Debra, for the Person that wants to be a Roach ; ^ ) this is all I could find on your surnames, and you probably already have this... Marriages for Grainger Co TN: ROOKARD, Aubrose-- to-- LAIM, Elizabeth 3-5-1826 Henry L. -- to --LANE, Dolly 1-9-1828 William----to---BROCKERS,Nancy 1-8-1829 SharR

Well Thank you anyway... SharR ----- Original Message ----- From: "R&T_Cooke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Sarah ROACH _ MAYES > Unfortunately,I do not have the 1850 Grainger census,but I am planning on > getting it in the very near future. > > Tina Lephew Cooke > Union Co.TN > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SharR" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 7:28 PM > Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Sarah ROACH _ MAYES > > > > Tina , > > In your Census records for Grainger does the index show Sarah Roach living > > with any other family ? prob in 5th Dist ?....I just checked 1850 at > > Ancestry.com...but didn't find, her although, I have searched before and > > found them not on their indexs, but know they were on Census > > Thanks > > SharR > > > > > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] > > > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] >

Dear Eleanor, I am NO expert in original research regarding Civil War prisoners (and I unintentionally misled you.) How I know more of them died in camps than in battle is more through general research into their families. Some of the families I am searching have many researchers who share information. For instance it is commonly is known that Marmaduke Mayes son of the "other" Edward Mayes of Grainger County died at Camp Lookout. (This was a Union Prison Camp. It seems that most of Dudley Mayes descendents were Confederate sympathizers as I know of their service, but this does not necessarly apply to all the Mayeses as far as I can tell.) Marmaduke died and was buried at Camp Lookout. I have seen a listing in those buried in Camp Lookout online. I surely would have saved this URL, I will check through my favorites and see if I can locate it. I am not sure whether you are looking for soldiers who died in prison camp or those who survived and came home. Like I said I haven't done tons of original research into this topic. My great great grandmother's Louisa Gray Mayes's brother-in-law Edward Tate was supposed to have died in a CONFDERATE prison camp, but I am certain I got this from the Tate section in Leaves From the Family Tree, a common book found in many genealogy libraries including mine in St. Joe. Somehow I knew James S. Kidwell died at Andersonville although I am not descended from the Kidwells. I could go on and on, but most of what I knw comes from pretty common references. That is why I asked for help on James S. Kidwell. Probably I should do more checking with original sources rather than just passing this stuff on. Nevertheless as I said it seems that many of my family "connections" died in prison camps and the only "cousin" I can think of that died in battle was Calvin Ivey who died at Vicksburg. Calvin was the son of my third great grandfather Benjamin (Ivey)Ivy's brother John and his wife Elizabeth Kidwell. (Elizabeth Kidwell would have been James Stirling Kidwell's half sister.) However, you have piqued my curiosity. There is a vast trove of Civil War information online. However, it is all over the place, and sometimes difficult to find. I have already found one truly great source and I am going to look some more and then send this information on to the list. Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: ELEANOR McCAIN <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 13:44 Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Confederate records > Gail - am following the discussion for Civil War participation by > Tennessee folks. You mentioned on Mar. 9th that you had had some > experience with researching prisoners - from both sides. Do you have a > good source for such info regarding Confederate soldiers - Tennessee or > otherwise? Would appreciate any leads. > > Thanks, > > Eleanor > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] >

Thank you, Betty! I appreciate your response - - -Eleanor -----Original Message----- From: Betty Allen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] Confederate records TENNESSEANS IN THE CIVIL WAR VOL. I & II is a great souce of info. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ELEANOR McCAIN" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 1:44 PM Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Confederate records > Gail - am following the discussion for Civil War participation by > Tennessee folks. You mentioned on Mar. 9th that you had had some > experience with researching prisoners - from both sides. Do you have a > good source for such info regarding Confederate soldiers - Tennessee or > otherwise? Would appreciate any leads. > > Thanks, > > Eleanor > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected]

Shar you said, "I just added the info on Sarah Roach's parents, hope thats okay( see below)" I don't mind at all. <grin> this is a group Grainger County list project. I meant to put in Sarah's parents myself (they were Hamilton's parents too, of course. and I will add Catherine Wolf and Reverand John Kidwell These people were so interconnected I really try to find out about the spouse's parents). Also I just typed in Grace's information without citations. I need to go back and do that some more work (this is a work in progress). Perhaps I should NOT have said "probably not Edward", because I think it COULD have been Edward. Actually I did think it interesting that Edward remarried after being so a widower for some time even before I knew about Sarah's other children. Or it sunk in about Edward and Sarah and Sarah's older children. Actually you all have been discussing this since 1998 and it just all went right over my head. I did catch the reference to Edward, of course and I think I knew Edward was Liggen and Esther's son. The reason I know you have been discussing this for years is because I have all my Grainger List mail since 1998 (at least the significant parts). I ran across some of your early postings when I was looking to find out who parked the RV beside the schoolhouse and copied records for three days. <grin> I was wrong it wasn't Roach researchers, it was some of the Mallicoats. <smile> Now that's dedication, and three people working for three days can get a lot of photocopying done. I hope to get out there someday myself.<sigh> Anyway I certainly haven't discounted Edward being the older children's father. However, as you said the question is where was Sarah in 1850? Edward, Major and Phebe are listed with David and Elizabeth Mayes Yates. Quite a mystery here. Gail

TENNESSEANS IN THE CIVIL WAR VOL. I & II is a great souce of info. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ELEANOR McCAIN" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 1:44 PM Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Confederate records > Gail - am following the discussion for Civil War participation by > Tennessee folks. You mentioned on Mar. 9th that you had had some > experience with researching prisoners - from both sides. Do you have a > good source for such info regarding Confederate soldiers - Tennessee or > otherwise? Would appreciate any leads. > > Thanks, > > Eleanor > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] > >

Tina , In your Census records for Grainger does the index show Sarah Roach living with any other family ? prob in 5th Dist ?....I just checked 1850 at Ancestry.com...but didn't find, her although, I have searched before and found them not on their indexs, but know they were on Census Thanks SharR

I would like to know if anyone would have any information on an Elvira Dalton who married a James M. Hill. Elvira's birth/death dates are about/between the years of 1825-1880. I believe that she could be from Graninger County, Tennessee. Barbara __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com

Gail - am following the discussion for Civil War participation by Tennessee folks. You mentioned on Mar. 9th that you had had some experience with researching prisoners - from both sides. Do you have a good source for such info regarding Confederate soldiers - Tennessee or otherwise? Would appreciate any leads. Thanks, Eleanor

Does anyone lay claim to a Robert Mitchell, a shoemaker by trade, who probably was in Grainger Co. 1826-1827? Nothing else is known about him at present. Thanks in advance, Eleanor

Gail, I just added the info on Sarah Roach's parents, hope thats okay( see below) SharR __________________________________________________________________________ Family Group Subject* Edward MAYES1,2,3 Birth* cir __ ___ 1795 Henry County, Virginia.4,5 > Marriage* 23 Dec 1814 Grainger County, Tennessee.6 > Marriage* 17 Feb 1853 Sarah ROACH (circa 1823-before 1860); > Grainger County, > Tennessee.7 > Death* 1860-1866 Grainger County, Tennessee.8,9 > Father* Liggen MAYES (circa 1767- ) > Mother* Esther DANIEL (circa 1776- ) > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > Spouse* Nancy GREENLEE10,11,12 > Birth* __ ___ 1798 Rutledge, Graunger County, > Tennessee.13 > Death* bef __ ___ 1840 most likely Grainger County, > Tennessee.14 > Father* John GREENLEE Sr. (Oct 1775- ) > Mother* Elizabeth SUNDERLAND > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > Eight Children > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > ?/F Phebe MAYES15,16,17 > Birth* __ ___ 1817 Grainger County, Tennessee.18 > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > ?/M John MAYES19,20,21 > Birth* __ ___ 1821 Grainger County, Tennessee.22,23 > Marriage* 28 Oct 1843 Mary HODGES (1826- ); Grainger > County, Tennessee.24 > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > ?/F Mary MAYES25,26,27 > Birth* 30 Dec 1824 Grainger County, Tennessee.28 > Marriage* 25 Feb 1849 James Stirling KIDWELL (16 Mar 1827-02 > Feb 1865); Grainger > County, Tennessee.29 > Death* 19 Feb 1882 Grainger County, Tennessee. > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > ?/F Elizabeth MAYES30,31,32 > Birth* __ ___ 1826 Grainger County, Tennessee.33 > Marriage* cir __ ___ 1849 David YATES (circa 1827- )34 > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > ?/F Nancy MAYES35,36,37 > Birth: 28 Jun 1826 Grainger County, Tennessee.38 > Birth* cir __ ___ 1828 Grainger County, Tennessee.39,40 > Marriage* 02 Dec 1847 Robert OWENS (1829-16 Oct 1899); > Grainger County, > Tennessee.41 > Death* 22 May 1899 42 > Burial* __ ___ ____Dodson Cemetery, Greene County, > Missouri.43 > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > ?/M James G. MAYES44,45,46 > Birth* 31 Dec 1830 Grainger County, Tennessee.47 > Marriage* 19 Oct 1848 Martha MCDANIEL (22 Oct 1833-09 Aug > 1891); Grainger County, > Tennessee.48,49 > Death* 10 Sep 1910 50 > Burial* __ ___ ____Shiloh Methodist Church Cemetery, near > Rutledge, Grainger > County, Tennessee.51 > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > ?/F Julia Caroline MAYES52,53,54 > Birth* __ ___ 1832 Grainger County, Tennessee.55 > Marriage* 12 Dec 1851 Hamilton ROACH (circa 1831-between > 1900 and 1910); Grainger > County, Tennessee.56 > Death* __ ___ 1917 Grainger County, Tennessee.57 > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > ?/M Major L. MAYES58,59,60 > Birth* cir __ ___ 1835 Grainger County, Tennessee.61 > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Printed on: 11 Mar 2003 > Prepared by: > Gail Roorda > > > Page 1 > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > Family Group > > > Subject* Edward MAYES62,63,64 > Birth* cir __ ___ 1795 Henry County, Virginia.65,66 > Marriage* 23 Dec 1814 Nancy GREENLEE (1798-before 1840); > Grainger County, > Tennessee.67 > Marriage* 17 Feb 1853 Grainger County, Tennessee.68 > Death* 1860-1866 Grainger County, Tennessee.69,70 > Father* Liggen MAYES (circa 1767- ) > Mother* Esther DANIEL (circa 1776- ) > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > Spouse* Sarah ROACH > Birth* cir __ ___ 1823 Grainger County, Tennessee. > Death* bef __ ___ 1860 71 > Father* John Green ROACH ( 22 May 1790- bef: 7 May 1867) > Mother* Margaret Elizabeth MCDANIEL ( ca:1795- bef: 4 Apr 1881) SLR > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > One Child > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > ?/M William MAYES72,73,74 > Birth* cir __ ___ 1854 Grainger County, Tennessee.75 > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Page 2 > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > > Endnotes > > 1. David Yates household, 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, > Tennessee, population > schedule, Civil District 5, page 34B, dwelling 475, family 492, 07 > September 1850, > National Archives micropublication M432, roll 88. > > 2. Ibid. > > 3. Ibid. > > 4. Ibid. > > 5. Edward Mayes household, 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, > Tennessee, population > schedule, civil district 5, Rutledge post office, page 436B, dwelling, > 483 family 483, 16 > July 1860, National Archives micropublication M653, roll 1250. > > 6. Billie Wyrick Kennerly, compiler, Grainger County Marriage Records, > Vol 1 1796-1837 & > Vol. 2 1838-1866 (Houston, Texas: Herb Fisher Company, 1964), 1: 98, > microcopy, Tennessee > State Library and Archives, Nashville, Tennessee. > > 7. Ibid., 2:132. > > 8. Larry L. Hodge <[email protected]>, Heirs of Edward > Mayes, dec'd to John > Mayes land record dated 14 February 1866, "James G. Mayes-Grainger > County," Mayes Family > Genealogy Forum, online <http://genforum.genealogy.com/mayes> posted > 28 June 2000, > printout dated 31 August 2001. > > 9. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, > civil district 5, > Rutledge post office, page 436B, dwelling, 483 family 483. > > 10. Ron Mayes,compiler, "The Mayes Family Archives." Online at > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com: Rootsweb World Connect Project, last > updated 31 October > 2002 by Bice ([email protected]), printout dated 16 February > 2003. > > 11. Ibid. > > 12. Ibid. > > 13. Ibid. > > 14. Edward Mayes household, 1840 U. S. census, Grainger County, > Tennessee, page 192, line > 27Nancy Greenlee Mayes most likely died before the 1840. Edward's > household in 1840 did not include a female old enough to be Nanie. > > 15. Larry L. Hodge, "James G. Mayes-Grainger County," online > <http://genforum.genealogy.com/mayes> 28 June 2000. > > 16. Ibid. > > 17. Ibid. > > 18. David Yates household, 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, > Tennessee, population > schedule, civil district 5, written page 69, dwelling 498 family 498, > 16 July 1860, > National Archives micropublication M653, roll 1250. > > 19. John Mayse household, 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, > Tennessee, population > schedule, Civil District 5, page 34A & 34B, dwelling 474, family 491, > 07 September 1850, > National Archives micropublication M432, roll 88. > > 20. Ibid. > > 21. Ibid. > > 22. Ibid. > > 23. John Mays household, 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, > population > schedule, civil district 5, page 437A dwelling 485, family 485, 16 > July 1860, National > Archives micropublication M653, roll 1250. > > 24. Billie Wyrick Kennerly, Grainger County Marriage Records, 2: 132. > > 25. Larry L. Hodge, "James G. Mayes-Grainger County," online > <http://genforum.genealogy.com/mayes> 28 June 2000. > > 26. Ibid. > > 27. Ibid. > > 28. James Kidwell household, 1850 US census, Grainger County, > Tennessee, population > schedule, civil district 2, page 16B, dwelling 225, family 237, 22 > August 1850, National > Archives micropublication M432, roll 88. > > 29. Byron and Barbara Sistler, compiler, Early East Tennessee > Marriages, Volumes 1 & 2, > (Nashville, Tennessee: Byron Sistler and Associates, Inc., 1987), 2: > 235. Hereinafter > cited as Early East Tennessee Marriages. > > 30. Larry L. Hodge, "James G. Mayes-Grainger County," online > <http://genforum.genealogy.com/mayes> 28 June 2000. > > 31. Ibid. > > 32. Ibid. > > 33. 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population > schedule, Civil District 5, > page 34B, dwelling 475, family 492. > > 34. Ibid. > > 35. Larry L. Hodge, "James G. Mayes-Grainger County," online > <http://genforum.genealogy.com/mayes> 28 June 2000. > > 36. Ibid. > > 37. Ibid. > > 38. Sharon Roach, Robert and Nancy Mayes Owens tombstone > transcriptions in "Owens and > Mayes," listserve message to [email protected], 06 March 2003. > Printout dated 07 > March 2003. > > 39. Robert Owens household, 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, > Tennessee, population > schedule, Civil District 5, page 32 dwelling 441, family 458, 06 > September 1850, National > Archives micropublication M432, roll 88. > > 40. Robert Owens household, 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, > Tennessee, population > schedule, civil district 4, page 434B, dwelling 445 family 445, 14 > July 1860, National > Archives micropublication M653, roll 1250. > > 41. William Owens, "Nancy Mayes," e-mail message from > <[email protected]> to Gail > Ryan Roorda, 14 February 2003. > > 42. Sharon Roach, Robert and Nancy Mayes Owens tombstone > transcriptions in "Owens and > Mayes," listserve message 06 March 2003. > > 43. Ibid. > > 44. Larry L. Hodge, "James G. Mayes-Grainger County," online > <http://genforum.genealogy.com/mayes> 28 June 2000. > > 45. Ibid. > > 46. Ibid. > > 47. Samuel Mayes, transcriber, "Shiloh Methodist Church Cemetery," > online > <http://www.geocities/Heartland/Estates/3937/shiloh.htm>, Samuel > Mayes, webmaster > [email protected], (202 North 10th Street, Middlesboro, KY, 40965), > printout dated 28 June > 2000, Samuel Mayes is a descendent of James G. and Martha Mcdaniel > Mayes. > > 48. Ibid. > > 49. Billie Wyrick Kennerly, Grainger County Marriage Records, 2:132. > > 50. Samuel Mayes, Shiloh Cemetery, 28 June 2000, Samuel Mayes is a > descendent of James G. > and Martha Mcdaniel Mayes. > > 51. Ibid. > > 52. Larry L. Hodge, "James G. Mayes-Grainger County," online > <http://genforum.genealogy.com/mayes> 28 June 2000. > > 53. Ibid. > > 54. Ibid. > > 55. Hamilton Roach household, 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, > Tennessee, population > schedule, civil district 5, Rutledge post office page 445B, dwelling, > 615, family 615, 20 > July 1860, National Archives micropublication M653, roll 1250. > > 56. Sistler, Early East Tennessee Marriages, 2: 235. > > 57. Julia Caroline Roach entry, Partial Index To Tennessee Death > Records 1914-1925, > Tennessee State Library and Archives, online > <http://www.state.tn.us/sos/statelib/pubsvs/death.htm#index>, Accessed > 07 March 2003. > > 58. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, > civil district 5, > written page 69, dwelling 498 family 498. > > 59. Ibid. > > 60. Ibid. > > 61. Ibid. > > 62. 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population > schedule, Civil District 5, > page 34B, dwelling 475, family 492. > > 63. Ibid. > > 64. Ibid. > > 65. Ibid. > > 66. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, > civil district 5, > Rutledge post office, page 436B, dwelling, 483 family 483. > > 67. Billie Wyrick Kennerly, Grainger County Marriage Records, 1: 98. > > 68. Ibid., 2:132. > > 69. Larry L. Hodge, "James G. Mayes-Grainger County," online > <http://genforum.genealogy.com/mayes> 28 June 2000. > > 70. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, > civil district 5, > Rutledge post office, page 436B, dwelling, 483 family 483. > > 71. Ibid. > > 72. Ibid. > > 73. Ibid. > > 74. Ibid. > > 75. Ibid. > > > > > > > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] >

Gail Yes, I would be interesting to find out....I had wondered if it could possibly be Edward MAYES....because I do not know where Sarah Roach was on the 1850 Census....who might she be living with?, she was not with her parents whom you might add to your Pedigree Chart..... they were Father: John Green ROACH Mother: Margeret Elizabeth MCDANIEL <<< It would also be interesting to find out who was the father of Sarah ROACH > MAYES's two oldest children. Probably not Edward. >>> Gail

Dear Sheri, Once again I HEARTILY recommend checking out some of the great URLs I have already sent you. (Also I believe that Ray sent you J. T. Mayes website URL) Really some dedicated researchers on Sherrod's line. I know there is a lot of criticism about what the internet has done to genealogy, but some of the available information on Sherrod really illustrates the web's best use. Sherrod's son William Mayes's will is online at Selena's website. http://uneedspeed.net/~sdulac/WMayesWilliam1853.htm William's son Willam Smith Mayes family bible record is online at Selena's site: http://uneedspeed.net/~sdulac/BIBMayesWlliamS.htm as is that of another son Joel Crowder Mayes http://uneedspeed.net/~sdulac/BIBMayesJoelC.htm Also see deed record of William Mays the Father-in-Law of Sherrod's son William (YES, this IS very confusing) online at Selena's site: http://uneedspeed.net/~sdulac/ESTMayWBiggerstaff1818.htm There is a picture of William Mayes's tombstone (son of Sherrod) online at J. T. Mayes website http://members.aol.com/may5es/wmstone.html Also see the marriage record of William Mayes (son of Sherrod ) to his first wife Susannah Mayes Bridges at J. T. Mayes's site http://members.aol.com/jtmayes1/wmmarriage.html Also at J. T.'s website a biography Of William Mayes which should clear up some of your confusions re William Mayes and his wives Susannah Mayes Bridges and Nancy May http://members.aol.com/jtmayes1/wmmarriage.html Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheri P. Kelly <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 08:05 Subject: [TNGRAING-L] Nancy May Question > > Good Morning List: > I am back with another Mayes question. I have a Nancy May b 10/11/1813, d 11/01/1907. She married a William Mayes in Sumner Co., TN on 05/31/1847. Would anyone know which William Mayes married her? This William's first wife was mary Hobdy. I have a printout which indicates that William Franklin Mayes was the man who married her but information I already have indicates that a Nancy May married William, son of Sherrod. This William's first spouse was Susannah Mays. > Are there two Nancy May women? I have seen posts on the list which could indicate this and would like to clear up my own confusion if possible. Thanks in advance for any help anyone will share. > Sheri > > > > Sheri P. Kelly [email protected] ' Genealogy is Perpetual' > > VA, NC, TN, & KY: COFFEY-COLLINS-GREEN-HICKS-JONES-JORDAN-PERRY-RUSSELL. > > SC & AL: McCOOL-MILLS-McCOOL-SEGREST-THRASHER-WOOD > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > > > ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] >

Grace, Gail, Debra, et al, I have not read all of the Mayes messages, but thought I should jump in when the Kidwells came up. One of my grandfather Cameron's 2nd cousins married James Wesley Taylor Kidwell. Here is information on this line which I extracted from "Grainger County Tennessee and its People 1796-1998". I did not extract the information on the other Kidwells, only on those who are descended from James Wesley Taylor and Sara/Sarah Virginia (Cameron) Kidwell. I can check the book for other Kidwell data if that is still needed. One of J. W. T. and S. V. Kidwell's descendants married one of my distant Moore cousins. They live in Rutledge. From "Grainger County Tennessee and its People 1796-1998" (I'll have to get you the article and page number) Sara Virginia Cameron [daughter of Frederick C. Cameron and Mary E. Kinder] born Oct 1861 mar. James Wesley Taylor Kidwell son of James Sterling Kidwell [Co. C, 4th Tenn. Cav.] and (?) born Nov 1861 children: 3 sons 6 daughters including Alvin C. Kidwell, born July 1884 Lonzo Kidwell, born Jan 1886 Rosa L. Kidwell, born 6 Jul 1886/1887 Alta R. Kidwell, born Feb. 1889 Alice M. Kidwell, born Oct 1890 Mary L. Kidwell, born May 1892 Ila B., Kidwell, born Jun 1894 John T. Kidwell, born Jun 1896 daughter Kidwell, born Rosa L. Kidwell born 6 Jul 1886/1887 died 1972 mar. 1915 Robert Clyde Kennedy son of James Kennedy and Mary Ellen Sunderland born 10 Dec 1881, Rutledge, Grainger Co., Tenn. children: J. T. Kennedy Beulah Kennedy Virginia Kennedy There is additional information in the book on these three Kennedy children and their descendants, but I have deleted it from this message because these people may still be living. I have additional information from other sources on James Wesley Taylor Kidwell and Sarah Virginia (Cameron) Kidwell and their descendants. I would be interested in exchanging information on this branch of the Kidwell line if you all have more information about their descendants. Gail, do you have anything on them in the file which you referenced: "My John Kidwell file which I pulled yesterday includes a 55 page descendency report." My other connections to the Mayes family are by marriage and I have not researched the Mayes surname. My great, great grandfather James Cameron's second wife, by whom he had no children, was Rachel M. (Grove) Dodson, whose parents were Reuben Grove and Nancy Mayes, according to the biography of Rachel's brother George H. Grove. James Cameron born 23 Dec 1819, Grainger Co., Tenn. died c. 1886, Grainger Co., Tenn. mar., 1st, 10 Sep. 1842, Grainger Co., Tenn. Katherine Clark born 8 Feb. 1818, Tennessee died c. 1860-1868, Grainger Co., Tenn. children: William M. Cameron, born 1 Jul 1843, Grainger Co., Tenn. Nelson Cameron, born 18 Jul 1845, Grainger Co., Tenn. James Taylor Cameron, born 25 Jun 1848. Grainger Co., Tenn. Hardin Cameron, born 20 Jan 1851, Grainger Co., Tenn. John A. Cameron, born 21 Oct 1853, Grainger Co., Tenn. Mary C. Cameron, born 7 Jul 1856, Grainger Co., Tenn. Tennessee Cameron, born 8 Aug 1860, Grainger Co., Tenn. mar., 2nd, 3 Nov. 1868, Grainger Co., Tenn. Rachel M. (Grove) Dodson daughter of Reuben Grove and Nancy Mayes born c. 1830, Tenn. mar., 1st, 25 Apr 1848, Grainger Co., Tenn. James M. Dodson children of Dodson and Grove: John R. Dodson, born ca. 1849, Tenn. Columbus Temperance/Tempy G. Dodson, born ca. 1857, Tenn. William James Dodson, born 17 Dec. 1859, Tenn. David/F. J. Dodson, born ca. 1863, Tenn. Nancy/Norah Dodson, born ca. 1865, Tenn. children of Cameron and (Grove) Dodson: none Notes: Marriage License for James Cameron to Rachael Dotson, issued 3 November 1868. I solemnized the rites of matrimony between the above named parties on the 3d day of Nov 1868, J. H. Carmichael, M. G. [Minister of the Gospel]. (Grainger County, Marriage Book, p. 99) Marriage License Bond for James M. Dodson to Rachel M. Grove, 25 April 1848. (Grainger County, Marriage Bonds) George H. Grove identifies himself as a brother-in-law of James Cameron in his affidavit on behalf of the claim of James Cameron, Records of the Southern Claims Commission, Record Group 217, National Archives, Washington, DC) George H. Grove, planter, and clerk and master of chancery court, was born 19 March 1832, the son of Reuben and Nancy (Mayes) Grove. (Biographical Sketch of George H. Grove, Goodspeed's History of Tennessee: Thirty East Tennessee Counties, p. 1154.) And my other Mayes connection is through the Owens family to the Camerons, the former of which has also been discussed. Nancie A. "Nan" Cameron born ca. 1861, Grainger County, Tennessee died 1922, near Plano, Texas res., ca. 1884- ca. 1889, Greene Co., Missouri, res., ca. 1889 - 1922, Collin Co., Texas mar. ca. 1877 William Owens son of Robert Owens and Nancy Mayes born 1851, Grainger County, Tennessee died 12 March 1934, County Alms House, Springfield, Greene County, Missouri buried, without tombstone, County Farm, Springfield, Greene County, Missouri children: Calona Owens, born 5 Sep 1878, Grainger Co., Tennessee Henry Owens, born ca. 1881, Grainger Co., Tennessee Sam Owens, born 21 Jan 1882, Grainger Co., Tennessee Charles, born 18 Dec 1886, Joplin, Jasper Co., Missouri Dennis Owens, born 5 Nov 1898, near Sulphur Springs, Collin Co., Texas Edgar Owens, born 2 Sep 1900, near Sulphur Springs, Collin Co., Texas Ross Cameron >>> [email protected] 03/10/03 01:12PM >>> Gail, I missed this in my first post. This also from "Descendants of John Kidwell" compiled by Priscilla Kidwell. "The following stastics were copied from the Bible of John Henderson Kidwell and sent to us by the courtsey of Pearl Kidwell of Rutledge, Tenn. James S. Kidwell born March 16, 1826 Mary May born Dec 30, 1824 Unites in Marriage Feb 25, 1849 William W. Kidwell born May 29, 1850 John Henderson Kidwell born Oct 5, 1853 Samuel Lee Kidwell born Oct 2, 1856 Wesley Taylor Kidwell born Nov 18, 1860 Samuel Lee Kidwell died as a youth. James S. Kidwell died in a Rebel Prison Camp in 1865 as a prisoner of war. Mary Kidwell died Feb 19, 1882 William W. Kidwell died August 16, 1895" Grace ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected]

Dear researchers, I considered not even including John Mayes in this family group although I believe that he is Edwatd's son. (I might also have written to various researchers on this list that I have gotten really wary of "marrying off" various members of the Mayes family solely on the basis of a marriage record due to the Mayes tendency to give their children the same names.) However, the oldest child listed in John and Mary's houshold in 1850 was Jesse L. aged 5. There was also a James G. <grin> aged 3. There were Hodges living close to the Edward Mayes family (BTW the name was spelled Hodges. There were Hodge families and Hodges families in Grainger County and I am not sure how or even IF they are all connected.) Anyway I DO think that John IS the John who married Mary Hodges. The marriage took place 28 October 1843 (approximately the right date). I don't think that the fact that John was designated as John, Jr. on the marriage means much. Even at this time the Grainger County records still use Jr. to designate older and younger people of the same name rather than just father and son. FURTHERMORE Eli Greenlee was bondsman for this marriage. However, I did want to include a word of caution re John's relationship to Edward. Also I have been unable to find out what happened to Major Mayes. OR to little William son of Edward's marriage to Sarah Roach although I do agree with Shar that it would be interesting to find out. There was also apparently another son, but so far I have found this son only listed on the internet (no sources) and I want to check this out a little further. It would also be interesting to find out who was the father of Sarah ROACH MAYES's two oldest children. Probably not Edward. OTOH it is interesting to speculate as to why Edward remarried after being so long a widower. It has been my experience that widowers either marry again very quickly or never remarry at all. Gail

Re: Sources I can't make the URL for Shiloh Cemetery where James G. and Martha McDaniel Mayes are buried work today. The Cemetery was transcribed by Sam Mayes a descendent of James G and Martha. It doesn't look like Sam has had much time to work on his web page for a very long time, but the cemtery URL still worked a couple of days ago. I do have a printout as you can see. (I just print everything out. The printer runs all the time around here. My John Kidwell file which I pulled yesterday includes a 55 page descendency report.<grin). I hope the cemetery transcription disappearance is just temporary or that Sam has moved it somewhere else. It was really neat and illustrative of the fact that internet can be a serious genealogy source. However, the worst problem is that links tend to vanish. You won't be able to make the genealogy.com URLS work either. I considered waiting before I posted the family groupd, but decided to go ahead. There was a message at GenForum that they would be down for routine maintenance today. Gail

__________________________________________________________________________ Family Group Subject* Edward MAYES1,2,3 Birth* cir __ ___ 1795 Henry County, Virginia.4,5 Marriage* 23 Dec 1814 Grainger County, Tennessee.6 Marriage* 17 Feb 1853 Sarah ROACH (circa 1823-before 1860); Grainger County, Tennessee.7 Death* 1860-1866 Grainger County, Tennessee.8,9 Father* Liggen MAYES (circa 1767- ) Mother* Esther DANIEL (circa 1776- ) __________________________________________________________________________ Spouse* Nancy GREENLEE10,11,12 Birth* __ ___ 1798 Rutledge, Graunger County, Tennessee.13 Death* bef __ ___ 1840 most likely Grainger County, Tennessee.14 Father* John GREENLEE Sr. (Oct 1775- ) Mother* Elizabeth SUNDERLAND __________________________________________________________________________ Eight Children __________________________________________________________________________ ?/F Phebe MAYES15,16,17 Birth* __ ___ 1817 Grainger County, Tennessee.18 __________________________________________________________________________ ?/M John MAYES19,20,21 Birth* __ ___ 1821 Grainger County, Tennessee.22,23 Marriage* 28 Oct 1843 Mary HODGES (1826- ); Grainger County, Tennessee.24 __________________________________________________________________________ ?/F Mary MAYES25,26,27 Birth* 30 Dec 1824 Grainger County, Tennessee.28 Marriage* 25 Feb 1849 James Stirling KIDWELL (16 Mar 1827-02 Feb 1865); Grainger County, Tennessee.29 Death* 19 Feb 1882 Grainger County, Tennessee. __________________________________________________________________________ ?/F Elizabeth MAYES30,31,32 Birth* __ ___ 1826 Grainger County, Tennessee.33 Marriage* cir __ ___ 1849 David YATES (circa 1827- )34 __________________________________________________________________________ ?/F Nancy MAYES35,36,37 Birth: 28 Jun 1826 Grainger County, Tennessee.38 Birth* cir __ ___ 1828 Grainger County, Tennessee.39,40 Marriage* 02 Dec 1847 Robert OWENS (1829-16 Oct 1899); Grainger County, Tennessee.41 Death* 22 May 1899 42 Burial* __ ___ ____Dodson Cemetery, Greene County, Missouri.43 __________________________________________________________________________ ?/M James G. MAYES44,45,46 Birth* 31 Dec 1830 Grainger County, Tennessee.47 Marriage* 19 Oct 1848 Martha MCDANIEL (22 Oct 1833-09 Aug 1891); Grainger County, Tennessee.48,49 Death* 10 Sep 1910 50 Burial* __ ___ ____Shiloh Methodist Church Cemetery, near Rutledge, Grainger County, Tennessee.51 __________________________________________________________________________ ?/F Julia Caroline MAYES52,53,54 Birth* __ ___ 1832 Grainger County, Tennessee.55 Marriage* 12 Dec 1851 Hamilton ROACH (circa 1831-between 1900 and 1910); Grainger County, Tennessee.56 Death* __ ___ 1917 Grainger County, Tennessee.57 __________________________________________________________________________ ?/M Major L. MAYES58,59,60 Birth* cir __ ___ 1835 Grainger County, Tennessee.61 __________________________________________________________________________ Printed on: 11 Mar 2003 Prepared by: Gail Roorda Page 1 __________________________________________________________________________ Family Group Subject* Edward MAYES62,63,64 Birth* cir __ ___ 1795 Henry County, Virginia.65,66 Marriage* 23 Dec 1814 Nancy GREENLEE (1798-before 1840); Grainger County, Tennessee.67 Marriage* 17 Feb 1853 Grainger County, Tennessee.68 Death* 1860-1866 Grainger County, Tennessee.69,70 Father* Liggen MAYES (circa 1767- ) Mother* Esther DANIEL (circa 1776- ) __________________________________________________________________________ Spouse* Sarah ROACH Birth* cir __ ___ 1823 Grainger County, Tennessee. Death* bef __ ___ 1860 71 Father* Mother* __________________________________________________________________________ One Child __________________________________________________________________________ ?/M William MAYES72,73,74 Birth* cir __ ___ 1854 Grainger County, Tennessee.75 __________________________________________________________________________ Page 2 __________________________________________________________________________ Endnotes 1. David Yates household, 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, Civil District 5, page 34B, dwelling 475, family 492, 07 September 1850, National Archives micropublication M432, roll 88. 2. Ibid. 3. Ibid. 4. Ibid. 5. Edward Mayes household, 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 5, Rutledge post office, page 436B, dwelling, 483 family 483, 16 July 1860, National Archives micropublication M653, roll 1250. 6. Billie Wyrick Kennerly, compiler, Grainger County Marriage Records, Vol 1 1796-1837 & Vol. 2 1838-1866 (Houston, Texas: Herb Fisher Company, 1964), 1: 98, microcopy, Tennessee State Library and Archives, Nashville, Tennessee. 7. Ibid., 2:132. 8. Larry L. Hodge <[email protected]>, Heirs of Edward Mayes, dec'd to John Mayes land record dated 14 February 1866, "James G. Mayes-Grainger County," Mayes Family Genealogy Forum, online <http://genforum.genealogy.com/mayes> posted 28 June 2000, printout dated 31 August 2001. 9. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 5, Rutledge post office, page 436B, dwelling, 483 family 483. 10. Ron Mayes,compiler, "The Mayes Family Archives." Online at http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com: Rootsweb World Connect Project, last updated 31 October 2002 by Bice ([email protected]), printout dated 16 February 2003. 11. Ibid. 12. Ibid. 13. Ibid. 14. Edward Mayes household, 1840 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, page 192, line 27Nancy Greenlee Mayes most likely died before the 1840. Edward's household in 1840 did not include a female old enough to be Nanie. 15. Larry L. Hodge, "James G. Mayes-Grainger County," online <http://genforum.genealogy.com/mayes> 28 June 2000. 16. Ibid. 17. Ibid. 18. David Yates household, 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 5, written page 69, dwelling 498 family 498, 16 July 1860, National Archives micropublication M653, roll 1250. 19. John Mayse household, 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, Civil District 5, page 34A & 34B, dwelling 474, family 491, 07 September 1850, National Archives micropublication M432, roll 88. 20. Ibid. 21. Ibid. 22. Ibid. 23. John Mays household, 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 5, page 437A dwelling 485, family 485, 16 July 1860, National Archives micropublication M653, roll 1250. 24. Billie Wyrick Kennerly, Grainger County Marriage Records, 2: 132. 25. Larry L. Hodge, "James G. Mayes-Grainger County," online <http://genforum.genealogy.com/mayes> 28 June 2000. 26. Ibid. 27. Ibid. 28. James Kidwell household, 1850 US census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 2, page 16B, dwelling 225, family 237, 22 August 1850, National Archives micropublication M432, roll 88. 29. Byron and Barbara Sistler, compiler, Early East Tennessee Marriages, Volumes 1 & 2, (Nashville, Tennessee: Byron Sistler and Associates, Inc., 1987), 2: 235. Hereinafter cited as Early East Tennessee Marriages. 30. Larry L. Hodge, "James G. Mayes-Grainger County," online <http://genforum.genealogy.com/mayes> 28 June 2000. 31. Ibid. 32. Ibid. 33. 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, Civil District 5, page 34B, dwelling 475, family 492. 34. Ibid. 35. Larry L. Hodge, "James G. Mayes-Grainger County," online <http://genforum.genealogy.com/mayes> 28 June 2000. 36. Ibid. 37. Ibid. 38. Sharon Roach, Robert and Nancy Mayes Owens tombstone transcriptions in "Owens and Mayes," listserve message to [email protected], 06 March 2003. Printout dated 07 March 2003. 39. Robert Owens household, 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, Civil District 5, page 32 dwelling 441, family 458, 06 September 1850, National Archives micropublication M432, roll 88. 40. Robert Owens household, 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 4, page 434B, dwelling 445 family 445, 14 July 1860, National Archives micropublication M653, roll 1250. 41. William Owens, "Nancy Mayes," e-mail message from <[email protected]> to Gail Ryan Roorda, 14 February 2003. 42. Sharon Roach, Robert and Nancy Mayes Owens tombstone transcriptions in "Owens and Mayes," listserve message 06 March 2003. 43. Ibid. 44. Larry L. Hodge, "James G. Mayes-Grainger County," online <http://genforum.genealogy.com/mayes> 28 June 2000. 45. Ibid. 46. Ibid. 47. Samuel Mayes, transcriber, "Shiloh Methodist Church Cemetery," online <http://www.geocities/Heartland/Estates/3937/shiloh.htm>, Samuel Mayes, webmaster [email protected], (202 North 10th Street, Middlesboro, KY, 40965), printout dated 28 June 2000, Samuel Mayes is a descendent of James G. and Martha Mcdaniel Mayes. 48. Ibid. 49. Billie Wyrick Kennerly, Grainger County Marriage Records, 2:132. 50. Samuel Mayes, Shiloh Cemetery, 28 June 2000, Samuel Mayes is a descendent of James G. and Martha Mcdaniel Mayes. 51. Ibid. 52. Larry L. Hodge, "James G. Mayes-Grainger County," online <http://genforum.genealogy.com/mayes> 28 June 2000. 53. Ibid. 54. Ibid. 55. Hamilton Roach household, 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 5, Rutledge post office page 445B, dwelling, 615, family 615, 20 July 1860, National Archives micropublication M653, roll 1250. 56. Sistler, Early East Tennessee Marriages, 2: 235. 57. Julia Caroline Roach entry, Partial Index To Tennessee Death Records 1914-1925, Tennessee State Library and Archives, online <http://www.state.tn.us/sos/statelib/pubsvs/death.htm#index>, Accessed 07 March 2003. 58. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 5, written page 69, dwelling 498 family 498. 59. Ibid. 60. Ibid. 61. Ibid. 62. 1850 U. S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, Civil District 5, page 34B, dwelling 475, family 492. 63. Ibid. 64. Ibid. 65. Ibid. 66. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 5, Rutledge post office, page 436B, dwelling, 483 family 483. 67. Billie Wyrick Kennerly, Grainger County Marriage Records, 1: 98. 68. Ibid., 2:132. 69. Larry L. Hodge, "James G. Mayes-Grainger County," online <http://genforum.genealogy.com/mayes> 28 June 2000. 70. 1860 U.S. census, Grainger County, Tennessee, population schedule, civil district 5, Rutledge post office, page 436B, dwelling, 483 family 483. 71. Ibid. 72. Ibid. 73. Ibid. 74. Ibid. 75. Ibid.

Good Morning List: I am back with another Mayes question. I have a Nancy May b 10/11/1813, d 11/01/1907. She married a William Mayes in Sumner Co., TN on 05/31/1847. Would anyone know which William Mayes married her? This William's first wife was mary Hobdy. I have a printout which indicates that William Franklin Mayes was the man who married her but information I already have indicates that a Nancy May married William, son of Sherrod. This William's first spouse was Susannah Mays. Are there two Nancy May women? I have seen posts on the list which could indicate this and would like to clear up my own confusion if possible. Thanks in advance for any help anyone will share. Sheri Sheri P. Kelly [email protected] ' Genealogy is Perpetual' VA, NC, TN, & KY: COFFEY-COLLINS-GREEN-HICKS-JONES-JORDAN-PERRY-RUSSELL. SC & AL: McCOOL-MILLS-McCOOL-SEGREST-THRASHER-WOOD --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online

Donna - You might also want to take a look at the Grainger Co. book if you haven't already done so. There are several Ballinger/Ballenger, and only one Trogden - that being Elvira Trogden that married Rice Coffey 17 June 1839. Looks like the submitter reports Rice as being the son of Meredith Coffee, who was an ancestor of --- what else? --- a Roach. Thomas Edward Roach published a newsletter of sorts about the Roach family for some years. I think I have copies of most, if not all, of those publications. He died - I don't know how many years ago - and 12+ years ago, the publication was no longer exclusively Roach. I don't know whether or not it is still in existance. Betty B. From: "Donna De Graw" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [TNGRAING-L] 1796-1837 marriages records Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:50:30 -0800 Could some one do a lookup and see if there is a marriage record for a Henry Ballinger/Ballenger married to a Trogdon/Trogden. PLEASE. The marriage would of been about 1807 in Grainger County. Sincerely Donna Loving this business! Donna De Graw Creative Memories Consultant 300 SW 28th Drive Apt 26 Pendleton, Oregon 97801 e-mail [email protected] Tele: 541-278-6023 "Simple Pages, Completed Albums, We've the one who help you get it done!" Creative Memories - we are the one who help you get it done! ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Looks like Grace has taken care of business, so I won't respond further unless I am asked to look at the Grainger County book anyway. Betty B. From: "Betty B" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TNGRAING-L] The family of Edward Mayes Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:59:11 +0000 I mentioned the book in connection with a post on Adkins/Atkins. There are several entries in the book for Kidwell. I have to go to work, so I don't have the time this morning, but if someone else does not, then I will answer this afternoon. Most of the pieces in the book are written by descendants of the families, but most of them give a name and mailing address, and I saw one that mentions Bittle/Biddle and Greenlee and Rev. John Kidwell that specifically states she would be happy to hear from anyone about these family lines. Kathy B. Isbell, 717 Brookgreen Terrace, Graham NC, 27253. Later, Betty From: "Gail Roorda" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [TNGRAING-L] The family of Edward Mayes Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 23:10:39 -0600 Debra said, "His sons fought for the Union in the 49th KY." This has nothing to do with the Rookards, but with the children of Edward Mayes. This morning as I was getting ready to post my information on Edward's family to the list (I DO need to check this information re Janes S. Kidwell out some more) and it occured to me that Mary Mayes husband, James S. Kidwell was most likely dead by the time the 1866 land document was filed. I know that it supposedly says Mary Mayes wife of James S. Kidwell (and undoubtedly does say this since I have a grreat deal of faith in Larry's transcriptions). However, Mary was most likely the "widow" of James S. Kidwell. Note that the reference to Mary is different from the other entries regarding the daughters and sons-in-law. Every now and then various pieces of infromation come together in my tiny mind. <grin> There was a Catherine Kidwell aged 62 listed in James and Mary Mayes Kidwell's household in 1850. I believe that this would be Catherine Wolf Kidwell second wife (and widow) of John Kidwell. I am not descended from Reverand John (that I know of anyway), but my lots of my relatives intermarried with this family. It runs in my mind James S. Kidwell died in Andersonville Prison. (It seems from my research that a lot more of my relatives and their connections died in various prison camps north and south than died in battle.) Somebody mentioned Grainger County Tennessee and its People 1796-1998". I understand there is a section on the Kidwells and I wonder if someone could do a lookup and see if there is anything about James S. or James Stirling Kidwell. Why would the reference to the Rookards who were Union men trigger this msg, (I am actually wondering how coherent this post is <grin> since it is getting very late here.) Apparently Mary Mayes's husband was a Confederate, however, the Greenlees (remember Mary Mayes Kidwell's mother was Nancy Greenlee) were Union men (I did find some interesting things about the Greenlees online). More tomorrow guys (I am about to fall off my chair.) Bye for Now, Gail in MO ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ==== TNGRAING Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE please send your message to [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus