Hi Mickey I haven't received my marriage certificate for James and Martha Davis. Mary

About the books from Mickey Morris: My question is: Are there more licenses in these books than in the Grainger books I have found at genealogy libraries containing marriage licenses and bonds? One in particular is "Grainger County Bonds and Licenses 1796-1886" by Billie Kennerley. Marriage licenses are on microfilm also available from the FHC. I would love to see what is in Mickey's books but am afraid it is the same thing that I already have seen. Would it contain any more? Diana

Melissa, After reading Gail's response which was very good, I thought I would check what LC said before throwing in my two cents if I had anything to add. So you'll know what I am talking about here is LC's statement: ******** 7.How can I preserve my newspaper clippings? Newspaper is made from wood fibers and it will turn dark and brittle very quickly, particularly when exposed to light. Although it can be chemically treated to slow down further deterioration, many of the treatments will also darken the paper. Newspaper will damage other paper or photographic materials with which they are stored if the other items are not protected from them. The only way to preserve the original is to store them properly: 1.Place clipping in a polyester film folder with a sheet of alkaline buffered paper behind it. 2.Put the polyester folders in file folders and boxes of high-quality acid-free, alkaline buffered materials. 3.Store in a cool and dry location, such as a closet in an air-conditioned room. ******** My two cents. Even if you do the above, the newspaper clipping will still deteriorate, just more slowly. To save the information copy it. I always photocopy all of my newspaper clippings. As soon as you can get the best photocopy that you can on archival bond buffered paper. You can also scan it into a computer and save the electronic version, which one day you may be able to afford to enhance with computer techniques. As for saving the clipping itself, the LC advice is good. And there are several businesses and dealers around the country in addition to Light Impressions that sell archival paper folders and clear (Mylar, polypropylene, polyglycene, etc.) sleeves. Just be sure you don't use "plastic" sleeves containing polyvinylchloride (PVC). The alkaline-buffered paper behind it will help overcome the acid in the paper which is what causes it to deteriorate. The best thing to do is to get the acid out of the newspaper or de-acidify it. Again as LC says: ******** 10.Will the Library of Congress deacidify my book collections? The Library is prohibited by law from working on privately owned collections and does not have the equipment necessary to perform such procedures. There are commercial deacidification vendors available, who are quite willing to handle private collections and small quantities of books as needed by the general public. ******** If there are any businesses in your area that sell old paper prints and artwork, they may be able to help you deacidify or find a business that does. If not done correctly and even if done correctly, the item may be made worse or even destroyed. so you are always taking a chance when you treat it just as the LC statement says. There are some "home remedies" for deacidifying paper, but I don't have the references handy. Again, this can be very tricky. As is usually the case, it depends on how much time and money you want to spend to preserve it and for how long. Ross >>> "Melissa Noe" <melissa@ccp.com> 11/19/99 11:23AM >>> Help!!! I have an old newspaper article that I found. It is about my ggrandmother and her 89th birthday celebration. There is a picture and everything. The paper has already started to yellow and the picture is very grainy. I need to preserve this record before it deteriorates further. If someone could help me, give me some tips on how to preserve this piece of my past I would really appreciate it. Thanks Melissa Noe melissa@ccp.com ! ! ! !

Hi again Melissa, It is indeed a small world!!! <grin> I was just going to write to you about the grainger listlist and you're here!!! I am writing you a personal email. <smile> I thought everybody might be interested in preservation tips. The Library of Congress has some good trips online: http://lcweb.loc.gov/preserv/presfaq.html#top I put everything in archival quality sleeves. They came from Light Impressions (not the cheapest place!). However, last winter on the way to a NWMGS meeting (I do indeed belong to the society, Melissa). My neighbor and I were stuffing a bunch of obits in archival sleeves... and she said she got them in ST. Joe... At a pretty reasonable price, too .. I don't think anyone else on the list lives here so I will find out where she got them and send the address to you! Gail in MO > Help!!! > > I have an old newspaper article that I found. It is about my ggrandmother > and her 89th birthday celebration. There is a picture and everything. The > paper has already started to yellow and the picture is very grainy. I need > to preserve this record before it deteriorates further. If someone could > help me, give me some tips on how to preserve this piece of my past I would > really appreciate it. > > Thanks > Melissa Noe > melissa@ccp.com > >

Don't laminate anything. I have a recipe for newpaper preservation or you can buy a product to use. If you e-mail me next week, I can give you info. Sue e-mail kandsander@aol.com

Ross and everyone, At the risk of sounding ignorant, would laminating the article keep it from turning color and disintegrating? I also have some clippings that I would like to preserve. Cheryl

Help!!! I have an old newspaper article that I found. It is about my ggrandmother and her 89th birthday celebration. There is a picture and everything. The paper has already started to yellow and the picture is very grainy. I need to preserve this record before it deteriorates further. If someone could help me, give me some tips on how to preserve this piece of my past I would really appreciate it. Thanks Melissa Noe melissa@ccp.com

Gail, Thanks so much for all of that information. I am going to try and explain what it is I am looking for although I'm not even sure myself. lol My gggrandfather was John Christopher Shipley. He was born on July 7, 1837 in Tennessee (I thought he was born in McMinn Co). He married Theley Jane Fitch on October 31, 1856 in McMinn County. Now the confusing part, I thought his parents were Thomas Christopher Shipley (son of Christopher Shipley and Elizabeth Rutherford) and an unkown woman. But I have found another researcher that says his parents were Nathaniel Shipley and Margaret Taylor. So I am just gathering any Nathaniel Shipley, Thomas Shipley, and John Shipley information to see if I can get this straightened out. There was another researchers that said she had Thomas on the 1840,1850,1860, and 1870 McMinn Co census but I cant find him. Now I also have a report from the researcher that thinks Nathaniel is John's father and she says that she found Nathaniel of the 1850 census for Grainger Co with his wife and 6 children. On the 1860 census also for Grainger she has them listed with 5 of the previous children plus an additional child and 2 wives of the older sons and 2 small grandchildren. I was trying to find these two records to see if it was John and Theley. Okay sorry to get so long winded but this has turned into a major puzzle. Thanks so much for listening and for your time and help. I really appreciate it. Sondra

Previous messages have indicated some members of this list have access to the 1810 census for Grainger Co. I just saw a census index for 1810 that listed two Howeth households. I would appreciate it if someone could look them up in this census and give me page numbers, family profiles and whether these households were nearby each other. The listings that I am interested in are for William Howerth and Mary Howeth. Previously, I had presumed they were husband and wife and the parents of Katherine Howeth who married Andrew Bowers 29 Aug 1816 in Grainger Co. The existence of two Howeth households in the 1810 census is going to require rethinking her parentage. Thanks, Robert Strong

Dwelling #14/Family #15 1850 Grainger County, Tennessee Eli Shipley age 33 male Miller Born: Tennessee Rutha A. 32 female Born: Tennessee Martha M. 10 female Born: Tennessee Jason L. 8 male Born: Tennessee Mary M. 5 female Born: Tennessee Dwelling #20/Family #22 Thos. Shipley age 41 male Farmer Born: Tennessee Elendor 38 female Born: Tennessee Anna E. 17 female Born: Tennessee Adam 13 male Born: Tennessee Mary A. 8 female Born: Tennessee Henry C. 3 male Born: Tennessee John W. 2 male Born: Tennessee Dwelling #32/Family #34 Willis Shipley age 24 male Laborer Born: Tennessee Jane 19 female Born: Tennessee Dwelling #36/Family #38 Varner Shipley age 56 male Carpenter Born: Tennessee Rosana 56 female Born: Tennessee George 33 male Laborer Born: Tennessee Anna 31 female Born: Tennessee Thomas 29 male Laborer Born: Tennessee Amanda 18 female Born: Tennessee Wm. S. 15 male Laborer Born: Tennessee Prudence M. 13 female Born: Tennessee Dwelling# 82Family # 89 Nathan Shipley age 39 male Farmer Born: Tennessee Margaret 36 female Born: Tennessee David C. 14 male Born: Tennessee John C. 13 male Born: Tennessee Isaac 10 male Born: Tennessee Noah 9 male Born: Tennessee Wiley J. 5 male Born: Tennessee Mary J. 1 female Born: Tennessee Dwelling# 974/Family #1013 Solomon S. Shiply age 40 male Saddler Born: Tennessee Margaret C. 42 female Born: Tennessee Andrew 16 male Farmer Born: Tennessee Harriett 14 female Born: Tennessee Daniel 10 male Born: Tennessee Wm. 8 male Born: Tennessee Susan L. 6 female Born: Tennessee Some Shipley marriages from "Early East Tennessee Marriages" Aaron Shipley to Rosannah Bunch 26 June 1813 Adam Shipley to Emily M. Easter 18 August 1860 Adam Shipley to Katherine Mann 26 June 1819 Adam Shipley to Lydia Taylor 12 December 1822 David C. Shipley to Emeline Glossup 14 December 1854 Eli Shipley to Ruthy A. W. Lane 30 August 1838 Isaac Shipley to Sarah A. Patton 6 November 1860 John Shipley to Alice Lang 16 September 1858 Nathaniel Shipley to Margaret Taylor 4 January 1833 Thomas Shipley to Eleanor Rodgers 19 August 1830 Thomas Shipley to Lucinda Rodgers 13 September 1854 William C. Shipley to Susana Nelson 6 August 1829 William D. Shipley to Nancy Jane Cutts 13 January 1859 Willis Shipley to Delila Katherine Jane Harris 21 July 1849 >From "Inventories of Estates and Wills Nov. 1833 - May 1852" page 156 Account of Sales - Thomas Shipley dec'd. 9 April 1835. Mentions: Thomas Shipley, Nathaniel Shipley, Adam Shipley. Signed Adam Shipley and William Shipley Executors, signed in open court 18 May 1835. Recorded 9 July 1836 E. Tate, Clerk. I'm copying the following from the 1860 Tennessee census index: Head of households: Adham Shipley age 68 page 409 Barney Shipley age 60 page 403 Daniel S. Shipley age 21 page 474 Jane Shipley age 35 page 409 Nathan Shipley age 49 page 409 Appears that the John and Thomas you mentioned were not the same as the 1850 Shipleys. A John and a Thomas reside in the household of the above Jane Shipley, Thomas is 6 and John Wesley is 13. Another Thomas is also listed in the household of the above Barney Shipley, Thomas age 31. This Barney appears to be the Varner listed on the 1860 census. If you'd like the full listings let me know. I also have the female Shipley marriages if your interested. Got to get some rest, got the flu. (Even with the shot!) Gail in Moreno Valley, Ca.

HI all. I am new to the list and I am in desperate need of a census look up. Is there someone out there that would be kind enought to help me? 1850 Grainger Co Shipley, Thomas 1st district page 2 Shipley, Nathan 1st district page 6 1860 Grainger Co Shipley, Thomas District 1 page 403 and 409 Shipley, Nathan District 1 page 409 Shipley, John District 1 page 409 Thanks so much for your help. Sondra

Does anyone recognize the following line from Grainger? I'm trying to prove the parents of Eli were Ambrose and Elizabeth ? Hodge. Eli Hodges B. c 1784-94 (1810 was 16-26) D. 1832 sp. Elizabeth Holston b. c 1797. In 1850 census was 53, living with her was Jacob E. (26), Thomas (21), Betsy (17), Louisa A.C. (13). Elizabeth was born in Va. and Jacob in Tn. md. 7/9/1810 in Grainger Co., Tn. Will - Eli Hodges, decd. wife Emalue; note on hand on Daniel & Joseph NOE due 14 Sep 1845; note on hand on Drury MORRIS due Aug 1846; note on Hannah MORRIS due Dec 1846; note on H. BEAR due Sep 1846; my sisters Elizabeth, Lavince (?) & Cornelia entire interest in land belonging to the Estate of Eli HODGES, decd.; my mother Elizabeth HODGES note on John HUNT due Jan 1847; note on Y.I. MORRIS; note on John GARRISTON; my bros Jos. D., John M., Jacob E., Isaac B., & Thos. C. HODGES, my sisters Lucinda HUNT & Mary Ann McBRIDE; good friend Hughs W. TAYLOR & Ellis RIGGS, executors. Signed 5 Sep 1846 Eli (x) Hodges. Att: John M. PATTON, Francis Y. WILLIAMS, Jr. & James M. PATTON, Jr. Recorded 20 Oct 1846. Inventory - 2 Oct 1846. Eli HODGES, decd. Mentions: notes on James E. HOLSTEN, Harmon COX, Marcus McBRIDE, Y.I. MORRIS & Russel RIGGS, Nicholas McBRIDE, P.I. Jones & Wm. EVANS. Signed Hughs W. TAYLOR & Ellis RIGGS, Executors. Recorded 21 Oct 1846, E. TATE, clerk. Eli Hodges md. Emeline Walker on 3/30/1846 in Jefferson Co., Tn. M.G. R. Birdwell [looks as though he died about 6 months later] Lucinda HODGES md. John Hunt 5 Mar 1845 bds Eli Hodges bond only Will Book 3-598 Louisa Ann Cornelia Hodges 1859 [ need copy of this] Ken

Whoa, I don't think that applied to those in the 1800's...maybe just the later ones in the 1900.s, If you go take those licenses now, I think that then they will not be there for future Generations, this would be WRONG....and this is part of the problem with missing records now, Is this kind of thinking.... No offense intended....I think someone has miss-interpreted something here........ Sharon On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:54:45 -0500 "Lynda J. Wilson" <lwilson@life.edu> writes: > Thanks for the input. These were marriages that took place back in > the 1800's. > If I > had known you could take them I would have taken my realtives > licenses while I > was there. Will definite make a side trip to get them next time I > am in the > vicinity. > Lynda > >

Thanks for the input. These were marriages that took place back in the 1800's. If I had known you could take them I would have taken my realtives licenses while I was there. Will definite make a side trip to get them next time I am in the vicinity. Lynda

A more recent piece of Grainger Co. history has been uncovered. Please forgive this "commercial." In going through their book inventory, The Packrat's Nest shop near Dandridge (Jefferson County) discovered a cook book published by The Woman's Society of Christian Service from Shiloh Methodist Church in Rutledge. They're guessing the book is from sometime during the 1930's to 1950's. If you're interested in this book, please respond via private e-mail directly to The Packrat's Nest at <auctions@usit.net>, and they will provide more details. Anita L. Hinson

To Anita. Thanks for letting everyone know the real story. I have been to the old school several times and it breaks my heart to see the records in that mess. I only hope that something will be done before it's to late. Mary Jones

What about the government with a group like they had during the Depression? Like the WPA. A special group to do this in all state, wouldn't it be nice? Mickey in So. IN JBrand1056@aol.com wrote: > > Back in 1995 a cousin in MO told me about the old school cause I was going > there to do research, It was much worse then I had been told. REALLY SAD I > talked with the people at the court house, they said no one really could do > anything because of the people shortage. I was told the State Archives was > stepping in, they even had boxes set up on the stage, as if getting ready to > transport and not go through the things that were wrapped up. Many boxes > setting on the floor where records had just been thrown, no order whatsoever. > > There I found as you walk in the front door, next to the stage was an old > file cabinet loaded with wills and court records, on the stage where many > ledgers setting on boxes and the floor, out of order. Are these things still > setting there? We were in our RV, had my computer, scanner, etc. I copied as > many things I could find on my family and sure glad I did now. > > Can't the DAR, SAR or the VFW step in to help save these records? If I lived > near there I would help. I am more then happy to donate money to help with > the cost of saving these records. > > We need to really PUSH the state of TN to save these records, maybe if > Washington, DC knew of this, they would step in. Who is the Senators for that > area? let's start a letter campaign to them and demanding for something to be > done FAST. > > Jean Brand > Fresno CA

Dear Fellow Listers, It seems to me it might be time to "chill out" a little. I really hope I don't sound overly "pious". Like all of you I have in the past received polite notes from our terrific list owner pointing out that this topic has come up many times over the past few years resulting in "flames" and hurt feelings. <grin> (Ihave always had quite a bit of trouble with the notion that one might "catch more flies with honey... <grin>) As I have said before I live a long way from Eastern Tennessee and don't actually know what the situation really is... However, I admit that I MIGHT have formed an opinion based on what I hear from online acquaintances... so this letter might seem to be a departure from any opinion I might have expressed in the past. It does seem that Mickey has made some progress with the Grainger County officials. I do not know Mickey, but like everybody else I do apppreciate finally having someone to clean up and transcribe records as well as obtaining reasonably priced photocopies of marriage records etc. I do not know whether that is because she is a native of Rutledge or whatever... Anyway some progress has been made. Maybe it would be better to just let Mickey proceed with her work perhaps offering the assistance she needs (quietly!).. It seems to me that attempting to stir things up at the present juncture mgiht not be the best idea. Gail in MO

To: Anita Hinson Dear Anita, Thank you for contacting Billie McNamara about the Old Grainger Co. Records. She explained the situation perfectly. I am a member of the Grainger County Heritage Book Committee and Billie came to several of the Book meetings, was a great support and contributor to the book. We received no support from either the County Officials or the Historical Society. The Working Committee of the Heritage Book met with the Rutledge City Commissioners November 3, 1998, and then made a proposal for a room to be used for the records in the Nance house that was bought to be used by the city. To this date we have not had a response. We have used some of the money to buy a Microfilm Reader and Copier for the Rutledge Library to be used for the records that are on microfilm. Please express my thanks to Billie for explaining the Grainger County situation, and explaining it so accurately. Thanks, Louise Murphy Book Committee

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