Hi Sharon, > in 1848 Grainger Co TN.. 9th school dist is a Flemwell Floyd....who > has 5 school age kids, and in 1830 Grainger Co voters listing there was > a Daniel Floyd, Did the info on the 1830 taxes show any info other than the fact the Daniel Floyd paid taxes. IOW, did he own land, horses etc? Do you know how old one had to be to be listed on the 1830 taxes? Was this a poll tax or property tax or a combination? Thanks for your help. Happy huntinbg, Donna Thanks for your help.

Hi Betty, > I am looking for information on the parents & siblings of Hiram Floyd > who is > enumerated on the 1830 census of Grainger County. He appears to be 20 - > 30 > years old, has one male under 5, one female under 5, and a female who > is also 20-30 years old. > Hiram is also the only Floyd in Grainger County at this time. Is that just because he is the only FLOYD listed in the index or did you do a line by line search of the 1830 census? I do know from experience that the index does not always list everyone that is on the census. Actually, Hiram Floyd is my gg gf, but I have not had much time to do any research since I got this info. I do know that Hiram Floyd m Sarah Row 13 Oct 1829. Johnathan Floyd, BM Jacob Row m Disey Fields 4 Feb 1829. Hiram Floyd, BM. Info from Marriages of Grainger Co. TN by Edythe Rucker Whitley My guess is that Sarah Row and Jacob Row are brother and sister. I am descended from Hiram FLOYD and Sarah ROW through their son James Jacob FLOYD m Louisa RICHARDS. Their daughter, Hester Ann FLOYD m John Riley HEIRD. Their son, Floyd Jones HEIRD, b 1910 is my father. How are you related to Hiram FLOYD? > Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Hope this helps some and that we can share info. Happy hunting, Donna

Hi Grainger County Researchers, I just realized I posted the following to the Ivie-L list. <smile> The problem with trying to communicate with two lists at once. I have probably confused them since my last two letters were sent only to the Grainger list...<grin> > Hi again, > > I promise this is my last post for today on this subject. In case > I have confused everybody... My Ivy line is Henry, Benjamin, John > Hamilton I, John Hamilton II, Rufus P....???(my mother is still > living). I try not to post living ppl. My mom wouldn't care, but > she is totally uninterested in genealogy!!! <grin> > > Gail >

Hey Sharon, This is Gail again (not Lynn). That is what I meant about eliminating all the possible Nancys. I ran across a similar reference in Tennessee tidbits. I decided I might as well send in what I had so Lynn and the other Owens researchers could look at it. EVERY Ivy family had a Nancy. This is not my direct line, but I am wondering whether Jenny, Nancy, and Hamilton might have been descended from Phillip. I don't think I have found any references to Phillip Ivy after the early 1800s.... I think it likely that these were grandchildren of Henry and Jane Howell Ivy since it seems children were often "bound out" to relatives. I am not sure what constituted grounds to "bind out" children. When my great great grandfather John Hamilton Ivy I died isabella Ivy apparenty continued raising her children (and step daughter on her own). She is listed as HOH on the census and all the children are listed in the household. Perhaps both Philip and Lydia Daniels Ivy died. Although I cannot be certain that Hamilton, Jenny, and Nancy WERE Phillip's children. I do find Hamilton and his family listed on the Grainger County censuses. At first I thought he might be descended from John Ivy senr. Oh dear I will be confusing everybody if I get into the Johns, John Hamilton's and Hamilton.!!!! I know most about my direct line, and am still not that clear on the other Ivys and so I better be quiet for now. Once again of the the available Nancys, the Nancy and her brother and sister who were "bound out" to Henry Howell, and Baxter's daughter Nancy seem to be the only "strays". Of course there could be countless more <grin> Not really!!! Ivy is not Smith!!! There were I believe twenty nine families listed on the North Carolina census in 1790 shortly before they moved to TN. There were about a dozen families in VA and a dozen more in South Carolina. Gail in MO > Hi, > I would say that being on the school Commissioners and having children > enrolled in that school dist is pretty good proof of residence....for > that C. J. Owens.....in 1848. anyway. > > Several IVY kids were bound out as apprentices, and one early one was a > Nancy and her sib's > Hamilton and Jenny, in 1813, bound to Henry Howell............ > in 1821 a Nancy Ivy age 14 bound to Nathaniel Smith ...and in 1850 a > Nancy & Sally Ivy (ophans) > ordered bound out according to law, Sheriff to bring them in. Dec. 2... > none of these are probably yours but thought they might be of > interest........Sharon > ................................................................. ...... > ................................................................. . > > > On Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:20:25 EDT MOwens9494@aol.com writes: > > I have been reading with interest the notes on C. J. and Nancy > > Ivy Owens. > > These are my husband's gggrandparents. We had found them in the > > 1840 census > > in Knox County, the 1850 census in Claiborne County, and the 1860 > > census in > > Union County. > > In 1848 he would have had three school aged children between the > > ages of > > 6 and 21 which would match the information on the 1848 school list. > > He > > served as bondsman for the marriage of Wilson Ivy to Eliza Beard on > > March 05, > > 1844 in Grainger Co., TN --- and the marriage of Isham N. Guy (or > > Ivy) to > > Nancy Vineyard on October 25, 1846 in Grainger Co., TN. We had not, > > however, > > found records that he actually lived in Grainger Co. > > We have found a C. J. Owens buried in the National Cemetery in > > Knoxville > > who died in the Civil War on the Union side. I have written for > > information > > to see if this is"our" C. J. On documents we found in Union Co., we > > know his > > name was Charles J., but he signed his name as C. J. > > SSSOOO, does any of this sound familiar to anyone? This is as > > far back > > as we have been able to go on the Owens family so, naturally, we > > would be > > interested in help!!! Margaret Lynn Weaver Owens > > Maryville, Blount > > Co.,TN > > > > >

Hi, I would say that being on the school Commissioners and having children enrolled in that school dist is pretty good proof of residence....for that C. J. Owens.....in 1848. anyway. Several IVY kids were bound out as apprentices, and one early one was a Nancy and her sib's Hamilton and Jenny, in 1813, bound to Henry Howell............ in 1821 a Nancy Ivy age 14 bound to Nathaniel Smith ...and in 1850 a Nancy & Sally Ivy (ophans) ordered bound out according to law, Sheriff to bring them in. Dec. 2... none of these are probably yours but thought they might be of interest........Sharon ......................................................................... .................................................................... On Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:20:25 EDT MOwens9494@aol.com writes: > I have been reading with interest the notes on C. J. and Nancy > Ivy Owens. > These are my husband's gggrandparents. We had found them in the > 1840 census > in Knox County, the 1850 census in Claiborne County, and the 1860 > census in > Union County. > In 1848 he would have had three school aged children between the > ages of > 6 and 21 which would match the information on the 1848 school list. > He > served as bondsman for the marriage of Wilson Ivy to Eliza Beard on > March 05, > 1844 in Grainger Co., TN --- and the marriage of Isham N. Guy (or > Ivy) to > Nancy Vineyard on October 25, 1846 in Grainger Co., TN. We had not, > however, > found records that he actually lived in Grainger Co. > We have found a C. J. Owens buried in the National Cemetery in > Knoxville > who died in the Civil War on the Union side. I have written for > information > to see if this is"our" C. J. On documents we found in Union Co., we > know his > name was Charles J., but he signed his name as C. J. > SSSOOO, does any of this sound familiar to anyone? This is as > far back > as we have been able to go on the Owens family so, naturally, we > would be > interested in help!!! Margaret Lynn Weaver Owens > Maryville, Blount > Co.,TN > >

Hi, If you are the Lynn who mailed me the copy of Benjamin's will I am, as I said, endlessly grateful. The Nancys are fairly difficult though. It does seem as if every Grainger County Ivey family included a Nancy. I just thought Baxter might be a possibility. I do think I have seen the marriage as Vinyard/Guy or Ivy marriage as Ivy in different extractions. Since you actually live in Tennesssee it should be possible for you to get films of the orginal bonds through interlibrary loan or view them at the McClung. Once again Sharon to the rescue. I had thought I would take my microfilm copy to my neighbor's and look for C. J. on the tax lists. They have finally put in a dirt temporary bridge. My DH has gone over the "bridge" and Iona came over it when we went to "keep" our genealogy society library on Thursday. However, as I said it finally rained and I am not that desperate for acess to a microfilm machine. Pretty desperate though... When I was a little girl my cousin had a raft built out of boards and barrels. Although I didn't help build it, I can remember the construction very clearly. After all Sherrod Mayes operated a ferry. It's probably in my blood. :) Gail Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: <MOwens9494@aol.com> To: <TNGRAING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 12:20 Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Ivy/Owens > I have been reading with interest the notes on C. J. and Nancy Ivy Owens. > These are my husband's gggrandparents. We had found them in the 1840 census > in Knox County, the 1850 census in Claiborne County, and the 1860 census in > Union County. > In 1848 he would have had three school aged children between the ages of > 6 and 21 which would match the information on the 1848 school list. He > served as bondsman for the marriage of Wilson Ivy to Eliza Beard on March 05, > 1844 in Grainger Co., TN --- and the marriage of Isham N. Guy (or Ivy) to > Nancy Vineyard on October 25, 1846 in Grainger Co., TN. We had not, however, > found records that he actually lived in Grainger Co. > We have found a C. J. Owens buried in the National Cemetery in Knoxville > who died in the Civil War on the Union side. I have written for information > to see if this is"our" C. J. On documents we found in Union Co., we know his > name was Charles J., but he signed his name as C. J. > SSSOOO, does any of this sound familiar to anyone? This is as far back > as we have been able to go on the Owens family so, naturally, we would be > interested in help!!! Margaret Lynn Weaver Owens Maryville, Blount > Co.,TN > >

According to the census, our Nancy Ivy was born about 1817 or 1818. If anyone runs across someone who fits that time frame, I would love to know about it. Thanks. And, yes, Gail, I am the one who sent you the copy of Benjamin Ivy's will. I will certainly take the information you sent and see if I can do anything with it. Thanks again. Margaret Lynn Weaver Owens Maryville, Blount Co., TN

Hi Betty, in 1848 Grainger Co TN.. 9th school dist is a Flemwell Floyd....who has 5 school age kids, and in 1830 Grainger Co voters listing there was a Daniel Floyd, Bye Sharon ......................................................................... ......................................................................... On Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Betty Allen <ballen@psln.com> writes: > Hi, > > I am looking for information on the parents & siblings of Hiram > Floyd who is > enumerated on the 1830 census of Grainger County. He appears to be > 20 - 30 > years old, has one male under 5, one female under 5, and a female > who is > also 20-30 years old. > > Hiram is also the only Floyd in Grainger County at this time. > > Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Betty >

here are a couple apprenticeships may be of interest to ya all, If you already have this book let me know? 1. Viny Beelar to Peter Wolfenbarger recinded and the mother allowed to keep the child Apr 4 1848 the index does not indicate when the child was bound.... 2.1847 Susanna K. Elkins, orphan age 3 years bound to Jacob Vandagriff until age 18 Dec 6 Sharon ......................................................................... .................................. On Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Betty Allen <ballen@psln.com> writes: > Hi again! > > A cousin and I have been tossing around the idea of having our next > annual > reunion for the Vandergrift family in Grainger County. Since I don't > live > down there, I would like to know if there is a suitable site to > acommodate a > large group of people, and if there is sufficient lodging in the > area. > > This reunion would include members of the Beeler, Wolfenbarger, > Shelton, > Brock, and other descendants of Vandergriff/Vandagriff/Vandegriff. > > If you can be of assistance, or have suggestions, please let me > know. > > Thanks, > Betty Allen >

Can't help you with info about suitable meeting places for a reunion but wanted to say I would be interested in a Beeler reunion. I don't think my line is directly connected to Wolfenbergers tho. Here's an idea - The Beeler Chapel Church might have some room and I know they have a nice yard. It is right across from Liberty Cemetery. As far as accomodations, I don't remember seeing anything near there. Would be interested in whatever you find out. Susan Beeler Anderson, San Gabriel CA.

Hi again! A cousin and I have been tossing around the idea of having our next annual reunion for the Vandergrift family in Grainger County. Since I don't live down there, I would like to know if there is a suitable site to acommodate a large group of people, and if there is sufficient lodging in the area. This reunion would include members of the Beeler, Wolfenbarger, Shelton, Brock, and other descendants of Vandergriff/Vandagriff/Vandegriff. If you can be of assistance, or have suggestions, please let me know. Thanks, Betty Allen

Hi, I am looking for information on the parents & siblings of Hiram Floyd who is enumerated on the 1830 census of Grainger County. He appears to be 20 - 30 years old, has one male under 5, one female under 5, and a female who is also 20-30 years old. Hiram is also the only Floyd in Grainger County at this time. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Betty

Dear Ivy/Owens researchers If you are not on either the Ivy or Grainger County please contact me and let me know if you are not receiving any of this information (VBG). Seriously please drop me a brief note in the next few weeks saying you have seen this. Otherwise I will contact you personally. Baxter has never AFAIK appeared in any of the published material on the Ivey family. I do think he is connected to my Iveys though. Early tax lists list him in the same company as my ancestor Henry Ivey and his sons. There is a least one instance that I recall of the name Baxter occurring in Benjamin's line. (Ivie-L list members "my" Benjamin is the "Tennessee" Benjamin.) It appears from the will that the Westerns were probably Baxter's step sons. Baxter is listed in the 1799 Grainger County tax list. Backster Ivey 1 Free Poll (Note I am a long way from the McClung and so can't consult the original lists on film. The list I consulted was in Pollyanna Creekmore's Early East Tennesee Taxpayers and Mary Barnet Curtis's Early Tennessee Tax Lists, standard and respected works, but there were slight variations in the lists.) The 1805 list has Baxter Ivy 1 free poll in Howell's Company. Basically the same ppl as Captain Mckee's list. My Ivys, Mayes, (Sherrod and his brothers not my other Mayes), the Howells, Hodges, Daniels etc. (The 1805 list was in Penelope Johnson Allen's Leaves From the Family Tree ie not an orginal list) Also you notice none of my Ivys were mentioned in the will. Zara Mcgee was one of the old settlers (left a will mentioning sons Willie and Nehemiah). No other connection to the Iveys (Ivys) that I know of. Gail

Hi again, I have located some of the "lost" Melungeon information by doing an Alta Vista search. Quite a number of links turned up, but I think most of the information can be found by following links at the folLowing: http://www.melungeons.org/melung.htm A Melungeon Homepage http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~mtnties/melungeon.html The Melungeon Heritage Page Gail in MO

I have been reading with interest the notes on C. J. and Nancy Ivy Owens. These are my husband's gggrandparents. We had found them in the 1840 census in Knox County, the 1850 census in Claiborne County, and the 1860 census in Union County. In 1848 he would have had three school aged children between the ages of 6 and 21 which would match the information on the 1848 school list. He served as bondsman for the marriage of Wilson Ivy to Eliza Beard on March 05, 1844 in Grainger Co., TN --- and the marriage of Isham N. Guy (or Ivy) to Nancy Vineyard on October 25, 1846 in Grainger Co., TN. We had not, however, found records that he actually lived in Grainger Co. We have found a C. J. Owens buried in the National Cemetery in Knoxville who died in the Civil War on the Union side. I have written for information to see if this is"our" C. J. On documents we found in Union Co., we know his name was Charles J., but he signed his name as C. J. SSSOOO, does any of this sound familiar to anyone? This is as far back as we have been able to go on the Owens family so, naturally, we would be interested in help!!! Margaret Lynn Weaver Owens Maryville, Blount Co.,TN

Dee said, Avoiding Bonnie Bell's Melungeon book states that people with the name of > GOINS were > in the counties of southwest Virginia; Giles, Lee,Russell, Scott, > Washington and Wine Goins apparently IS a melungeon name. However, having a name like Goins Collins etc. IS NOT proof of Melungeon ancestry. Bill Waller, a member of this list (Hi Bill!!!) has a link to a really interesting talk given on this topic. I was reading it the other day. I try to check Bill's page every now and then :) > http://www.public.usit.net/billiam/melungeon.html Avoiding pitfalls in melungeon research Although AFAIK I do not have any melungeon ancestry, however, there was an article in the Wall Street Journal on Melungeons when I first took up genealogy. I found the entire topic fascinating. I just checked my bookmarks and found some of my URLs have disappeared. However, here is one website that is still up: http://www.bright.net./~kat/melung.htm The Melungeon Outpost This page apparently has not been very active lately. However, you can find something about the theories of Dr. Brent Kennedy. Dr. Kennedy's site is apparently not active (I had it bookmarked). Be aware that there is a lot of controversy among Melungeon researchers...!! As I said I find this topic quite fascinating...!!!! Some members of surname lists I have been on have claimed that their branch of the family have Melungeon or Lumbee ancestry which is certainly possible... Names like Locklear and Oxendine are apparently indicative of Lumbee ancestry, but perhaps are not absolute proof just as having a melungeon surname is not proof of melungeon ancestry! However, I am not an expert on this subject and have learned to avoid arguing. I have found that although it is possible for even an expert researcher to be wrong, one can learn a great deal by listening and keeping an open mind. I am fairly new to genealogical research myself. Sorry to natter on so.... However, even before I took up genealogy I had run across references to Melungeons or Lumbees in literature. Not necessarily by those names... Definitely an interesting branch of historical and genelogical research!! Gail Avoiding Bonnie Bell's Melungeon book states that people with the name of > GOINS were > in the counties of southwest Virginia; Giles, Lee,Russell, Scott, > Washington and Wine. >

I am resubmitting my query because I believe it is unclear. My ggg grandfather Warner Pritchard b. 1800 married Sophia Goens in 1816. I'm researching as to whether the name Goens or Goins is Indian, Mulatto, or Melungeon. Bonnie Bell's Melungeon book states that people with the name of GOINS were in the counties of southwest Virginia; Giles, Lee,Russell, Scott, Washington and Wine. Has anyone heard of this name? Sincerely, DeeRandall

I just recently got the apprenticeships book and another Various records book for Grainger and noticed on the 1848 School list a C.J. Owens with 3 school age children in the 15th Dist. which means they were bet 6-21, C.J. Owens was also a Comrs. for the school dist. (Commissoner?) just thought I'd let you know he was still there in 1848.. for what its worth....Sharon ......................................................................... .......................................... On Sat, 31 Jul 1999 17:00:58 -0500 "Bruce Roorda" <b.roorda@msc.net> writes: > > Dear fellow researchers, > > It has rained here in Missouri and the heat wave has broken so I > thought that I would sit down and write a letter which I am afraid > might be rather a long one. I have been trying to find time to do > this for some time. I don't know how this will work, but I am > sending this to both the Ivie-L and Grainger County list. > > I know that several researchers on Ivie-L and the Grainger list > have been trying to locate the parents of the Nancy Ivy married > who married Charles Owens in Grainger County, Tennessee. July 23, > 1837. >

An ancestor of mine, Warner Pritchard b. 1800 married an woman who I have heard was Indian or part Indian. He was married previously to another woman by the name of Sophia Goens (married in 1816), whom I'm wondering might also be an Indian or Melungeon, or Mulatto. I read in Bonnie Bell's Melungeon book that people with the name of GOINS were in the counties of southwest Virginia; Giles, Lee,Russell, Scott, Washington and Wine. Has anyone heard of this name? Sincerely, DeeRandall

Dear fellow researchers, It has rained here in Missouri and the heat wave has broken so I thought that I would sit down and write a letter which I am afraid might be rather a long one. I have been trying to find time to do this for some time. I don't know how this will work, but I am sending this to both the Ivie-L and Grainger County list. I know that several researchers on Ivie-L and the Grainger list have been trying to locate the parents of the Nancy Ivy married who married Charles Owens in Grainger County, Tennessee. July 23, 1837. I do have a possible candidates for Nancy Ivey's parents, and would appreciate some feedback either to eliminate these "candidates" or to put forward other candidates. <eeek!!!>. I have now eliminated quite a few of the Nancys as possibilities (not an easy task since the Ivys had an inordinate fondness for the names Nancy and Delilah. Granted that Nancy and Delilah are common East Tennessee surnames.... HOWEVER however, the Iveys married women named Nancy and Delilah named all their daughters Nancy and Delilah... well not ALL their daughters <smile>) I am not descended from Nancy and Charles. However, an Owens researcher did me a big favor and I would like to return it. First of all one can eliminate several of the Nancys as being either too old or too young. I don't think there is any need to go into these ladies.....<smile> Someone mentioned the John Ivy/Nancy Williford marriage (April 10, 1832). I do not believe this could be the Nancy Ivy that married Charles Owens. I do not have absolute proof of this (not my direct line), but I believe this Nancy was the wife of John Ivy, Jr the son of the John Ivey who married Elizabeth Kidwell. John Ivy Senr was the brother of my third great grandfather Benjamin Ivy. John Ivey and Nancy are listed on the 1850 Grainger County census next to John Ivey, Sr and Elizabeth so Nancy could not have been widowed before 1850. According to Bejamin Ivy's will, his daughter Nancy (b. 1812) married a Sunderland. (I have still not found a record for this marriage). John and Elizabeth "Betsy" Kidwell Ivey's daughter Nancy is the Nancy Ivy who married Greenberry Mayes. (Once again this is not my direct line so some of this information could certainly use further research). I could go on and on forever, but on to a possible candidate. The 1830 census for Grainger County did list a woman named Nancy Ivy. A female between 50 and 60. Too old to be Nancy Owens. I did wonder whether she might have a daughter named Nancy. The only other person listed in the household though was a male aged 15 to 20. However, I am pasting to this email the will of Baxter Ivy. It is not taken from the original and is a WPA transcription. In checking the TN archives website I could not find that the Grainger County loose wills had been filmed. Also I have never read whether the loose wills survived the flood. This may be what is available. As you can see there is nothing in the will which really solves the Ivey/Owens mystery, but Baxter's widow was named Nancy and they did have a daughter named Nancy. The Will oF Baxter late of the County of Grainger and State of Tennessee In the name of God Amen I Baxter Ivey do make and ordain and declare this Instrument which is written to be My Last Will and testament all debts of which are but few to be punctually paid to my dearly beloved wife Nancy I give and bequeth the use profit and benefit of all My Whole Estate during her natural life and widow hood Item 1st up on the decease of wife it my will and desire that William Western James Western & Pleasant Western Shall have an Equal Share of My Whole Estate Item 2nd it is also my further Will and Desire that my four last children Elisha Ivey, David Ivy, Nancy Ivy and Ezra Ivy shall have an equal Share of my Estate with the before Mentioned Legatees lastly I constitute and zara Magee and James Carmichael Executors of this my last Will and testament In My witness hearunto I set My hand and subscribe My name this 15th day of July 1823 his Baxter x Ivy mark test James G. Harris James hill August 1823 & filed for further Probate proven in Full Feby 1824 The Last Will and Testament of Baxter Ivy Recorded 15th May 1829 Grainger County Loose Wills