Stevvi, Thanks for the reply. I am happy to have some information about the salvage work there. I won't be asking staff any questions at this time. It will be helpful to have the index, especially if it is on-line, so that we will know whether or not we want to pay to obtain a copy of a certain bond. Thanks again, Betty Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grainger Archives" <graingerarchives@msn.com> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups > Betty, > > I regret to say that we still do not know when the loose marriage records > will be available on microfilm. A couple from the Genealogical Society of > Utah (GSU) arrived in Rutledge to begin filiming in December 2005. > Unfortunately a medical emergency sent them home to Utah before they could > begin this project. Our representative with the Tennessee State Library > and Archives (TSLA) continues to negotiate with GSU about whom they will > send to replace the couple (who had already begun filming in neighboring > Hawkins County) and when. We are all hopeful that within the next few > months arrangements will be made to begin the filming. Once filming > commences, it will be up to GSU and TSLA as to when the film will be > available, but hopefully that would only be a few additional months. > > The marriage bonds and licenses (1796-1950) are ready to be filmed first > and the volunteers at the Grainger County Archives have prepared indexes > of those records. In the future it is possible that these indexes could > be posted on a soon-to-be-created Grainger County Archives website. > > Please keep in mind that several years ago the TSLA microfilmed the old > marriage books that survived (beginning in 1858), six boxes of loose > marriages (1796-1866), and two published books of extracted marriages. > All of these films should be available at most libraries that have > microfilm as well as the LDS Family History Centers. These references can > be utilized until the GCA loose records and indexes are microfilmed by > LDS/GSU. > > In the meantime, the volunteers at the GCA will try to answer simple > marriage queries, as long as we are not overwhelmed by requests. Please > remember that we are continuing to prepare for microfilming the many > remaining old records (currently Chancery Court and then County Court) > with only two volunteers and limited time. Time spent answering large > numbers of lookup requests will only slow down the whole process further. > > Stevvi Cook > Grainger County Archives > > > >>From: "Betty" <bjrb@hotmail.com> >>Reply-To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com >>To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups >>Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:53:33 -0600 >> >>Pardon my intrusion on this conversation, but it looks like a good place >>to ask some questions. >>When will the marriage records (that the LDS library supposedly started >>filming last year) be available? How can us out-of-staters access the >>information. >>Some of us have kept our fingers crosssed for a very long time that some >>of what we need will be in those records. >>Thanks, >> >>Betty >>Texas >> >> >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Grainger Archives" >><GRAINGERARCHIVES@msn.com> >>To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:42 AM >>Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups >> >> >>>GAIL, >>> >>>PLEASANT SIGNED HIS MARRIAGE BOND AS "WESTERN" BUT THE CLERK WROTE IT AS >>>"WESTON". THE BRIDE WAS MARY JONES AND THE BOND IS DATED 20 JUNE 1826. >>>APPEARS THE LICENSE DID NOT SURVIVE SINCE NONE HAS BEEN FOUND. >>> >>>JAMES >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Gail >>> Roorda<mailto:possum2@softhome.net> >>> To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:38 PM >>> Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups >>> >>> >>> Thank you very much James! >>> >>> Gail >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grainger Archives" >>> <GRAINGERARCHIVES@msn.com<mailto:GRAINGERARCHIVES@msn.com>> >>> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com>> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:55 >>> Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups >>> >>> >>> > THE ORIGINAL BOND, DATED 10 DECEMBER 1823, SHOWS WILLIAM WESTON AND >>> NANCY >>> > ROBERTS WITH DAVID NOE AS THE BONDSMAN >>> > >>> > THE ORIGINAL LICENSE WAS ISSUED ON 10 DECEMBER 1823 AND SHOWS WILLIAM >>> > WESTON AND NANCY ROBERTS, WITH ISAIAH MIDKIFF AS THE J.P., WHO >>> PERFORMED >>> > THE MARRIAGE ON 12 DECEMBER 1823. >>> > >>> > JAMES >>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Betty >>> Allen<mailto:bettyallen@mo-net.com<mailto:bettyallen@mo-net.com>> >>> > To: >>> TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:56 AM >>> > Subject: RE: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups >>> > >>> > >>> > William Western to Nancy Roberts Dec 10, 1823 David Roe BM (Dec 10, >>> > 1823) >>> > Marriages of Grainger County, Tennessee 1796-1837 Edythe Rucker >>> > Whitley >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Gail Roorda [mailto:possum2@softhome.net] >>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:27 PM >>> > To: >>> TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com>> >>> > Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups >>> > >>> > >>> > Dear fellow researchers, >>> > >>> > I hate to keep asking for these lookups, but I am looking for >>> marriage >>> > records for James Western, Pleasant Western and William Western in >>> > Grainger >>> > County. >>> > >>> > James to a Sarah probably before 1830 >>> > Pleasant to a Mary probably before 1830 >>> > >>> > Gail >>> > >>> > >>> > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >>> > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to >>> > >>> tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >>> > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to >>> > >>> tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >>> > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to >>> tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to >>> tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com> >>> >>> >>> >>>==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >>>To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to >>>tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com >>> >>> >> >> >>==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >>To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com >> > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

Betty, I regret to say that we still do not know when the loose marriage records will be available on microfilm. A couple from the Genealogical Society of Utah (GSU) arrived in Rutledge to begin filiming in December 2005. Unfortunately a medical emergency sent them home to Utah before they could begin this project. Our representative with the Tennessee State Library and Archives (TSLA) continues to negotiate with GSU about whom they will send to replace the couple (who had already begun filming in neighboring Hawkins County) and when. We are all hopeful that within the next few months arrangements will be made to begin the filming. Once filming commences, it will be up to GSU and TSLA as to when the film will be available, but hopefully that would only be a few additional months. The marriage bonds and licenses (1796-1950) are ready to be filmed first and the volunteers at the Grainger County Archives have prepared indexes of those records. In the future it is possible that these indexes could be posted on a soon-to-be-created Grainger County Archives website. Please keep in mind that several years ago the TSLA microfilmed the old marriage books that survived (beginning in 1858), six boxes of loose marriages (1796-1866), and two published books of extracted marriages. All of these films should be available at most libraries that have microfilm as well as the LDS Family History Centers. These references can be utilized until the GCA loose records and indexes are microfilmed by LDS/GSU. In the meantime, the volunteers at the GCA will try to answer simple marriage queries, as long as we are not overwhelmed by requests. Please remember that we are continuing to prepare for microfilming the many remaining old records (currently Chancery Court and then County Court) with only two volunteers and limited time. Time spent answering large numbers of lookup requests will only slow down the whole process further. Stevvi Cook Grainger County Archives >From: "Betty" <bjrb@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com >To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups >Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:53:33 -0600 > >Pardon my intrusion on this conversation, but it looks like a good place to >ask some questions. >When will the marriage records (that the LDS library supposedly started >filming last year) be available? How can us out-of-staters access the >information. >Some of us have kept our fingers crosssed for a very long time that some of >what we need will be in those records. >Thanks, > >Betty >Texas > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Grainger Archives" ><GRAINGERARCHIVES@msn.com> >To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:42 AM >Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups > > >>GAIL, >> >>PLEASANT SIGNED HIS MARRIAGE BOND AS "WESTERN" BUT THE CLERK WROTE IT AS >>"WESTON". THE BRIDE WAS MARY JONES AND THE BOND IS DATED 20 JUNE 1826. >>APPEARS THE LICENSE DID NOT SURVIVE SINCE NONE HAS BEEN FOUND. >> >>JAMES >> ----- Original Message ----- From: Gail >>Roorda<mailto:possum2@softhome.net> >> To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups >> >> >> Thank you very much James! >> >> Gail >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grainger Archives" >><GRAINGERARCHIVES@msn.com<mailto:GRAINGERARCHIVES@msn.com>> >> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com>> >> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:55 >> Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups >> >> >> > THE ORIGINAL BOND, DATED 10 DECEMBER 1823, SHOWS WILLIAM WESTON AND >>NANCY >> > ROBERTS WITH DAVID NOE AS THE BONDSMAN >> > >> > THE ORIGINAL LICENSE WAS ISSUED ON 10 DECEMBER 1823 AND SHOWS WILLIAM >> > WESTON AND NANCY ROBERTS, WITH ISAIAH MIDKIFF AS THE J.P., WHO >>PERFORMED >> > THE MARRIAGE ON 12 DECEMBER 1823. >> > >> > JAMES >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Betty >>Allen<mailto:bettyallen@mo-net.com<mailto:bettyallen@mo-net.com>> >> > To: >>TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com>> >> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:56 AM >> > Subject: RE: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups >> > >> > >> > William Western to Nancy Roberts Dec 10, 1823 David Roe BM (Dec 10, >> > 1823) >> > Marriages of Grainger County, Tennessee 1796-1837 Edythe Rucker >> > Whitley >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Gail Roorda [mailto:possum2@softhome.net] >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:27 PM >> > To: >>TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com>> >> > Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Marriage Lookups >> > >> > >> > Dear fellow researchers, >> > >> > I hate to keep asking for these lookups, but I am looking for >>marriage >> > records for James Western, Pleasant Western and William Western in >> > Grainger >> > County. >> > >> > James to a Sarah probably before 1830 >> > Pleasant to a Mary probably before 1830 >> > >> > Gail >> > >> > >> > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to >> > >>tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to >> > >>tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com>> >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to >>tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com> >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >> To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to >>tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com> >> >> >> >>==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >>To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com >> >> > > >==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Good morning Arlene, I'm not sure how I'm related to this Frances Spoon. My line starts with Eli Spoon who was married to Mary Ann Terry in Grainger in 1829. The bondsman was John Spoon, but there were a lot of John Spoons. Also at the wedding were Abraham and Mary Spoon. That Mary was still alive when Eli died in 1881, so I assume she is the one who died in 1882 and is buried in the Morris Cemetery. I've been working on the endless supply of Hursts and others from my father's side of the family recently, so I've neglected my mother's side. I'll send you a census page in a minute showing Watkins at the top and Eli Spoon on the last line. By the way, Mecklenburg-Strelitz was and is in Germany. It's now in the state of Mecklenburg-West Pomerania. We didn't get there on any of my tours of Germany. Most famous daughter was Charlotte, the wife of George III. See the following: http://members.cox.net/smithgen/places/meck/mecklenburg.htm<http://members.cox.net/smithgen/places/meck/mecklenburg.htm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_of_Mecklenburg-Strelitz<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_of_Mecklenburg-Strelitz> Thanks for all the information. Bill Hurst Bill, Frances (Frankie Ann) wed William Purkey 1849 Grainger Co. His mother was Malinda____and possibly James Purkey. Children: Mary or Margaret Purkey married John Hoover 1867 Jefferson Co. Cornelia or Caroline married William Hoover 1870. I cannot find anything on these 2 children after marriage. I believe Caroline and William had a son James Hoover born 1871.Sarah Dorcas Purkey was a daughter and she wed Jesse F. Brown 1872. They moved to Knox Co and had several children. In 1871 Frankie wed Frank E. Fetting. He dies between 1870 and 1880 for 1880 she is living with daughter, Sarah Dorcas Brown and family in Hamblen Co. She moved to Knox Co with them and she was living in 1910. James Hoover was listed as a nephew and was with Sarah Dorcas and Jesse Brown and 2 children and also mother-in-law Frankie Fetting also. Mr. Fettingwas born Mechlinberg, Sterlitz? This was probably Lithuania or Soviet Union. Frankie and William had a son John Purkey born 1859 and living with Viola Purkey Long and Joseph Long in 1880 as a laborer. A Spoon researcher said Frankie had a sister, Barbara(Barbry) Spoon. She was accepted by experience according to church records Dec. third Sat 1847 at New Prospect. They were daughters of John Spoon and Mahala Turner who migrated to Benton Co., Ar. after March 1850. This seems logical for Frankie and William wed 1849 Gr. Co. and Barbara wed Jesse Linch/Lynch ca. 1853 in Ar. While Jesse was serving in Confederate Army she was killed by bushwackers. John and Mahala Spoon had 11children born in Tn. How are yo relatedto Frankie? Arlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Hurst" <wrhurst_17@msn.com<mailto:wrhurst_17@msn.com>> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Ned and Mahala Mayes parents of Sarha Mayes Long. > Arlene, do you know anything more about Frances Spoon? > > Bill Hurst > Couldn't resist giving this little bit of info. Received Louisa Joyce and > Frances Spoon by experience into Kidwell Ridge Baptist Church ca. Dec > 3rd > Saturday 1847. This is from Records of New Prospect Baptist. Some > members > were petitioning for a dismissal to form Kidwell's Ridge Baptist. and > their > several requests was granted. Kidwell's Ridge founded ca. Jan 1848. > Frances > Spoon wed William Purkey 1849 Grainger Co. > William was my gg uncle. > > Arlene P.Watkins > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com> > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com>

Bill, Frances (Frankie Ann) wed William Purkey 1849 Grainger Co. His mother was Malinda____and possibly James Purkey. Children: Mary or Margaret Purkey married John Hoover 1867 Jefferson Co. Cornelia or Caroline married William Hoover 1870. I cannot find anything on these 2 children after marriage. I believe Caroline and William had a son James Hoover born 1871.Sarah Dorcas Purkey was a daughter and she wed Jesse F. Brown 1872. They moved to Knox Co and had several children. In 1871 Frankie wed Frank E. Fetting. He dies between 1870 and 1880 for 1880 she is living with daughter, Sarah Dorcas Brown and family in Hamblen Co. She moved to Knox Co with them and she was living in 1910. James Hoover was listed as a nephew and was with Sarah Dorcas and Jesse Brown and 2 children and also mother-in-law Frankie Fetting also. Mr. Fettingwas born Mechlinberg, Sterlitz? This was probably Lithuania or Soviet Union. Frankie and William had a son John Purkey born 1859 and living with Viola Purkey Long and Joseph Long in 1880 as a laborer. A Spoon researcher said Frankie had a sister, Barbara(Barbry) Spoon. She was accepted by experience according to church records Dec. third Sat 1847 at New Prospect. They were daughters of John Spoon and Mahala Turner who migrated to Benton Co., Ar. after March 1850. This seems logical for Frankie and William wed 1849 Gr. Co. and Barbara wed Jesse Linch/Lynch ca. 1853 in Ar. While Jesse was serving in Confederate Army she was killed by bushwackers. John and Mahala Spoon had 11children born in Tn. How are yo relatedto Frankie? Arlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Hurst" <wrhurst_17@msn.com> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Ned and Mahala Mayes parents of Sarha Mayes Long. > Arlene, do you know anything more about Frances Spoon? > > Bill Hurst > Couldn't resist giving this little bit of info. Received Louisa Joyce and > Frances Spoon by experience into Kidwell Ridge Baptist Church ca. Dec > 3rd > Saturday 1847. This is from Records of New Prospect Baptist. Some > members > were petitioning for a dismissal to form Kidwell's Ridge Baptist. and > their > several requests was granted. Kidwell's Ridge founded ca. Jan 1848. > Frances > Spoon wed William Purkey 1849 Grainger Co. > William was my gg uncle. > > Arlene P.Watkins > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > > >

Dear fellow Grainger County researchers, I am getting ready to post my findings re Baxter (Backster) Ivy's and sons and stepsons to another list I am on (actually the ONLY other list I am, on since I was tossed off of a couple of my lists when softhome was experiencing problems. Since I had no time to participate in lists at the time anyway, I didn't re-subscribe to these lists. This will only include research into the families of Baxter's sons and stepsons since I have once again gone down in defeat before the Nancy Ivys (Iveys). The Nancys are like "dragon's teeth" no sooner do I solve one (or think I have solved one) than another one springs up. For some reason I mentioned Baxter's will on a list I am on, Ivey-Kin, and some researchers were interested (there is actually a Vardamn, Sr. descendent on this list. I haven't encountered a Vardaman researcher in many a year). It occurred to me that I might actually USE some of these online census images that I have subscribed to for several years to find Baxter's sons and stepsons. Since William Western and David Ivy were living in Indiana, I determined that the Elisha Ivy living in Indiana was more likely to be Baxter's son than the Elisha Ivy in Missouri (the Vardaman researcher says the Elisha in Missouri is Vardaman, Sr.'s son so I need to go and print this household off, too.) I was unable to locate Baxter's son "Ezra" Ivy no matter how many searches I tied. Then it occurred to me to search on "Ivy" in Indiana. In addition to David and Elisha a "Zera" Ivy popped up. I sat there and looked at "Zera" for awhile and then wondered whether I had dyslexia??? or perhaps the WPA transcriber had dyslexia?? (I was working with an old transcription of the loose wills from the WPA transcriptions that I did many years ago. Should I locate this old film and take it to my neighbor's and see if it actually says EZRA??) Light dawned... Baxter's youngest son was named for "ZERA" Magee!!! Zera was one of the executor's named in Baxter's will. I lost Zera Ivy after 1850. I have so far NOT found his family in 1860, however, a search of the census index turned up a "Zara" Ivy born circa 1851 in Ottawa County, Kansas in 1870. I have no idea what happened to the first Zera Ivy, but "Zara" Ivy was listed in the household of his mother, Vincintia Blake Ivy, on the 1870 Ottawa County, Kanssas. I really THOUGHT I had searched on Vincintia Ivy on the grounds that "Vincintia" like "Zera was not an "everyday" name. Anyway I am just sitting here thinking that genealogy would be so much EASIER if all the families we are researching had JUST given their children names like Zera!!! Gail

Sandy - the recently up-and-running Grainger Co. Archives in Rutledge is a terrific place to start. If you will reread the very last post to this list on the subject of Fry's Cave, you will find their email address. I am not at home, so I can't recall it off hand - I just found the post in my screened mail as spam, which I immediately "unspammed", so it might have come in within the last few days. James & Stevvi Cook will be glad to answer your questions, and let you know what's available. Good luck Eleanor -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Sandy" <sandy-h@rrt.net> > > > > On the 1850 census of Grainger Co. we found Ede Cox Boatman and her family of > Boatman children. She was a new widow. They were living in District 1 does > anyone know where that is? Where in the county could be find records and a > motel to stay? > > Thanks, > Sandy > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Bill-please read this one! You mention a Thomas Bibens Roach Joyce below - what more can you tell me about him. If he is the same one I have been looking at for about 30 years without success, then you have my undying devotion! Through a long involved (aren't they all) connection, I have felt that one Thomas Bibens (Bibens being his surname), age 10 living in the Wortham Joyce household in 1850, but listed last after the youngest child, was actually the son of Frankey Bibbins, either indentured to or apprenticed to or just living with the Joyces who were kin. Frankey was a Solomon, and I think, no proof, the daughter of Frances Mayes Solomon, Mayes being kin to Joyces. I have a disagreement of long standing with another Bibbins researcher that Thomas was one of Frankey's, so I'll be delighted if you have any info at all about him that might decide this issue, one way or the other. Thanks so much Eleanor -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bill Roach" <bmroach63@gulftel.com> > Joyce, > > I haven't been reading all the posts the past few days- but most of them. > I have a little info on the Joyce family- probably not as much as you have, > but > do have some. > Louisa had a sister, Mary Elizabeth Joyce- b. Nov28, 1830 in Gr. CO. She > married Samuel Pleasant Miles > Roach on Aug. 8, 1846 in GR. CO. They had six children. I come by my Joyce > information on > researching Samuel P.M. Roach. Mary Elizabeth died in 1861- Samuel married > Martha L. Watson abt. > 1865 and they had six children. > > I did notice that Wortham had a brother, Thomas Patrick. > Louisa had a brother named Thomas Bibens Joyce > I have a lot of info about Samuel P.M. and Mary and some of their children > as well as P.M. and Martha Watson > and some of their children. > I could go back and check the Joyce info I have.I know it isn't a lot. I > don't know what you have. > > Bill Roach > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce Garrott" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:10 PM > Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Ned and Mahala Mayes parents of Sarha Mayes Long. > > > > Do you possibly have some more information on the family of Lousia Joyce. > > She was the daughter of Wortham Joyce is was the brother of my > > gg-grandfather Thomas Patrick Joyce. They were the sons of John and Lucy > > Edwards Joyce. I have been trying to find information on this family and > > that of their brother Robert Joyce and his family, who stayed behind in > > Grainger County when John and Lucy and their other children came to > > Kentucky in the late 1840's. Any information that you could give me would > > be greatly appreciated. > > > > Joyce Garrott > > ggg-granddaughter of John and Lucy Joyce > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arlene Watkins" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 8:27 PM > > Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Ned and Mahala Mayes parents of Sarha Mayes > > Long. > > > > > >> Couldn't resist giving this little bit of info. Received Louisa Joyce and > >> Frances Spoon by experience into Kidwell Ridge Baptist Church ca. Dec > >> 3rd > > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com >

There is a biography of Louisa's husband at thehttp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ar/washington/bios/mayeswm.txt I think it was Larry Hodge who found this years ago. There is also a biography of John Mayes son of William Mayes and Elizabeth Moody Mayes. http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ar/washington/bios/mayesjhn.txt I told Larry that one of my very favorite Mayes researchers is pretty critical of Goodspeed's biographies. HOWEVER, the submitters usually knew who their parents were and I did note that John and Sarah had apparently named their oldest son, William Zera Mayes after his grandfathers, William Mayes and Zera McGee (MaGee) I can't think of any other reason to name a child "zera"

On the 1850 census of Grainger Co. we found Ede Cox Boatman and her family of Boatman children. She was a new widow. They were living in District 1 does anyone know where that is? Where in the county could be find records and a motel to stay? Thanks, Sandy

Joyce, I haven't been reading all the posts the past few days- but most of them. I have a little info on the Joyce family- probably not as much as you have, but do have some. Louisa had a sister, Mary Elizabeth Joyce- b. Nov28, 1830 in Gr. CO. She married Samuel Pleasant Miles Roach on Aug. 8, 1846 in GR. CO. They had six children. I come by my Joyce information on researching Samuel P.M. Roach. Mary Elizabeth died in 1861- Samuel married Martha L. Watson abt. 1865 and they had six children. I did notice that Wortham had a brother, Thomas Patrick. Louisa had a brother named Thomas Bibens Joyce I have a lot of info about Samuel P.M. and Mary and some of their children as well as P.M. and Martha Watson and some of their children. I could go back and check the Joyce info I have.I know it isn't a lot. I don't know what you have. Bill Roach ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Garrott" <joygarrott@mchsi.com> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Ned and Mahala Mayes parents of Sarha Mayes Long. > Do you possibly have some more information on the family of Lousia Joyce. > She was the daughter of Wortham Joyce is was the brother of my > gg-grandfather Thomas Patrick Joyce. They were the sons of John and Lucy > Edwards Joyce. I have been trying to find information on this family and > that of their brother Robert Joyce and his family, who stayed behind in > Grainger County when John and Lucy and their other children came to > Kentucky in the late 1840's. Any information that you could give me would > be greatly appreciated. > > Joyce Garrott > ggg-granddaughter of John and Lucy Joyce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arlene Watkins" <watkins57@ntown.net> > To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 8:27 PM > Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Ned and Mahala Mayes parents of Sarha Mayes > Long. > > >> Couldn't resist giving this little bit of info. Received Louisa Joyce and >> Frances Spoon by experience into Kidwell Ridge Baptist Church ca. Dec >> 3rd > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > > >

Arlene, do you know anything more about Frances Spoon? Bill Hurst Couldn't resist giving this little bit of info. Received Louisa Joyce and Frances Spoon by experience into Kidwell Ridge Baptist Church ca. Dec 3rd Saturday 1847. This is from Records of New Prospect Baptist. Some members were petitioning for a dismissal to form Kidwell's Ridge Baptist. and their several requests was granted. Kidwell's Ridge founded ca. Jan 1848. Frances Spoon wed William Purkey 1849 Grainger Co. William was my gg uncle. Arlene P.Watkins

Do you possibly have some more information on the family of Lousia Joyce. She was the daughter of Wortham Joyce is was the brother of my gg-grandfather Thomas Patrick Joyce. They were the sons of John and Lucy Edwards Joyce. I have been trying to find information on this family and that of their brother Robert Joyce and his family, who stayed behind in Grainger County when John and Lucy and their other children came to Kentucky in the late 1840's. Any information that you could give me would be greatly appreciated. Joyce Garrott ggg-granddaughter of John and Lucy Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene Watkins" <watkins57@ntown.net> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Ned and Mahala Mayes parents of Sarha Mayes Long. > Couldn't resist giving this little bit of info. Received Louisa Joyce and > Frances Spoon by experience into Kidwell Ridge Baptist Church ca. Dec 3rd > Saturday 1847. This is from Records of New Prospect Baptist. Some > members were petitioning for a dismissal to form Kidwell's Ridge Baptist. > and their several requests was granted. Kidwell's Ridge founded ca. Jan > 1848. Frances Spoon wed William Purkey 1849 Grainger Co. > William was my gg uncle. > > Arlene P.Watkins > \----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Roorda" <possum2@softhome.net> > To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:00 PM > Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Ned and Mahala Mayes parents of Sarha Mayes Long. > > >> Information from my files on the Ned Mayes and Mahala Jane "Jenny" Jones >> Mayes family. Thank you Carolyn, for your further information on Sarah >> and Joseph Long. I only had year dates and no burial information. >> Thanks too for the information on Joseph's parents. >> >> GaIL >> Family Group Sheet >> >> Subject Edward "Ned" MAYES (283)1 >> Birth* circa __ ___ Grainger County, Tennessee.2,3 >> 1812 >> Marriage* 7 Sep 1831 Grainger County, Tennessee.4 >> Death* __ ___ 1863 Grainger County, Tennessee.5 >> Burial* __ ___ ____ Smallman (Mayes) Private Burial Ground, >> Hamblen County, Tennessee.6 >> Father* Dudley MAYES (99) (b. 1786, d. Sep 1844) >> Mother* Elizabeth "Betsey"DANIEL (100) (b. 1778, d. after 1850) >> >> Spouse* Mahala Jane JONES (338)5 >> Name- __ ___ ____ MAYES5 >> Marr: >> Birth* circa __ ___ Tennessee.2,7,3 >> 1810 >> Death* __ ___ 1888 Hamblen County, Tennessee. >> Burial* __ ___ ____ Smallman Private Burial Ground, >> Hamblen County, Tennessee.The old Mayes burial >> ground >> designated by the TVA as Smallman Private is now >> under >> Cherokee Lake8 >> Father* >> Mother* >> >> Ten Known Children >> M William H. MAYES (377)9,9,9 >> Birth* 8 Jan 1832 Grainger County, Tennessee.9 >> Marriage* 25 Sep 1851 Louisa JOICE (428) (b. 22 Apr 1833, >> d. 14 Apr 1894); Grainger County, >> Tennessee.10 >> Death* 23 Oct 1900 Goshen, Washington County, >> Tennessee.9 >> Burial* __ ___ ____ Son's Chapel, Fayette, Washington >> County, Arkansas. >> >> F Scytha Caroline MAYES (375)2,2,2,11 >> Name- __ ___ ____ SLOAN12 >> Marr: >> Birth* 10 Nov 1836 Grainger County, Tennessee.2 >> Marriage* 10 Mar 1855 John P. SLOAN (376) (b. 1825, >> ); Grainger County, Tennessee.12,11 >> Death* 27 Sep 1912 West Plains, Howell County, >> Missouri.5,13 >> >> M Marmaduke MAYES (420)2,2,2 >> Birth* circa __ ___ Grainger County, Tennessee.2 >> 1839 >> Death* circa __ ___ Pt. Lookout Prison, St. Mary's >> 1865 County, Maryland.13 >> Burial* __ ___ ____ Point Lookout Prison Cemetery, St. >> Mary's County, Maryland. >> >> F Henryetta MAYES (422)2,2,2 >> Birth* __ ___ 1840 Grainger County, Tennessee.2 >> Marriage* 10 Oct 1860 Wiliam E. MAYES (598) (b. circa >> 1839, d. circa 1863), son of James >> MAYES (189) and Louisa GRAY (190); >> Grainger County, Tennessee.10 >> Name- __ ___ ____ KING13 >> Marr: >> Marriage* __ ___ ____ James KING (599)13 >> Death* __ ___ ____ Talequeah, Cherokee County, >> Oklahoma.13 >> >> F Nancy Jane MAYES (423)2,2,2 >> Birth* 10 Jun 1842 Grainger County, Tennessee.2 >> Name- 22 Mar 1857 LIVINGSTONE14 >> Marr: >> Marriage* 22 Mar 1857 Alfred LIVINGSTONE (604); Grainger >> County, Tennessee.14,15 >> Name- __ ___ ____ SMITH13 >> Marr: >> Marriage* 22 Oct 1869 Eli SMITH (600); Grainger County, >> Tennessee.13,16 >> Death* after __ ___ Wyandotte, Ottawa County, >> 1906 Missouri.13 >> >> F Emmeline Tressa MAYES (421)2,2,2 >> Birth* 9 Mar 1844 Grainger County, Tennessee.2 >> Name- 29 Oct 1865 SMITH17,18 >> Marr: >> Marriage* 29 Oct 1865 William SMITH (605) (b. 1845, >> ); Grainger County, Tennessee.17,18 >> Death* 5 Sep 1933 Pryor Creek, Mayes County, >> Oklahoma.13 >> >> F Mary Ann MAYES (425)2,5,2,2,5 >> Birth* 3 Nov 1846 Grainger County, Tennessee.2,19 >> Name- 14 Jul 1864 SENTER14 >> Marr: >> Marriage* 14 Jul 1864 William T. SENTER Jr. (608) (b. 12 >> Apr 1847, d. 28 Dec 1927); Grainger >> County, Tennessee.14 >> Death* 27 Nov 1922 Hamblen County, Tennessee.20 >> Burial* __ ___ ____ Panther Springs Cemetery, Hamblen >> County, Tennessee.20 >> >> F Sarah Elizabeth MAYES (424)2,2,2 >> Birth* 4 Dec 1848 Grainger County, Tennessee.2,21 >> Name- 31 Dec 1865 LONG22,23 >> Marr: >> Marriage* 31 Dec 1865 Joseph LONG (601) (b. 9 Mar 1846, >> d. 31 Aug 1922); Grainger County, >> Tennessee.22,23 >> Death* 21 Apr 1924 West Plains, Howell County, >> Missouri.13,21 >> Burial* __ ___ ____ Fowler Cemetery, Howell County, >> Missouri.21 >> >> M James Perry MAYES (426)5,5,5 >> Birth* 2 Oct 1850 Grainger County, Tennessee.5,24 >> Marriage* 26 Mar 1871 Mary Louvenia LONG (464) (b. 22 Jul >> 1854, d. 22 Oct 1927), daughter of >> Nicholas LONG (177) and Jane COOTER >> (178); Hamblen County, Tennessee.25 >> Death* 24 Sep 1894 Washington County, Arkansas.24 >> Burial* __ ___ ____ Goshen Cemetery, Goshen, Washington >> County, Arkansas.24 >> >> F Rebecca Frances MAYES (427)5,5,5 >> Birth* 22 Aug 1853 Grainger County, Tennessee.5 >> Name- circa __ ___ SMALLMAN26,27 >> Marr: 1870 >> Marriage* circa __ ___ William Thomas SMALLMAN (492) (b. >> 1870 27 Dec 1844, d. 8 Feb 1920), son of >> David T. SMALLMAN (525) and >> Elizabeth (--?--) (526)26,27 >> Death* 7 Nov 1927 Hamblen County, Tennessee.28,27 >> Burial* __ ___ ____ Smallman Private Burial Ground, >> Hamblen County, Tennessee.8 >> Reinterred: 29 May 1941 Martha Sunderland Cemetery, >> Morristown, Hamblen County, >> Tennessee.29,27,8 >> >> >> >> ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >> To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to >> tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com >> >> >> > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Couldn't resist giving this little bit of info. Received Louisa Joyce and Frances Spoon by experience into Kidwell Ridge Baptist Church ca. Dec 3rd Saturday 1847. This is from Records of New Prospect Baptist. Some members were petitioning for a dismissal to form Kidwell's Ridge Baptist. and their several requests was granted. Kidwell's Ridge founded ca. Jan 1848. Frances Spoon wed William Purkey 1849 Grainger Co. William was my gg uncle. Arlene P.Watkins \----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Roorda" <possum2@softhome.net> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:00 PM Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Ned and Mahala Mayes parents of Sarha Mayes Long. > Information from my files on the Ned Mayes and Mahala Jane "Jenny" Jones > Mayes family. Thank you Carolyn, for your further information on Sarah > and Joseph Long. I only had year dates and no burial information. Thanks > too for the information on Joseph's parents. > > GaIL > Family Group Sheet > > Subject Edward "Ned" MAYES (283)1 > Birth* circa __ ___ Grainger County, Tennessee.2,3 > 1812 > Marriage* 7 Sep 1831 Grainger County, Tennessee.4 > Death* __ ___ 1863 Grainger County, Tennessee.5 > Burial* __ ___ ____ Smallman (Mayes) Private Burial Ground, > Hamblen County, Tennessee.6 > Father* Dudley MAYES (99) (b. 1786, d. Sep 1844) > Mother* Elizabeth "Betsey"DANIEL (100) (b. 1778, d. after 1850) > > Spouse* Mahala Jane JONES (338)5 > Name- __ ___ ____ MAYES5 > Marr: > Birth* circa __ ___ Tennessee.2,7,3 > 1810 > Death* __ ___ 1888 Hamblen County, Tennessee. > Burial* __ ___ ____ Smallman Private Burial Ground, > Hamblen County, Tennessee.The old Mayes burial > ground > designated by the TVA as Smallman Private is now > under > Cherokee Lake8 > Father* > Mother* > > Ten Known Children > M William H. MAYES (377)9,9,9 > Birth* 8 Jan 1832 Grainger County, Tennessee.9 > Marriage* 25 Sep 1851 Louisa JOICE (428) (b. 22 Apr 1833, > d. 14 Apr 1894); Grainger County, > Tennessee.10 > Death* 23 Oct 1900 Goshen, Washington County, > Tennessee.9 > Burial* __ ___ ____ Son's Chapel, Fayette, Washington > County, Arkansas. > > F Scytha Caroline MAYES (375)2,2,2,11 > Name- __ ___ ____ SLOAN12 > Marr: > Birth* 10 Nov 1836 Grainger County, Tennessee.2 > Marriage* 10 Mar 1855 John P. SLOAN (376) (b. 1825, > ); Grainger County, Tennessee.12,11 > Death* 27 Sep 1912 West Plains, Howell County, > Missouri.5,13 > > M Marmaduke MAYES (420)2,2,2 > Birth* circa __ ___ Grainger County, Tennessee.2 > 1839 > Death* circa __ ___ Pt. Lookout Prison, St. Mary's > 1865 County, Maryland.13 > Burial* __ ___ ____ Point Lookout Prison Cemetery, St. > Mary's County, Maryland. > > F Henryetta MAYES (422)2,2,2 > Birth* __ ___ 1840 Grainger County, Tennessee.2 > Marriage* 10 Oct 1860 Wiliam E. MAYES (598) (b. circa > 1839, d. circa 1863), son of James > MAYES (189) and Louisa GRAY (190); > Grainger County, Tennessee.10 > Name- __ ___ ____ KING13 > Marr: > Marriage* __ ___ ____ James KING (599)13 > Death* __ ___ ____ Talequeah, Cherokee County, > Oklahoma.13 > > F Nancy Jane MAYES (423)2,2,2 > Birth* 10 Jun 1842 Grainger County, Tennessee.2 > Name- 22 Mar 1857 LIVINGSTONE14 > Marr: > Marriage* 22 Mar 1857 Alfred LIVINGSTONE (604); Grainger > County, Tennessee.14,15 > Name- __ ___ ____ SMITH13 > Marr: > Marriage* 22 Oct 1869 Eli SMITH (600); Grainger County, > Tennessee.13,16 > Death* after __ ___ Wyandotte, Ottawa County, > 1906 Missouri.13 > > F Emmeline Tressa MAYES (421)2,2,2 > Birth* 9 Mar 1844 Grainger County, Tennessee.2 > Name- 29 Oct 1865 SMITH17,18 > Marr: > Marriage* 29 Oct 1865 William SMITH (605) (b. 1845, > ); Grainger County, Tennessee.17,18 > Death* 5 Sep 1933 Pryor Creek, Mayes County, > Oklahoma.13 > > F Mary Ann MAYES (425)2,5,2,2,5 > Birth* 3 Nov 1846 Grainger County, Tennessee.2,19 > Name- 14 Jul 1864 SENTER14 > Marr: > Marriage* 14 Jul 1864 William T. SENTER Jr. (608) (b. 12 > Apr 1847, d. 28 Dec 1927); Grainger > County, Tennessee.14 > Death* 27 Nov 1922 Hamblen County, Tennessee.20 > Burial* __ ___ ____ Panther Springs Cemetery, Hamblen > County, Tennessee.20 > > F Sarah Elizabeth MAYES (424)2,2,2 > Birth* 4 Dec 1848 Grainger County, Tennessee.2,21 > Name- 31 Dec 1865 LONG22,23 > Marr: > Marriage* 31 Dec 1865 Joseph LONG (601) (b. 9 Mar 1846, > d. 31 Aug 1922); Grainger County, > Tennessee.22,23 > Death* 21 Apr 1924 West Plains, Howell County, > Missouri.13,21 > Burial* __ ___ ____ Fowler Cemetery, Howell County, > Missouri.21 > > M James Perry MAYES (426)5,5,5 > Birth* 2 Oct 1850 Grainger County, Tennessee.5,24 > Marriage* 26 Mar 1871 Mary Louvenia LONG (464) (b. 22 Jul > 1854, d. 22 Oct 1927), daughter of > Nicholas LONG (177) and Jane COOTER > (178); Hamblen County, Tennessee.25 > Death* 24 Sep 1894 Washington County, Arkansas.24 > Burial* __ ___ ____ Goshen Cemetery, Goshen, Washington > County, Arkansas.24 > > F Rebecca Frances MAYES (427)5,5,5 > Birth* 22 Aug 1853 Grainger County, Tennessee.5 > Name- circa __ ___ SMALLMAN26,27 > Marr: 1870 > Marriage* circa __ ___ William Thomas SMALLMAN (492) (b. > 1870 27 Dec 1844, d. 8 Feb 1920), son of > David T. SMALLMAN (525) and > Elizabeth (--?--) (526)26,27 > Death* 7 Nov 1927 Hamblen County, Tennessee.28,27 > Burial* __ ___ ____ Smallman Private Burial Ground, > Hamblen County, Tennessee.8 > Reinterred: 29 May 1941 Martha Sunderland Cemetery, > Morristown, Hamblen County, > Tennessee.29,27,8 > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > > >

FRY'S CAVE IS JUST A FEW HUNDRED FEET OFF OLD LOWLAND ROAD [ NOW HWY 160 BYPASS] ON FISH HATCHERY ROAD. IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND HAS BEEN CLOSED UP FOR YEARS AND YEARS. JAMES ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Soard<mailto:rsoard@mindspring.com> To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Fry's Cave, Hamblen Co TN Bill, Thanks for the details. Isaac Soard's second wife was Lula D. Bible and her line was connected to John Bible Fry who may be the one Isaac sold the land to in early 1900's. I believe I read the Cave was purchased by the government and was used for munitions storage during the war.....or something like that! Richard At 02:01 AM 2/27/2006, you wrote: >Richard: I grew up south of Morristown, TN at Lowland. >I remember a cave called Fry's Cave between Lowland and Morristown, >near Fry's school. I was in the cave at least once. But that >was about 60 years ago or more. -- Bill Waller > >Richard H. Soard wrote: > > > > Gail, > > > > Isaac Soard's property in Hamblen included a Cave known as Soard's > > Cave. The property was also owned by the Fry family and I suspect Fry's > > school must be nearby. The name of the Cave changed to Fry's Cave. > > > > Thank you again for your help and information. > > > > Richard Soard > > >==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== >To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com> Richard H. Soard rsoard@mindspring.com<mailto:rsoard@mindspring.com> 770.971.7398 678.386.2528 cell ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com>

You wrote: > > Another time--the same person was counted in 2 separate households--his > parents and his own. That time it looks like the head ( or his wife) named > all their children whether they were actually living in the home or not. ___________________________________________________ This phenomena happened in the 1900 census of Grainger County. Thanks to the census taker at least in one district. Once you get above the confusion, and/or someone points it out to you as in my case, you realize that all the households taken by that census taker has the names of all living children even if they live elsewhere. In my family, the married daughter is counted twice on the same page. Actually a plus for us. Regards, Bobbie

Check the dates the census' were actually taken? I have come across a similar situation in a earlier census where the same person was in TN and in another state with a different family. Turns out there was about 3 weeks difference and she was out of state visiting and got counted again. Another time--the same person was counted in 2 separate households--his parents and his own. That time it looks like the head ( or his wife) named all their children whether they were actually living in the home or not. ----- Original Message ----- From: CARR2009@aol.com<mailto:CARR2009@aol.com> To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Mary Boatman, Nancy Long, Emily Long, Nancy Ivy Arlene: We have a problem. I went to your 1910 census in Caddo, OK and it definitely is Viola. However, the census states she is a widow. Also, checked the Caddo County GenWeb page for Lula and Frank. Their marriage is listed: Lula A. Long to Franklin B. Haisington, married 7 January 1903, Caddo County, OK. This would agree with their being married about 8 years on the 1910 census. So, if Lula is living in Caddo in 1910 with her husband (and the name is Haisington) she cannot be living in Hamblen County, TN with her father. Who is the Joseph F. living in Morristown in 1910 with a daughter Lula? Frank Haisington is in Caddo County in the 1900 census. I did not check any further back, and I can find none of them in the 1920 census, except Harry Long who has married (wife Myrtle) and they appear to be living with a Johnson family. Another mystery. Carolyn ______________________________

Possible. But that still would not explain Viola living in 1910 and listed as a widow. I have found double listings also, and it usually involved moves. That's when the date of enumeration becomes important. If you check the date of enumeration on the two 1910 census records, the one in Hamblen was taken about two weeks before the one in Oklahoma. Could Joseph have died in Hamblen County in that two week period? And, if so, how did they get the message in Oklahoma that soon? Carolyn

Could be a double-listing. In the 1880 US census, I found one of my wife's great Grand Aunts in her husband's household in Tippecanoe County, IN, under her married name, and also enumerated as a married adult in her parents' household in Chicago, IL, under her maiden name. Bailey -----Original Message----- From: CARR2009@aol.com [mailto:CARR2009@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:43 AM To: TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Mary Boatman, Nancy Long, Emily Long, Nancy Ivy Arlene: We have a problem. I went to your 1910 census in Caddo, OK and it definitely is Viola. However, the census states she is a widow. Also, checked the Caddo County GenWeb page for Lula and Frank. Their marriage is listed: Lula A. Long to Franklin B. Haisington, married 7 January 1903, Caddo County, OK. This would agree with their being married about 8 years on the 1910 census. So, if Lula is living in Caddo in 1910 with her husband (and the name is Haisington) she cannot be living in Hamblen County, TN with her father. Who is the Joseph F. living in Morristown in 1910 with a daughter Lula? Frank Haisington is in Caddo County in the 1900 census. I did not check any further back, and I can find none of them in the 1920 census, except Harry Long who has married (wife Myrtle) and they appear to be living with a Johnson family. Another mystery. Carolyn ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com

Arlene: We have a problem. I went to your 1910 census in Caddo, OK and it definitely is Viola. However, the census states she is a widow. Also, checked the Caddo County GenWeb page for Lula and Frank. Their marriage is listed: Lula A. Long to Franklin B. Haisington, married 7 January 1903, Caddo County, OK. This would agree with their being married about 8 years on the 1910 census. So, if Lula is living in Caddo in 1910 with her husband (and the name is Haisington) she cannot be living in Hamblen County, TN with her father. Who is the Joseph F. living in Morristown in 1910 with a daughter Lula? Frank Haisington is in Caddo County in the 1900 census. I did not check any further back, and I can find none of them in the 1920 census, except Harry Long who has married (wife Myrtle) and they appear to be living with a Johnson family. Another mystery. Carolyn

Joseph Long married Viola, Villa or Violet Purkeypile 1875 Scott Co, TN. She was the daughter of Jacob Purkey and Elizabeth Helton who married 1853 Grainger Co.. 1880 Hamblen Co. they hadRobert Long born ca, 1877 and Lula born 1879 and John Purkey(1857) who was s/o William and Frankie Spoon Purkey and a laborer. I, too found them in Indian Territory 1900. In 1910 I found Viola with daughter, Lula and son-in-law Frank Herrington in Caddo, OK but Joseph wasn't with them. I just assumed he had passed away. Were they divorced? Arlene Purkey Watkins ----- Original Message ----- From: <CARR2009@aol.com> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Mary Boatman, Nancy Long, Emily Long, Nancy Ivy >I cannot answer your question on Nancy Long, Emily Long or James D. Long > living with Mary Boatman in 1850 living in District 4. I have never been > able > to identify them. I notice Mary is living next door to Ezekial Boatman > and > wife Mary. Ezekial Boatman married Mary Boatman on 23 January 1834 in > Grainger County. John Cox was the Bondsman. Then in 1860 she is listed > as a widow > and living with the Thomas and Mahala Salzman family, still in District > 4. > > In 1860, Nancy 45, Emily J. 20, James 18, and Joseph F. age 7, are living > in > District 9. > > In 1870, Nancy 54, Emma J. 25 and Joseph F, 16 are living in Dist 13, > Jefferson County. This census is hard to read, but I feel it is the same > family. I > could not locate James E. Long in a census record. > > In 1880, Nancy 60 and Emma J, 39 are living in District 3, Hamblen > County. > Nancy states her mother and father were both born in NC. Joseph has > married > and is living in District 4 Hamblen County, i.e. Joseph 26, Viola 19, > Robert 8, and Lula 6/12. This is the last record I can find on Nancy and > Emma J. > and could not locate a burial for them. > > In 1900, Joseph 52, Viola 45, Robert 23, Lula 20, Henry, b. Texas, 8, and > Edna, b. Indian Territory, are living in Oklahoma Territory, Wichita > Reservation. > > In 1910, Joseph has returned to Hamblen County and is living in District > 4, > listed as Joseph F. 58, married twice, (- ? -) wife, 49, married twice, > mother > of 4, 4 living, Tinnie P. (?) age 12, Mary S., age 8, Tinnie Miller (?), > housekeeper, and Lula Long, Daughter, age 32. This census page is very > faint > and hard to read. > > This is the last record I have on this family and I have not been able to > locate a burial or death date for Joseph. Thought if I could find that, > his > death certificate might tell me who his mother was. Their ages "jump > around" > which is not too unusual and if they belong to the Reuben Long family it > could > be the family of John Long and Rachel ( - ? - ). I think John had a male > born between 1800 - 1810, whom I have never been able to identify. > > I have nothing that would indicate that Nancy is connected in any way to > Hardy and Rachel Cash Long. Hardy and Rachel Cash Long were married in > 1817 in > Pulaski County, KY, so unless he was married before he married Rachel, > Nancy > born ca 1814 could not be his daughter. He did have a son James, b.1818 > who > married America Stubblefield, and he had a daughter Emily, b. 1845 who > married John William Crews. I have Emily's death certificate which states > she is > their daughter. Several of John and Emily's children migrated to Morgan > County, Illinois, and I knew them personally. > > I also have a missing female for Hardy Long and Rachel Cash, born between > 1820 and 1825 in Kentucky, who has been listed as the Dorothy Long that > married Thomas Bird on 14 February 1840 in Grainger County. She may be, > but so > far I have not been able to verify this information. He also had a male > b. > 1820-1825 and a male b. 1825-1830, which I have never been able to > identify. > They would have both been born in Kentucky. > > Hardy and Rachel's daughter Sarah "Sallie" Long did marry Jacob Tate Noe, > Sr. and Hillyard Bird married Catherine Noe, Jacob Tate's sister. I also > do > not have a date for Sarah Long and Jacob Tate Noe's marriage. One of > Sarah > "Sallie" Long's grandsons also migrated to Morgan County, Illinois, and I > knew > them personally. As a young girl I spent many a day and holidays with > them. > Also, one of James Long and America Stubblefield's granddaughters > migrated to > Morgan County, Illinois, along with other Stubblefields from Grainger > County. > > As you probably are aware there were four different Long families in > Grainger and Hawkins County before the 1830's, but I have never been able > to > connect them together in any way, but it certainly makes researching > Long's in East > Tennessee a challenging job. My first cousin, who bears the Long > Surname, > just joined the Long DNA Project and I am hoping to get other Grainger > County > Longs to do so. Maybe we can solve some of the mysteries that way. > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to tngraing-l-request@rootsweb.com > > >