite W. Williams, editor, Death Records of Hamblen County, Tennessee 1902-1950 (Morristown, Tennessee: Hamblen County Genealogical Society, 1995), 90. Hereinafter cited as Death Records of Hamblen County. 38. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 103. 39. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, Rutledge post office, district 2, page 413, dwelling 148, family 148. 40. Ibid. 41. Ibid. 42. Phelps Noe household, 1880 U.S.census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 4, enumeration district 73, supervisor's district 1, page 401C, dwelling 226, family 226, 17 June 1880, National Archives micropublication T9, roll 1258. 43. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, Rutledge post office, district 2, page 413, dwelling 148, family 148. 44. 1880 U.S.census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 4, enumeration district 73, supervisor's district 1, page 401C, dwelling 226, family 226. 45. Ibid. 46. Betty Jane Collins <bettyj@esper.com>, Phelps Noe and Margaret Holt marriage date from her book Grainger County Marriages...transcribed by Betty VanOver Collins in reponse to query by Gail Roorda in "Holt/Noe," listserve message to <TNGRAING-L-@rootsweb.com>, 20 March 2003. Printout dated 18 February 2005. 47. 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, district 2, written page 9A, dwelling 123, family 132. 48. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, Rutledge post office, district 2, page 413, dwelling 148, family 148. 49. 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, district 2, written page 9A, dwelling 123, family 132. 50. Ibid. 51. Marguerite Williams and The Hamblen County Genealogical Society, , Some Compiled Death Records from Hamblen County, Tennessee and Nearby Areas, Helen Danison Richard Griscom and Doris Stump, editors, (Morristown, Tennessee: The Hamblen County Genealogical Society and the Hamblen County Archives), 447. 52. 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, district 2, written page 9A, dwelling 123, family 132. 53. Williams et. al., Death Records from Hamblen County and Nearby Areas, 447. 54. Ibid. 55. James L. Douthat, Hamblen County Marriage Books 1-5, 7. Citing Hamblen County marriage records books 1-2. 56. Williams et. al., Death Records from Hamblen County and Nearby Areas, 447. 57. Ibid. 58. 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, district 2, written page 9A, dwelling 123, family 132. 59. James L. Douthat, Hamblen County Marriage Books 1-5, 26. Citing Hamblen County Marriage Book 3:28. 60. Delores Harrington, Gone But Not Forgotten, 196. 61. Ibid. 62. 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, district 2, written page 9A, dwelling 123, family 132. 63. Ibid. 64. Ibid. 65. Ibid. 66. Delores Harrington, Gone But Not Forgotten, 196. 67. Joseph Holt household, 1880 U.S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 4, enumeration district 73, supervisor's district 1, page 397D, dwelling 164, family 164, 12 June 1880, National Archives micropublication T9, roll 1258. 68. James L. Douthat, Hamblen County Marriage Books 1-5, 7. 69. Delores Harrington, Gone But Not Forgotten, 196. 70. Ibid. 71. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, Rutledge post office, district 2, page 413, dwelling 148, family 148. 72. Ibid. 73. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 105. 74. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, Rutledge post office, district 2, page 413, dwelling 148, family 148. 75. Hamblen County Marriage Books 1-4 Jan. 1872-Oct. 1899 4: 36, County Clerk's Office, Morristown, Tennessee, microfilm roll #9, Tennessee State Library and Archives, Nashville, Tennessee. 76. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 105. 77. Ibid. 78. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, Rutledge post office, district 2, page 413, dwelling 148, family 148. 79. Ibid. 80. Ibid. 81. Ibid. 82. Ibid. 83. Ibid. 84. Delores Harrington, Gone But Not Forgotten, 230. 85. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, Rutledge post office, district 2, page 413, dwelling 148, family 148. 86. John Holt household, 1880 U.S. census, Hamblen County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 4, enumeration district 73, supervisor's district 1, page 397D, dwelling 163, family 163, 12 June 1880, National Archives micropublication T9, roll 1258. 87. Hamblen County Marriage Books 1-4: 3: 141, Tennessee State Library and Archives, microfilm roll #9. 88. James L. Douthat, Hamblen County Marriage Books 1-5, 94. Citing Hamblen County Marriage Book 5:94. 89. Delores Harrington, Gone But Not Forgotten, 230. 90. Ibid. 91. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, Rutledge post office, district 2, page 413, dwelling 148, family 148. 92. Ibid. 93. Ibid. 94. Ibid. 95. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 102. 96. Ibid. 97. Ibid. 98. Cemeteries of Hamblen County, Vol. III, 103. 99. Ibid. 100. Ibid.

Arlene, Please look over the following information. I would appreciate any additions or corrections. I will print this off and put it in my research notebook in case I get to Rock Port anytime soon. I have resolved to be more organized. I finally got to take a research trip the other day (not exactly <grin>we needed oil so we ran down to St. Joe and the DH dumped me off at the FHC for an hour or so.) The library has Grainger County marriages on indefinite loan. After ordering in a film (which I will probably have to renew and may not in fact EVER get a chance to look at) I put the Grainger County film on the reader and then was rather stumped. I di recall some information I wanted so the time before Bruce returned wasn't totally wasted. <smile> Subject John HOLT (1139) Birth* 18 Dec 1813 probably Grainger County, Tennessee.1,2 Marriage* circa __ ___ 1837 Death* 16 Nov 1903 Hamblen County, Tennessee.3 Burial* __ ___ ____ Macedonia Baptist Cemetery, Hamblen County, Tennessee.4 Father* Mother* Spouse* Anna PRICE (1140)5 Birth* circa __ ___ North Carolina.6,7 1817 Name- circa __ ___ HOLT8 Marr: 1837 Death* 11 May 1880 probably Hamblen County, Tennessee.9 Father* Mother* Thirteen Known Children M James C. HOLT (1143)10,11,12 Birth* 5 Aug 1837 Grainger (now Hamblen) County, Tennessee.13,14,15 Death* 6 Jan 1865 16 Burial* __ ___ ____ Macedonia Baptist Church Cemetery, Hamblen County, Tennessee.17 M George W. HOLT (1158)18,19,20 Birth* 21 Nov 1838 Grainger County, Tennessee.21,22 Death* 12 Mar 1865 23 Burial* __ ___ ____ Macedonia Baptist Church Cemetery, Hamblen County, Tennessee. M John M HOLT (1145)24,25,26 Birth* 29 May 1841 Grainger( now Hamblen) Coutny, Tennessee.27 Marriage* 3 Jan 1866 Martha HELTON (1168) (b. 23 Sep 1844, d. 2 Jan 1922); Grainger County, Tennessee.28 Death* 14 Jul 1912 possibly Atchison County, Missouri.29 Burial* __ ___ ____ Home Cemetery, Tarkio, Atchison County, Missouri.30 M Thomas R. HOLT (1162)31,32,33 Birth* 5 Jul 1842 near Morristown, Grainger County, Tennessee.34,35 Marriage* 24 Nov 1872 Eliza Magdalene RAY (1333) (b. 3 Jun 1849, d. 12 Jun 1923); Hamblen County, Tennessee.36 Death* 30 Nov 1911 Hamblen County, Tennessee.37 Burial* __ ___ ____ Macedonia Baptist Church Cemetery, Hamblen County, Tennessee.38 F Margaret Elizabeth HOLT (1146)39,40,41 Name- NOE42 Marr: Birth* __ ___ 1845 near Morristown, Grainger (now Hamblen) County, Tennessee.43,44 Marriage* 26 Dec 1867 Phelps NOE (1147) (b. circa 1843, )45,46 F Nancy Cornelia HOLT (1161)47,48,49,50 Name- NOE51 Marr: Birth* 17 Jan 1847 Grainger County, Tennessee.52,53 Marriage* 9 Jun 1872 James T. NOE (1306) (b. 7 Feb 1841, d. 6 Apr 1899); Hamblen County, Tennessee.54,55 Death* 21 May 1913 Morristown, Hamblen County, Tennessee.56 Burial* __ ___ ____ Macedonia Baptist Church Cemetery, Hamblen County, Tennessee.57 M William HOLT (1141) Birth* __ ___ 1848 Grainger County (now Hamblen County), Tennessee.58 Marriage* 14 Jul 1875 Catherine NOE (1406) (b. 8 Aug 1852, d. 30 Jul 1915); Hamblen County, Tennessee.59 Death* __ ___ 1938 60 Burial* __ ___ ____ Home Cemetery, Tarkio, Atchison County, Missouri.61 M Joseph N. HOLT (1142)62,63,64 Birth* 17 Jan 1850 near Morristown, Grainger (now Hamblen) County, Tennessee.65,66 Marriage* 22 Sep 1872 Maria E. DALTON (1156) (b. 23 Oct 1854, d. 21 May 1905); Hamblen County, Tennessee.67,68 Death* 8 Mar 1920 69 Burial* __ ___ ____ Home Cemetery, Tarkio, Atchison County, Missouri.70 F Mary Catherine HOLT (10)71,72 Name- __ ___ ____ LONG Marr: Birth* 12 Sep 1851 Grainger (now Hamblen) County, Tennessee.73,74 Marriage* 9 Nov 1877 Joseph Hugh LONG (9) (b. 10 Feb 1840, d. 1 Oct 1920), son of Nicholas LONG (177) and Jane COOTER (178); Morristown, Hamblen County, Tennessee.75 Death* 24 Oct 1931 Hamblen County, Tennessee.76 Burial* __ ___ ____ Macedonia Baptist Church Cemetery, Morristown, Hamblen County, Tennessee.77 M Franklin P. HOLT (1159)78,79,80 Birth* __ ___ 1854 Grainger (present day) Hamblen County, Tennessee.81 F Louisa HOLT (1096)82,83 Name- LONG Marr: Name- WILLIAMS84 Marr: Birth* __ ___ 1855 Grainger County, Tennessee.85,86 Marriage* 22 Aug 1875 George G. LONG (463) (b. 6 Mar 1848, d. 24 Oct 1875), son of Nicholas LONG (177) and Jane COOTER (178); Hamblen County, Tennessee.87 Marriage* 24 Jan 1883 Jonathon Frank WILLIAMS (1407) (b. 18 Sep 1856, d. 7 Apr 1924), son of Joseph T. WILLIAMS (1408) and Sarah (--?--) (1409); Morristown, Hamblen County, Tennessee.88 Death* __ ___ 1931 89 Burial* __ ___ ____ Home Cemetery, Tarkio, Atchison County, Missouri.90 F Louisa HOLT (1160)91,92,93 Birth* __ ___ 1857 Grainger County, Tennessee.94 F daughter HOLT (1144)95,96,97 Birth* 6 Jul 1861 Grainger (now Hamblen) County, Tennessee.98 Death* 17 Oct 1863 Grainger (now Hamblen) County, Tennessee.99 Burial* __ ___ ____ Macedonia Baptist Church Cemetery, Hamblen Coutny, Tennessee.100

I had that Frank was born 20 June 1883. Did he ever live in Mooresburg, TN? I had this but a? after it. Arlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis Grasser" <b.b@cyberback.com> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:50 PM Subject: [TNGRAING-L] verfying Arlene's information > Just thought I would add a point that Arlene said she wasn't sure about. > Frank Spoon born 1883 was a son of Martha and James Spoon. > > Phyllis > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

> No kin to Margia Thacker but she did marry Dave Purkey an ancestor of > mine. She was his 3rd wife.His first was his step grandmother, Mary > (Polly) Helton in 1878 on top of Boatman's Ridge.The marriage made the > local news and was also in McMinn Co. TN news. Oh really!! <smile> don't you love these folks??? This reminds of when the last Union widow died in Grainger County. We were all looking up accounts of the last remeining Confederate widow. She married her deceased husband's grandson. It apparently caused a considerable debate in the local Baptist Church. I was going to tell my DH, but I thought I better not lest he start to sing, "I am my own grampa." <smile> He sings this song often!! <grin>Personally I don't think my Tennessee families are anymore is any more interconnected that anyone else's. My husband's great grandparents were first cousins. Okay actually as he says it "half" first cousins. He is always emailing me Tennessee kin jokes. (We use separate computers.) I think some of these jokes are probably Arkansas kin jokes or Georgia kin jokes or something and he just changes the state. Gail > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Published in 1998 by Virginia Rowland of Haysville, KS. Probably sold out by now. Few years ago didn't have many left. Arlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Smith" <barbara_melissa_smith@yahoo.com> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: Noe Family Book > Does anyone know who has this Noe Family Book? And how > would I be able to purchase one? > > Barbara Smith > > > --- Arlene Watkins <watkins57@ntown.net> wrote: > >> Several Catherine No's from this area. Your >> Catherine who married McDonald >> was d/o Jacob L Noe and Caroline R. Noe. Your >> Catherine was sister to Isaac >> Franklin "Ike" Noe who married first to my great >> aunt Mary Payne and she was >> married first to William Newell. Mary was my >> grandmother Martha Payne >> Purkey's twin sister. >> Arlene Purkey Watkins >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <COL72100@aol.com> >> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 8:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: Noe Family Book >> >> >> > I, too, am interested in the Noe book. My >> Ggrandmother was Catherine Noe >> > married to John McDonald. >> > >> > Thanks >> > Colleen McDonald Mohr >> > Chattanooga, TN >> > >> > researching: McDonald, Noe, Dunn, Ogle, Bohanon >> (an), Taylor, McNabb, >> > Johnson, LuWallen, Morris, Ratcliff, Phillips/ >> Sevier, Bradley, McMinn, >> > Polk, >> > Grainger, Hamblen, TN; Hall County GA; Rockbridge >> County VA >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to >> tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >> To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to >> tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

No kin to Margia Thacker but she did marry Dave Purkey an ancestor of mine. She was his 3rd wife.His first was his step grandmother, Mary (Polly) Helton in 1878 on top of Boatman's Ridge.The marriage made the local news and was also in McMinn Co. TN news. She wasn't as old as the paper stated, only about 5 yrs. older according to 1880 census. Yes, David Collins was charter member of Macedonia. My great grandmother, Nancy Helton Purkey Cooper who married Harbard were charter members. About 1/2 those buried Macedonia were my ancestors or married into Purkey and Noe families. Arlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Roorda" <possum2@softhome.net> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: The two Louisas Holt which is the widow of George Long > Dear Arlene, > "Don't know how long they were there before >> coming back to Atchison Co. How are you related?" > > I started to say that I am NOT related to the Holts, I have been for some > years working on a project on the folks from Moristown who came here to > work for David Rankin. (I am not getting along as fast as I had hoped. I > don't have much time to do research and THERE WERE A LOT MORE OF THE > MORRISTOWN IMMIGRANTS than I thought.) > > However, so far this whole project has so far been an exercise in who the > relatives are or who they are not, as oppposed to who I think the > relatives are or what I have been told. My mother was the youngest child > in her family and has informed me that she "was hiding behind the door > when the information was passed out!" <grin> Her oldest sister knew all > this stuff or "had the information" <smile> That would be my mother > smiling, but sometimes I have to smile too. At nearly 80 while not so > great physically she is still "as sharp as a tack." so I guess we are > blessed. > > Latest conversation with my mother who I am lucky to still have although > she is NOT a valuable genealogical resource. (She is one of the smartest > women I have ever known. Reads countless books, knows all kinds of > history. After we had the following conversation we discussed the divided > loyalties of both her and other Hamblen/Grainger County families during > the CIvil War and she was really interested in my "information" <grin) > > The conversation: > > My mother, "Helen Long died". > > I asked her whether she knew that Helen's husband was her first cousin > once remeoved. > > No, I thought he was _________'s relative. (My mother thinks she is very > amusing. Somethimes I think she is just having me on. I am not sure she > actually thinks my genealogy hobby is actually as weird as she makes > out...it provides a great deal of amusement for her!) > ______was the older half brother of someone who is NOT onc of may mother's > relatives although they once thought they were. The older brother was NOT > descended from the Morristown families, but the younger brother is. > Nevertheless the younger brother and my mother are NOT related > > My mother chose him to be a pallbearer at my Daddy's funeral..after > reflecting on it she decided it would be better to have him be an honorary > pallbearer "because of his back" > > "Great choice" <grin> "I think more of him than I do many of our relatives > (not that I dislike any of the real relatives, but I do like some of the > better than I do some of the others!<grin>) But the two of you are NOT > relatives!" > > This would be another great grandson of George Thomas and Martha O'Dell > Spoons Harbin. (not John M.'s grandson. The one whose posting to you I > found online. I was wondering whether G. T.s other great grandson is still > interested. I woulkd be glad to send my information on to him. However, > I have found that sometimes folks just post an idle message and tend to > lose interest soon.) > > Previous jokes on this line. Me to my mother "If you are related to Joe > it can't be through the Coopers..Thomas Judson Cooper was a music teacher. > Since both you and I are totally devoid of any musical ability whatsoever > I am sure we are NO relation to the Coopers!" > > However, upon reflection can I say that NOBODY is interested in my > research? Maybe I should just print out ALL the information I have on the > family of Stanford and Susan ??? (need to find out Susan's maiden name) > Collins, the family of Harbard and Phoroba Brewer Cooper, the family of > George Thomas and Martha O'Dell Spoons Harbin etc. Next time my mother's > "non-relative" <smile> stops by to see her she could pass the > "information" to him. Actually a couple of summers ago when encountering > some of us in the Hy-Vee parking lot he infromed us that he had just > returned from a family reunion..which family I don't know...maybe he WOULD > be interested. > > Continuing with latest converstian with my mother. Did you know that > Minnie Liza Long Thacker was Grandpa's cousin. No, but she remembers > Minnie well. Maybe I should just sit down with a pad of paper and > "collect" her memories of the Morristown folks rather than constantly > questioning her about her relationship to them. > > BY THE WAY > Arlene aren't you descended from Margie Thacker (sorry I have forgottten > whick of the Purkey's Margie married).I checked my obituaries and so far > the only Thacker obituary I have is Katie Belle Inman's. I ran across it > in the library clippings file while looking for something else and quickly > got a photocopy. <grin> I rarely get to the library, but I find a lot of > information while looking for something else. <smile> > > I ran across David Collins obit when I was trying to amswer a cousin's > questions about my Dad's side of the family (all Irish famine immigrants) > > David's is actually a pretty good one..In addition to the survivors > etc..it identifies him as "the last surviuving charter member of the > Macedonia Baptist Curch." > > I have thought of extracting some of the obituaries I have which might be > of general interest..and sending them onto the Hamblen County Genealogical > Society (if I ever get the time).. I also need to renew my membership in > this society. I can't afford to belong to every genealogical society. > Anyway over the last two years I have let my membership in both this > society and my genealogy society in St. Joe lapse (I have belong to NWMGS > for years. I am hoping to get back to doing some research sometime! > > Gail >> > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

Dear Arlene, "Don't know how long they were there before > coming back to Atchison Co. How are you related?" I started to say that I am NOT related to the Holts, I have been for some years working on a project on the folks from Moristown who came here to work for David Rankin. (I am not getting along as fast as I had hoped. I don't have much time to do research and THERE WERE A LOT MORE OF THE MORRISTOWN IMMIGRANTS than I thought.) However, so far this whole project has so far been an exercise in who the relatives are or who they are not, as oppposed to who I think the relatives are or what I have been told. My mother was the youngest child in her family and has informed me that she "was hiding behind the door when the information was passed out!" <grin> Her oldest sister knew all this stuff or "had the information" <smile> That would be my mother smiling, but sometimes I have to smile too. At nearly 80 while not so great physically she is still "as sharp as a tack." so I guess we are blessed. Latest conversation with my mother who I am lucky to still have although she is NOT a valuable genealogical resource. (She is one of the smartest women I have ever known. Reads countless books, knows all kinds of history. After we had the following conversation we discussed the divided loyalties of both her and other Hamblen/Grainger County families during the CIvil War and she was really interested in my "information" <grin) The conversation: My mother, "Helen Long died". I asked her whether she knew that Helen's husband was her first cousin once remeoved. No, I thought he was _________'s relative. (My mother thinks she is very amusing. Somethimes I think she is just having me on. I am not sure she actually thinks my genealogy hobby is actually as weird as she makes out...it provides a great deal of amusement for her!) ______was the older half brother of someone who is NOT onc of may mother's relatives although they once thought they were. The older brother was NOT descended from the Morristown families, but the younger brother is. Nevertheless the younger brother and my mother are NOT related My mother chose him to be a pallbearer at my Daddy's funeral..after reflecting on it she decided it would be better to have him be an honorary pallbearer "because of his back" "Great choice" <grin> "I think more of him than I do many of our relatives (not that I dislike any of the real relatives, but I do like some of the better than I do some of the others!<grin>) But the two of you are NOT relatives!" This would be another great grandson of George Thomas and Martha O'Dell Spoons Harbin. (not John M.'s grandson. The one whose posting to you I found online. I was wondering whether G. T.s other great grandson is still interested. I woulkd be glad to send my information on to him. However, I have found that sometimes folks just post an idle message and tend to lose interest soon.) Previous jokes on this line. Me to my mother "If you are related to Joe it can't be through the Coopers..Thomas Judson Cooper was a music teacher. Since both you and I are totally devoid of any musical ability whatsoever I am sure we are NO relation to the Coopers!" However, upon reflection can I say that NOBODY is interested in my research? Maybe I should just print out ALL the information I have on the family of Stanford and Susan ??? (need to find out Susan's maiden name) Collins, the family of Harbard and Phoroba Brewer Cooper, the family of George Thomas and Martha O'Dell Spoons Harbin etc. Next time my mother's "non-relative" <smile> stops by to see her she could pass the "information" to him. Actually a couple of summers ago when encountering some of us in the Hy-Vee parking lot he infromed us that he had just returned from a family reunion..which family I don't know...maybe he WOULD be interested. Continuing with latest converstian with my mother. Did you know that Minnie Liza Long Thacker was Grandpa's cousin. No, but she remembers Minnie well. Maybe I should just sit down with a pad of paper and "collect" her memories of the Morristown folks rather than constantly questioning her about her relationship to them. BY THE WAY Arlene aren't you descended from Margie Thacker (sorry I have forgottten whick of the Purkey's Margie married).I checked my obituaries and so far the only Thacker obituary I have is Katie Belle Inman's. I ran across it in the library clippings file while looking for something else and quickly got a photocopy. <grin> I rarely get to the library, but I find a lot of information while looking for something else. <smile> I ran across David Collins obit when I was trying to amswer a cousin's questions about my Dad's side of the family (all Irish famine immigrants) David's is actually a pretty good one..In addition to the survivors etc..it identifies him as "the last surviuving charter member of the Macedonia Baptist Curch." I have thought of extracting some of the obituaries I have which might be of general interest..and sending them onto the Hamblen County Genealogical Society (if I ever get the time).. I also need to renew my membership in this society. I can't afford to belong to every genealogical society. Anyway over the last two years I have let my membership in both this society and my genealogy society in St. Joe lapse (I have belong to NWMGS for years. I am hoping to get back to doing some research sometime! Gail >

Does anyone know who has this Noe Family Book? And how would I be able to purchase one? Barbara Smith --- Arlene Watkins <watkins57@ntown.net> wrote: > Several Catherine No's from this area. Your > Catherine who married McDonald > was d/o Jacob L Noe and Caroline R. Noe. Your > Catherine was sister to Isaac > Franklin "Ike" Noe who married first to my great > aunt Mary Payne and she was > married first to William Newell. Mary was my > grandmother Martha Payne > Purkey's twin sister. > Arlene Purkey Watkins > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <COL72100@aol.com> > To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 8:38 AM > Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: Noe Family Book > > > > I, too, am interested in the Noe book. My > Ggrandmother was Catherine Noe > > married to John McDonald. > > > > Thanks > > Colleen McDonald Mohr > > Chattanooga, TN > > > > researching: McDonald, Noe, Dunn, Ogle, Bohanon > (an), Taylor, McNabb, > > Johnson, LuWallen, Morris, Ratcliff, Phillips/ > Sevier, Bradley, McMinn, > > Polk, > > Grainger, Hamblen, TN; Hall County GA; Rockbridge > County VA > > > > > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to > tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to > tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

George Thomas (Tom) Harbin is buried Macedonia beside his second wife, Minnie Gregg whowas 20 yrs. younger than he. Martha and James Spoon had a son, Joseph Ray Spoon married Eva Irene Helton. He was a fireman for St. Louis-Iron Mt. RR in Little Rock. in 1904 when his other died. William Spoon died 1902 in St. Louis and buried Macedonia in umarked grave. Not sure if Frank Spoon born 1883 was her son or not. I found their deaths in the Atchison Co.cemetery book. I thought all along that Martha and John Holt were buried at Macedonia. They do have at least 2 little girls buried at Macedonia and 2 other infants. Died before they went West. Emma born 1871 died 1894 They lived in Villisca, Iowa when the picture was made of them. John Holt with his brothers, Frank and Bill went to Tarkio, early 1890's to work on the Rankin Ranch. Frank & Bill went on to Cripple Creek, Co in search for gold. Frank never came back so John took Frank's kids (George) to Page and MOntgomery Co., IA. Don't know how long they were there before coming back to Atchison Co. How are you related? Arlene Purkey Talbott, TN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Roorda" <possum2@softhome.net> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: The two Louisas Holt which is the widow of George Long > Dear Arlene, > > Are you on this list? I have never seen one of your postings on the list > and I didn't know you were a list subscriber. However, I keep > encountering your posts on the internet and I have been meaning to write > you for over a year. We seem to have many interests in common. > > Sometimes I get a little discouraged about with my "Morristown" folks > project. Nobody seems all that interested even their descendents. Also I > am afraid I will never fiinish this project in my liftetime <grin> so I go > online in hopes of finding someone to share with who is actually > interested. I think I once ran across one of your postings to one of John > M. Harbin's grandsons. I had been looking all over tryiong to figure out > where George Thomas was. I fugured in Macedonia since Martha O'Dell > Spoons Harbin is there etc., but one can never be sure. I was also > wondering what happened to Martha's sons by her first marriage. You seem > to know everything! > > No, I do not have John M. Holt's obit yet, BUT the Holts are next on my > "to to do" list. If you are interested I will get John M and Martha > first. At first I had all the Holts lined up. First the ones with exact > DODs. However, if you think about it that leaves all the work until the > last. I keep arranging and rearranging the Holts. I have spent countless > hours peering at microfilm looking for obituaries of people who have only > year dates on their stones. Anyway since you are interested I wil start > with Martha and John M. Actually Martha and John M. have exact DODs so > finding these shoudn't take too long. I am rather somed under right now, > but as soon as I get caught up, I will take a research day. It has been a > long time since I had one of these. I will leave the DH something in the > slow cooker and arrive first thing in the morning...that way I can be sure > to get the reader/printer!! > > Gail > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arlene Watkins" <watkins57@ntown.net> > To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 22:34 > Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: The two Louisas Holt which is the widow of > George Long > > >> Gail, >> Have been reading your info about Holts & Williams. Jonathan and John >> Williams are in my Purkey Lineage. J. Frank Williams first married >> Maggie Payne (an ancestor).She died 2/11/1882 Hamblen Co., TN and buried >> Macedonia. Then married Louisa Long 2/16/1883 in Hamblen Co. Jonathan >> and John F. were grandsons of Jonathan L. and Mary (Polly) Purkepile >> Grainger Co., now Hamblen. I, too have the Atchison Co. Cemetery book >> and found lots of my ancestors buried there. John M. Holt buried there >> married my gg aunt Martha Helton, Grainger Co. Do you have an obituary >> for either John or Martha? I have a good picture of them that I found in >> my parents lard can a few years ago. I have it displayed on a book shelf. >> Are you related to any of these who are related to me? If so maybe we >> can exchange info. >> Arlene Purkey Watkins >> Talbott, Jefferson Co., TN >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gail Roorda" <possum2@softhome.net> >> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: The two Louisas Holt which is the widow of >> George Long >> >> >>> Development of a clever research strategy to solve the two Louisa'[s: >>> >>> <grin> Didn't someone on this list once say that they did their best >>> genealogical thinking in the middle of the night?? I woke up one night >>> acouple of months ago thinking drowsily that when we got caught up, I >>> should go to the county library and find Willian, Joseph N., John M. , >>> Maria Dalton, and Catherine Noe Holt's obituaries. These obituaries >>> might help staighten out the two Louisas. Also if the lady who first >>> introduced me to this interesting hobby asked how I was coming along >>> with my "Morristown to Atchison County" project I could tell her I was >>> "working on" the Holts. oops I think I told her I was researching the >>> Holts a couple of years ago. >>> >>> More drowsy thinking "Hmm let's ..see John T. Williams was from >>> Morristown. Sneaking a peek at the DH who had suggested that we need our >>> sleep and that getting up in the middle of the night to do genealogical >>> research was NOT a good idea. Padding softly down to the farm office I >>> seized the Atchison County, Missouri cemetery book and looked at the >>> Home cemetery entries for Williams. hmmmm here we have Louise Williams >>> b. 1855 d. 1931 >>> >>> And above that John T. b. September 18, 1856 Morristown, TN d. September >>> 29, 1927. >>> >>> And above John T >>> >>> J. F. b. Septmber 18, 1956-d. Apr. 7, 1924 >>> >>> At first I thought that this was something like my records showing that >>> Joseph William and John Henry Long were twins though from the census >>> this isn't so. This is a terrific book, but there are errors in the >>> book. Partly because it includes people who don't have stones. hhmm >>> However, here we have two +s...(those who don't have stones are marked >>> with -s <smile) >>> >>> Resolving to chck this out soon I went back to bed. By 3 a.m. I was >>> sneaking back down to the computer. I am always griping that the online >>> world might be going to "ruin" research OTOH <grin> most libraries >>> aren't open all night. >>> >>> Logging onto Ancestry I searched for Jonathon Williams aged 3 on the >>> 1860 Grainger County, Tennessee census. In the housedhold of Josph and >>> Sarah Williams...John 3, Johnathon 3 (twins). (I swear that I am NOT >>> making this up! If you all doubt this, you can check the census for >>> yourself <grin>) >>> >>> Then at 4:30 in the morning checking out the 1920 Atchison County >>> census, "J.F. Williams born Tennessee, Louise Williams born Tennessee, >>> Gracie Williams. ..well you get the picture. >>> >>> The next day must have been Tuesday or Thursday when the Atchison County >>> Library has evening hours. Peering down at the DH through the floor of >>> the grain truck, I informed him that I had figured out a way to "resolve >>> the two Louisas and asked if he minded if I took off for the Atchison >>> County Library about 6:00. His reaction was NOT favorable!!! >>> >>> BBFN >>> >>> Gail >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to >>> tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >> To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to >> tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com >> >> > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

to whom it may concern may be with his new info i've u can find more out about my family tree thank u grandfather John Issac Smith was born abt 1889 he married Ida Sellers (her maiden name)she was born about 1886 she became a widow according to the 1930 census. They had 4 children Helen N Smith born in 1914 married Jack Perry children 3 Helen living in Knoxville Tn Lonas Lester Smith born January 31 1919 married 1st time Dorthy In Knoxville, Tn had 2 children John Lester Smith/Wanda Faye Smith ( decease) 2nd marriage Bobbie O'Mary maybe spell O'Mara ( maiden name) they marry twice once in Dec 1957 had 3 children Teresa Debra Carl (deceased) Lonas passed January 28 1989 Bertha Vada Smith born abt 1916 married Harold Patterson had several children To my knowledge Vada pass away between 1989 and now in Grainger County Tenn (Rutledge) JV Smith was the youngest one born all i know him bye is JV only seen him a few times when i was small Also they lived in district three in Grainger County Church. My half sister Wanda Smith was buried at Richland Cementry In Grainger County. My father's funeral was at Smith's funeral home Rutlege Tennessee

Several Catherine No's from this area. Your Catherine who married McDonald was d/o Jacob L Noe and Caroline R. Noe. Your Catherine was sister to Isaac Franklin "Ike" Noe who married first to my great aunt Mary Payne and she was married first to William Newell. Mary was my grandmother Martha Payne Purkey's twin sister. Arlene Purkey Watkins ----- Original Message ----- From: <COL72100@aol.com> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: Noe Family Book > I, too, am interested in the Noe book. My Ggrandmother was Catherine Noe > married to John McDonald. > > Thanks > Colleen McDonald Mohr > Chattanooga, TN > > researching: McDonald, Noe, Dunn, Ogle, Bohanon (an), Taylor, McNabb, > Johnson, LuWallen, Morris, Ratcliff, Phillips/ Sevier, Bradley, McMinn, > Polk, > Grainger, Hamblen, TN; Hall County GA; Rockbridge County VA > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

Just thought I would add a point that Arlene said she wasn't sure about. Frank Spoon born 1883 was a son of Martha and James Spoon. Phyllis

My Catherine was not married before. Your Catherine, who married Hilyard Bird, was another Noe. Arlene Watkins ----- Original Message ----- From: <COL72100@aol.com> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: Noe Family Book > > In a message dated 1/16/2006 8:42:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > CindaByrdDeaton@aol.com writes: > > Hilliard Bird was very young when he died of Pneumonia, was your > Catharine > married before? > Cinda > > > > Cinda, > > I don't believe so. Katie (Catherine) was just 20. However, her parents, > Jacob and Caroline, were not happy that she was marrying a man that was > divorced (I can't find any information about this divorce). Ggrandpa > McDonald was > 23 years her senior and a veteran of the civil war. Katie wasn't even > born > until after the war, 1866. Katie was a twin. Here sister's name was > Sarah. > There were seven other children in this family. I thought I would add > that in > case it matches someone's family out there. > > Colleen McDonald Mohr > Chattanooga, TN > > researching: McDonald, Noe, Dunn, Ogle, Bohanon (an), Taylor, McNabb, > Johnson, LuWallen, Morris, Ratcliff, Phillips/ Sevier, Bradley, McMinn, > Polk, > Grainger, Hamblen, TN; Hall County GA; Rockbridge County VA > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

This book "Peter Noe and his Noe/ Noey/Noah Descendants by Virginia Rowland of Haysville, KS. Printed in 1998.Probably don't have any left. 201 Sunset, Haysville, KS 316-524-6846vrowland@wichita.infi.net Your Catherine Noe who0 married Hilyard Bird is another Catherine Noe. She was d/o Jacob F. Noe & MArgaret Tate. There were several more Catherine Noe's. Arlene Watkins ----- Original Message ----- From: <CindaByrdDeaton@aol.com> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Re: The two Louisas Holt which is the widow of George Long > What is the name of the Noe Book? I have a Catharine Noe m. Hilliard > Bird. > He was my GGUncle. > Cinda > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

Thanks, my Catharine would have been born around 1813 or so. Cinda

In a message dated 1/16/2006 8:42:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, CindaByrdDeaton@aol.com writes: Hilliard Bird was very young when he died of Pneumonia, was your Catharine married before? Cinda Cinda, I don't believe so. Katie (Catherine) was just 20. However, her parents, Jacob and Caroline, were not happy that she was marrying a man that was divorced (I can't find any information about this divorce). Ggrandpa McDonald was 23 years her senior and a veteran of the civil war. Katie wasn't even born until after the war, 1866. Katie was a twin. Here sister's name was Sarah. There were seven other children in this family. I thought I would add that in case it matches someone's family out there. Colleen McDonald Mohr Chattanooga, TN researching: McDonald, Noe, Dunn, Ogle, Bohanon (an), Taylor, McNabb, Johnson, LuWallen, Morris, Ratcliff, Phillips/ Sevier, Bradley, McMinn, Polk, Grainger, Hamblen, TN; Hall County GA; Rockbridge County VA

Hilliard Bird was very young when he died of Pneumonia, was your Catharine married before? Cinda

I, too, am interested in the Noe book. My Ggrandmother was Catherine Noe married to John McDonald. Thanks Colleen McDonald Mohr Chattanooga, TN researching: McDonald, Noe, Dunn, Ogle, Bohanon (an), Taylor, McNabb, Johnson, LuWallen, Morris, Ratcliff, Phillips/ Sevier, Bradley, McMinn, Polk, Grainger, Hamblen, TN; Hall County GA; Rockbridge County VA