I've been without power because of this last storm for a day, now, and am expecting another day without power. So, please send any uploads to someone else, until this weekend. Thanks, Anne

Sorry should have went to another list. Chip Union County TnGenWeb

Answer: Question 1: Yes please do feel free to link to our search page. As a matter of fact if you would like I can send you one of our logos with the html for you to cut and paste to create a graphic link to us on your page. Question 2: We store it on AOL because we like their cgi. We will probably move it to our own domain (www.maynardville.com) very soon. We will keep both pages operational so you should see no change if you link to the aol page now. http://members.aol.com/graxx/engine.html Question 3: All of the links were done with permission from the engines. Most all of them will allow you to put an engine on your page if you ask. Look at the engine you want to link to. Somewhere on the page there will be a link to us area. You may have to go through FAQ, About Us, services or something to find it. Question 4: The weather link on the homepage took a bit of doing. We tried several but chose Wunderground as the best. They provided a means to put scrolling local weather on our homepage. Thanks for your kind comments on our new page, we continue to work hard on it. The final version should be up within a month complete with classifieds. Good luck on your own homepage and let us know when you are done. I would be glad to see it. Chip Maynardville.Com

Folks, will be signing off again until tomorrow -- my hubby and I have another chance to do the town and get in some air conditioning. IF you need help with something please contact Nancy. Bridgett ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/

Come by and see the latest Scott Co, TN changes. Besides the usual query updates, the following changes were made on 20 Jul 98: New pages added Scott Co, TN Mail List (briefly describes the Scott Co, TN mail list and how to subscribe and unsubscribe) Scott Co, TN Lookups (lists individuals willing to perform lookups in various books they own) Pages removed Scott Co, TN Other Web Pages (page was too hard to keep up to date with the forever changing URLs for some of the sites listed -- besides the page was rarely visited) Scott Co, TN Death Records Added death of Brenda Bell and obituary Added death of Roy Vernon Cadle, Jr. and obituary Added death of Amandia Gibson and death certificate (courtesy of Carol McVey) Added death of William Gibson and death certificate (courtesy of Carol McVey) Added death of Robert W. Huegle and obituary Added death of Rulford "Doc" Huling and obituary Scott Co, TN Family Reunions Added Sexton family reunion Scott Co, TN Genealogy and Historical Societies Corrected the address and phone number for the Morgan County Genealogical and Historical Society Added phone number for Scott County Historical Society Scott Co, TN History Added links to Tennessee Blue Book (the official manual of Tennessee state government, includes information on elected officials, the various branches and agencies of state government, historic and statistical data and election returns) Scott Co, TN Homepage Added USIT logo (at request of server provider) Scott Co, TN Newspapers Added link to a complete listing of Tennessee Newspapers on microfilm at the Tennessee State Library and Archives Scott Co, TN Research Helps Added link to Scott Co, TN Mail List Added link to Scott Co, TN Lookups Changed display style for the listed links Scott Co, TN War Records Added link to Southern Claims Commission in 1871-1873 (A listing of the 4,000 Tennesseans who applied for restitituion of damages inflicted by the Union Army on their property during the Civil War - courtesy of the TSLA) Scott Co, TN West Family Members Cemeteries Completed the list of West Family members buried in Scott Co, TN cemeteries General fixes Changed all "www.tngenweb.usit.com" URL references to "www.tngenweb.org" ...tim west... Scott Co, TN Coordinator for the TNGenWeb Project http://www.tngenweb.org/scott

Greetings all, "State Incorporations, Questions for candidates" Candidate Tim Stowell asked two questions in reply. (The original thread is below the answers.) Tim Stowell's first question: "I'm still not sure what benefits accrue to the CCs that they don't already have by incorporating at a state or county level. Would you care to elaborate or educate us as to what are these supposed benefits?" Answer: Since I never exercised my teaching credential, I will not assume to "educate" anyone. I will however, I will try to answer with my *ever so humble* opinions. First, all references are to incorporation as a nonprofit organization. An incorporated state unit would have the benefit of *Autonomy.* In a properly established set of bylaws, the state unit would have the privilege and obligation to control its internal affairs without interference. An incorporated state unit would have the benefit of *Immortality.* That is to say, by being incorporated, the state unit would go on after the death of any of its leaders. In order to accomplish this, it is mandatory to include in the Charter (Articles of Incorporation) a statement that there will be members, and best if it is stated in that Charter that there will only one class of members. Next, the provisions of membership *must* be included in the bylaws, and that those provisions *must* spell out that all members are equal. The membership provision guarantees that no one person owns the state unit. An incorporated state unit would have the benefit of *Formalized Legality.* That is to say, by being incorporated, the state unit would be registered within the state of its choice, it would be a formalized legal entity. Provided the bylaws were properly drawn, the County Coordinators in the incorporated state unit would be the sole voice via a democratic vote. The CCs could remove the state unit from the USGenWeb project only by a clear and democratic vote. No State Coordinator could remove the state unit from the USGenWeb by committing a lone capricious act. On the other hand, if the USGenWeb Project went sour, that its leadership decided to lead the project in a direction that was unacceptable (i.e. gate fees), it would be easy for an incorporated state unit to remove itself from the project. Actually, separate incorporation of all the state units would offer protection to the USGenWeb Project as a whole. If every state unit was incorporated, then no clique of self serving national politicians would be able to have there way over the states. Yes, I know some say, "if national went bad, I’m out the door." Well, do we really want that? Would it not be better if the ripe plumb – the USGenWeb Project -- was not so lucrative a target? Tim Stowell's second question: "Could this incorporation of the states be a power play by some setting up their own little fiefdoms or the groundwork of a parallel project?" Answer: Could be. I can't answer for all folks across our nation who might have considered incorporation. I can answer for me though. No, I have no desires for fiedoms or kingdoms or even political offices. I would love to see the fighting stop, and see the Project grow the way it should. And I would like to have an formal *trustworthy* entity to which we could "leave" our work when we retire from the project. Unfortunatly, the *trustworthy* entity is not yet the USGen Web Project. To be specific, if you take the time the time to re-read the messages posted over the USGENWEB-ALL-L list over the last two months, you will see a lot of anger, hate, accusations, passion, and most of all, distrust. It is that preponderance of evidence that brings me to my opinions. Respectfully, Fred Smoot, TNGenWeb Tim Stowell wrote: > > At 12:27 PM 7/18/98 -0700, Fred Smoot wrote: > >Greetings all, > > > >1. Will you oppose the efforts of any state unit (XXGenWeb) to > >incorporate as a nonprofit genealogical association, provided that their > >incorporation standards meet or exceed the standards of the USGenWeb > >Project, including, but not limited to the spirit of volunteerism and > >free public access, and further provided that the state unit does NOT > >use the XXGenWeb name in its corporate title? > > > No as long as their proposed bylaws don't try to tread on the standards of > the USGenWeb Project. > > >2. Will you attempt to remove from the USGenWeb Project, or deny access > >to the USGenWeb Project, any state unit that is now incorporated, or > >becomes incorporated, provide that the state unit meets or exceeds the > >standards mentioned in question number one? > > > As long as that state association abided by the rules of the USGenWeb > Project there'd be no need to. But would I personally do so? No, but then > I'd not have but one vote. If it came to that it would be a corporate > decision of either the Board and/or the Project at large. > > > >3. Are you opposed to the use of XXGenWeb names being used in the > >corporate titles of any future state unit incorporation effort? > > > Yes. > > Comments: > > Some questions and musings of my own in return: > > I'm still not sure what benefits accrue to the CCs that they don't already > have by incorporating at a state or county level. Would you care to > elaborate or educate us as to what are these supposed benefits? > > Could this incorporation of the states be a power play by some setting up > their own little fiefdoms or the groundwork of a parallel project? > > Timothy S Stowell email - tstowell@chattanooga.net > Chattanooga, TN > > Candidate for National Coordinator USGenWeb Project - > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndgenweb/elec > > NorthDakotaGenWeb State Coordinator - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndgenweb > > ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== > The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project.

Query updates Marriage records added "Ira Shares" (a new section authored by native Ira Bell, with tidbits about history of area, families, etc.) Will of William Keel Surnames added *****Now a question for you old-timers....about what is a good number of average hits a day? I am trying to figure out if we are doing well or not and don't have a clue!******** Jan (Stewart)

Updates and new "stuff": 1. New on Wilson is about 350k of loose Chancery Court minutes contributed by Judy Phillips. The records have been broken into several units. On the Wilson page choose Research Helps-Court Minutes. 2. There is now a new researcher, greg.tomerlin@nashville.com, who does research into marriage records and census data. Choose Researchers on Wilson. 3. The 1809-1819 Wilson County Court minutes name index is now complete. On the Wilson page choose Research Helps-Court Minutes.

Greeting all, These messages below are part of a thread that was on USGENWEB-ALL-L regarding why the TNGenWeb CCs generally do not have passwords to the TNGenWeb system. As Bridgett is off line, and I have seen no other responses to Tim's posting, I will try to answer Tim's questions. Please remember I am computer illiterate and dyslectic, so ya get what ya get, and no more. Who has the passwords to the system? The RCs do, and of course, our SC and ASC. (I do NOT have the password.) It is a common password for the whole of the system. When TNGenWeb was establish in 1996, Billie McNamara, did the uploads, later neccesity forced the creation of the RC positions to handle the growing number of uploads. Because our system has only one set of passwords, security considerations become important. Billie was never able to setup an agreement with USIT that would allow CCs to access to their individual files only. Tim asks, "Why can't USIT trust the CCs like every other ISP I know of to have their own password?" This is not a matter of USIT trusting the CCs. The policy is one that is a TNGenWeb policy. It is not good thinking to allow all CCs access to all files in every directory. This management desision was made by Billie McNamara. I was a good decision then and it is still valid today. I would guess that USIT does not want to setup individual accounts for the CCS because USIT does not receive money from us. I am sure that any person who so desires to have a private web site housed at USIT could contract with USIT. Our arrange with USIT is a self service deal. I think it might be called a comp account, but in any case, Jim Cole supplies the technical work, not USIT. To USIT, tech time is money - and we don't pay. Rootsweb establishes CC sites as private accounts. It is to their advantage to do so. They do not want every CC to have access to their entire system. If you think that security is not important, look what happen in North Carolina. There the SC tried to take down the whole system. She went ballistic. Rootsweb bailed out NCGenWeb and things are getting back to normal there, but you just never know when some one is going to "flip out." So we just do the best we can with what we got. Fred Smoot >>> Tim Stowell wrote: > > Would it be possible that, like Rootsweb has started to implement > individual accounts have individual password, that after a CC had been a CC > for X period of time that they get a password for their county alone so > that they could upload their files themselves? > > If X private user now has an account at USIT don't they get some webspace > and their own personal password? Why can't USIT trust the CCs like every > other ISP I know of to have their own password? The RC and SC could also > be included in the knowledge of what those passwords are just in case the > CC is away for awhile. > > At 10:47 PM 7/18/98 -0700, Fred Smoot wrote: > >Linda et al, > > > >It is possible that the resason MAY be, if all CCs had the passwords, > >they would also have access to ALL pages, not just their own. On > >TNGenWeb, the RC position is a position of trust. > > > >Fred Smoot, TNGenWeb > > > > > >Linda Russell Lewis wrote: > >> > >> I never could figure that out, even though Billie McNamara tried to > >> explain it to me back in 1996, when she first started TNGenWeb. She said > >> there was a reason for having it set up that way, but I can't remember > >> what it was. > >> > >> Linda > >> > >> Joanne Gruber Abby wrote: > >> > > >> > So the CC's can't access their own files? What happens to them if > they leave? > >> > > >> > Joanne Gruber Abby > >> > > >> > At 12:47 AM 7/19/98, you [Mary Floy Katzman] wrote: > >> > >The CCs who have their pages housed on the Tennessee server in > question, do > >> > >not have FTP capabilities to that server. When updates and additions > are > >> > >made to those county pages, the CC sends those files as an attachment to > >> > > > ==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > > All URL's back to USGenWeb should read: > http://www.usgenweb.org > -- or -- > http://www.usgenweb.net

Would it be possible that, like Rootsweb has started to implement individual accounts have individual password, that after a CC had been a CC for X period of time that they get a password for their county alone so that they could upload their files themselves? If X private user now has an account at USIT don't they get some webspace and their own personal password? Why can't USIT trust the CCs like every other ISP I know of to have their own password? The RC and SC could also be included in the knowledge of what those passwords are just in case the CC is away for awhile. At 10:47 PM 7/18/98 -0700, Fred Smoot wrote: >Linda et al, > >It is possible that the resason MAY be, if all CCs had the passwords, >they would also have access to ALL pages, not just their own. On >TNGenWeb, the RC position is a position of trust. > >Fred Smoot, TNGenWeb > > >Linda Russell Lewis wrote: >> >> I never could figure that out, even though Billie McNamara tried to >> explain it to me back in 1996, when she first started TNGenWeb. She said >> there was a reason for having it set up that way, but I can't remember >> what it was. >> >> Linda >> >> Joanne Gruber Abby wrote: >> > >> > So the CC's can't access their own files? What happens to them if they leave? >> > >> > Joanne Gruber Abby >> > >> > At 12:47 AM 7/19/98, you [Mary Floy Katzman] wrote: >> > >The CCs who have their pages housed on the Tennessee server in question, do >> > >not have FTP capabilities to that server. When updates and additions are >> > >made to those county pages, the CC sends those files as an attachment to >>

Fred et al ... Well said, well stated ... I'm just sorry I got in a hurry and didn't wait on the pixies ! Jane of Obion and Haywood. At 06:20 PM 7/20/98 -0700, Fred Smoot wrote: >Greetings > >This is a brief discussion of TNGenWeb server history to NOW. It is >presented here for the benefit of our newer volunteers. > >For those of you who know this, please exercise your delete option now. > >US Internet is the server for the TNGenWeb. It has been our server since >we started in 1996. USIT, as it is affectionately known, is a private >company located in Knoxville Tennessee. We can say that this arrangement >between TNGenWeb and USIT is a partnership between volunteerism and free >enterprise. > >The arrangement was established by our founding State Coordinator Billie >McNamara. USIT tells us now that it was established on an experimental, >"lets see how it works out," basis. > >>From last December, after Bridgett became SC, and for a few months >thereafter, we were not sure if we would be able to keep USIT as our >server. Our relation with USIT needed to be defined. > >To compound the question, USIT changed our account status, which, among >other things, generated a monthly bill. We did not need to pay this >bill, however, it did show USIT how much in retail terms they gave to us >each month. (Currently, over $700 monthly.) > >Billie McNamara, for some unknown reason was sent the monthly billings, >but she kindly forwarded them to me. USIT began to look at the billings >too, and realized that their service to us was considerable, yet they >received little for their efforts. > >Nancy Cole interceded on our behalf and made an agreement with USIT that >include a "Book Finder" link page, and most importantly NO pop up >banners, or any other kind of invasive advertising. Oh yes, we would >stay on USIT too. > >Strangely, I received a phone call from a USIT "advertising executive" >who had a great interest in the USIT logos that were in use on my pages >and pages of others. He did not know of the arrangement that had been >made. I gave him Bridgett�s and Nancy�s phone numbers. (This is called >the fine art of passing the buck.) > >Well, late last week, the chickens came home to roost. USIT needed their >logo on ALL our pages. > >Pandemonium is the appropriate word for the next event. In the process, >Nancy decides that it would be a cool thing to get her highly talented >son Jim Cole to write a script to handle the logo question. Then came >"whoops." The "whoops" is, nobody got notified. Hence the most diligent >of our CCs, like Athol Foster, got stung the worse because they were too >efficient. > >I have tried to consider the most appropriate way reprove our pixie >culprit, Willow Woman, aka Nancy Cole. I reckon that a one week >suspension without pay might be in order.(But then, who will do my >uploads?) > >And for Athol, who worked so hard to do the right thing, all that I can >say is, sorry buddy. The next time I�m in God�s Country (*Middle* >Tennessee) we will go down to Miss Mary Bobo�s and have dinner (that�s >lunch to you Yankees that hide in Connecticut). > >Some have asked, why do we not just go to Rootsweb. Well, for one thing, >they don�t like domain names. Yes they allow domain names for the >USGenWeb pages, but when Bridgett checked, they declined us that >privilege. They are not keen on graphics either, and we have a 60mg >Indian Treaty Map project in the pipeline. We don�t want to give >Rootsweb folks a conniption fit. > >But somewhere in the future, we might need to look at other options. >Maybe it will be Rootsweb, or our own private server, or maybe the >USGenWeb Project will have their own server for all states. "Don�t know" >is how I see our future, but one thing for sure, we are growing and we >will be best served it we think ahead. > >In the interim, the system pages are being revised so that if and when >we change servers, no one in the outside world will need to change links >to the project, and the internal pages will be movable without >rewriting. > >So in spite of the bumps in the road, we are moving ahead. > >Respectfully, > >Fred Smoot > > >==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > >All URL's back to USGenWeb should read: >http://www.usgenweb.org > -- or -- >http://www.usgenweb.net > > >

Greetings This is a brief discussion of TNGenWeb server history to NOW. It is presented here for the benefit of our newer volunteers. For those of you who know this, please exercise your delete option now. US Internet is the server for the TNGenWeb. It has been our server since we started in 1996. USIT, as it is affectionately known, is a private company located in Knoxville Tennessee. We can say that this arrangement between TNGenWeb and USIT is a partnership between volunteerism and free enterprise. The arrangement was established by our founding State Coordinator Billie McNamara. USIT tells us now that it was established on an experimental, "lets see how it works out," basis. >From last December, after Bridgett became SC, and for a few months thereafter, we were not sure if we would be able to keep USIT as our server. Our relation with USIT needed to be defined. To compound the question, USIT changed our account status, which, among other things, generated a monthly bill. We did not need to pay this bill, however, it did show USIT how much in retail terms they gave to us each month. (Currently, over $700 monthly.) Billie McNamara, for some unknown reason was sent the monthly billings, but she kindly forwarded them to me. USIT began to look at the billings too, and realized that their service to us was considerable, yet they received little for their efforts. Nancy Cole interceded on our behalf and made an agreement with USIT that include a "Book Finder" link page, and most importantly NO pop up banners, or any other kind of invasive advertising. Oh yes, we would stay on USIT too. Strangely, I received a phone call from a USIT "advertising executive" who had a great interest in the USIT logos that were in use on my pages and pages of others. He did not know of the arrangement that had been made. I gave him Bridgett’s and Nancy’s phone numbers. (This is called the fine art of passing the buck.) Well, late last week, the chickens came home to roost. USIT needed their logo on ALL our pages. Pandemonium is the appropriate word for the next event. In the process, Nancy decides that it would be a cool thing to get her highly talented son Jim Cole to write a script to handle the logo question. Then came "whoops." The "whoops" is, nobody got notified. Hence the most diligent of our CCs, like Athol Foster, got stung the worse because they were too efficient. I have tried to consider the most appropriate way reprove our pixie culprit, Willow Woman, aka Nancy Cole. I reckon that a one week suspension without pay might be in order.(But then, who will do my uploads?) And for Athol, who worked so hard to do the right thing, all that I can say is, sorry buddy. The next time I’m in God’s Country (*Middle* Tennessee) we will go down to Miss Mary Bobo’s and have dinner (that’s lunch to you Yankees that hide in Connecticut). Some have asked, why do we not just go to Rootsweb. Well, for one thing, they don’t like domain names. Yes they allow domain names for the USGenWeb pages, but when Bridgett checked, they declined us that privilege. They are not keen on graphics either, and we have a 60mg Indian Treaty Map project in the pipeline. We don’t want to give Rootsweb folks a conniption fit. But somewhere in the future, we might need to look at other options. Maybe it will be Rootsweb, or our own private server, or maybe the USGenWeb Project will have their own server for all states. "Don’t know" is how I see our future, but one thing for sure, we are growing and we will be best served it we think ahead. In the interim, the system pages are being revised so that if and when we change servers, no one in the outside world will need to change links to the project, and the internal pages will be movable without rewriting. So in spite of the bumps in the road, we are moving ahead. Respectfully, Fred Smoot

Hi Everybody, I just wanted let you know what's new on the Benton County web site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnbenton/ Added July 17, 1998: *Photographs added of Thomas Beverly Herrin, James E. Barnes, and Henderson Family *Queries Added Added July 20, 1998: *Civil War Page Added!!! *1996 & 1998 Benton Co. Genealogical Soc. Quarterly Table of Contents Added *Obituary added of Rev. Lemuel Herrin *Beecham, Allen, Barnes and Henderson Surnames added to the Surname Volunteer Page * Daniel's Cemetery added to Database Page I am going on vacation!!!!!!! Alison

Did a lotta good for me. Thanks, Lisa. My sentiments exactly. We are the Tennessee VOLUNTEERS...now I'm not that far outta Tn., born there, got a lotta kin there still and it is still home. Never known em to be anything short of ladies and gentlemen, anything short of neighborly and good willed, and most folks I was acquainted with took their arguments out on the back porch. Let's get with it...we absolutely have the best sites in the nation you ask me, and we won't keep em that way if we waste energy squabbling. How's about we keep the list on the front porch where you work out the technical problems (congenially), pat each other on the back and pass out lemonade? Laugh alot and take pride in the "family" too! I'm right proud of what we got, myself, and I sure do like a front porch attitude and a back porch reserved for those who wanna work on things not conducive to "swangin on the porch". I think they call it southern hospitality... Jan (Stewart) -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Landrum <kid@mvp.net> To: TNGEN-L@rootsweb.com <TNGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [TNGEN-L] Update on the pixies and the elves >I generally stay out of these "discussions" (arguments, hair-pullings, back >bitings what ever you want to call them) but things are getting pretty >ridiculous here! > >Everytime I turn around or sign on to download mail, there is another "cat >fight" over something trivial. If there was ANYWAY I could remove myself >from this list and remain a coordinator I would. People could you PLEASE >just think a minute before you launch into a tirade against someone else? > > Is it REALLY so bad what the "pixies and elves" did?? Did they move your >data around? Did they STEAL it? No! All they were doing is trying to help >and I for one am grateful for the help. Just suppose for a minute they had >waited and asked all the cc's for permission--then what? It would have taken >a week for everyone to hash it all out via the list, weigh the pros and >cons, etc., etc. ad nauseum. (as usual) OR maybe everyone would have said >"SURE!" and then what if it didnt work? We'd have to read the posts about >how so-n-so said they were going to do something and it didnt happen, blah >blah blah. > > Im sorry for rambling but I get SICK of reading post after post from people >who SHOULD be writing directly to the person they have the "problem" with >but instead have to involve the entire list. It reminds me of stuff that >used to go on in grade school (Im not going to be Sally's friend anymore and >im going to tell everyone why so they wont be friends with her either!). > >I probably should have followed my own advice here and held this for a day >and then "recycled" it, but I had to finally get this off my chest! It >probably wont do much good for anyone else but it has already helped me >immensely! Have a good day! > >Lisa >Rutherford Co Coordinator > > > >==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > > >All URL's back to USGenWeb should read: >http://www.usgenweb.org > -- or -- >http://www.usgenweb.net >

I generally stay out of these "discussions" (arguments, hair-pullings, back bitings what ever you want to call them) but things are getting pretty ridiculous here! Everytime I turn around or sign on to download mail, there is another "cat fight" over something trivial. If there was ANYWAY I could remove myself from this list and remain a coordinator I would. People could you PLEASE just think a minute before you launch into a tirade against someone else? Is it REALLY so bad what the "pixies and elves" did?? Did they move your data around? Did they STEAL it? No! All they were doing is trying to help and I for one am grateful for the help. Just suppose for a minute they had waited and asked all the cc's for permission--then what? It would have taken a week for everyone to hash it all out via the list, weigh the pros and cons, etc., etc. ad nauseum. (as usual) OR maybe everyone would have said "SURE!" and then what if it didnt work? We'd have to read the posts about how so-n-so said they were going to do something and it didnt happen, blah blah blah. Im sorry for rambling but I get SICK of reading post after post from people who SHOULD be writing directly to the person they have the "problem" with but instead have to involve the entire list. It reminds me of stuff that used to go on in grade school (Im not going to be Sally's friend anymore and im going to tell everyone why so they wont be friends with her either!). I probably should have followed my own advice here and held this for a day and then "recycled" it, but I had to finally get this off my chest! It probably wont do much good for anyone else but it has already helped me immensely! Have a good day! Lisa Rutherford Co Coordinator

Well since we seem to vote a lot these days I'll run up my tally. 1. I voted yes on incorporation...this was my reason you may have others. USIT deserves something for their contribution. Living in East Tennessee and dealing with USIT from time to time let me say, they are all fine people there...fine people that make money. It just seems to me that they won't continue to give away $700 per month and get nothing in return. With incorporation (non-prof) the bill generated by USIT will become a legal deduction for them. And further with some past performances I feel waiting on USGenWeb to protect us is at best dangerous. 2) About those nasty people changing my page. Blast them all to heck I wanted to do it and gripe for a week because I had to. Now they went and did it for me and I have nothing to gripe about. Guess I could gripe about them fiddlin' with my page but I don't give a hoot. I'm pretty sure people download and print my pages every night. At least I hope people find something worthy of download there. 3) As for Nancy and Bridgett I will say this. I have never been associated with two better more helpful people. They have always answered my questions and tended my pages well for me. Many times they have caught html errors in my pages when they uploaded them. Lets bicker and fuss that's OK but to borderline accuse someone of wrongdoing is less than dignified given the crime they have readily admitted to. 4) My admiration of Nancy and Bridgett carries some weight as I really don't like anyone very much. I've always thought when I get filthy rich I would buy an island somewhere off the coast of the U.S. I would live on this island all alone. I would wear a kettle on my head and throw Spam at anyone who came near my island. 5) Moral of this e-mail: A) This guy must really appreciate the job Nancy and Bridgett do. After all if he dislikes people that much and thinks that much of them they must be allright. or more likely B) What a nut! This guy has too much free time on his hands to send e-mails. Think I'll print this e-mail just in case he goes nuts and starts tossing Spam off a building at passers by. This e-mail will bring me big bucks at the National Enquirer. Typing e-mails as my wife prints stuff, Chip Union County TnGenWeb

Hey Team we are worrying to much let just do our pages and move forward!! One thing i have learned its damn near impossible to tell one's true intent using a key board...i was a FIDO BBS genealogy board serving Nashville for about 4 yrs and we are sounding more like that Dinasour .... RULE NO 1: Even if you read it maybe the intent was something totally different .... My opinion i wish to thank the Pixes & Elves whatever the heck that means ? Now when you read that try reading it using several different tones Remember that before you retaliate verbally and if you must keep it private please ...my delete key will soon need replacing HEHEHEHE!!!!

Fred (and others), Thanks for the clarification. Your comments make perfect sense. Regards, George On 20 Jul 98 at 10:51, Fred Smoot wrote: > To the list, > > Apologies to you for posting this on the list, but as the questions that > were directed to me, came via this list, I will reply here. Please > consider the "delete" option at any time. > > > George, > > The reply to Eddy G. Clark was sent to the list, because the original > e-mail from Eddy was directed to the list, and also, because any CC who > might offer an answer to my question could do so. > > I had requested from Eddy (and all others) information on the tax > deductibilty of donations to Rootweb. > > I do not have the answer yet, so I will take it to USGENWEB-ALL-L. > > George, you write: > > > In an case, what are you getting at? Are you suggesting we not offer > > assistance to Rootsweb? If so, I can't go along with that suggestions since > > the Lincoln Co TN webpage is on Rootsweb and I feel personally obliged to > > contribute to my benefactor. > > George, I believe that you are reading into my mailing much more than > what was written, so let me make some things "perfectly clear." > > 1. I am not suggesting that you decline to support Rootsweb. Not you, > not anyone. Rootsweb is a godsend to the genealogical community. > > 2. I totally support any persons right to contribute to any charity or > religious institution of their choice, whether or not the institution > has a tax-exempt deduction status. > > 3. I support Eddy's efforts to solicit for Rootsweb, and I personally > have NO problem with the solicitation being done on TNGEN-L. In fact, I > consider Eddy's request commendable in a rather selfish world. > > 4. There are *many* worthy organizations that require support from > charity. Most have filed with the IRS, and have a tax exempt > deductibility status. > > 5. I am sure that I am not the only CC that files income tax returns > where deductions are a consideration. > > 6. It would be fair to state to the CCs in any solicitation effort, the > tax deductibility status of donations to any charity, regardless of > worthiness. > > 7. In the Jewish tradition of charity, the highest level of charity is > the totally anonymous contribution, where the donor is not know. It is > unfortunate that we in this country have come to a point where our > charitable contributions come under the scrutiny of others. > > Fred Smoot > > >>> > > > > > > George Waller wrote: > > > > On 18 Jul 98 at 7:27, Fred Smoot wrote: > > > > > Hi Eddy and all, > > > > > > I need a little more information on this issue. Isn't Rootsweb a > > > privately held company that donates the server space, as opposed to > > > being a "nonprofit" company? > > > > > > I have little problem in sending $12 to rootsweb but I would prefer to > > > send a little more -- *but* have the donation as a tax deduction. > > > > > > I recently read an old archived letter re-sent to USGEN-ALL-L where > > > "rootsweb" claimed it was too costly to become a "nonprofit." > > > > > > Perhaps you can tell me if rootsweb now qualifies under IRS code 501c. > > > > Fred, are you asking this of Eddy or of all of the county volunteers? If the > > latter, I would confess complete ignorance of the IRS code. > > > > In an case, what are you getting at? Are you suggesting we not offer > > assistance to Rootsweb? If so, I can't go along with that suggestions since > > the Lincoln Co TN webpage is on Rootsweb and I feel personally obliged to > > contribute to my benefactor. > > > > George of Lincoln > > > > > Fred Smoot > > > > > > > > > Eddy G. Clark wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > Just had a "neuron spasm" and thought I'd bounce this off the folks on > > > > this list first. Many TNGenWeb counties (if not all of them) benefit > > > > from the free use of Rootsweb resources. The only income of Rootsweb is > > > > donations. What would be wrong if, once a year, say September, we had a > > > > donation drive for Rootsweb. We could ask for volunteered donations of > > > > $1 or $2 to Rootsweb to help provide the on-line genealogical community > > > > with better services and resources. No arm twisting and no name taking. > > > > > > > > This is just an idea so please don't come back and "byte" my head off. > > > > I just figured Tennessee could take the lead in this effort to help out > > > > a great group of folks who help us out. > > > > > > > > Take care everyone, > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Eddy G. Clark > > > > Gibson County Coordinator > > > > TNGenWeb ( http://www.rootsweb.com/~tngibson/ ) > > > > Join TNGibson-L: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tngibson/tngibson_l.htm > > > > > > > > ==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > Be sure to send your updates to this mailing list to be > > > > included on the "What's New" page. > > > > > > > > > ==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > All URL's back to USGenWeb should read: > > > http://www.usgenweb.org > > > -- or -- > > > http://www.usgenweb.net > > >

Yes Rhonda Schurhamer Shelby County, TNGenWeb Coordinator Nancy Cole wrote: > Hi Folks, > > A while back we were talking about non-profit incorporation of our > project. > > Bridgett, Fred Smoot and I have looked at the pros and cons of > incorporating as a non-profit and it appears that from our viewpoints that > it would be a good thing for the project. A couple of points: > > *If you decide to pursue the incorporation, there will be no cost > to you for the filing fees. > > *This question is simply in regard to improving the project > internally and would not affect our relationship with USGenWeb. > > Before we go further we need the opinion of all of you, the County > Coordinators, who are the backbone of the project. So I am asking for a > straw poll. > > We are not asking about preferences for a name or any other details at this > time. It would be inappropriate to address those issues without knowing the > opinions of y'all. The decision will be made by simple majority "of > those responding," so please let us hear your voice. > > Reply - All to this list simply with yes or no if you would like to > pursue non-profit incorporation. The voting period will be one week only. > > Discussions of the pros and cons of the issue should be taken to the > TN-Chat list. Bridgett will subscribe you if you drop her a line. > > Nancy > ncole@coffey.com > > Assistant TNGenweb Coordinator > > ==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > > Be sure to send your updates to this mailing list to be > included on the "What's New" page.

To the list, Apologies to you for posting this on the list, but as the questions that were directed to me, came via this list, I will reply here. Please consider the "delete" option at any time. George, The reply to Eddy G. Clark was sent to the list, because the original e-mail from Eddy was directed to the list, and also, because any CC who might offer an answer to my question could do so. I had requested from Eddy (and all others) information on the tax deductibilty of donations to Rootweb. I do not have the answer yet, so I will take it to USGENWEB-ALL-L. George, you write: > In an case, what are you getting at? Are you suggesting we not offer > assistance to Rootsweb? If so, I can't go along with that suggestions since > the Lincoln Co TN webpage is on Rootsweb and I feel personally obliged to > contribute to my benefactor. George, I believe that you are reading into my mailing much more than what was written, so let me make some things "perfectly clear." 1. I am not suggesting that you decline to support Rootsweb. Not you, not anyone. Rootsweb is a godsend to the genealogical community. 2. I totally support any persons right to contribute to any charity or religious institution of their choice, whether or not the institution has a tax-exempt deduction status. 3. I support Eddy's efforts to solicit for Rootsweb, and I personally have NO problem with the solicitation being done on TNGEN-L. In fact, I consider Eddy's request commendable in a rather selfish world. 4. There are *many* worthy organizations that require support from charity. Most have filed with the IRS, and have a tax exempt deductibility status. 5. I am sure that I am not the only CC that files income tax returns where deductions are a consideration. 6. It would be fair to state to the CCs in any solicitation effort, the tax deductibility status of donations to any charity, regardless of worthiness. 7. In the Jewish tradition of charity, the highest level of charity is the totally anonymous contribution, where the donor is not know. It is unfortunate that we in this country have come to a point where our charitable contributions come under the scrutiny of others. Fred Smoot >>> George Waller wrote: > > On 18 Jul 98 at 7:27, Fred Smoot wrote: > > > Hi Eddy and all, > > > > I need a little more information on this issue. Isn't Rootsweb a > > privately held company that donates the server space, as opposed to > > being a "nonprofit" company? > > > > I have little problem in sending $12 to rootsweb but I would prefer to > > send a little more -- *but* have the donation as a tax deduction. > > > > I recently read an old archived letter re-sent to USGEN-ALL-L where > > "rootsweb" claimed it was too costly to become a "nonprofit." > > > > Perhaps you can tell me if rootsweb now qualifies under IRS code 501c. > > Fred, are you asking this of Eddy or of all of the county volunteers? If the > latter, I would confess complete ignorance of the IRS code. > > In an case, what are you getting at? Are you suggesting we not offer > assistance to Rootsweb? If so, I can't go along with that suggestions since > the Lincoln Co TN webpage is on Rootsweb and I feel personally obliged to > contribute to my benefactor. > > George of Lincoln > > > Fred Smoot > > > > > > Eddy G. Clark wrote: > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > Just had a "neuron spasm" and thought I'd bounce this off the folks on > > > this list first. Many TNGenWeb counties (if not all of them) benefit > > > from the free use of Rootsweb resources. The only income of Rootsweb is > > > donations. What would be wrong if, once a year, say September, we had a > > > donation drive for Rootsweb. We could ask for volunteered donations of > > > $1 or $2 to Rootsweb to help provide the on-line genealogical community > > > with better services and resources. No arm twisting and no name taking. > > > > > > This is just an idea so please don't come back and "byte" my head off. > > > I just figured Tennessee could take the lead in this effort to help out > > > a great group of folks who help us out. > > > > > > Take care everyone, > > > > > > -- > > > Eddy G. Clark > > > Gibson County Coordinator > > > TNGenWeb ( http://www.rootsweb.com/~tngibson/ ) > > > Join TNGibson-L: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tngibson/tngibson_l.htm > > > > > > ==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Be sure to send your updates to this mailing list to be > > > included on the "What's New" page. > > > > > > ==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > All URL's back to USGenWeb should read: > > http://www.usgenweb.org > > -- or -- > > http://www.usgenweb.net > >