Bill, Thanks for the details. Isaac Soard's second wife was Lula D. Bible and her line was connected to John Bible Fry who may be the one Isaac sold the land to in early 1900's. I believe I read the Cave was purchased by the government and was used for munitions storage during the war.....or something like that! Richard At 02:01 AM 2/27/2006, you wrote: >Richard: I grew up south of Morristown, TN at Lowland. >I remember a cave called Fry's Cave between Lowland and Morristown, >near Fry's school. I was in the cave at least once. But that >was about 60 years ago or more. -- Bill Waller > >Richard H. Soard wrote: > > > > Gail, > > > > Isaac Soard's property in Hamblen included a Cave known as Soard's > > Cave. The property was also owned by the Fry family and I suspect Fry's > > school must be nearby. The name of the Cave changed to Fry's Cave. > > > > Thank you again for your help and information. > > > > Richard Soard > > >==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com Richard H. Soard rsoard@mindspring.com 770.971.7398 678.386.2528 cell

Mary Ann Senter's death records say Mahala Jane's maiden name was Daniel. Mahala Jane was "bound out" and raised by one of the Daniels, Edward , Jr. I think??? Gail

Information from my files on the Ned Mayes and Mahala Jane "Jenny" Jones Mayes family. Thank you Carolyn, for your further information on Sarah and Joseph Long. I only had year dates and no burial information. Thanks too for the information on Joseph's parents. GaIL Family Group Sheet Subject Edward "Ned" MAYES (283)1 Birth* circa __ ___ Grainger County, Tennessee.2,3 1812 Marriage* 7 Sep 1831 Grainger County, Tennessee.4 Death* __ ___ 1863 Grainger County, Tennessee.5 Burial* __ ___ ____ Smallman (Mayes) Private Burial Ground, Hamblen County, Tennessee.6 Father* Dudley MAYES (99) (b. 1786, d. Sep 1844) Mother* Elizabeth "Betsey"DANIEL (100) (b. 1778, d. after 1850) Spouse* Mahala Jane JONES (338)5 Name- __ ___ ____ MAYES5 Marr: Birth* circa __ ___ Tennessee.2,7,3 1810 Death* __ ___ 1888 Hamblen County, Tennessee. Burial* __ ___ ____ Smallman Private Burial Ground, Hamblen County, Tennessee.The old Mayes burial ground designated by the TVA as Smallman Private is now under Cherokee Lake8 Father* Mother* Ten Known Children M William H. MAYES (377)9,9,9 Birth* 8 Jan 1832 Grainger County, Tennessee.9 Marriage* 25 Sep 1851 Louisa JOICE (428) (b. 22 Apr 1833, d. 14 Apr 1894); Grainger County, Tennessee.10 Death* 23 Oct 1900 Goshen, Washington County, Tennessee.9 Burial* __ ___ ____ Son's Chapel, Fayette, Washington County, Arkansas. F Scytha Caroline MAYES (375)2,2,2,11 Name- __ ___ ____ SLOAN12 Marr: Birth* 10 Nov 1836 Grainger County, Tennessee.2 Marriage* 10 Mar 1855 John P. SLOAN (376) (b. 1825, ); Grainger County, Tennessee.12,11 Death* 27 Sep 1912 West Plains, Howell County, Missouri.5,13 M Marmaduke MAYES (420)2,2,2 Birth* circa __ ___ Grainger County, Tennessee.2 1839 Death* circa __ ___ Pt. Lookout Prison, St. Mary's 1865 County, Maryland.13 Burial* __ ___ ____ Point Lookout Prison Cemetery, St. Mary's County, Maryland. F Henryetta MAYES (422)2,2,2 Birth* __ ___ 1840 Grainger County, Tennessee.2 Marriage* 10 Oct 1860 Wiliam E. MAYES (598) (b. circa 1839, d. circa 1863), son of James MAYES (189) and Louisa GRAY (190); Grainger County, Tennessee.10 Name- __ ___ ____ KING13 Marr: Marriage* __ ___ ____ James KING (599)13 Death* __ ___ ____ Talequeah, Cherokee County, Oklahoma.13 F Nancy Jane MAYES (423)2,2,2 Birth* 10 Jun 1842 Grainger County, Tennessee.2 Name- 22 Mar 1857 LIVINGSTONE14 Marr: Marriage* 22 Mar 1857 Alfred LIVINGSTONE (604); Grainger County, Tennessee.14,15 Name- __ ___ ____ SMITH13 Marr: Marriage* 22 Oct 1869 Eli SMITH (600); Grainger County, Tennessee.13,16 Death* after __ ___ Wyandotte, Ottawa County, 1906 Missouri.13 F Emmeline Tressa MAYES (421)2,2,2 Birth* 9 Mar 1844 Grainger County, Tennessee.2 Name- 29 Oct 1865 SMITH17,18 Marr: Marriage* 29 Oct 1865 William SMITH (605) (b. 1845, ); Grainger County, Tennessee.17,18 Death* 5 Sep 1933 Pryor Creek, Mayes County, Oklahoma.13 F Mary Ann MAYES (425)2,5,2,2,5 Birth* 3 Nov 1846 Grainger County, Tennessee.2,19 Name- 14 Jul 1864 SENTER14 Marr: Marriage* 14 Jul 1864 William T. SENTER Jr. (608) (b. 12 Apr 1847, d. 28 Dec 1927); Grainger County, Tennessee.14 Death* 27 Nov 1922 Hamblen County, Tennessee.20 Burial* __ ___ ____ Panther Springs Cemetery, Hamblen County, Tennessee.20 F Sarah Elizabeth MAYES (424)2,2,2 Birth* 4 Dec 1848 Grainger County, Tennessee.2,21 Name- 31 Dec 1865 LONG22,23 Marr: Marriage* 31 Dec 1865 Joseph LONG (601) (b. 9 Mar 1846, d. 31 Aug 1922); Grainger County, Tennessee.22,23 Death* 21 Apr 1924 West Plains, Howell County, Missouri.13,21 Burial* __ ___ ____ Fowler Cemetery, Howell County, Missouri.21 M James Perry MAYES (426)5,5,5 Birth* 2 Oct 1850 Grainger County, Tennessee.5,24 Marriage* 26 Mar 1871 Mary Louvenia LONG (464) (b. 22 Jul 1854, d. 22 Oct 1927), daughter of Nicholas LONG (177) and Jane COOTER (178); Hamblen County, Tennessee.25 Death* 24 Sep 1894 Washington County, Arkansas.24 Burial* __ ___ ____ Goshen Cemetery, Goshen, Washington County, Arkansas.24 F Rebecca Frances MAYES (427)5,5,5 Birth* 22 Aug 1853 Grainger County, Tennessee.5 Name- circa __ ___ SMALLMAN26,27 Marr: 1870 Marriage* circa __ ___ William Thomas SMALLMAN (492) (b. 1870 27 Dec 1844, d. 8 Feb 1920), son of David T. SMALLMAN (525) and Elizabeth (--?--) (526)26,27 Death* 7 Nov 1927 Hamblen County, Tennessee.28,27 Burial* __ ___ ____ Smallman Private Burial Ground, Hamblen County, Tennessee.8 Reinterred: 29 May 1941 Martha Sunderland Cemetery, Morristown, Hamblen County, Tennessee.29,27,8

Thank you. I too have it that Joseph and Sarah Mayes died in Howell County, Missouri. I have never checked this out personally, however, the information I have is from a Mayes researcher that I do trust. As I said Sarah was the daughter of Ned and Mahala Jane Jones Mayes. When Mahala James died in Hamblen County the only child she mentioned in her will was was Scytha Caroline Mayes Sloan. I have transcribed this document and posted it to the Mayes Public Domain website, Selena Mayes DuLac, webmistress. However, earlier documents exist in connection with Ned Mayes estate settlement, petitions to divide up the land etc. in which all the children were mentioned etc. Larry Hodge went to the courthouse or the schoolhouse and transcribed some of these documents and posted them to the Mayes message board at GenForum. This was only a few years back so hopefully these documents are still extant. Edward "Ned" Mayes was the son of my third great grandmother Jane Mayes Ivy's brother Dudley. One of Ned and Mahala Mayes daughters, Henryetta, married my great grandmother Delila Alice Mayes Roberts brother oldest brother William in 1860 in Grainger County (if this is giving you a really big headache I am twice descended from interesting Mayes family<smile>. Ned Mayes died in 1863 in Grainger County. I do not have the exact date. Ned Mayes and Mahala Jane Jones Mayes were buried in the old Mayes family cemetery which is now under Cherokee Lake as are Ned and Mahala. They were designated "to remain". Ned and Mahala had stones, but it is believed that other Mayes were buried there including my 4th great grandparents Sherrod and Elizabeth Smith Mayes. According to documents connected to Ned's estate William Mayes was "deceased" by 1863. I have NEVER been able to find out what happened to William Mayes. I think he might have been killed in the Civil War. However, young people did just die...Henryetta married a man named again, a man named James King and died in Teliquah?? Oklahoma. However, I think that my great great grandparents James and Louisa Gray Mayes raised Thompsey Ella. She is listed in their household in the 1870 census and married Robert Hill..well I am just going on and on....I could go on about these families connections forever and ever. However, as a contradiction to my family all going courting together..It would have been Ned and Mahala's youngest son James Perry Mayes who married Nick and Jane Long's Mary Louvenia. The infromation I had from the Mayes researcher was that James Perry and Mary :Louvenia were died in Washington County, Arkansas. I found them in Goshen Cemetery (online! Every now I get really grouchy and think the internet is going to "spoil" genealogy. Then I think how long it would have taken to find out all I have learned through posting queries in genealogical publications, wiriting snailmail letters, etc. I am quite certain I would not be as far along in my researches as i am now.) I also found Mary Louvenia listed in the Arkansas death index at Ancestry so I have a certificate number. I have never ordered an Arkansas death certificate, but there are instructions online. <grin> Anyway thank for your information on Sarah Mayes's, Joseph. I did know that folks from Grainger County went to Howell County. Scytha Caroline Mayes Sloan, Sarahs's sister also moved to Howell County, Missouri and died there in 1912. I thought Joseph might be descended from your Reuben, but I wasn't sure. Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: <CARR2009@aol.com> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 21:43 Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Mary Boatman, Nancy Long, Emily Long, Nancy Ivy > Gail: > > I think I can clear up the Joseph Long mystery for you. Joseph Long was > born 9 March 1846 in Tennessee (I do not know if it was Grainger or > Hawkins > County, as they lived in both areas). He was, I feel sure, the son of > Mary Ann > Proffitt and Parteman/Piteman (Porter) Long. And Porter Long was the > son of > Reuben Long. Mary Ann Proffitt was the daughter of David Proffit and > Mary > Bright, according to the Proffitt researchers I shared information with. > > Joseph died 31 August 1922 in Howell County, Missouri and is buried in the > Fowler Cemetery. Sarah E. Mayes was born 4 December 1848 in Tennessee and > died 21 April 1924 in Howell County, Missiouri and is also buried in the > Fowler > Cemetery. I do not know who her parents were. However, I have never > ordered > their death certificates, and maybe I should. Many of their children > (they > had 8) are also buried in the Fowler Cemetery. Their children were > Mahala > Henrietta Long, William T. Long, Allen P. Long, Owen F. Long, Elnora > Tennessee > Long, James E. Long, Dickson D. Long and Luvenia Elizabeth Long. > > This gets confusing. I will refer to Parteman/Piteman as Porter which is > the name he mostly used. It was a case of brother and sister marrying > brother > and sister. Porter married Mary Ann Profitt and her brother Gabriel > married > Porter's sister, Catherine Long. Gabriel and Catherine lived in > Knoxville. > > My GGG Grandfather, Lawson Long married Mary (Polly) Shropshire, and her > brother David Shropshire married Lawson's sister, Sally Long. It > sometimes > makes you feel like you are "your own grandmother", doesn't it? Lawson > and > Sally also were children of Reuben Long. > > Then, to make things more confusing, Mary Ann Proffitt and Porter Long's > daughter, Mary Elizabeth Long married Noah McGoldrick, son of James > Robert > McGoldrick and Lavinia Jarnagin. James Robert and Lavinia were my GG > Grandparents. So I descend from both the Longs and the McGoldricks. > > Noah McGoldrick and most of his siblings left Grainger County around 1878 > and migrated to Howell County, Missouri. According to history in Howell > County, many East Tennessee families settled in this area of Missouri. > They came by > Wagon Trains. I have visited there several times, meeting my McGoldrick > relatives and visiting the cemeteries, taking pictures of tombstones, > etc. > > If you need further info on this family, let me know. > > Carolyn > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

Gail: I think I can clear up the Joseph Long mystery for you. Joseph Long was born 9 March 1846 in Tennessee (I do not know if it was Grainger or Hawkins County, as they lived in both areas). He was, I feel sure, the son of Mary Ann Proffitt and Parteman/Piteman (Porter) Long. And Porter Long was the son of Reuben Long. Mary Ann Proffitt was the daughter of David Proffit and Mary Bright, according to the Proffitt researchers I shared information with. Joseph died 31 August 1922 in Howell County, Missouri and is buried in the Fowler Cemetery. Sarah E. Mayes was born 4 December 1848 in Tennessee and died 21 April 1924 in Howell County, Missiouri and is also buried in the Fowler Cemetery. I do not know who her parents were. However, I have never ordered their death certificates, and maybe I should. Many of their children (they had 8) are also buried in the Fowler Cemetery. Their children were Mahala Henrietta Long, William T. Long, Allen P. Long, Owen F. Long, Elnora Tennessee Long, James E. Long, Dickson D. Long and Luvenia Elizabeth Long. This gets confusing. I will refer to Parteman/Piteman as Porter which is the name he mostly used. It was a case of brother and sister marrying brother and sister. Porter married Mary Ann Profitt and her brother Gabriel married Porter's sister, Catherine Long. Gabriel and Catherine lived in Knoxville. My GGG Grandfather, Lawson Long married Mary (Polly) Shropshire, and her brother David Shropshire married Lawson's sister, Sally Long. It sometimes makes you feel like you are "your own grandmother", doesn't it? Lawson and Sally also were children of Reuben Long. Then, to make things more confusing, Mary Ann Proffitt and Porter Long's daughter, Mary Elizabeth Long married Noah McGoldrick, son of James Robert McGoldrick and Lavinia Jarnagin. James Robert and Lavinia were my GG Grandparents. So I descend from both the Longs and the McGoldricks. Noah McGoldrick and most of his siblings left Grainger County around 1878 and migrated to Howell County, Missouri. According to history in Howell County, many East Tennessee families settled in this area of Missouri. They came by Wagon Trains. I have visited there several times, meeting my McGoldrick relatives and visiting the cemeteries, taking pictures of tombstones, etc. If you need further info on this family, let me know. Carolyn

Dear Carolyn, > In checking marriages for Nancy Long I came across a marriage for Nancy > Cooter to Robert Long on 17 February 1839 in Jefferson County. Marriage > sanctioned by John Ward, JP. Do you know this couple and are they > connected to your > Nicholas Long who married Jane Cooter I am familiar with this couple, but I am not sure if Robert Long IS Nicholas's brother. I am going to get in touch with Jefferson County Archiives to see what Long estate records are available. Nancy would be Abraham and Sarah Cooter's daughter. <smile> there wouldn't be any other possibilities. <grin> in general my family all went courting together. My husband makes jokes about my family history, but I just tell him that, I know a lot of people in these modern times who are double cousins and people got around less back then. Or alternatively <grin> they had ONLY one horse so they all went "courting" together Or they had perhaps they had NO horse so everyone intermarried with the family next door. Or from a similar "card" on this list whoever you were take a bow, "Just didn't want to get on the horse and ride over the mountain." <grin> Nevertheless in just getting my information in order to send on to you. I reflected on some things. The Joseph Long who married Sarah A. Mayes daughter of Mahala and Edward was not Mary LouVenia Mayes (wife of James Perry's) brother. I am getting ready to order Venia Mayes death certificate just to make absolutely sure,(I try to avoid ordering ten dollar death certificates if at all possible, but the Mayes are the Longs are just too convoluted to leave absolutely ANYTHING to chance) but the ONLY possibilility from the census for Mary LouVenia's ancestry is that I she is the daughter of Nick Long. I have <grin> long known who the other Joseph Hugh Long was. His daughter Rufus P. Ivy's "Cousin Carrie" died out here September 6, 1972 and is buried in Home Cemetery. I remember her very clearly. BEFORE anyone asks I do not know who Sarah Mayes (Ned and Jennie Jones Mayes daughter, there were lots of Sarah Mayes) Joseph was <smile> There is a Joseph Long age 15 in the house of Mary Long (widow) age 45 on the 1860 Grainger County census who is the right age. . Also as I told Regan there is NO information in my files that actually SAYS that the Edward Mayes who married Nancy Greenlee was Easter and Liggen's son. He could be..I have run across messages that SAY he is, but maybe this is just an assumption based on the fact that Liggen and Easter's daughters Mary and Phebe married Nancy Greenlee's brothers. Nevertheless I do believe that there is a pretty good possibility tha the Robert Long who married Nancy Cooter is Nick's brother. Gail

Gail: In checking marriages for Nancy Long I came across a marriage for Nancy Cooter to Robert Long on 17 February 1839 in Jefferson County. Marriage sanctioned by John Ward, JP. Do you know this couple and are they connected to your Nicholas Long who married Jane Cooter? I could find no Nancy marrying a Long in Grainger or Hawkins that was of a year that would make it feasible to be the Nancy Long in question. There were two other marriages listed in Jefferson for Nancy's to marry Longs: Nancy White to Nicholas Long, bond dated 27 March 1813. Bondsman was John Collins - but there was no return listed. However, the date of 1813 would not be feasible since the Nancy in question was born about 1814 in Tennessee. Nancy Jones to Nicholas William Long, 3 March 1846. Bondsman was Ephrain Long and the marriage was sanctioned by A. P. Gass, JP. This marriage would be too late to be the Nancy Long listed with a daughter Emily, age 11, listed in the 1850 census.

I don't have anything other than family stories that Dorothy Long was born in KY.. I know Thomas Bird was born in Grainger County, as was his sister Mary Ann. The three older Bird siblings, Redman, Hilliard and Nancy were born in NC, as were their parents, James M. and Cloa. Thank you for the information. I do not believe there was Indian blood on the Longs, because they owned land and their children went to school, which Indians could not do, causing many to deny Indian heritage. Cinda

Dear Carolyn, You are, of course, the expert on the Longs in general that I hoped would respond to my query. An observation on the Longs. They liked the name Joseph. <grin> However, the name Joseph appears not to be a "clue". I do believe that names CAN be clues. I am having a discussion with some other researchers on Ivey-Kin the ONLY other list that I currently belong to re names as clues. I do believe they are, but in running through the names in my database I ran across George Patrick Long son of Abrahm and Susan Emily Long Which made me reflect...<grin> George Patrick is, of course, no relation at all to Isaac Long whose father John Patrick Long was born in Ireland. Now I KNOW that Patrick was an Ivy name. (I began my researches with my paternal ancestors and then took up my maternal ancestors the Hamblen County folks. As I told my husband at least I could take a break from the Patricks and Catherine's well HA!! <smile>). However, although names CAN be clues one really must be really careful not to see a connection that isn't there. Anyway thank you for your analysis of Nancy Long. I am beginning to believe that she is quite likely NOT Baxter Ivy's Nancy although I still think the Nancy Ivy listed in Mary Boatman's household IS Baxter's widow. Granted that the name Ivy is NOT Long, however reflecting on the different branches of the Longs in Grainger County makes me wonder whether Baxter Ivy living so near my Henry on the MIGHT just BE a conincidence! my other 4th great grandfather Sherrod Mayes and other families who came from Henry County, Virginia are living nearby and so maybe these Henry County families just settled in the same area as my Iveys (Ivys) from Orange County, North Carolina and there is no connection beteen these Ivys or it is far back. Thank you again, Carolyn Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: <CARR2009@aol.com> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 08:39 Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Mary Boatman, Nancy Long, Emily Long, Nancy Ivy >I cannot answer your question on Nancy Long, Emily Long or James D. Long > living with Mary Boatman in 1850 living in District 4. I have never been > able > to identify them. I notice Mary is living next door to Ezekial Boatman > and > wife Mary. Ezekial Boatman married Mary Boatman on 23 January 1834 in > Grainger County. John Cox was the Bondsman. Then in 1860 she is listed > as a widow > and living with the Thomas and Mahala Salzman family, still in District > 4. > > In 1860, Nancy 45, Emily J. 20, James 18, and Joseph F. age 7, are living > in > District 9. > > In 1870, Nancy 54, Emma J. 25 and Joseph F, 16 are living in Dist 13, > Jefferson County. This census is hard to read, but I feel it is the same > family. I > could not locate James E. Long in a census record. > > In 1880, Nancy 60 and Emma J, 39 are living in District 3, Hamblen > County. > Nancy states her mother and father were both born in NC. Joseph has > married > and is living in District 4 Hamblen County, i.e. Joseph 26, Viola 19, > Robert 8, and Lula 6/12. This is the last record I can find on Nancy and > Emma J. > and could not locate a burial for them. > > In 1900, Joseph 52, Viola 45, Robert 23, Lula 20, Henry, b. Texas, 8, and > Edna, b. Indian Territory, are living in Oklahoma Territory, Wichita > Reservation. > > In 1910, Joseph has returned to Hamblen County and is living in District > 4, > listed as Joseph F. 58, married twice, (- ? -) wife, 49, married twice, > mother > of 4, 4 living, Tinnie P. (?) age 12, Mary S., age 8, Tinnie Miller (?), > housekeeper, and Lula Long, Daughter, age 32. This census page is very > faint > and hard to read. > > This is the last record I have on this family and I have not been able to > locate a burial or death date for Joseph. Thought if I could find that, > his > death certificate might tell me who his mother was. Their ages "jump > around" > which is not too unusual and if they belong to the Reuben Long family it > could > be the family of John Long and Rachel ( - ? - ). I think John had a male > born between 1800 - 1810, whom I have never been able to identify. > > I have nothing that would indicate that Nancy is connected in any way to > Hardy and Rachel Cash Long. Hardy and Rachel Cash Long were married in > 1817 in > Pulaski County, KY, so unless he was married before he married Rachel, > Nancy > born ca 1814 could not be his daughter. He did have a son James, b.1818 > who > married America Stubblefield, and he had a daughter Emily, b. 1845 who > married John William Crews. I have Emily's death certificate which states > she is > their daughter. Several of John and Emily's children migrated to Morgan > County, Illinois, and I knew them personally. > > I also have a missing female for Hardy Long and Rachel Cash, born between > 1820 and 1825 in Kentucky, who has been listed as the Dorothy Long that > married Thomas Bird on 14 February 1840 in Grainger County. She may be, > but so > far I have not been able to verify this information. He also had a male > b. > 1820-1825 and a male b. 1825-1830, which I have never been able to > identify. > They would have both been born in Kentucky. > > Hardy and Rachel's daughter Sarah "Sallie" Long did marry Jacob Tate Noe, > Sr. and Hillyard Bird married Catherine Noe, Jacob Tate's sister. I also > do > not have a date for Sarah Long and Jacob Tate Noe's marriage. One of > Sarah > "Sallie" Long's grandsons also migrated to Morgan County, Illinois, and I > knew > them personally. As a young girl I spent many a day and holidays with > them. > Also, one of James Long and America Stubblefield's granddaughters > migrated to > Morgan County, Illinois, along with other Stubblefields from Grainger > County. > > As you probably are aware there were four different Long families in > Grainger and Hawkins County before the 1830's, but I have never been able > to > connect them together in any way, but it certainly makes researching > Long's in East > Tennessee a challenging job. My first cousin, who bears the Long > Surname, > just joined the Long DNA Project and I am hoping to get other Grainger > County > Longs to do so. Maybe we can solve some of the mysteries that way. > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

Dorothy's 1850 Census Record list her as being born in Kentucky, but that is the only record I have found that does. In 1860 it list Tennessee; 1870 list her as born in TN and Thomas as born in NC; 1880 list Thomas as born TN, and his mother and father in NC, and list Dorothy as born in TN, her father in TN and her mother in KY. Both Hardy Long and Rachel Cash were born in North Carolina. Do you have any other verification of her being born in Kentucky? On the Hardy Long, Jr. listed with wife Martha in the 1850 census. This is Hardy Long, Jr. and Martha Stubblefield who were married in 1840 in Grainger County. He is, and his records indicate, that he is the son of John Long and Rachel (?), not the son of Hardy and Rachel Cash. Hardy Long, Jr. was born Ca 1816-1817 in Tennessee, and this would have been the same year that Hardy Long and Rachel Cash were in Kentucky.

To my knowledge and in all my research I have never found an Indian connection with the Reuben Long Family. Reuben was born in Halifax Co, VA, and migrated to then Chatham Co, NC with his father. This was prior to the Rev. War. Reuben served in two missions in the Rev. War from Chatham Co, NC, then moved again with his father to the Broad River Area in SC, where he again served in the Rev. War. After the War he moved back to NC to Lincoln County where he remained until he moved his family to Grainger County, TN around 1815. There were several Longs in Lincoln Co, NC, but to date I have not been able to separate them into family groups. I do know that Reuben had a brother, John, as he testified in his Rev. War Pension Record that he served one tour of duty in his place. He also related that his brother, Henry, was killed in the Rev. War in SC. And, the Widdow Mary Long who was in Grainger County was his sister. That is the only three I have definitely identified. Reuben died between June-July 1847 in Grainger County and was probably buried in the Cobb Cemetery where others from his family were buried. He would have been about 88 when he passed away, as he stated in his pension record that he was born in 1759.

Thanks for filling in some of the holes on the Longs. Dorothy was my GGrandma, and is listed as born in KY, but no death certifcate, she died after 1870 in Clay County KY, and is supposed to be buried in Saddler Cemetery, but no stone has been found. Have you ever heard this group referenced as Indian? Cinda

I cannot answer your question on Nancy Long, Emily Long or James D. Long living with Mary Boatman in 1850 living in District 4. I have never been able to identify them. I notice Mary is living next door to Ezekial Boatman and wife Mary. Ezekial Boatman married Mary Boatman on 23 January 1834 in Grainger County. John Cox was the Bondsman. Then in 1860 she is listed as a widow and living with the Thomas and Mahala Salzman family, still in District 4. In 1860, Nancy 45, Emily J. 20, James 18, and Joseph F. age 7, are living in District 9. In 1870, Nancy 54, Emma J. 25 and Joseph F, 16 are living in Dist 13, Jefferson County. This census is hard to read, but I feel it is the same family. I could not locate James E. Long in a census record. In 1880, Nancy 60 and Emma J, 39 are living in District 3, Hamblen County. Nancy states her mother and father were both born in NC. Joseph has married and is living in District 4 Hamblen County, i.e. Joseph 26, Viola 19, Robert 8, and Lula 6/12. This is the last record I can find on Nancy and Emma J. and could not locate a burial for them. In 1900, Joseph 52, Viola 45, Robert 23, Lula 20, Henry, b. Texas, 8, and Edna, b. Indian Territory, are living in Oklahoma Territory, Wichita Reservation. In 1910, Joseph has returned to Hamblen County and is living in District 4, listed as Joseph F. 58, married twice, (- ? -) wife, 49, married twice, mother of 4, 4 living, Tinnie P. (?) age 12, Mary S., age 8, Tinnie Miller (?), housekeeper, and Lula Long, Daughter, age 32. This census page is very faint and hard to read. This is the last record I have on this family and I have not been able to locate a burial or death date for Joseph. Thought if I could find that, his death certificate might tell me who his mother was. Their ages "jump around" which is not too unusual and if they belong to the Reuben Long family it could be the family of John Long and Rachel ( - ? - ). I think John had a male born between 1800 - 1810, whom I have never been able to identify. I have nothing that would indicate that Nancy is connected in any way to Hardy and Rachel Cash Long. Hardy and Rachel Cash Long were married in 1817 in Pulaski County, KY, so unless he was married before he married Rachel, Nancy born ca 1814 could not be his daughter. He did have a son James, b.1818 who married America Stubblefield, and he had a daughter Emily, b. 1845 who married John William Crews. I have Emily's death certificate which states she is their daughter. Several of John and Emily's children migrated to Morgan County, Illinois, and I knew them personally. I also have a missing female for Hardy Long and Rachel Cash, born between 1820 and 1825 in Kentucky, who has been listed as the Dorothy Long that married Thomas Bird on 14 February 1840 in Grainger County. She may be, but so far I have not been able to verify this information. He also had a male b. 1820-1825 and a male b. 1825-1830, which I have never been able to identify. They would have both been born in Kentucky. Hardy and Rachel's daughter Sarah "Sallie" Long did marry Jacob Tate Noe, Sr. and Hillyard Bird married Catherine Noe, Jacob Tate's sister. I also do not have a date for Sarah Long and Jacob Tate Noe's marriage. One of Sarah "Sallie" Long's grandsons also migrated to Morgan County, Illinois, and I knew them personally. As a young girl I spent many a day and holidays with them. Also, one of James Long and America Stubblefield's granddaughters migrated to Morgan County, Illinois, along with other Stubblefields from Grainger County. As you probably are aware there were four different Long families in Grainger and Hawkins County before the 1830's, but I have never been able to connect them together in any way, but it certainly makes researching Long's in East Tennessee a challenging job. My first cousin, who bears the Long Surname, just joined the Long DNA Project and I am hoping to get other Grainger County Longs to do so. Maybe we can solve some of the mysteries that way.

Gail, I am sorry, I do not have anything more on Nancy Long, but her living close to the Bird Families does kind of bear out a relationship. James M Bird, father of Redman and Hilliard and Thomas, had 106 acres of land from land grants in Grainger County . But to further confuse this issue, some have said Dorothy was full blooded Cherokee, I don't discount this, just cannot verify it either way. Good luck. Cinda

Richard: I grew up south of Morristown, TN at Lowland. I remember a cave called Fry's Cave between Lowland and Morristown, near Fry's school. I was in the cave at least once. But that was about 60 years ago or more. -- Bill Waller Richard H. Soard wrote: > > Gail, > > Isaac Soard's property in Hamblen included a Cave known as Soard's > Cave. The property was also owned by the Fry family and I suspect Fry's > school must be nearby. The name of the Cave changed to Fry's Cave. > > Thank you again for your help and information. > > Richard Soard

Dear Fellow Researchers, Herewith the explanation for all the lookups. Listed on the 1850 Grainger County, Tennessee census Civil District 4, page 23 B household 324, family 328 is the household of Mary Boatman aged 60 born North Carolina, included in the houehold is Nancy Long age 36, Emily J. Long 11, James D. Long 8, all born Tennessee and Nancy Ivy aged 79 born Virginaia. (I think this Nancy could be Baxter Ivy's widow (the will of Baxter Ivy (1823) Grainger County loose wills WPA). I have never done too much investigating into Baxter, Vardaman Ivy, Sr. and their parents Elisha and Martha ? Ivy (connection to my Ivys unknown). A researcher on a list I am on pointed out that the Henry County, Viginia Ivys and my Ivys who came from St. Thomas's District Orange County North Carolina appeared to get "very cozy" very quickly when they all moved to Grainger County. This is true, but like I say in all these years I have NOT found any connection except they practically lived in each other's pockets after they moved to Grainger County. They are listed in the same militia companies on the tax lists etc. Anyway I inadvertently mentioned Baxter's will on an Ivey list I was on and found there was some degree of interest in finding out more about Baxter's antecedents and descendents. Why I think Nancy Ivy is Baxter's widow. She is the right age (my determination of Nancy's age would be approximate, of course)..ALSO listed three households away is Pleasant Western wo would have been Nancy's son by her first marriage. Anyway my real question is re the Nancy Long in Mary Boatman's household. She is the right age to be Nancy Wertern Ivy's only daughter, Nancy. Is she??? She MIGHT be connected to Hardy and Rachel Cash Long. So I am hoping either Cinda who is descended from Daurtha (Dorothy) OR the lady on this list who is descended from Reuben, but who is much more of an expert on the different Long branches in Grainger County than I am (Iam not even an "expert on my OWN Longs <smile>) might know something about Nancy. Why I think this Nancy Long MIGHT be connected to Hardy and Rachel's family. The Mary Boatman household is listed on the same page of the census as the Hilliard and Redman Bird households. The household of Jacob Tate Noe and Sarah Long Noe (recently married although I still have not found a date for this marriage; the ONLY record I can find is the marriage of the OTHER Jacob Noe to Sarah Spoon <grin>) is listed on the previous page. Anyway does anybody on the list have any information on either Mary Boatman or this Nancy Long? Gail

Pardon my intrusion on this conversation, but it looks like a good place to ask some questions. When will the marriage records (that the LDS library supposedly started filming last year) be available? How can us out-of-staters access the information. Some of us have kept our fingers crosssed for a very long time that some of what we need will be in those records. Thanks, Betty Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grainger Archives" <GRAINGERARCHIVES@msn.com> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups > GAIL, > > PLEASANT SIGNED HIS MARRIAGE BOND AS "WESTERN" BUT THE CLERK WROTE IT AS > "WESTON". THE BRIDE WAS MARY JONES AND THE BOND IS DATED 20 JUNE 1826. > APPEARS THE LICENSE DID NOT SURVIVE SINCE NONE HAS BEEN FOUND. > > JAMES > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gail Roorda<mailto:possum2@softhome.net> > To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:38 PM > Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups > > > Thank you very much James! > > Gail > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grainger Archives" > <GRAINGERARCHIVES@msn.com<mailto:GRAINGERARCHIVES@msn.com>> > To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:55 > Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups > > > > THE ORIGINAL BOND, DATED 10 DECEMBER 1823, SHOWS WILLIAM WESTON AND > NANCY > > ROBERTS WITH DAVID NOE AS THE BONDSMAN > > > > THE ORIGINAL LICENSE WAS ISSUED ON 10 DECEMBER 1823 AND SHOWS WILLIAM > > WESTON AND NANCY ROBERTS, WITH ISAIAH MIDKIFF AS THE J.P., WHO > PERFORMED > > THE MARRIAGE ON 12 DECEMBER 1823. > > > > JAMES > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Betty > Allen<mailto:bettyallen@mo-net.com<mailto:bettyallen@mo-net.com>> > > To: > TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:56 AM > > Subject: RE: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups > > > > > > William Western to Nancy Roberts Dec 10, 1823 David Roe BM (Dec 10, > > 1823) > > Marriages of Grainger County, Tennessee 1796-1837 Edythe Rucker > > Whitley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gail Roorda [mailto:possum2@softhome.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:27 PM > > To: > TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com>> > > Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups > > > > > > Dear fellow researchers, > > > > I hate to keep asking for these lookups, but I am looking for marriage > > records for James Western, Pleasant Western and William Western in > > Grainger > > County. > > > > James to a Sarah probably before 1830 > > Pleasant to a Mary probably before 1830 > > > > Gail > > > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to > > > tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to > > > tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com>> > > > > > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to > tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to > tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com> > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

GAIL, PLEASANT SIGNED HIS MARRIAGE BOND AS "WESTERN" BUT THE CLERK WROTE IT AS "WESTON". THE BRIDE WAS MARY JONES AND THE BOND IS DATED 20 JUNE 1826. APPEARS THE LICENSE DID NOT SURVIVE SINCE NONE HAS BEEN FOUND. JAMES ----- Original Message ----- From: Gail Roorda<mailto:possum2@softhome.net> To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups Thank you very much James! Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grainger Archives" <GRAINGERARCHIVES@msn.com<mailto:GRAINGERARCHIVES@msn.com>> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:55 Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups > THE ORIGINAL BOND, DATED 10 DECEMBER 1823, SHOWS WILLIAM WESTON AND NANCY > ROBERTS WITH DAVID NOE AS THE BONDSMAN > > THE ORIGINAL LICENSE WAS ISSUED ON 10 DECEMBER 1823 AND SHOWS WILLIAM > WESTON AND NANCY ROBERTS, WITH ISAIAH MIDKIFF AS THE J.P., WHO PERFORMED > THE MARRIAGE ON 12 DECEMBER 1823. > > JAMES > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Betty Allen<mailto:bettyallen@mo-net.com<mailto:bettyallen@mo-net.com>> > To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:56 AM > Subject: RE: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups > > > William Western to Nancy Roberts Dec 10, 1823 David Roe BM (Dec 10, > 1823) > Marriages of Grainger County, Tennessee 1796-1837 Edythe Rucker > Whitley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gail Roorda [mailto:possum2@softhome.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:27 PM > To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com>> > Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups > > > Dear fellow researchers, > > I hate to keep asking for these lookups, but I am looking for marriage > records for James Western, Pleasant Western and William Western in > Grainger > County. > > James to a Sarah probably before 1830 > Pleasant to a Mary probably before 1830 > > Gail > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to > tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com>> > > > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to > tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com>> > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com> > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com>

THE ORIGINAL BOND, DATED 10 DECEMBER 1823, SHOWS WILLIAM WESTON AND NANCY ROBERTS WITH DAVID NOE AS THE BONDSMAN THE ORIGINAL LICENSE WAS ISSUED ON 10 DECEMBER 1823 AND SHOWS WILLIAM WESTON AND NANCY ROBERTS, WITH ISAIAH MIDKIFF AS THE J.P., WHO PERFORMED THE MARRIAGE ON 12 DECEMBER 1823. JAMES ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Allen<mailto:bettyallen@mo-net.com> To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: RE: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups William Western to Nancy Roberts Dec 10, 1823 David Roe BM (Dec 10, 1823) Marriages of Grainger County, Tennessee 1796-1837 Edythe Rucker Whitley -----Original Message----- From: Gail Roorda [mailto:possum2@softhome.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:27 PM To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups Dear fellow researchers, I hate to keep asking for these lookups, but I am looking for marriage records for James Western, Pleasant Western and William Western in Grainger County. James to a Sarah probably before 1830 Pleasant to a Mary probably before 1830 Gail ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com> ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com>

Thank you very much James! Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grainger Archives" <GRAINGERARCHIVES@msn.com> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:55 Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups > THE ORIGINAL BOND, DATED 10 DECEMBER 1823, SHOWS WILLIAM WESTON AND NANCY > ROBERTS WITH DAVID NOE AS THE BONDSMAN > > THE ORIGINAL LICENSE WAS ISSUED ON 10 DECEMBER 1823 AND SHOWS WILLIAM > WESTON AND NANCY ROBERTS, WITH ISAIAH MIDKIFF AS THE J.P., WHO PERFORMED > THE MARRIAGE ON 12 DECEMBER 1823. > > JAMES > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Betty Allen<mailto:bettyallen@mo-net.com> > To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:56 AM > Subject: RE: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups > > > William Western to Nancy Roberts Dec 10, 1823 David Roe BM (Dec 10, > 1823) > Marriages of Grainger County, Tennessee 1796-1837 Edythe Rucker > Whitley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gail Roorda [mailto:possum2@softhome.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:27 PM > To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups > > > Dear fellow researchers, > > I hate to keep asking for these lookups, but I am looking for marriage > records for James Western, Pleasant Western and William Western in > Grainger > County. > > James to a Sarah probably before 1830 > Pleasant to a Mary probably before 1830 > > Gail > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to > tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to > tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com> > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >