Your recollection is absolutely correct, George. Johnson County was indeed delinked from the TNGenWeb for a couple of weeks last summer. The basic issue was over CONTROL, just as it is now! We did everything that was asked of us. However, in my heart I knew it was a matter of time before it would happen again to somebody somewhere. Sure enough it happened - only this time with far more reaching affects. You want unkind statements? Some of the most unkind (putting it mildly) statements come from people in the camp for status quo. You know who I'm talking about George. If our banning and speaking out causes just one person to check out what's happening and to research for themselves just what's going on, it will have been worth it. Mary Floy of Johnson County and proud of it and of Pam!! P.S. I do admire the way though, that you turned this situation around to bring up something that was settled months ago. At 09:02 PM 1/30/99 -0500, George Waller wrote: >My recollection is that TNGenWeb recently had to suspend the Johnson County >coordinators for intemperate and unkind statements here on TNGEN-L. >George of Lincoln > >On 30 Jan 99 at 20:53, TNGEN-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> Dear Nancy and TNGenWeb Coordinators, >> >> We have redesigned the Johnson County Genealogy page and we have resigned from >> the TNGenWeb and the USGenWeb. What with Pam being banned from every list >> housed on the rootsweb server, including the TNGen-l (required for TN CCs) and >> TNChat lists, she has been unable to either post or receive any messages. >> Just to make it clear, the banned four cannot post or receive messages to ANY >> list on RW. That means surname or county lists. That also means, if their >> pages were on rootsweb (which they're not) they would not be able to FTP >> updated pages. I don't know if you're aware of that. As for me the power >> supply to my computer fried and I'm waiting for it to be fixed. Until then, >> I'm using my old computer and I know once again why I bought a new one. >> >> How many of you who are "list owners" of county and/or surname lists on >> Rootsweb are aware someone other than you can sub and unsub people without >> your permission or knowledge? And that you can do absolutely nothing to >> prevent it? >> >> But, please let me make one thing clear...we KNOW that neither Bridgett or >> Nancy did the unsubbing, it was done either by Brian Levrich, owner of >> Rootsweb, or he had someone else from Rootsweb do it. On the other hand, a >> couple of days after the four were banned, a statement from the Advisory Board >> of USGW was made that they backed Brian's actions. Again, no word, no >> contact, no nothing. Not even from Bridgett the TNGenWeb State Coordinator >> who is also on the USGW Advisory Board. Why not, Bridgett, why not?? >> >> Nancy, "tiring" is an understatement. Do you have any idea what its like to >> be tried in a public forum for no reason and not be able to defend yourself? >> That is exactly what happened to Pam, Carol Dean, Susan Cook and Teresa >> Lindquist. Several people, including me, have asked on the ALL list to please >> list the exact reasons for their banning. We received no response at all >> except negative responses from people who have taken it waaaay beyond anything >> resembling the truth! As to being with the "wrong people", I don't know what >> that means or what makes them the "wrong people". Unfortunately most >> volunteers don't know what really happened. >> >> As for the buttons on Johnson County page, they are/were meant to make fun of >> the whole silly situation. But I guess they can also serve as a warning to >> other "list owners". It can happen to them too. >> >> If anyone from TNGen web management or even SE/ME had sent one e-mail to >> Pam, to show an ounce of concern over her being banned from project >> communication, it might have been a whole lot different. >> >> The banning of the "Rootsweb 4" was for 30 days. At the end of that time, >> they MAY be allowed back on a case to case basis. No criteria has been made >> as to what they need to do to come back in good stead. They did nothing to >> apologize for or to retract. What other choice do Pam and I have but to >> resign! And so, Johnson County has resigned from the USGW/TNGenWeb project. >> June 1996 was when I started with TNGenWeb and I think my first upload was in >> July or August 1996. Pam became Co-Coordinator the following year and I bless >> her every day since. The URL for the pages will remain the same since none >> are on Rootsweb. The same goes for the Johnson County mail list. The JCT >> researchers will not lose. They have always been our first priority. We will >> continue on the same course we've been following all this time. >> >> For me its truly sad to see the political direction USGW is going. On the >> other hand, incorporating Tennessee should go a long way to taking power away >> from the top or wherever its coming from. >> >> Mary Floy and Pam >> >> >> Mary Floy Katzman >> maryfloy@mkatzman.tiac.net > > >==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== >Be sure to send your updates to this mailing list to be >included on the "What's New" page. > > > > Mary Floy Katzman maryfloy@mkatzman.tiac.net ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ American Local History Network (ALHN) http://www.rootsquest.com/~amhisnet Johnson County, TN Genealogy http://www.tiac.net/users/mkatzman/jct/johnmain.html List Owner of the TNJOHNSO-L mail list. 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