Gail, Do you have those pictures posted somewhere online? Perhaps we can help identify some of the people for you. Nancy Alexandria, VA USA

Sorry Clara, I don't know your Eliza Louisa Norris. I know very little about them, except that they were connected to Brown Rookard. The census shows them and the Dyers living all around us, though. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 4:02 AM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Wish I Were a Roach ;-} : I have been trying to find the parents of Eliza (Louisa ) Norris who married : Perrin Cardwell 11-26-1836 for almost ten years.....Would this be in your : data??? : : Thanks..... : : Clara : : : ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== : To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] : :

Which Sharp family are you looking for......I have Samuel Sharp in Luttrell which is on the edge of Grainger Co. Clara

I have been trying to find the parents of Eliza (Louisa ) Norris who married Perrin Cardwell 11-26-1836 for almost ten years.....Would this be in your data??? Thanks..... Clara

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Karen ~ Can you get your hands on a copy of the "Grainger County Tennessee and its People 1796-1998" book? There's a slew of Atkins and some Adkins in the index. Betty B. From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Wish I Were a Roach ;-} Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:30:01 EST Looking for ATKINS/ADKINS family and related connections. Would absolutely LOVE to know the parents of Louis & Richard ATKINS and where they came from in VA. They married MONROE sisters in 1804 & 1805 in Grainger co. Karen ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Kay, Would you happen to have a George Griffin In your Line? George married Mary Elizabeth Hammock on March 28,1903 In Grainger Co, TN. I believe they had at least one daughter named Viola Griffin, Probably more. Thanks, Connie

The only one of your names I have is Robertson. Probably no help to you, but here it is: William Roach, b. 17 May 1822 Monroe Co. WV, d. 1910, md. Nellie Cook 3 February 1845. Their oldest child was Deck Roach that married J. R. Robertson. That's all I have on it. I don't know which is the Mr. and which is the Mrs.! This William was of the Reuben R. Roach that married Sarah "Sally" Ball line. Betty B. From: kg_sno <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [TNGRAING-L] ca 1800, GRIFFIN Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 18:57:50 -0600 --=======7455107E======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-3FF17D8; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am new to the list, and would like to let all the members know what surname I am looking for information on. and that would be GRIFFIN 1801--to at least 1850, they may have crossed back and forth into Jefferson Co. also. Thanks for your consideration, Kay Searching East TN for, GRIFFIN, HARVEY, SHARP, REDMAN, ROBERTSON, DANIEL Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people. - Giordano Bruno --=======7455107E=======-- ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Hi, Debra ~ I'm a Roach, and I'd love to have you in our family! I felt compelled to look at my "record" to see if I have any of your names. I only have Norris, and much too late to be of any help. The Dyers - we've discussed. But I will keep my eyes open when "messing around in Grainger County" info. Betty B. From: "Debra Rookard" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Wish I Were a Roach ;-} Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:08:37 -0800 Greetings List, I am so thrilled to see the wonderul and giving exchange of information that is happening on the Grainger List regarding the Roach family. This is how I imagine the List is to best serve us. Everyone shares. In the hopes that I can jump my family into this momentum, I wonder who of you out there is working on your ROOKARD, BROCKUS, BRANHAM, NORRIS family? Wanna join in on the fun? Dyers, Oakes, & Massengills welcome, too. Here is the short list of my Grainger Roots: 1 William Franklin ROOKARD 2 William Franklin ROOKARD b: 1806 d: 1860's + Nancy BROCKUS b: 1802 d: Aft 1880 3 Lewis ROOKARD b: 16 June 1835 d: 30 Jun 1910 + Eliza Jane BRANHAM b: May 1838 d: 29 April 1904 4 William Franklin ROOKARD b: 2 Feb 1869 d: 1 Nov 1905 Anyone? Debra GenExchange County Coordinator, City of Williamsburg http://www.genexchange.org/county.cfm?State=va&County=williamsburg ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

I don't know if they connect, either. Maybe there's a Dyer researcher out there that can help us out with this .......... ? Thanks, Betty B. From: "SharR" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Dyer & Roach Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:15:28 -0800 Betty, & All.. Yes, your almost correct...it is Jn Greens line...actually his son John ROACH jr. + Clarka OWENS their eldest son was James Anderson ROACH...and he md: Susan Emeline DYER....her father was a James .& Biddy DYER ....I don't know how they connect to Isaac DYER or if they do? SharR <<< It seems to me that John Green's line has a James Anderson Roach that > married a Dyer as well. Susan or something like that ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Of course, I should have remembered that - looked at it only last week! This I wrote off the top of my head, without looking at anything, or I'd have remembered ...... maybe! So all we have to do is prove that John was one or the other's brother, or that Isaac and Rachel were his parents. I may have something in my "to do" stack that came from two separate Dyer researchers that didn't even know about each other until I "introduced" them - via e-mail, of course! If so, I'll post it. Betty B. From: "SharR" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Carter Roach Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:04:05 -0800 Thats who it was....YES!!! I have deed records(so do you) of John A. & Amandy...getting land from the estate of Isaac DYER... that was Rachels sister SharR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty B" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Carter Roach > > Ooops, I forgot to turn my Rich Text Editor on, so I don't know if it went > or not. If it did, it was all messed up. Reply is below. Sorry! > > > > SharR - > > > I think John was probably Rachel's older brother, but I've not dug into that > enough to prove it. Martha Ann did marry John Dyer, though. And there's > some indication that the Amanda Dyer that was John A. Roach's second wife, > was also a sister. Again, I haven't even tried to prove that one way or the > other. > > > It seems to me that John Green's line has a James Anderson Roach that > married a Dyer as well. Susan or something like that ..........? I don't > know what Dyer she belonged to. > > > Betty B. > > > > > > > > > From: "SharR" > > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Carter Roach > > > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:32:11 -0800 > > > > > Hi Ya'll > > > isn't Rachel DYER the sister of John DYER that md: James ROACH's sister > > > Martha ROACH?....and it seems she had another sister____ DYER that md: into > > > the ROACH's or another close family also... > > > > > SharR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 7:16 AM > > > Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Carter Roach > > > > > > > >I now believe I have found the William Carter Roach who married (1) Ella > > > >Mynatt 20 Oct 1895 and (2) Nancy Mondalee Hensley after 1900. I think he > > > must > > > >be the Carter Roach, son of James and Rachel (Dyer) Roach. My question now > > > is > > > >what was James' full name? I see him listed as James H., James Kennon and > > > >James C. W. My other question is which Rachel Dyer did he marry? There > > > were > > > >quite a few of them about that time. > > > >Gail Mynatt Zeigler > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Debra said, "His sons fought for the Union in the 49th KY." This has nothing to do with the Rookards, but with the children of Edward Mayes. This morning as I was getting ready to post my information on Edward's family to the list (I DO need to check this information re Janes S. Kidwell out some more) and it occured to me that Mary Mayes husband, James S. Kidwell was most likely dead by the time the 1866 land document was filed. I know that it supposedly says Mary Mayes wife of James S. Kidwell (and undoubtedly does say this since I have a grreat deal of faith in Larry's transcriptions). However, Mary was most likely the "widow" of James S. Kidwell. Note that the reference to Mary is different from the other entries regarding the daughters and sons-in-law. Every now and then various pieces of infromation come together in my tiny mind. <grin> There was a Catherine Kidwell aged 62 listed in James and Mary Mayes Kidwell's household in 1850. I believe that this would be Catherine Wolf Kidwell second wife (and widow) of John Kidwell. I am not descended from Reverand John (that I know of anyway), but my lots of my relatives intermarried with this family. It runs in my mind James S. Kidwell died in Andersonville Prison. (It seems from my research that a lot more of my relatives and their connections died in various prison camps north and south than died in battle.) Somebody mentioned Grainger County Tennessee and its People 1796-1998". I understand there is a section on the Kidwells and I wonder if someone could do a lookup and see if there is anything about James S. or James Stirling Kidwell. Why would the reference to the Rookards who were Union men trigger this msg, (I am actually wondering how coherent this post is <grin> since it is getting very late here.) Apparently Mary Mayes's husband was a Confederate, however, the Greenlees (remember Mary Mayes Kidwell's mother was Nancy Greenlee) were Union men (I did find some interesting things about the Greenlees online). More tomorrow guys (I am about to fall off my chair.) Bye for Now, Gail in MO

Ooops, I forgot to turn my Rich Text Editor on, so I don't know if it went or not. If it did, it was all messed up. Reply is below. Sorry! SharR - > I think John was probably Rachel's older brother, but I've not dug into that enough to prove it. Martha Ann did marry John Dyer, though. And there's some indication that the Amanda Dyer that was John A. Roach's second wife, was also a sister. Again, I haven't even tried to prove that one way or the other. > It seems to me that John Green's line has a James Anderson Roach that married a Dyer as well. Susan or something like that ..........? I don't know what Dyer she belonged to. > Betty B. > > > From: "SharR" > Reply-To: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Carter Roach > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:32:11 -0800 > > Hi Ya'll > isn't Rachel DYER the sister of John DYER that md: James ROACH's sister > Martha ROACH?....and it seems she had another sister____ DYER that md: into > the ROACH's or another close family also... > > SharR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 7:16 AM > Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Carter Roach > > > >I now believe I have found the William Carter Roach who married (1) Ella > >Mynatt 20 Oct 1895 and (2) Nancy Mondalee Hensley after 1900. I think he > must > >be the Carter Roach, son of James and Rachel (Dyer) Roach. My question now > is > >what was James' full name? I see him listed as James H., James Kennon and > >James C. W. My other question is which Rachel Dyer did he marry? There > were > >quite a few of them about that time. > >Gail Mynatt Zeigler > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Does anyone have a cemetery record for Henry Needham, d Feb 11, 1874 and Anna Needham, d May 10, 1884? I had a document stating they were buried in Mullins Cemetery on Hwy 131, but have been to Mullins Cemetery and did not find markers for them. sue --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 02/25/2003

Karen - I have Atkins also, but no Louis. I will keep my eyes peeled. My ggrandmother was Mary Elizabeth Atkins, d of Elijah, son of Stephen. Tater Valley area. sue --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 02/25/2003

Shar, Gail: Question ?? if the elder Edward MAYES is the father of > Sarah ROACH's son William MAYES...which we believe is the case.....why > doesn't he list William in his 1866 estate records? SharR ============= Dear Shar, I am inserting below the document posted by Larry Hodge to GenForum which you sent to the list starting this "thread". This is just ONE document connected to Edward's estate (hopefully we shall find more). It seems that some of the heirs are selling their share of the estate to John Mayes. BTW although Larry pointed out that John's relationship to Edward was not stated I believe that this John (one of many John Mayeses <grin>) is most likely Edward's son. He is lives near Edward (he is the entry right before Edward's household in the 1860 census), and is most likely one of the two older boys listed in Edward's household in the 1840 census. I did try an internet search and only found one line of descent from Edward Interestingly enough this line of descent was not from one of the children I have been working on. I am not including him in the "family group sheet", I hope to send to the list either tonight or tomorrow. Not that I necessarily doubt that this gentleman is Edward's son. He is the right age to be the last remaining child listed in Edward's household in 1840. It is just that I try to be a little careful about passing on unsourced material I find on the internet to other internet sources even this list which is full of researchers I trust and have great respect for. Some of this "stuff" seems to acquire a life of its own. This family group needs some more work and I hope that everyone will view it with some caution and realize that it is a work in progress. Anyway this is apparently a document in which SOME of the heirs of Edward are selling their share (or at least part of their share to John). As I said it should be fairly easy to get a copy of this document. I found Heirs of Edward Mayes 1866 in my film of the deed book index so as soon as I get a chance I will rent the a microfilm of the deed books for this era and get a photocopy. As I said hopefully we can find some more documentation. In the first place William would have been underage when his father Edward and his grandfather Green Roach died and SHOULD have had a guardian. However, in glancing through the document connected with the settlement of Green Roach's estate you posted to the list, (BTW add my thanks to everyone else's) I noticed references to heirs who should have guardians, but apparently didn't. Edward apparently died during the Civil War. (He is listed in the 1860 census and this document was dated 1866) and I am wondering how complete the records from this era are. Anyway my DH and I are going out of town for a few days so I thought I should go send progress to date on Edward's family to the list before we leave. I have pasted Edward's census household in 1840 and Larry Hodge's msg re Heirs of Edward Mayes to the bottom of this msg for everyone who is interested to see again. Gail in MO Once again here is Edward's household on the 1840 census: Edward Mayes household 1840 U. S. census Grainger County, Tennessee, page 102, line 27. 2 males 5-10, 1 male 10-15, 1 male 15-20, 1 male 40-50, 1 female 5-10, 2 females 10-15, 2 females 15-20, 1 female 20-30. found at Genforum: Heirs of Edward Mayes, dec'd to John Mayes i don't have this one in front of me: it was dated 14 feb 1866 in granger county deeds. heirs of Edward Mayes: James G. Mayes Hamilton Roach (son of Green Roach) Julia Caroline Roach David Yates Elizabeth Yates Robert Owens Nancy Owens Phebe Mayes (apparently never married) Mary Kidwell (formerly Mary Mayes) wife of James S. Kidwell relationship of John Mayes not stated. this Edward appears to be the one who married Nannie Greenlee in 1814. also, he does not appear to be Dudley's Edward. Dudley's Edward may be the one who married Jane Jones in 1831. the land conveyed adjoined Samuel Jones, John Mayes, Enos Hammers & Absolom Cameron. it was for 25 acres.

By the way, I should have included that they settled in Stinking Creek, now Oneida, TN. William Franklin Rookard, known as "Frank" had slaves and freed them all very early, long before the War. I believe he had an ethical issue going on since this all happened before 1850. His sons fought for the Union in the 49th KY. Debra GenExchange County Coordinator, City of Williamsburg http://www.genexchange.org/county.cfm?State=va&County=williamsburg

Hi Betty, As I understand, [and not any too clearly], William Franklin Rookard brought his family to Grainger County from Brunswick Co, VA after 1810. With no 1820 Census available, we have almost a 20 year gap. He had sons, [again not terribly clear], my William Franklin b 1806, married Nancy Brockus 1829; Brownberry, and maybe a Robert. Brownberry married a Norris/Dyer probably around 1830; guessing. Perhaps the sons even came on their own, but if they did, they came as a whole family unit which makes me tend to believe that Dad brought them. No records available to prove either/or. Their whole migration from Brunswick to Grainger is a mystery. Why and when? I also cannot locate any Brockus information. None of the Dyer discussion helped, unforunately all to late. My Rookard family was removed to Campbell by ~1850. Thanks for the family welcome, Debra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty B" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Wish I Were a Roach ;-} : Hi, Debra ~ : : I'm a Roach, and I'd love to have you in our family! I felt compelled to : look at my "record" to see if I have any of your names. I only have Norris, : and much too late to be of any help. The Dyers - we've discussed. But I : will keep my eyes open when "messing around in Grainger County" info. : : Betty B. : : : : : From: "Debra Rookard" <[email protected]> : Reply-To: [email protected] : To: [email protected] : Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Wish I Were a Roach ;-} : Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:08:37 -0800 : : Greetings List, : : I am so thrilled to see the wonderul and giving exchange of information that : is happening : on the Grainger List regarding the Roach family. This is how I imagine the : List is to best : serve us. Everyone shares. : : In the hopes that I can jump my family into this momentum, I wonder who of : you out there is : working on your ROOKARD, BROCKUS, BRANHAM, NORRIS family? Wanna join in on : the fun? Dyers, : Oakes, & Massengills welcome, too. Here is the short list of my Grainger : Roots: : : 1 William Franklin ROOKARD : 2 William Franklin ROOKARD b: 1806 d: 1860's : + Nancy BROCKUS b: 1802 d: Aft 1880 : 3 Lewis ROOKARD b: 16 June 1835 d: 30 Jun 1910 : + Eliza Jane BRANHAM b: May 1838 d: 29 April 1904 : 4 William Franklin ROOKARD b: 2 Feb 1869 d: 1 Nov 1905 : : : Anyone? : Debra : GenExchange County Coordinator, City of Williamsburg : http://www.genexchange.org/county.cfm?State=va&County=williamsburg : : : ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== : To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] : : : : : _________________________________________________________________ : MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* : http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus : : : ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== : To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] : :

Gail, Thanks.... you and DH ,be sure to enjoy your few days away(DH could be Dear Husband) or depending on the circumstances, D_ _ _ _ Hubbie, so many interpretation of that one, I'll leave it right there...<VBG> SharR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Roorda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] MAYES-ROACH Connection > > Dear Shar, > > I am inserting below the document posted by Larry Hodge to GenForum which > you sent to the list starting this "thread". This is just ONE document > connected to Edward's estate (hopefully we shall find more).

Gail, Thanks for the additional info. I will change Nancy Mondale Hensley to Nancy Mondalee Hensley. Guess someone misread something there. Was Hensley her maiden name? Who was her first husband? I missed a page of my record when sending the earlier email. I do find that I have the names of Hobart, Henry and William Carter Jr. We can take this off-line. I am particularly interested in these pictures you mention! I can be reached at [email protected], and your email address is on this message. Thanks for your help. Betty From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Carter Roach Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:02:03 EST Betty, Thanks for the verification. I have two interests in this man. First, he Married Ella Mynatt (my Grandfather's older sister) and after she died he married Mondalee Hensley (my Grandmother's younger sister). Secondly, I have a number of pictures that I took at Mynatt reunions back in the late 40s/early 50s, some only labeled with things like "the Roach contingent" and no names. I would love to find one of the Roach kids in those pictures who could identify them. Ella and Carter had three sons. They were Hobart (17 Aug 1895 - Oct 1968), Henry (1897 - ?) and Wm. Carter, Jr., who died at about three weeks of age. He was born on March 22, 1899, Ella died March 30 and the baby on April 7. Carter took Hobart (I don't know what happened to Henry) and went back home to James and Rachel where they were in the 1900 census. Florentha is a Hensley name so I'm sure she was Mondalee's kid. I think I remember my grandmother saying that she died either in infancy or early childhood. When did Carter die? I haven't a clue. What you had on the second bunch of kids is what I have with no major differences. I do have some of the later generations if you are interested but don't want to post them to the list because I don't want to put anything out on living folks. Thanks again, Gail _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail